Timo's Mission: Bringing Hope to Uruguay's Atheists

Welcome to The Rap Report with your host, Andrew Rappaport, where we provide biblical interpretation and application. This is a ministry of Striving for Eternity and the Christian Podcast Community. For more content or to request a speaker for your church, go to strivingforeternity .org.

Welcome to another edition of The Rap Report. I'm your host, Andrew Rappaport, the Executive Director of Striving for Eternity and the Christian Podcast Community, of which this podcast is a proud member.

The Call to Serve Christ Around the World

We are here to give you biblical interpretations and applications for the Christian life. Today we're going to have a guest on, someone that I got to meet in person. He is a missionary on his way to Uruguay, and I'm hoping that several things that you're going to gain out of this episode.

One, I hope that you're going to gain a greater appreciation for those who serve Christ around.

The world.

Maybe, just maybe, God is calling you to do that, and maybe this episode will be something God uses to put that on your heart to pick up and go somewhere that you want to go. Now, it doesn't mean that's the only place we could serve.

You can serve in your own local community, but there are some who God calls to pick up and go around the world and serve elsewhere. And then the other thing I'm hoping that God might put on your heart is to say, hey, I really have a heart for what Timo is doing, and I want to help support him.

Timo's Background and Testimony

And so with that, let me welcome in Timothy Haack, and folks might just have heard that I called you a name they haven't heard in America. So first off, introduce yourself and explain to people why I called you Timo.

Hey, it's great to be here, and thank you for having me. Yeah, my name is Timothy Haack. The reason why I go by Timo is because I grew up as a missionary kid in Uruguay, South America, and my name in Spanish is Timo Teo, and to shorten that, in Spanish, they don't say Tim, they say Timo, and so for basically my whole life, I've just gone by Timo.

And you and I got to meet because you are a missionary candidate at my home church, Oxford Valley Chapel, and our church is looking to raise the support to help you raise your full support to be able to get to Uruguay.

So that's how you and I got to meet, and after we're talking, I was like, I need to have you on and let's talk more. So for folks to first know, talk about your background a bit. You grew up in Uruguay as a missionary child, as you mentioned.

What's it like in Uruguay? First explain the country.

Uruguay: A Country Needing the Gospel

Yeah, yeah. Just a little bit of my background. I was born in Uruguay. My parents had been there for about 35 years, church planting in the capital city of Montevideo there, and that's where I grew up.

I spent all my whole life there until I was about 18, and that's when I came to the States to to study a little bit more. A little bit about my testimony is when I was about eight or nine years old, I remember hearing about what God had done for me during one of our family devotions, and my whole life, ever since I was born, my parents had always taught me about God and told me about what Jesus had done for me, and they did such a good job that I really don't remember a point in my life where I don't remember understanding what the gospel was.

It was always very clear to me, and so when I was about seven or eight, that's when I realized, well, it doesn't matter how much I know about the gospel. That's not what saves me, and I realized that I was separated from God because of my sin.

And that the only way to restore that relationship with God is what Jesus had done for me on the cross, and so that night, I told my dad that I wanted to place my faith and trust in Jesus Christ, and that's really been the best decision I've ever made in my entire life, was putting my faith and trust in Jesus and becoming God's child.

And ever since I was small, ever since I was that young, God really gave me burden to go back to Uruguay to serve Him there. And I remember, I'm a pretty logical thinker, and so I remember thinking about everything that God had done for me, and about how He had sent Jesus to die on the cross, and how Jesus gave His life for me.

And my only logical conclusion to that was, well, if Jesus was willing to give His life for me, then the very least I can do is to give my life back to Christ, for Him to use however He wants. This is not my life anymore.

This is God's. And ever since I was that young, God gave me burden to go back to Uruguay. And I see Him, He has given me this privilege of being able to grow up there, to be able to see the needs firsthand.

And He has, you know, I've been able to grow up with the knowledge of the culture, of the language, and it's been something that He's never really let up on. And He keeps on opening up the doors on the way.

And I want to use this knowledge that I have for His honor and glory, to be able to spread the gospel in Uruguay. So the next thing that you addressed was, what is Uruguay like? So Uruguay, if you don't know where Uruguay is, I always tell people if you can find the country, Brazil, which is the largest country in South America, Uruguay is located right below that.

It's right on the coast. It is only bordered by Brazil and Argentina on the other side. It's about the size of Ohio. It has a population of 3 million people. And the capital city is Montevideo, which is located on the very most southern tip of the country.

