An Almost Radio Free Geneva Before Another Road Trip

Well greetings and welcome to the dividing line you almost put the screen up there I saw that it just there's this little little flash where I saw my my menu bar, you know down there at the bottom that's because we've got some videos to play today and on the program last

Program here in the studio for a number of weeks about three weeks actually We've got a busy trip coming up pray for safety

I'm I think I'm chasing this ice storm across the country

So I'm gonna be following it which means I you know, I'm gonna have to be careful there. There still could be ice

There's it's gonna be cold Especially in the mornings. Um, I might want to Move my schedule back make sure that I leave

Most RV parks. Hey, you always want this information now, you're gonna find out most RV parks.

The checkout time is 11 a .m So you you got to be out of your spot by and They they're they're almost never

I've never had him if I was a little bit late come bother me or anything like that And in fact a few times

I've called up. Don't worry 12 12 30. That doesn't matter us. We're fine. So anyway, um,

I'll probably need to move all that back and Travel during the days the warmer part of the days

There's those first few days because I'm basically chasing this ice storm across I 10 and I 20 and So, yeah,

I don't I don't like ice And I don't like other vehicles that go flying by me a lot of these guys and these trucks think they're you know, they're frustrated

Formula One drivers and Even especially in construction zones.

Oh, man They they just love to show you how they know exactly how wide their truck is by just about taking your mirrors off When I'm pulling my mirrors in I'm feeling pretty squished there's no twist about it anyway, we're heading to Dallas and I talked with Josh Ricciotti this morning and we talked about what we're going to talk about on Thursday night there

So a week from this evening We will we got all the stuff up on the on the website he and I will be having our dialogue and Hopefully you can attend if you're in the area, it's the flower mound,

Texas Not sure how you get a name like flower mound, but there you go And then the presentation on Islam At the church on Friday Saturday and preaching on Sunday They keep asking me what

I'm gonna be preaching on and I'm like I'm not a Presbyterian. I don't plan those things out that long.

Um I'll figure it out before we get there. No, it's true. It's true. I mean Presbyterians man, they plan everything out, you know

Way ahead of time and I'm like, I don't know and then of course the next week is the debate with Dustin Smith on Does the

Bible teach Trinity I could tell you right now exactly what both of us are gonna say

I really can But anyway and the other debates all the debates we went over last time

That'll be coming up then and then down to the Baton Rouge area at Salem Reformed Baptist Church Brian Gunter and Then back from there and I need to oh man,

I need to I Need to respond I need to put this right on my screen so I can respond to this

Jeremy brother. No, I'm not gonna be able to At one point in time

Jeremy hasty talked to me about stopping at their place on the way back for some reason was a

Tuesday and Not only did I not remember It would totally mess up there the trip back as far as reservations and our reservations here and stuff like that So I'll I will

I'm sorry, bro. That's not gonna that's not gonna work out this trip, but Definitely be through there again in the future and you know, we've been there numerous times

Just couldn't fit it in this time. We did talk about it. And I when I made the reservations it was like totally totally gone

And when things across my mind I go ahead and mention it because he generally listens to the program anyways So I may get a text from going.

I heard you don't worry about it. It's alright He's I hope that's what he says otherwise could be I'm never gonna talk to you again,

I'm becoming a Buddhist, you know That'll get you Diss me again So anyway

Have a few interesting things here. I want to Let me get two things out of the way and then we'll sort of radio free

Geneva it a little bit Not with the theme song because that's what everybody loves

But I don't spend a lot of time on this guy because he's one of these guys

There there are there are people they They finish their degree and they honestly believe they're just smarter than the entire world

And You can accuse me of that all you want my record shows exact opposite of that.

I mean Yeah, I've engaged a lot of topics you know someone who does dialogue with Yasir Qadhi or debates

Shabir Ali in South Africa or Does a thing on justification with NT Wright in in London?

Does stuff on textual criticism church history? Peace oppositional apologetics deals with atheism.

Yeah, okay I'm dealing with a wide variety of stuff, but I'm constantly talking about people who know a whole lot more than I do

Um, so especially when to talk you talk about a specific specialized area

I realize I I get into certain areas pretty deeply But I'm dealing with a wide variety of stuff and there's a bunch of folks

I know in a particular area They don't know anything about this area this area this area this area this area

Here they know a whole lot more than I do and I recognize that I use those sources.

I give credit where credit's due. I'm just not one of those people that goes I know everything there's about everything.

