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Welcome to No Compromise Radio, a ministry coming to you from Bethlehem Bible Church in West Boylston. No Compromise Radio is a program dedicated to the ongoing proclamation of Jesus Christ, based on the theme in Galatians 2, verse 5, where the Apostle Paul said, �But we did not yield in subjection to them for even an hour, so that the truth of the gospel would remain with you.
In short, if you like smooth, watered-down words to make you simply feel good, this show isn�t for you. By purpose, we are first biblical, but we can also be controversial. Stay tuned for the next 25 minutes as we�re called by the Divine Trumpet to summon the troops for the honor and glory of her King.
Here�s our host, Pastor Mike Abendroth.
Welcome to No Compromise Radio, a ministry. My name is Mike Abendroth and I�m here today to talk about a conference that�s coming up next Saturday that if you are a male, you need to attend. I love the topic.
I love the speaker. I love the speaker so much, I almost love him like he�s my own brother. On the line with us is Pastor Pat Abendroth. Pat�s coming to Worcester next Saturday for a conference at Bethlehem Bible Church, and we�re here to talk about that conference.
Pat, welcome. Hey, Mike.
Thanks. Great to hear from you. Great to talk to you. I can�t wait to be there next week. It should be a great time with the men as we seek to man up together.
Well, that�s the name of the conference, Manning Up, M-A-N-N-I-N-G, or maybe you could say it�s time to man up, subtitled In Church, Home, and Culture next Saturday, March 27th, 8 a .m. to about 11 .30 a .m.
It�s $5. You can register online at NoCompromiseRadio .com. Just donate $5, print out your receipt, and you can have a good time of getting blistered by the Bible. How�s that, Pat? Sounds good. It sounds like my brother.
It sounds like we might even get along. Pat, you�ve done this conference once or twice before. Tell us first, not the details of the conference, but how did the men respond that you talked to at the previous conference, Manning Up?
You know what? We just finished doing this at Omaha Bible Church, and before that, I�ve done it at a couple of other churches, and we had a great time. I like to say it was the best men�s event I�ve ever been to, except because otherwise it sounds self-serving, but we had a great time because we were talking about our lives, about how we�re supposed to live, and what God has made us to do with men, especially in light of the fact that it�s not just more rules, it�s not just more man-made stuff.
We�re really and truly looking to Christ and looking to do what we�re supposed to.
Do. Well, we�re talking to Pat Ebendroth, my brother. If you�re wondering, he�s nine years younger, but you would never notice it by his preaching or by his wisdom. Manning Up conference at Bethlehem Bible Church, March 27th, a week from tomorrow, a week from Saturday.
I think it�s important, Pat, to give our listeners a little background and elaborate a little bit more from your previous comments. Promise Keepers came along, and there was an appeal to people that said, �We want to be better men.
You just had the wrong appeal. What was wrong with the Promise Keeper extra seven promises approach, and why would this conference be different?
Great question, Mike. What we don�t want to do is just give men more rules. The world even seems to have it figured out that men aren�t leading, and that men need to be leading in one way. An appeal to what I call �mere masculinity.
You just need to do something that�s not the solution, and at the worst, that�s what the Church ends up doing. They just mimic that, and they just do something that, you know, is going to be supposedly masculine.
But that�s the Church at its worst. The Church making a mistake at its best just gives legalism. And Mike, what�s interesting is it may not be seven promises, which is biblical, that kind of legalism.
Unfortunately, there�s the legalism that the Church actually even biblical in that sense, Mike. I think we can be legalistic, even Ephesians 5 says, �Husbands, look, if we�re not tying a feast, that�s really what I�m looking to do.
That�s a great answer, Pastor Pat. Abendroth is on the line here in Worcester, Massachusetts, next Saturday, March 27th. He�ll be preaching here Sunday, March 28th as well, Sunday school, Sunday morning, Sunday night.
But if you�d like to register for the conference, info at NoCompromiseRadio .com. It�s $5 plus breakfast. If you don�t register by Monday, this coming Monday, it�s just $5, no manly breakfast with venison or whatever else men like to eat.
Pat, I�ve been telling everyone who�s been coming that we�re going to have a session, a breakout session, and give one another Holy Ghost backrubs. Could you comment on that, please?
I don�t think I�ve ever had a Holy Ghost backrub, but I do, and can promise to your listeners, as long as you can provide the video setup with only one qualifier, we�ll learn how to give a man a hug, we�ll watch the video, but we will make sure that once we know how to do it, that we ourselves.
I think they did that at Promise Keepers, the whole Holy Ghost backrub. I just want to know what happened to the poor guy who sat on the back row of the L .A. Coliseum because he didn�t get anything. I guess we could kind of shout and make the sanctuary into two different sections, we�ve got spirit, yes we do, we�ve got spirit, how about you, and then the other guys could kind of say it louder.
