The Love Life Mission: Spreading the Gospel in the Battle Against Abortion

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Evangelism and the Mission of Love Life

We are here to give you biblical interpretations and applications for the Christian life, and a major part of Christian life is, well, one would be evangelism. That's something that all of us should be doing.

But a more specific type of evangelism is reaching out to women who are considering the horror of abortion and trying to help them see that the child in their womb is a child and it's also a valued life that we hope would come to receive Christ along with the mother.

And so what we're going to talk about is a ministry known as Love Life with a friend of mine who, we go way back, we'll talk about that at the beginning before we get into the ministry. But Brian, welcome to The Wrap Report.

It's awesome to be here, brother. Good to see you.

So for folks who don't know you, first introduce yourself and then we can reminisce for a bit.

Yeah. So my name is Brian Oettinger and 47 years old, born again at 32, and about a year or two after I was born again, got involved in some evangelism efforts. I know you told me to hold off on that, but that's how we, that's how our lives intersected.

And through the Sports Fan Outreach International and yeah, just early on, got discipled by guys who had a high emphasis on evangelism. They told me that's just what Christians do. And so I just read the Bible and agreed with them and started evangelizing and eventually by God's grace, the Lord led me to start a church, was a pastor of a church for 10 years here in Charlotte, North Carolina, of course, married to my wife, Carolina.

We have five sons, three oldest are serving in the Navy. So we appreciate your prayers for them and for us, especially as the holidays are approaching. We always miss them. And after about 10 years of pastoring and I'm getting involved with this ministry in Charlotte called Love Life, and I'm sure we'll talk more about that.

But I've been with Love Life for about six years now. I serve as the director of expansion and also oversee the Northeast region. So Chicago, New York City, Central PA, and Detroit, and soon to be DC, help provide like pastoral and just oversight to those areas to help them activate churches, to save babies' lives and to help disciple moms and dads into the kingdom of God.

Yeah.

And you're right. We met, let's not talk about how long ago that was, because then we really feel old because I'm about 10 years older than you.

Uh-oh.

But yeah, no, we met really doing outreach, doing evangelism. And then I remember when you planted the church and just busyness of life, you know, we just kind of, you got busy with the church and then with this ministry and it's, we kind of didn't talk for just several years, not because anything happened, but it was great to just be able to reconnect.

Before we started recording, just reminiscing of different days, we're like, oh yeah, remember? So it's something...

The good old days.

Yeah.

Well, and we think of them as good old days, but we always forget. I mean, this is the one thing when people look back, they often forget the bad times. Like it was interesting, many years ago, I was talking to friends that they would talk about our first church that we all had come from, and then we had all gone into different churches and we talked, you know, they were all talking about the good old days, right?

And I went, do you remember like this that went on and that went, like, and they're like, I don't remember that, like all the bad stuff they forgot about.

Yeah.

And I'm like, and there was a couple of them were struggling to find a church. And I'm like, you know, maybe, just maybe the reason you're struggling to find a church to be a member of is you're comparing it to a church that never actually existed.

You remember the good old days and you forgot all the bad times, and now you want some church that matches what never actually existed.

Yeah.

And one of the persons was like, you know, I think you're right. I think the church I'm going to now is actually pretty good, but I kept comparing it and it wasn't what I thought was good.

Yeah.

You're right.

I forgot about all those things. And so.

That's a good word, man.

Yeah.

It's something we always have to keep in mind. So what got you into the ministry at Love Life? How did you first hear about it?

Love Life, Prayer Walks, and the Testimony That Changed Everything

Yeah. Thanks for the question. And just to back up a little bit, I did see you at G3 a couple of years ago.

Yeah.

And, you know, so there was that little, there was that touch point.

It's more than a couple, right? Because that was, that would have had to been pre -COVID, I think.

I don't know.

I went to a couple of them, man. But anyways, nonetheless.

Yeah.

So Love Life. So I was pastoring here in Charlotte, North Carolina, and I had done some abortion center ministry, primarily like preaching at abortion centers. I had some friends bring me out to do that.

And when I first heard about Love Life, I was pretty skeptical, to be honest with you, because I heard they were doing prayer walks at the abortion center. And I wasn't really familiar with even the concept of prayer walks.