It's not true So but I know these people and you you can recognize them online where they they really

They haven't done a whole lot but they claim to have almost infinite knowledge and One of these guys that just strikes me is really lacking in Humility basically is

Dan McClellan and I have a lot of friends who again These are the my friends who really are deep in these areas that will mention him to me and say man

I can't believe he said this can't believe he said that people responded to him. We've responded to him in various things you know, he makes comments about the

LGBTQ movement and and He's supposed to be LDS, but Man, that just doesn't mean much anymore.

I mean it really doesn't I'm gonna have to see if Aaron would find the time to come on the program and Talk about the stuff that he's

I had a call yesterday on iron sharpens iron. I was on I was on iron sharpens iron with Chris Arnton and It wasn't a call it was a an email email question

And I could just tell From the way the question was phrased that this

Christian had run into a new Mormon Not a new

Mormon as in a new convert but a follower of new Mormonism, which is a whole new thing and Given the phraseology.

I think the question he was asking was about Blake Osler and Blake Osler's Non -mormon

Mormonism because that's what it is. I Mean if the Mormon Church for a hundred and fifty years

The temple ceremonies the preaching thousands and thousands of sermons by people who claim to be apostles of Jesus Christ teaching the same core of Plurality of God's exaltation of Godhood the

King Follett funeral discourse that the sermon in the grove And then the the temple ceremonies the the celestial room

What is taught what was taught in the full ceremony before it got smaller and smaller and smaller That Hugh Nibley thought was divine revelation was really hacked when they cut it down from 90 minutes to like 60 minutes

Back in the what was that? Early 90s somewhere around there in 93. Was that one? It was anyway

Um Yet as it may If that was

Mormonism, then what Blake Osler is presenting isn't Mormonism by any stretch of the imagination and yet I've said

How many times have I said on this program? The leadership of the Mormon Church has become so decrepit so old so out of touch

That that movement is just waiting for a charismatic prophet guy to come along and split it into a thousand pieces and Get Garner for himself a tremendous number of followers now,

I'm not saying that's Blake Osler but the speed with which people are willing to grab on to a fundamental shift and change in the central core theology of the

Mormon Church is Should be and I imagine is

Terrifying for the current leadership at least a leadership that's young enough to still be thinking straight Most of leadership too old to really know what's going on.

Anyways So Yeah, is Dan McClellan part of the new

Mormonism? I I don't I don't know But he's certainly not under the authority of the

General Authorities, I mean these are the types of people who think that they're just smarter than the actual leaders of the religion that they associate themselves with and You know you get

Roman Catholics like that you get people like that all over the place they they pop up so there's this this

Quote from what yesterday two days ago from Dan McClellan And the reason

I didn't see this is he's blocked me. I Don't even remember honestly Having ever said much to him at all if I've responded to anything

I don't know. This is what you call a preemptive substance block. I block people every day

If you say stupid things to me if you're abusive if you insult me

If you post stupid memes that demonstrate you have the IQ. Well, I'm not gonna talk about IQ That's not a good thing to talk about right now

That demonstrate that you have the mental maturity of a fourth grade fourth grader

I'm blocking you. I have no interest in Your stuff being in any of my threads.

That's why X is not nearly as much of a dumpster fire for me as It is for a lot of people

Because I think between my ban list and my mute list. I'm probably around 2 ,500 people 2 ,500 so if you if you've been

Sending X posts to me for the past three years and you know, you're just about to jump off a cliff in depression

You're blocked, dude So anyway,

I didn't see this and I saw somebody else commenting on it and So I I had to grab this by screenshot because like I said, um, he blocked me and so it's different I'm not doing

Substance blocks. I'm not I'm not going. Ooh this guy man. I can't answer his guys this guy's stuff

So I'm just gonna block him. No, it's are you just a complete? nasty nasty bird

But he's blocked me So Dan McClellan says that's not remotely the overall thesis the

Gospel of John the author Repeatedly denies Jesus is God now

When someone looks when you look at something like that We default naturally and look at that 266

K views We default naturally to Jehovah's Witnesses Unitarians Whatever else it might be so the problem is

McClellan has Multiple videos where he gives his own unique views and you've got to spend all this time where he's trying to Mormon eyes church history and completely redefine monotheism and What it means to be the creator and all this kind of kind of stuff to make it fit into some

Unique thing that Allows him to have followers basically and I just don't have any interest in it.