Are we going to do that at all? The other side is going to be, I think. They said, �We�ve got Jesus, yes we do, we�ve got Jesus, how about you and on and on the drivel goes, and it�s no wonder that men are frustrated and saddened by the whole thing.
Which one do you think is more true, or the equally true? Problem in local churches, evangelical churches, because we could dissect the world, our liberal churches, but the problem in evangelical churches, which is a bigger problem?
Men don�t lead, our women are usurping the leadership responsibility in the home. Which one, are they both together equal, one is related to the other, how do you diagnose that?
I diagnose it by diagnosing it I think the way you would, I probably learned it from you. Since you�re my big brother, the answer is yes, it�s a problem on both sides, but at the end of the day, men need to lead, and if men lead and it truly starts with us, it�s a great thing to be able to know that it starts with us, and in one sense it ends with us.
Tell us a little bit about the conference in general, Pat, some of the key themes maybe to kind of wet the whistle of some of the listeners, I can�t say that you are going to go later this year to South Africa and speak at the Shepherd�s Conference in Johannesburg and Polokwane I believe, and one other place with Phil Johnson, I think that should be a fairly manly experience going to South Africa with Phil, don�t you think?
I sure hope it�s a manly experience, he�s bringing his wife, and I was told I could bring my wife, sadly I�m bringing another pastor to work out, we won�t be doing any man hugs, that�s for sure.
Sadly for the pastor, sadly for you. Okay, let me get back to the point, Pat, you know what, I think we should do this instead, give me the background, give me your testimony, a short testimony, how God called you into his kingdom and then into service, and Pat, especially tell us a story about the guy who prayed for you while you were an unregenerate, give us that story.
Yeah, I didn�t find out about that until much later, Mike, but you know, we grew up, the two of us grew up, we would go to church, always believed in God that he was true and real, the Bible was true, the only problem was we didn�t have a clue about what the and even lying about my own commitment, I think God used his word to really kill me, all of that happened when I met Lincoln, but what�s interesting, I saw him, and I knew what he was, so I love to tell that story because indeed I am unsavable, because we are all unsavable.
Well, if you�re listening, I�m sorry, Pat, go ahead.
Go ahead, just looking forward to emphasizing those things.
Well, I was going to say, for those of you who are listening, WVNE, you should bring your unsaved friends. If you�ve got a dad who�s not saved and he�s needing to hear the gospel, this would be a good conference.
This is not just for people who do leadership well, who are godly and mature saints. The good news about the gospel, and I know you�ll agree, Pat, is for those of us who have failed in our leadership, there�s no time like today to repent and ask God with his powerful spirit to help us lead godly lives now, based on the power of the resurrection, true?
Absolutely.
Yeah, absolutely. And that was one great thing about this conference, the fact that they would leave their homes, but we didn�t, and just all different kinds of men, and it was interesting, Mike, we didn�t plan any kind of action, plan anything.
Meaning? And I say that because We�re talking to Pastor Pat Abendroth, who�s going to do a conference here in Worcester one week and one day from today, that�d be March 27th, it starts at 8 o�clock at Bethlehem Bible Church, Bethlehem Bible Church in West Boylston, just north of the Reservoir, start at 8, we�ll eat until about 8 .30, and then there�ll be three sessions on Manning Up in Church, Home, and Culture.
Pat will do session four during Sunday school hour, Sunday worship at March 28th, and then he�ll preach from the pulpit here at Bethlehem Bible Church in the morning and in the night. So if you can�t make Saturday and still want to hear Pastor Pat, you can come on the 28th here at Bethlehem Bible Church, we�d love to have you.
Or if you have a good church home now, just come on Sunday night to hear Pat preach. It�s $5, register at NoCompromiseRadio .com, or you could send us your money. Hey Pat, tell us a little bit about some of those activities.
You said, you know, you�d like to have no particular things to go on, but what was that whole moon dancing thing I heard about the late Saturday night? Was that part of the men�s deal?
Well, Mike, it was that kind of thing.
How about bringing sons? I�ve been encouraging men to bring their sons. Is there a cutoff age for sons who could understand? Would you encourage sons up to what age, etc.?
Yeah, Mike, I think it�s going to depend on the son, as a matter of fact, high school, but certainly a junior high student could listen. But what I�m not doing is, it�s not really geared to some dads, you know, but I�m definitely not.
Excellent. Remember Grandpa Henry, he was our grandfather on our father�s side, and speaking of shotguns, he hurt his leg being a man actually rescuing his wife Erna out of a car wreck, but he hurt his leg.
And so when I would go hunting with my father and grandfather, Grandpa would always just hold that double-barrel shotgun out of the window while we�d drive up and down the fields in Nebraska. So when you said shotgun, I was thinking about Hank.
Last time, I think that�s illegal, but oh well.
Tell us a little bit about Wild at Heart. I think that there are lots of men who read that book who had a true biblical desire with godly motives to be more masculine from a biblical perspective. What�s wrong with the Wild at Heart model, and how is this conference going to be different?