I thought it was a little bit fluky, to be honest with you. Is like, what good does it do to walk and pray? And, you know, can't people go do something more than that? And, but these guys in my church, they kept coming to these prayer walks in Charlotte, and they kept telling me, pastor, we think you'd really love this.

I mean, it's gospel centered. It's right up your alley. It's, you know, it's prophetic and that engages the culture. I think you'd really, you'd really enjoy it. So finally, I took them up on the offer to come to this prayer walk.

And the way Love Life works is churches will adopt a week. And so what the pastor will do is he'll preach a message on life on Sunday. Then the church will fast and pray collectively together on Wednesday.

And then Saturday, the entire church will come to the abortion center for a peaceful time of prayer and worship. And then from that, people can get engaged beyond the prayer walk through, you know, sidewalk outreach, foster care and adoption, becoming a mentor to the moms and dad to choose life, or they can get plugged into what we call restored life.

It's a ministry for those who have abortion in their past to receive healing. And so that's called an adoption week. And so that happens for 40 weeks out of the year, Andrew, but the last week it's called celebrate life.

All the churches come back together for this, this massive prayer walk. And so the guys in my church invited me to this massive prayer walk. And my skeptical radar was already pretty high. And so I show up to the abortion center that I've been at to several times.

And usually when you go to the abortion center, man, you'll first off, no one wants to go.

There.

It's a dark place. It's nasty, man. Children are dying. People are hard hearted. It's just not a fun place to be. And there's usually very little Christians out there. I mean, most abortion centers, there's none or maybe one or two.

And so I show up to the celebrate life prayer walk back in 2016 and brother, there was literally thousands of Christians standing outside. And so I went from being a guy who was super skeptical to a guy who was super, super skeptical because usually for me, I don't know about you, but if something seems too good to be true, it usually is.

And so the fact that there was thousands of Christians at the abortion center for me was there's got to be something ecumenical about this. Maybe they watered down the gospel. There's no gospel at all.

And I get to this prayer walk and from the stage, I'm hearing them proclaim Jesus Christ and him crucified. I'm hearing them say that this scourge of abortion is only going to end when the church says so.

That this has to be led through the local church and pastors, and it must be a gospel witness. And I'm like sitting here thinking like, wow, this is really checking all the boxes. But there's one particular part of the prayer walk where someone got on stage and this woman said, hey, if you're here today and you have abortion in your personal past, we want to let you know that abortion is not the unforgivable sin.

God promises to heal any of those that will forsake their sin and turn to him. And this was, again, back in 2016. So my 22-year-old son, who was about 12 at the time, he looks at me in this moment and he says, hey, dad, do you have abortion in your past?

And brother, I just broke down and I began weeping. And the reality was prior to becoming a Christian, I have at least one abortion, if not several. I led a pretty promiscuous lifestyle. And so abortion was something that, for me, was a fix to a problem prior to Christ.

And so when he asked me this question, I began weeping, and he grabs me and he starts weeping with me. Now, I had just graduated seminary. I understood justification by faith. I understood I was declared righteous.

God remembers my sin as far as the East is from the West. But yet I could not understand what the heck is happening. I'm broken inside. And the reality was up until that point, I don't recall ever hearing a pastor or anyone offer forgiveness for abortion.

Obviously, I heard that it was preached against. It was wrong. It was murder. It was a sin. But I don't remember. Now, somebody may have to their credit, but I just don't remember ever hearing that there was forgiveness for abortion.

And so God used that moment to send me on a path where I got plugged into Love Life's ministry called Restored Life. And I actually went through a Bible-based study for men that have abortion in their.

Past.

And I just want to pause there for all the listeners. A lot of times we think about the issue of abortion, the issue of life, and rightfully so, we highlight the women, right? Because they're the one carrying the child.

But we forget that it takes two to tango, right? It takes two to make a baby. And so for every woman involved in abortion, there's also a man. And so for every man that's in the valley of decision, considering choosing life, there's also a man who's on the tail end of a mom who may have chosen abortion, and he's now post-abortive himself.