I just don't see him making that He's not making that much of a splash. So Leave it to other other people.

There's got to be got to be folks that have a real interest in dealing with What what he's saying,

I mean when there's specific things sure why not for so for example this When when someone says the author repeatedly denies

Jesus is God, but Well, you took it down How do you respond that well you have to respond to that within the context of the intention of John's gospel and John's gospel has to be interpreted

Within the context of the continuity of Scripture and McClellan does not believe in a continuity of Scripture There is no

Continuity there is no consistency He takes a very progressive

We used to call it liberal. I don't like liberal that that's it got overused and doesn't necessarily communicate a whole lot anymore

But the idea that Scripture is consistent with itself Once you encounter someone that denies that you really have to ask yourself the question is it worth my investment to The mass amount of time it's going to take to try to work through foundational issues here in regards to the nature of divine revelation the very possibility of divine revelation

That really is something you have to think about because A large portion of the interaction online

Doesn't even get down that level doesn't address these things and As such will never accomplish anything.

It's just verbiage. It's just excess keystrokes flying through Through the

Internet never to accomplish anything because there's no communication happen So How could someone when when

Bart Ehrman is Willing to say that of the four Gospels John is the one that's clearly presenting

Jesus as divine He's to he's defining divinity for himself

In a way, it's different from his perspective is different than Matthew Mark and Luke because there is no consistency for him either

What's McClellan mean by By saying denies Jesus is

God, I mean when you when you have John 2028 When you have the

I am sayings repeated throughout the gospel When you have the prologue and yeah, he's got videos on the prologue

So do I so what? Everybody's got videos on the prologue The question is who interprets the prologue in the context of the gospel of John in a consistent manner with the entirety of Scripture These guys

Abandoned that to start with they mock the idea that you should interpret the prologue of John with any thought whatsoever of Anything else in Scripture as if John exists in a vacuum

John did not intend his book to be read in a vacuum The the

New Testament books are meant to be read in the context of the continuing unfolding of redemption history that starts with Moses and That includes the monotheism of Moses.

Yes. Moses was a monotheist. Oh, but he talks about God's read all of it Well, we don't have to read all that because it's actually been it

You know You got the Yahweh source and the Elohim source of the Deuteronomy source and the priestly source and they've got different views you see why?

What you get taught in Bible college Leaves you utterly incapable of dealing with Christian apologetics

Because you've been basically told you don't have a foundation to stand on all you can do is you get to pick what

Current authors you like best Cobble something together and that's all you've got and if the cultist is doing the same thing

What are you gonna do? You're gonna accomplish nothing. You've got no foundation to stand on so you have a

Broad and deep testimony the deity of Christ in the gospel of John when you allow the gospel of John to be one of four

Gospels as part of the New Testament which is the Continuation of the revelation of God that was in the

Old Testament and as soon as you say all that You've just denied the Gnostics. You've decided the

Martianites which were of course Just a subgroup you you've gotten rid of all the people who have extra revelation in other books and prophets and all that stuff and so McClellan is a waste of time in the sense of all the

Wild baggage that you have to deal with To even get down to defining what on earth he's talking about But Still you're still left going.

How can someone read them? It's because you're redefining what God is Now if you're a dynamic monarchy then if you're a

Modalist of some sort, you know, the author repeatedly dies Jesus God Well, if you're identifying God as the father only in a

Unitarian sense, then that's true The author does distinguish between the father and son even when it says

I and the father we are one plural verb We are one. It's not identifying

Jesus the father so if if you want to be able to Distinguish between the father and the son and John is a great place to go.

We've we've handled that for years John 17 3 through 5 clear differentiation between the father and son with the clear emphasis upon the fact that the son has eternally existed as God in the presence of the father

So no confusion. No, no confusing of the two and if that's what he's saying

But That's not saying enough and this is gonna be one of my main points in Dallas in a couple weeks is

That Dustin Smith is gonna say a lot of true things that Jesus is the father's representative

That he's his beloved son. All those things are absolutely true They're just not true in light of the fullness of divine revelation

You have taken some truths at the expense of other truths which makes them untruths

That's what Unitarianism does. That's so what any polytheistic system does whatever and For all of you who in who if you listen this program you have some interest in apologetic issues for all of you

You will find great peace You know because I've talked to people who who don't have peace because they sort of feel like they have to Respond to this and after spot of that I'd gotta go

Christian truth is a whole and When you find a strong challenge at one element of that truth

That needs to be dealt with But that one verse or that one aspect isn't the whole thing

You have to see how it's all related and Once you start asking questions

Where's this coming from this this and I always remember if someone challenges you on a particular issue

You need to find out what they think The truth of that issue is do they think there is a consistent divine revelation on this topic?