And the capital city has about half of the population. So about a million and a half people live in the capital city. And that's where me and my wife will be returning to there. And Uruguay is just a lot of rolling grasslands.

It's one of its things that is most well known for is its beef. And that's, you know, on the early days when Uruguay was fighting for its independence, it was being fought over because it was very pristine grasslands, great for raising cattle.

And that's what one of the largest exports still today is its export of beef. Raising cattle and sheep on there. It also exports rice and timber. And in the capital city, one of the biggest revenues would also be tourism because Uruguay also has the largest natural port in all of South America.

And so that attracts a lot of cruise ships that come in there. And Uruguay, unfortunately, also has the highest rate of atheists and agnostics in all of South America. It is a very needy country, a country that really needs the gospel.

It has the highest rates of atheists and agnostics, about between like 30 -40 of the population would claim to be atheist or agnostic. Around 40 -50 would claim to be Roman Catholic. It is also the most secularized society in all of South America.

It also has the highest suicide rates in all of South America. It is a country that really needs the gospel. And those are some of the reasons why God is really calling us to go back is because we see the great need that is there.

Also because he just keeps on leading us. He hasn't given us peace about anything else. And so we're excited and we're looking forward to getting back and working for the Lord there.

I find it so interesting that the countries that have a higher amount of secularism, professed atheism, are the same ones that you end up realizing, oh, they also have the highest amount of suicide. Now, they would often go, oh no, we're more enlightened.

You say that, and yet it's like that's not quite fitting with what we see.

Right?

Yeah.

Just a very interesting thing. Now, obviously, as a meat eater, I think I would love to go there. It sounds like.

Lots of beef.

Hopefully really inexpensive too. But yeah. So when you get there, what do you plan on doing? Your parents live there. So you've grown up there. You are somewhat familiar. Some might say you're more familiar with that culture than this culture.

But it was a culture shift to get here to America. Now you're going to have to go to another one getting back. What are you looking to do when you get there? And then a follow-on question I'm curious of is, what kind of training are you doing while you're here in preparation?

Church Planting, Bible College, and Biblical Counseling in Uruguay

Yeah. So when we get there, we're going to be involved in quite a few different ministries. One of the first ones is we're going to be involved in church planting in the capital city of Montevideo. It's going to be near my parents.

We're not going to be working directly with my parents, but we'll be nearby in the capital city of Montevideo. We're going to be involved in a church plant in an area of Montevideo that's new. It's growing, and there really isn't a large Christian church in that area at all.

And so we're going to be working in starting a new church there. We're also going to be working with a Bible college that recently started back in 2014, which is also in the capital city there. And this Bible college has a goal of being able to train and equip national believers with biblical training, which is something that is highly lacking in South America.

Here in the U .S., there's multiple Bible colleges that you can attend, get classes online, and it's something that is very lacking in South America, not as available. And so this was a combination of multiple mission boards, multiple national pastors and churches coming together, seeing this need of this biblical training and starting this Bible college to be able to equip these national leaders to take over these ministries that have been started.

And that's really been one of our burdens as well, because we really believe that the nationals in your way are able to spread the gospel much better than any one of us. We really want to be able to invest in them and train them to be able to do that.

And so we're going to be involved in them in many different ways. We're going to be teaching. We're going to be in different, you know, administration, technical roles, student care, and they've asked us to be in charge of that, and fundraising as well, recruitment, many different areas.

And one of the other ministries that we really want to be involved in both in the church planting and the Bible college is biblical counseling. Biblical counseling is something that God has also given us a really strong desire for.

My wife has a master's degree in biblical counseling. I'm working on getting my master's degree as well in biblical counseling, and we want to incorporate that in all these different aspects of ministries we're going to be involved in, because this biblical counseling is also something that is highly lacking in South America as well.

And, you know, we're praying that God will open doors, whether it'll be in the church, in the community, or in this college to use this aspect of biblical counseling. Let's see, what was the second question?

So, follow-up would be the training, which obviously some of it you've got a background in counseling, which is part of the training, but there's some other training you've also had just to prepare for this.

Oh, yeah, yeah.

Right, you have to learn the language, right?

Wait.

Yeah, yeah. Yeah, so August of last year, me and my wife went down to southern Texas to a language school called Rio Grande Bible Institute in Edinburgh, Texas, and we spent about nine to ten months there so that my wife could learn the language, and it was a very intensive Spanish language program.