What�s wrong with the Wild at Heart model is that it�s being explicitly unbiblical, and because, yes, it�s true, we don�t want to have bull****, but to say in the book explicitly, deny what Jesus said.
Jesus said, �Turn the other cheek. Books like that sell. What�s interesting about that kind of book is you�ll ask young men in the church about that book probably in a year or two, maybe even now, and they�ll say, �No, I�ve never heard of that today.
Or one thing that men need is not Wild at Heart, how to love their wives, what they need more like is to love our wives as Christ. So that�s what we really need to unlovely.
Well, Pat, with the whole Wild at Heart issue, you know you have some immature believers and they buy it, and so I�m usually not bugged at people who buy the book and want to learn something, but what bugs me is the pastors that promote it.
They�re the ones that should know better. They�re leading the flock. They�re to guard the flock. They�re to teach sound doctrine and refute those who contradict, and for them to promote it, partly it shows me they have no discernment, but I think partly, Pat, I think it�s laziness, and I believe that�s part of the fabric of men in the world.
If God says work before the fall, after the fall, we are lazy, and so there�s still that remnant of laziness that still is in Christians today because we are by default lazier. We struggle with that until the Spirit of God can help us, and so I don�t even know if there�s a question in there.
I�m just talking. Hey, it�s my show. It�s my show. I was thinking about watching Braveheart, and I thought, �No, that�s not the way to motivate. It�s this, what does the Bible say, and then how can we, by the power of God, do it?
I�m so thankful that you�re bringing the gospel home. Like, you know, I�m teaching a parenting class at the church, and how does the gospel apply to parenting? How does it apply to being a man in the church?
How does it apply for an elder board who are supposed to epitomize godly manhood, and speaking of elder boards, Pat, tell us what is typically the problem in an elder board in a local church when it comes to biblical manhood, because somewhere we�ve got to look for an example, and if the elders aren�t acting that way, then how does a young, immature believer follow?
So give us a charge for elders to step up and, in light of the gospel, be like men.
Yeah, absolutely, Mike. The elders need to do that. If you don�t have it, it�s a given that, in fact, maybe we could talk about men being rich. It�s a pretty good sign. If your church isn�t training up men, and they�re rising to the surface for significant leadership, it�s a sign that that wouldn�t be happening.
We�re talking to Pat Abendroth regarding the Manning Up Conference, Be a Man at Church, Home and Culture, in Worcester, Massachusetts, March 27th, Bethlehem Bible Church. It�s all morning, breakfast included if you order.
If you register by Monday, register at NoCompromiseRadio .com, $5 conference for men and their junior high, high school-aged boys. Pat, with a couple minutes we have left, I already know you agree because we think alike, we�ve gone to the same schools, etc.
If someone is acting effeminately, and I don�t mean their wrist is limp, but effeminately they�re not acting biblically in terms of who they are, can�t we back up and find out that they�ve got wrong theology that�s driving their lack of biblical masculinity?
That is to say, how close does a proper view of God and theology drive the methods and drive the imperatives of �this is how we act�?
It�s all going to be tied back to that, and I would agree, Mike. Who is God and how do you understand who God is, what a good God is, who Christ is for that matter. He is the Lion and He is the Lamb. If you learn anything about being a man from Him, I understand He�s the God-Man, but He�s also certainly a man.
We�re going to want to emulate that, but we also at the same time.
I don�t know about all your sessions, Pat, but I hope you say something like this. Maybe I would say it because it�s my show and I know you have class and manners and etiquette and all that stuff. I would probably say something like this.
If you�re preaching in an Arminian gospel, a gospel that somehow makes salvation a cooperation between man and God, some kind of synergistic cooperation that you are actually making, you are manufacturing biblical effeminacy.
I love Dan Douglas�s book, Pat, that you probably read about the feminization of American culture. Here in New England, in Massachusetts, when Calvinism went out of the pulpit, a high view of God, a sovereign hand of God, when it went out of the pulpit, what came rushing in?
Romance novels and Unitarianism. I think there�s a direct correspondence between preaching a high view of God, what we call Calvinism, doctrines of grace, and biblical masculinity. You have 30 seconds.
Do you want to comment on that? I want to comment on that and say I agree, and then, if I can use a little shaming, some sanctified shaming, when men who are Calvinists or say they�re Calvinists wait for their wife to do the right thing before they do the right thing and act godly, I want to tell them and look them in the eye and say, �I don�t care if you say you�re a Calvinist.
I think you�re a Pelagian. I think you�re an Arminian because you need to understand your wife is not something you�re waiting for. You actually need to initiate like a good monarchist.
Pat Ebendroth is shaming us. Manning Up! Conference. Pat will be here March 27th. NoCompromiseRadio .com. Morning Conference. How to Be a Man at Church, Home and Culture. Pat, thanks for coming. Thanks for taking my call.
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