So I got involved with that. Our church got involved. People in our church started coming out, doing sidewalk ministry. People volunteering at the prayer walks. We ended up discipling a mom who chose life in our church.

And it became really kind of all-encompassing as a church that sought to live on mission. Love Life really provided a vehicle that my entire church could get involved. And eventually in 2020, Love Life started in 2016.

In 2018, Love Life expanded into Raleigh and Greensboro. And then in 2019, New York City, whenever they had that quote-unquote reproductive health act where they allowed abortion up to birth. You remember Chuck Schumer and Pelosi and all these people lit the Empire State Building pink, and they all celebrated that babies could be aborted up to death.

What we expanded, Love Life expanded in New York City in that year. And then in 2020, there was this thing that happened in America called COVID. And it was this really weird phenomenon where, yeah, it's a weird phenomenon.

What is that?

COVID?

Yeah, I'll tell you about it. It's a strange thing where people wore these ineffective cloths on their face, and they were mandated to stay indoors. And the pastors in our city said, listen, that's abortion.

The churches were closed, but abortion clinics were open.

Oh, yeah, 100%. So the pastors in our city said, listen, if abortion is considered essential healthcare, then the church is going to be the essential solution offering the hope of the gospel to these moms and these dads.

And so we had pastors in our city that continued to do the ministry of Love Life, and they ended up getting arrested. And someone was recording that video. And actually, it was a senator in Texas retweeted that video.

And it had a couple hundred thousand views in like 24 hours or whatever. And what happened was people in the church were saying, listen, if people can throw bricks through windows of banks and libraries in our city, declaring the injustice that was done through Black Lives Matter and et cetera, et cetera, then we, the church, should be able to stand peacefully offering the hope of the gospel and help a church to moms and dads in need, calling them to save their babies.

And so what that viral moment created was an opportunity, honestly, me for employment. People all across the nation reached out to us here in Charlotte and said, we want to do Love Life in our city. And then because of my relationship with the guys at Love Life, they reached out to me and said, hey, would you consider becoming our Director of Expansion?

And that was back in 2020. And we've now grown from then in four cities to launching our 27th city. Our three newest cities is Seattle, Washington, and San Diego, California, and soon to be launching Washington, D .C.

Mobilizing Churches to Save Babies and Disciple Families

Yeah, I mean, you guys, Love Life, by the way, folks, it's lovelife .org if you want to check them out. They have reached out to over a quarter of a million Christians to mobilize to address the evil of abortion.

They have over 1 ,500 partnering churches, over 7 ,000 babies whose lives were probably saved because of the work that they're doing. And the one I like the most is that they at least claim over 1 ,000 professions of faith,.

Right?

We don't know someone's heart. But the fact is, is that, you know, how many churches are really being active in evangelism? This is why I've always been part of a crisis pregnancy center or abortion ministry, is that taking something that the world praises as good, that we know according to the Bible is evil, but taking someone who is at a time where they are considering murder as a solution to a problem and justifying it, that's the person.

Take someone in that state and share the gospel with them.

Yeah.

That's where you have lives changed. You know, I remember when I was going on the board of directors of a crisis pregnancy center, and they ask, you know, how many baby's lives have you saved? I have no idea because I've shared the gospel with so many.

I have no idea who might have gotten saved and didn't have sex outside of marriage or kept the baby because they heard the gospel. But something you said, and this is the thing that I think is so, it's hard for many is to realize that the solution to abortion, yes, it's a legal thing.

Yes, the politicians are the ones that would outlaw it. It should outlaw it. It should never have been made legal. But, and I mean, technically it never was legal. It was something that just nine men in robes decided, you know, misabuse the privacy laws of the 14th amendment.

But the thing is, is that the real solution to this horror is the gospel.

That's right.

Because the more people that hear the gospel, the more they're going to know what they're doing is wrong. The more people that get saved, they're not going to be having sex outside of marriage. They're not going to be looking at abortion as a solution to what they think is a problem.

And this is why I think so many of us need to be, and I'm not one of these people that says everyone needs to do this, right? Because as a pastor, Brian, I'm sure you understand this, but as a pastor, it's like, that's always a frustrating thing is when people get into a ministry and it's like, everyone in the church should be doing this.