They put about seven years of Spanish training into two semesters, and we averaged about, or we calculated that we were doing about 30 hours of Spanish every week. Classes were in Spanish, one-on-one tutoring, Spanish church.

It was in a Spanish Bible college. This language school is in a Spanish Bible college, so you're surrounded by friends, activities, events, all in Spanish, and it was a great Spanish program. My wife was able to pick it up very quickly, and so we've been preparing that way.

I've also been starting my master's degree in biblical counseling. That's part of the training that we're preparing for when we get back, and then the past two weeks, me and my wife were down in Georgia with our mission board, and we were receiving training on church planting, and it was excellent, excellent training, that you wouldn't get anywhere else, and just on how to plant churches cross-culturally with teammates, and how to plan your church plans so that a national takes it over when you're done.

Great, great stuff. So yeah, there's been a lot of training, a lot of preparation for when we get back down there.

Family Adjustment and Sacrifice

Yeah, now a funny story for folks to know, maybe. You're from Uruguay. You're used to the culture. Your wife, as you said, is new. She had to learn Spanish, and so just to see the culture shock for her, right?

She grew up with her family all spread out all over the world, right? So she's not close to anyone. Is that right?

My wife, my wife's family is all in the same area, so they're definitely not used to this at all. It's been very different for them to get accustomed to it, but they have only been loving and supporting through this whole time with them grasping this, of us moving away overseas.

It won't be difficult, but they have been very encouraging and loving through it all.

This is where you pray as a parent. You pray, I just want my children to serve the Lord, you know, Lord, wherever you want to take them, and then she brings you home, and it's, well, I didn't quite mean there, Lord.

I mean, it's a big adjustment. She's someone who's close with her family. They're all right there to pick up and do a move like this, to learn a new language, to learn a new culture. The culture is somewhat familiar to you, but for her, this is going to be a big change.

You also happen to have a new baby on the way, so that's going to be another change for her. How is this impacting her?

Honestly, I have been just so incredibly thankful and blessed. She, you know, sometimes this is all normal for me. I've been, you know, traveling my life, you know, adjusting to cultures and even coming back to the United States and then going back to your way, you know, readjusting, and this is all normal for me, but sometimes I don't realize I have to be really conscientious of this is all new for her, and she has just been such—she is so sweet, and she doesn't complain at all, and she has been just so encouraging and wanting to be a part of this ministry, you know, making it her own too.

Not just going because of me, but making it her own and doing this as a team, and it has just amazed me every step that we have taken because I know it's not easy. I know it's incredibly difficult, but it's a lot of work.

Even during this deputation process, we're raising support, you know, we don't have—.

Are you tired of pillows that go flat or every couple of years they smell bad, and what are you going to do with them? You can't wash them because that ruins the pillow. They don't stay in that same shape.

Well, MyPillow is the answer. Get a MyPillow. These are premium pillows that never go flat. You can wash them as many times as you want, and best of all, they're made right here in the USA. Go to MyPillow .com, click on the radio listeners, and use promo code SFE.

That stands for striving for eternity. Or you can call 1 -800 -873 -0176. That's 1 -800 -873 -0176, and use promo code SFE.

We don't have a home to settle down, and then, you know, with the baby coming, it's hard. There's a lot of sacrifices that she has to make. You know, she can't, she doesn't have a nursery to prepare. We're going to be temporarily living somewhere before we move to Uruguay.

And, you know, there is a lot of sacrifices she makes, but she has just made them so, she has been just so Christ-like through this whole process, and it never, she never ceases to amaze me, and she, I couldn't be doing this without her, honestly.

Why Nationals Should Be Trained to Lead Their Own Ministries

Yeah, she seems like a very sweet woman. So as you go there, you're planning to go, you're going to do some counseling. I think that for a lot of folks, when they think of missions, I want to highlight something you brought up, because it's something that, when you mentioned it, it instantly resonated with me.

And that was that a lot of people think of missions as someone who's going to pick up, go somewhere around the world, and basically be like a church planter. They're just going to be a pastor, but not here in America.

They're going to get paid by Americans to pastor a church in some other country. And there are some that do that. There's some that are church planters where they move around and plant churches. But you're trying to go there to train up locals.

That is something that resonates with me, because I think that, I've always felt, and you had mentioned this, is pouring into the locals, they are going to have the better impact or the greater impact on their culture that they know.

Now, it's a culture you know because you grew up in it. So in that sense, it's not new to you or different for you. But for others, why is that so important? Why is it important to train up nationals rather than you just going out and doing the evangelism and the church planting and the pastoring?