Or are they just attacking your position? Do they have a positive perspective and once you ask those questions 99 times out of a hundred?

They don't have a position that is even slightly possible given the whole of divine revelation

So those are some things to remember when you read these folks and they can be you know, the thing is these days

If someone just goes online and just acts like they know what they're talking about they have confidence

Man, they'll convince people Because people want to be convinced They want to have someone to tell them what to believe and If you're not a critical thinker

Then you will be controlled I Thought I keep people saying to people on X whether you're on the right or the left if you're run by emotion if You're influenced by emotion.

If you think that having a feeling is the same thing as thinking something through If you have ever typed to someone

TL semicolon DR you are a future cultist or maybe a present cultist

Because someone who can have long -term thoughts Can think through things will be able to control you.

They'll be able to control your emotions They'll be able to control what data you're given. You'll just become a worker bee a drone

That's all you are all probably right now and if you don't know what

TL DR is too long didn't read It's the new I Have the attention span of a flea statement of the next generation

Where you you say well Fact here fact here fact here put together in historical context conclusion here up too long didn't read.

Give me a meme Give me a meme Talk to my emotions, you know

That kind of person is easily controlled deceived led astray used then thrown out basically okay,

I Had to had to comment on this I don't really want to I've done a few debates

We've got a few coming up this year not a bunch Because the one with Craig Trulia really does need to be my focus

You need to send me that email from Johnny because I need to look up that stuff and look at next year.

Oh Okay. All right But I've done a few debates 200 of them so far moderate public debates of at least 90 minutes in length and over those well starting in August of 1990 so we've been we've been at this for 35 years plus well

Yeah, almost 36 I've seen a lot of spin

You know initially, you know in those first years These things are being recorded on videotape if they're being recorded at all

So you didn't have the social media immediate immediacy You know,

I don't remember the first debate that I did that was actually live stream I Really don't remember when that was but it wasn't all that long ago live streamings of relatively new thing and So especially the first, you know 20 years or so The only only way there could be spin would be you know weeks or months later really once the

Editing had been done the videotapes were being distributed or eventually the CDs and stuff like that Only once the internet came along and YouTube came along Could you have?

almost immediate spin and In the vast majority of my debates

I Do the debate and I let it stand for itself. I move on to something else. You know, I I remember how

Utterly focused Jerry Madetik's was on debates. He would just stay in debate mode Run into him a week later.

He's still in debate mode. I just thought to myself man I would not I feel for that man's wife.

I really do Wow I Just found that unhealthy to just be constantly focused on debate or what but that That last debate and I I should have said this

I should have said that I don't sit around doing that. I really don't You said what you said?

You try to do the best you can in the context that you did it in So there have been a few times where years later.

I remember when Patrick Madrid did a article or a Video or I forget what it was

Reviewing our veneration of Saints and images debate and I think it was an article as I recall and Algo would know because I'm sure he's mentioned it a number of times but So yeah years after the debate because someone had published something or put something out

We responded we took the time to go back over and to add to what had been said in the debate and to provide further documentation and Respond to further argumentation and things like that.

That's not normally how I do things. It really isn't So the spin stuff

That kind of stuff I've left other people and I've seen some

Really outrageous things. I mean there have been people who lost debates badly and it was clear to everybody on both sides that they had lost debates badly and Then they come up with stuff in the spin control, that's just amazing

But in all the years and all the years of doing debates

I don't know that I've ever run into anything quite this bad quite this embarrassing

Truly embarrassing and it's not about a debate that I did I watched a part of it, but I And it was actually wasn't a debate

I'm talking about last week's thing with God logic who will be at the thing in Dallas Is doing a debate there so I get to get to meet him

I'm looking forward to that Bruce lawn versus Joel Webben and his minions and a couple mornings ago,

I Wake up and Chris Rosebaugh the night before has posted a clip

From NXR studios. Remember what NXR is new Christian, right? The X is the

Chi So NXR studio that looks so cool and you got the NXR all over the microphones and wow

Yes, why don't we have a alpha mega logo on the microphone? I mean we've had this microphone for Yeah, you could print something out that what do you think they did?