You know, I had a guy that was like, everyone in the church should be doing prison ministry. And another person that thought everyone in the church should be, you know, getting involved in creation evangelism, and we're the master of evangelism.

And it's like, everyone's not going to do all of it, but some of us will do some of it as long as we're all doing something in the confines of the church, don't go outside the church. And that's a thing that I think a lot of people think, well, I can't do this.

What would I be able to do? Love Life has some opportunities for people where if they do want to reach out, they can serve, they can help. What are some things, what's like the mission of Love Life? How can people get involved?

What is it you guys do there?

Man, well, I love the way you're talking, brother, and it's so wise and it's so balanced. And one thing that we do, and it's sort of a trick question, but I'll ask every listener who's listening here, is raise your hand if you can't pray, right?

If you can't pray?

If you can't, if you cannot pray. So if you're a Christian, like prayer is part of what we do. God commands us to pray. So it's a trick question, meaning we can all pray, right? Maybe not everyone's called to be on the sidewalks.

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Maybe not everyone's called to mentor that mom and dad. Maybe everyone's not called to give financially, but every single person can pray. And so I would say that is not just a Christian platitude like, oh man, you know, missionaries kind of, you know, they're going to ask you for giving, and they always kind of put their head down and they're like, we're asking for your prayer.

And then we want you to give. Like, we want people to give, pray, and we want people to serve. But listen, we really believe in the power of God through prayer. We, we like we actually do. And brother, I'm going to confess to you and to all our listeners right now, that when I first heard about this ministry, I did not fully believe in the power of prayer.

I didn't, um, when I first heard that love life was outside the abortion centers, getting people to pray, my response was, that's it. And someone asked me the question, they said, well, don't you believe in the power of God.

Through prayer?

And I, I, I meditated and I contemplated on that question. I said, you know what?

I don't.

Because for me, it's like, what am I doing? I got to go out and proclaim this. I got to go share this or do that. And I'm telling you, love life has really helped disciple me in not only the power of prayer, but also fasting.

You know, I come from the Baptist world. We're good at feasting brother, but we're not good at fasting. So, so everyone can pray. Everyone can fast. And actually, if anyone's listening to this and would like to, um, get on a weekly prayer call at every noon, every, excuse me, every Wednesday at noon, uh, we have a zoom call and brother happy to have you come on as well.

And, uh, we really pray the same points every week. We pray for moms and dads. We pray for babies. We pray for all those involved in abortion. We pray for government leaders, church unity, and really the end to abortion.

And, um, and we just believe, you know, specific prayers get specific results. And so everyone can pray, everyone can pray. So, so yeah, reach out to me, Brian at love life .org. Love to get you plugged into our prayer call.

I actually have a prayer newsletter for my expansion efforts. I would love people to pray for me specifically, but yeah, if, if you're near one of our 27 cities, there are many ways you can get involved to serve.

You can help at the prayer walk, but set up and tear down. You can become a sidewalk counselor. We'll train you how to share the truth in love to help save babies. Um, you can become a mentor to help disciple a mom or dad.

Um, and if, if you're in a city where love life doesn't exist, or if you're in a city where love life exists, we want your church to become a house of refuge church, a house of refuge church, uh, is just really a church saying, Hey, instead of running to the abortion center, you can come here.

Like we're going to help you. It doesn't mean that person will be saved. It doesn't mean that person's going to totally understand how to walk with Jesus, but everybody in the church is going to do their best to help them from, keep them to keep them from having the abortion.

They're going to throw them a baby shower. They're going to love that person. They're going to show them the tangible love of Christ. They're going to teach them the word of God, and they're going to call them to repentance by proclaiming the gospel.

And so those are some ways, um, there's other, obviously you can give to, you know, um, I know you do commercials on your podcast. I mean, here's a little commercial. You can give to my expansion team.

Like we need help, you know, getting love life going across the nation. It costs money to do ministry. We always say, God doesn't need your money, but we do. And so, yeah, if you, if you want to give to a worthy cause, man, please.

I mean, 7 ,000 babies saved in the past 10 years. We always say, we always say that we know of.