That's exactly what they did But you know, they're super cool and they've got all their cool stuff in the background and they've got you know

I've got I've got yeah, my cool stuff in the background is actually real stuff You know, it's stuff that has

Been back there for years and years and years Their background will be different next year anyway

Joel Webben is sitting there and I I had to I Had to listen to it more than once just to just to verify that I had heard what

I just heard and Then this was

Made worse By the fact that Joel has gotten the point where if he's challenged on anything, he will double down on it.

No matter how absolutely Absurd it is Because he has no one he's got this man is just untethered unhinged.

There's no one to pull him back There's no one can to say think before speaking, you know, like mom and dad used to do nobody there so What you got about to listen to is

Joel Webben doing the most Amazing debate spin

I've ever heard and Having heard a lot of debate spin that's that's saying a lot

I don't think anyone's heard more debate spin than I have because I don't know anybody who's done more debates than I have so Yeah, so here it is

I don't even I don't even know what to say. But here we go.

Um, I would say Out of ten people nine people who thought we lost the debate

If you follow their accounts and you know who those people are probably probably about a 90 to 110

IQ and Then one out of ten is very generous who thought that we won the debate Also coincidentally happened to be guys with 130

IQ plus Okay, catch that it's not overly clear

But What he's claiming it almost? the

The fairest reading is that 90 % of the people who thought they lost the debate have low

IQs 90 to 110 and some other guy I didn't even waste my time to go look though.

I can guess who it is One of his minions is just the biggest yes -man on the planet Goes that's being generous okay, 90 to 100 and Then the 10 % that believes that they won the debate 130 plus IQ And he literally says you can look at their account and you know who they are and my my initial response to it was

Who knew I am so dull. I mean my IQ is so low. It's it's obviously so much lower than Joel's I mean a little old me.

I mean what I'm obviously just so dull in comparison to these brilliant priceless nationalists who have just written books on so many wide varieties of Sexual criticism in history and you know theology and other religions, you know,

I mean really come on I Shouldn't even be talking about this stuff anyway

You can look at someone's account and determine their

IQ and I was you know

I started clicking around and and I'm trying to find the little IQ meter on the account information and I just I couldn't find

I still can't find it. I am still so dull. I cannot find the IQ meter on X maybe it's only on Facebook, which says a lot right there but I Hate Facebook, you know,

I've always hated Facebook But you you can actually determine

Someone's IQ by looking at their account and what he's saying is the higher your

IQ The more you recognize I won. All you gotta do is play this stuff

It has become a parody. I mean, this is Babylon B level stuff Poor Babylon B.

How can they keep up with this kind of thing when real life is this absurd? I have seen such

Amazing spin over the years and Joel Webman comes along and takes the cake

Takes the cake right there But that's not where it ended. Oh, no.

No, that's not where it ended Instead we have

Dr. Jordan Where did where'd I put that?

Yeah, I know. It's Jordan Cooper. I thought I I Thought I reposted that Anyway, I thought

I did maybe I didn't anyway Jordan Cooper a Lutheran scholar nice guy we've sparred over a few things

We certainly don't agree on everything on the extent of the atonement and stuff like that standard reformed

Lutheran stuff But he responds to Joel he actually he responded to Chris Rose was posting them and he responds and he says um

Well as Irrelevant as it is. I have an

IQ over 130 and I think your arguments are the most laughably stupid things

I've ever heard and you know what Joel's response was now at that point

See if there is any restraint left in man if he hadn't been completely consumed by all his sycophants

Clapping for him and doing the little oh, you're so good He'd stop and go whoa, wait a minute

This guy's yeah. Yeah, this guy's Published he's been around a long time.

He's done a whole lot more than I will ever do in this life And he's just said my arguments are laughably stupid um maybe the adult thing to do

Would be maybe get some advice of somebody else that I could trust even though I've pretty much burned all those bitches

It's time to phone a friend, that's right But no, but no no

That's not what Joel does no He responds and says hey, it's great your

IQ is over 130 then he says So what's your T level? No, he said that You can go look

It's been reposted all over the place. So what's your T level your testosterone level?

Literally, I mean this this needs to be put in the dictionary next to the word inane

Okay, this is this is how you Kick yourself in the face in public repeatedly until you lose consciousness

You you respond to somebody who is clearly way beyond you

By asking what his T level is and I'm like Okay My only response to that was

I had to check this out because I went to weapons feed. I Made sure that that wasn't because that was so absurd

That the danger is someone Photoshop that well, you don't have to Photoshop it anymore. You just use rock or something like that But but I'm like that that is something that somebody would do to make somebody look just completely out of control

Like like they think they have no Understanding of what they're saying at all anymore

There was So once I found that I said, well, I had to verify it from the actual feed

Maturity level 13 13 years of age That and and the most the biggest response to my statement is that oh, come on.

That's way too high That's way too high. You're giving him way too much credit. I was

Hey, if there's anybody in Joel's life that he'll listen to anymore That plane every engine's on fire and it's at a 90 -degree angle right now, okay

When it hits there's just going to be a crater So if there's anything you can do now be the time to do it because I've seen this happen before somebody believes their own publicity and They lose all mooring to reality and they don't even realize what they're saying anymore go for it help them out

There it is, um, I told somebody I do this and So this may this will probably take up the rest of our time.

I have two video clips Huh, I don't know what your message meant you sent it to me

Okay, all right, well you think if you sent it to me during the show I'm gonna look at it and Figure and assume you're talking about what

I'm talking about right now All right Here we go, um

This clip appeared a couple weeks ago Someone said I expect to see us in Radio Free Geneva.

Sorry We didn't play the theme but hey, you can record the theme and play it anytime you want It's it is that good

I realized that but where does Calvinism go wrong and so let's um

This is only the nice thing about these they're only a minute long and So it's easier to respond to so I might have chance to get to the other one, but I don't know the other one but it gives us the opportunity of diving into Ephesians and Well here this one gonna do this one gonna do

Get your jump in the gun. Okay. Did I did I hit play? I did not hit play. Okay Kevin Thompson Put out a video and Maybe I'll keep this so we can go ahead and dive into it on the trip because I can do this in the in the

RV Kevin Thompson is an anti Calvinist guy that makes some of the worst arguments out there.

I mean I Looked it up at ailment org and the last time

I dealt with him was was August of 2018 So it's been years and guess what it's about Ephesians 1 4

So This new little short thing. It's 2 minutes 41 seconds. Well, it's not all that short

It's just him recycling the same stuff over and over again, and it hasn't improved any over the years

So, yeah when you're into Kevin Thompson stuff Just just realize you're you're

You're definitely dealing with radio -free Geneva material. Okay, it's Not top -drawer by by any exegetical standard

That we could we could look at But we may save that one, but let's go ahead and Let's let's listen to this one minute clip and oh

That's right. Well, I undid that so I could do the other one. All right, here we go. My in -laws are Calvinist I want to know what the main out of the five points, what is the main thing that's

For lack of a better term wrong. What's wrong about Calvinism? See the the ultimate problem with Calvinism hard five -point

Calvinism in my view is It makes the world a sham because we really don't have a free choice but God is telling us that we ought to choose him when we can't choose him because he hasn't chosen us at all and Secondly, it makes

God the author of evil In fact, let me give you a in a debate that took place 40 years ago at Dallas Theological Seminary It was between Norman Geisler my mentor and a guy by the name of John Gerstner And at one point

Geisler turned to Gerstner and he says he said does man have free will and Gerstner said yes

Man has free will to do what he desires But God gives him the desire of his heart

So Geisler said who gave Adam the desire to sin and Gerstner said mystery

And Geisler said contradiction. Okay There's I sent you a signal message and you're ignoring it.

Um Okay Like I said, it's only a minute long a couple things here

What what okay, um, well you can type that to it appears on the screen that way

I can't hear things through the through the window all that. Well, it's it does really sound like Charlie Brown What's interesting to me is

I met Dr. Turek at Southern Evangelical Seminary.

I forget what year that was. It was the year I debated Michael Brown there. I Think that was the year anyway

And we sparred on a few things Presuppositionalism stuff like that now he's he describes

Geisler as his mentor But when you listen to most of his answers to these questions

Um, he has adopted a Molinist Perspective and Geisler never did that Now Geisler is predeterminately knowing and knowingly predetermining thing

See Geisler was one of those guys who thought he was the brightest bulb in the pack And so he could just sort of make stuff up.

That's that that was the whole problem with this book Was it was well, you've got moderate

Calvinism and extreme Calvinism and he has decided to redefine everything so Arminianism becomes moderate

Calvinism and regular Calvinism becomes extreme Calvinism and and he literally believed that that debate was between he and R .C.