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These are moms that have given us thumbs up. They've told us, Hey, we've chosen life, but we find out many years after the fact moms will come up to us with a baby in the back seat and say, Hey, I want to thank you guys.

I came here three years ago because you guys were standing here with a sign. I took it as a sign that I wasn't supposed to kill my child. And here's little so-and-so in the back seat. And there's many times we heard a story of the day was like a baby that got saved 10 years ago that we never knew about.

I mean, this is amazing stuff. Yeah, but, but, but many of these children we do know about, right. I've got to hold these children. We've got to talk with them. One child that got saved from abortion was, was dancing on stage as we were doing a prayer walk, leading worship, little baby Nazi.

It was amazing. So, um, yeah, they can, you can give, you can pray, you can serve. We want to equip you, right. We want to help pastors be equipped. We want to help pastors speak prophetically, biblically, redemptively, compassionately, intentionally about the issue of life.

And if you notice Andrew, the way I talk about abortion, it's, it's sort of like we kind of highlight life more than death, you know, of course, abortions of sin it's murder. It's, it's, it's, it's horrific, but like our focus as a ministry primarily is on life.

Life Over Death, and Why the Heart Behind the Ministry Matters

Yeah.

Because abortion is a, it's a horrible motivator. It's a horrible sustainer also as well. Like if abortion is your primary motivation for being involved in abortion ministry, man, you're going, you're going to kind of fade away quick or you're going to be angry.

But if Jesus and his life and his love is your primary motivator, man, that'll keep you. Because this is the ministry of rejection, brother. We go out there, we may see a hundred moms come to the abortion center and maybe one chooses life.

That's a pretty bad ratio. That's worse than baseball. You know, baseball, if you hit, if you hit two 60, you're a good batter in modern day baseball. Like we're batting like 10 or one, you know what I mean?

We're batting pretty bad, but our focus isn't on necessarily the results. Our focus is primarily on the faithfulness unto our God who is great.

You know, you, you brought up a point that I hadn't really thought of till you said it so much, but there is an element where when, when people go out and they focus on the abortion, they focus on the death, the anger that comes out of that because of the fact that you're seeing people do this horrible thing.

If you're not focused on, on God and on life, it ends up being, well, you know, what am.

I doing?

Like I got to do more, right? Or you get angry at what the actions they're taking. So I, I, it's a really good point because the motivation, the, the, what, why we're doing what we're doing has a big difference on how we do it and the outcome of it.

And so, cause there, there's a lot of people who I've seen who, who are out doing, whether it be abortion ministry or other things, and they start to turn angry. And I hadn't really thought about that till you said it.

And I was like, you know, I, I do know those types. And when I'd see them, it's, you're right. Their focus was on, I'm telling you something and you should change based on what I'm saying. You know?

And yeah, I'll just share this. I mean, that was me, you know, like, like, and let me just be a hundred percent real. We should be angry about abortion.

Yes.

Like, like we, the Bible says hate what's evil, like is evil. It's the shedding of innocent blood. Innocent human beings are being ripped apart limb from limb. Like there, there's not a lot of things that are worse that I can think of that's going on in 2025, 2026, we should be angry about it.

But, but the issue is if, if, if the anger is our primary motivation, like, dude, I'm not going to want to keep going out there because I don't want to be angry all the time.

Yes.

But when Jesus is so, so that what, one of the statements we say is that we are not primarily motivated by the sin of abortion, abortion, but we are motivated by the love of Christ. We are not primarily motivated by the sin of abortion, but motivated by the love of Christ.

You know, people might think, you know, just trying to think for people who haven't done abortion ministry, they haven't been out at a, what I refer to as a murder mill, right? I don't like to refer to it as abortion because it's, that actually softens it.

It's murder. But a lot of people have a negative view of it. They, they've seen the people who, they either see the Roman Catholics who are doing nothing but playing, praying a rosary outside and not talking to anybody, or they're seeing people who are just yelling and screaming at their, their, you know, death squirts as, as someone heard someone call them that, you know, they, because of what they've done, if you haven't been out there a lot of times, they will get volunteers that volunteer their time to escort ladies across the people that are doing evangelism or trying to get them to think about what they're doing, give them other information.