Sproul and no one else had any right to say anything about it and When you when you take that position

You're not gonna be able to hear what anybody else has to say remember the one of the one of the biggest things That I took from my relationship with Norman Geisler Was we were driving to the airport once we had spoken to the conference and They're taking he and I to the airport to catch our flights home and He said well,

I'm 65 now. I'm still not that old yet close. I'm 65 now so I can write my

Um Systematic theology and I said

You have to be 65 to write a systematic. Oh, yeah, nobody who's Younger than 65 can know enough to write a systematic theology.

So I mentioned Wayne Grittem's systematic theology waste of paper total waste of paper and The way he responded to me when

I wrote the Potter's Freedom, which was to completely ignore and he never read the book

It would have been a complete Denial of his own utter supremacy to even take the time to read the book.

He had his students respond to it That's why they made so many outrageously absurd errors That we documented

So much so that Bethany house took that appendix out After it was published and when we pointed out all the errors in it, they removed it

They had to it was it was laughable It really was and whatever is whoever his students were you guys you need to repent

That was years ago. I know that as many years ago now. It's 20 years ago. You still need to repent.

That was horrible I was Bethany. I was Bethany house. I was Bethany house.

That was my publisher That's how they knew about it is my editor at Bethany house

Listened to the program and it's like oh my gosh Anyway So What I learned from him was that he did not believe he could learn from anyone younger than himself and So I made

I made the decision at that point in time. I'm never gonna do that. I Am never going to allow myself to become so Right now you say oh, but you talked about people.

Yeah when when somebody Who's never done anything? Who's never been in the trenches who's never taught who's never published who's never debated comes along with meme theology

Yeah, I'm willing to go, you know, you haven't done the work, but he wasn't saying you haven't done the work

He wasn't saying Grudem hadn't done the work. He was saying Grudem wasn't old enough to have done the work there's a big difference and so Yeah, I I'll never forget that one

That lesson so it's interesting the dr. Turk identifies Geisler as his mentor when on the fundamental issue

He's basically adopted a different Theory of the knowledge of God I've never heard him lecture.

I didn't say oh I said theory and it thought I said Siri Thank you very much, um

So now I have a whole list of things about the knowledge of God that I can look up after the program yay They're listening at all times if I get a bunch of Facebook stuff about the knowledge of God tonight

Well, we'll know exactly what happened. Anyway So These responses that he gives

Have been refuted over and over again and dr. Turk will not even respond to challenges Um For years we have posted the contrast between my answer to the problem of evil and His answer to the problem evil debating

David Silverman. We were both debating the same guy different years Silverman brought up the exact same argument and I answered it fully

And dr. Turk does not have a response to the reform position. I think he knows that I think that's why he

Ignores all challenges to his claims. He knows

That we do not believe that God is the author of evil evidently what he's and this is what his Molin ism allows him to do

He can on the one side talk about God micromanaging every event in History because Molin ism requires that but at the same time saying but evil arises solely

From the free choices of man, of course, it's the free choices of man That are unknown to God Remember card dealer.

God's got to deal with the cards. He's been dealt and Wherever that came from they have no answer

They don't the grounding problem is the fundamental error Molin ism. Now. There are people say ah, you know

Nah, you know, it's the issue of libertarianism. Okay, fine. If you want to approach it that direction fine

I start from God not from man and The grounding objection you heard me bring it up to William Lane Craig You heard me explicate it in the debate with Stratton in Houston This is the issue and their answers,

I mean, that's why That's why the the radio free Geneva the current radio free

Geneva Video version that we have is so much fun Because it takes that segment where Stratton starts talking about What you started to say something

No, I saw three little little doohickey whoppers Yeah, see right there.

Oh Wrong window itis. Okay. He's just trying to throw me off today Obviously, this is just you know, try to try to throw things down so you had nobody talking about.

Um When he starts talking about the the Avengers stuff the

Avengers plot and time issues and stuff like that and Like the camera didn't zoom in on me, but they they zoomed in on me post -production type thing

But I'm just sitting there and I can't help it. I'm just a nice ago Yeah, it's just like really

I'm in a debate where the Avengers are being used to make a theological argument

Okay, how did I get here? And when can I go home? And I started to side right there this is my last foray into the brain twistedness of Moulin ism

But I'm sure Frank Turk Thinks yeah, that's how I can I can say that God micromanages every single event

And say that he's not the author of evil Even though he knew and he created that evil would exist and he knew exactly how much there would be because he chose this universe.