And so they get people to, you know, I've been at some where, where these death squirts are, you know, they'll have like a big umbrella to, to, to hide the, the person as they're walking them in, they're playing music, they're doing so, so you, so the women can't hear.

And you sit there and you think about that. And sometimes you get people that you see the videos of people being contentious and yelling at each other. And so a lot of people, Brian, may think, well, that's, that's not something I want to do.

I want to be involved in that. How, how would this be different than either of those two scenarios that the Roman Catholics who are doing nothing but playing a, praying a rosary, and those that are just yelling and screaming to, to, you know,.

Calling people names? Yeah. I mean, so it's, it's a great question and I'm, I'm telling you, like, I've been doing this for six years and it took me a couple years of being at Love Life before the light bulb finally went off of what I just shared with you that were primarily motivated by the love of Christ, not primarily by the hatred of abortion.

And it's such a game changer. And so it looks different. It feels different, right? When you go to an abortion center and, and, and you're a Christian and you experience people who are angry, like you feel the anger, you know?

And like, in, in general, like, I don't want to keep coming back to that. Like, that's just, it's just not the kind of place I want to be. But when you go to a place and you feel the love of God, like His words being proclaimed, people are praying, people are worshiping, it's like, man, there's something about that that like, it kind of changes the atmosphere.

Like, it just feels, it just feels different. And one story we had here in Charlotte, we had, there was a prayer walk going on where there was a few hundred people. When people go to Love Life, they wear these blue prayer walk t-shirts.

And it's kind of this coral blue. And in front of it says, We Love Life. And the abortion center manager in Charlotte, her name was Kawana. And she ended up quitting, she ended up leaving the industry.

Let me, let me back up a little bit before I get to why she left. But basically, her, her niece came to the abortion center for an abortion. And one of our sidewalk counselors intercepted Kawana's niece.

And they took her to the mobile ultrasound unit, she chose life, she ends up professing faith in Christ, she gets a baby shower thrown for her in the church. This church throws her this massive baby shower, brother, I'm talking about like, like, an obscene amount of gifts.

It was like, I mean, they rolled out the red carpet, gifts, gifts from wall to wall. And guess who shows up at the baby shower? Her aunt Kawana, who is the abortion center manager, and she goes to this church.

And she sees her niece being showered with love. And she's like, Who are these people? Who are these people throwing the shower? And her niece tells her, these are the people that stand outside your abortion center.

Oh, these are the people that are that you're that you're flipping off every day kind of thing. And so what does Kawana do when Kawana goes back to work, girls would come into the waiting room, some girls are on the fence, you know, like crying, and Kawana would start pointing the girls out to us saying, Hey, you need to go talk to those people, they'll help you.

And so eventually, after a couple months of doing that, during one of our prayer walks, she walks out and leaves and quits her job at during the prayer walk. And she said, one of the reasons why she said, I looked out the window and I saw what looked like, it looked like heaven.

She said, it looked like heaven invaded the sidewalk. All right, these blue shirts, these people out there singing, you know, good Christian hymns and Christian songs. And anyways, that it just looks different, right?

And that I'm just telling you, that's not my strategy, Andrew, like, I'm not that guy. Like, I'm the guy out there who was probably the guy you described earlier, a little angry, you know, sometimes getting in the flesh a little bit, because, you know, I hate abortion.

And so we just try to create an environment where people can come to. And then from there, we do want to raise up people to stand out there and proclaim truth. We do want people to preach the gospel. We do want people to offer resources to moms and dads.

And so we offer that training, but that's not all we do, right? And so what happens is a lot of the church will misrepresent our sidewalk counselors. Like, oh, those people are just a bunch of angry guys out there yelling, you know?

And then when they get out there, they see like, hey, someone needs to be out there heralding the message. Like, it's good for there to be a but the herald needs to be doing it in love. So I don't know if that answered your question.

That was a long answer.

No, but it's good because there is the reality that a lot of people have to realize that there's other ways of doing this. I mean, you mentioned even just be able to go and pray. When I used to do open air, I had people, my bride would be one that didn't like talking to people, didn't like handing out tracts, was nervous with it.