I mean the whole thing is such a fallacious attempt to find a philosophical way around the fact that you just don't believe what the

Bible says and You just want to object against this so When he says it means nothing matters the whole idea is if The Psalter is right.

God does whatever he pleases in the heavens and the earth if if Nebuchadnezzar was right in Daniel 4

If Ephesians 1 is right that he's the the God who works all things after the counsel of his will

If all that actually means what it self -evidently means in its context then nothing has meaning and I've always responded

Have you ever heard the prayer of the early church? Have you ever heard what they said?

When they talked about in Acts chapter 4 the crucifixion of Jesus They speak of Herod Pontius Pilate the

Jews and the Romans They did whatever your hand and your purpose predestined to take place

Now the Molinus goes, yes, yes God put them all in that position knowing exactly what they would do and that's how they accomplished

But that was but God could only do it that way because His middle knowledge that didn't come from him and it's not a part of his creative decree

Was able to be put together that way, but that's not what the early church was not made up of Molinus Okay, that came out a long time later

Molina is 1 ,500 years late. They were not

Molinus They were citing the Psalms Okay they were reading

Isaiah and You're not going to find Molinism in the Psalter in Daniel in Isaiah in Jeremiah, you're not gonna find that they believed that what those men did was what

God had Predestined his will and his purpose had predestined to take place and Just as with Joseph's brothers

Just as with the Assyrians in Isaiah chapter 10. God is

Completely just to judge when they act upon the desires of their heart

You may not like that You may go that's that's not how

I want to debate on Facebook doesn't matter it's irrelevant if You want to have an actual biblical argument if you want to actually honor what the word says on this topic

That's what you've got So you either have to push that aside come up with the most amazing surface level excuses for those texts and Then bring your philosophy and bring your favorite

Roman Catholic theologian in Lena was a Roman Catholic obviously Jesuit um the

Jesuits don't hold that view anymore, but that's another issue That's what you're gonna do and So, you know it it bugs me that Frank Turk's Giving this kind of information out, but I can trust that This young guy if he's one of Christ's own and it's

God's purpose that he's gonna grow and his knowledge and things How many how many people became reformed because they read the

Potter's freedom how many churches were founded because somebody read the Potter's freedom and When I first read chosen but free

I was like, oh man, it's gonna cause so much confusion. This is terrible. This is horrible But you know what?

Quarter century later God knew what he was doing. He accomplished his purposes and We can be absolutely confident that that's how things are gonna go and And they did they did so Yeah, um, my in -laws are

Calvinist. Well, I hope that the fellows in -laws Will sit him down and say that guy you listen to Don't know what he's talking about.

Okay. He's here read this book and And go from there. So So, there you go, we could have done radio free

Geneva today, but I didn't really think it fit with 130 IQ stuff, you know radio for G free

Geneva. It really isn't for people, you know, so smart above one third I mean, you know, they they need special stimulation for their giant pulsating brains.

Oh My oh I I can't believe what happens sometimes out there in the world, all right, so Head out this weekend

Start heading for Dallas, Texas will be there for I think like 10 days and then a quick trip down to Louisiana and we go from there and I Appreciate your listening appreciate support you know

We got a got to put diesel fuel in that beastie out there that I'm making sure no one's stealing right now and Deaf I hate diesel exhaust fluid.

Oh, that stuff is disgusting. But you know what? I just realized something. I just realized something We got a new truck.

I told you we got a new truck again sincere Thanks to the folks who made that one particular individual that made that possible

But you know the big advantage of having a white truck and you don't know this You don't know this one of the things that drives me nuts is deaf dispensers are infamous for overflowing they don't stop and once death dries, guess what it does turns white and So you can always you look at almost any truck that you have to have deaf

You'll see these white streaks coming down from where the gas Stuff is and it's ugly and it's horrible

But that was on a black truck now we have a white truck So at least it won't be nearly as visible and it won't bother me nearly as much when that stupid thing

Overflows because it always will it's just ah hate death you can we can thank

California for death, but hey That's why a diesel can go roaring past you and not cover you in black smoke now is because of death.

So there you go But anyways, we'll be heading out please pray for safety.

Like I said, it's gonna be cold the first few days the first trip across the i -10 and i -20 is gonna be pretty nippy in the mornings,

I'll just Move the traveling time back to the warmer part of the day, and I should be should be alright, but pray for safety travel fund at ailman org you can go to ailman org find the travel fund and Help us to do all this kind of stuff.