Yeah, and this is something that I've seen personally growing up is so many times a missionary will come into a country and they will start a church and they'll really focus on evangelism and they'll be able to start a church.

And then like you said, they're just there to pastor. And not really church plant, but they're just there to pastor. And then once they retire and leave, that church ends up falling apart, closing down because there was no investment into the nationals to take over those ministries.

And yeah, again, like you said, the nationals are the ones that are going to be able to know the culture even better. They're going to have so many more connections in the country. They're going to be able to relate so much better.

They're going to be able to understand the people, understand the language so much better than anyone, any missionary going into the country. And it's also so important. Part of church planting is that it needs to be seen as temporary.

You're not there to pastor, but you are there to start an outreach, like a church, a spiritual group of believers and establishing someone there, a national, really investing into leadership training, teaching them how to evangelize and then moving on.

And so that's why it's so important that the leadership training aspect of ministries is to not be so focused on the church plants, on those ministries that you forget to really invest in the leaders and the national people, because they are ultimately the ones that are going to carry these ministries on.

They're going to be able to make these ministries even more fruitful. They are going to be able to reach out to so many more people. They are going to be able to be the ones that understand, communicate so much better.

And so that's why it is so important to be just really, really focused on leadership training, pouring into national believers, not just trying to start a church, get a couple believers, but really focus on that leadership training on the nationals as well.

Bible Software and Coffee Sponsors

You know, and one thing, folks, that you listen to Timo, we talk about the training, things like this. We talk about the fact that, yes, some are called to go around the world, but you may be called to go in your local area.

Maybe you're called to serve in your church, in your neighborhood, and one thing that would help you to do that, well, that would be Lagos Bible Software. If you were to get yourself some good software that can help you in the study of God's Word, you would be better equipped to be able to reach whoever God is leading you to speak to.

And so may I encourage you to invest your time and your money, obviously, into Lagos.

Bible Software.

You can go to Lagos .com, that's L-O-G-O-S .com slash S-F-E, that stands for Striving for Eternity, so Lagos .com slash S-F-E. There, you not only get them some discounts, but they know that you got there from us, and they will continue supporting us, which we greatly appreciate.

Now, one of the things with Lagos, if you've heard of it before, it used to be this really, really expensive product that costs you, well, a house mortgage. It's not that way anymore. Now they've moved, if you've never gotten Lagos before, they have moved to more of a subscription-based model.

So if you were to pay for two years up front, I think their lowest subscription is about seven or eight dollars a, I think it's a week or a month, sorry, seven or eight dollars.

A month.

So basically, that's like one Starbucks coffee. I mean, just give up one Starbucks coffee and you can have great Bible software. The neat thing about this is when you use Lagos, you're one click away from learning so much about different words that if you have the packages that have some of the languages, you're one click away from getting into the Greek or the Hebrew.

There's all this scholarship that is put into that where you can quickly be able to search something in the Bible. I know that Jesus said something about fish somewhere. You can do a search where you just look for where Jesus was the speaker, and the topic was fish.

And boom, you come up with all the verses like that. If you want to get into deeper research, there's all of the books they have are tagged. So you can quickly find things by topic. It's a great software.

I love it. I've been using it for 30 years. So I want to encourage you to check out Lagos Bible software. Go to Lagos .com slash SFE to make sure that you can get yours. And it is a great investment. But you know, one thing I'm just going to say, you know, if you're studying too much, you might get a little sleepy.

So a good parallel to have with your Lagos Bible software is, well, a good cup of coffee. And for that, I recommend you go to Squirrelly Joe's. Squirrelly Joe is a Christian. You're not only getting a great cup of coffee through there, but you're also supporting a Christian family who is training up their family, their young children to learn how to run a business as well.

So it's a whole family enterprise that are involved with this. And you get some great coffee. I do encourage you to at least go and check out the different names of the coffee because I crack up all the time.

The names he calls his coffees.

There's wisdom.

There's integrity. I personally like compassion. I don't know if it's because I'm lacking compassion or like, maybe I just need more of it. But I love that one coffee. And the only one I won't drink is the Honesty because that's called decaf.

And I don't think that's being honest. Just saying. But maybe you like decaf. And so you get yourself a cup of Honesty. But you can get it if you go to strivingforeternity .org slash coffee, strivingforeternity .org slash coffee.

And when you go there on your first order, use the promo code SFE for Striving Fraternity. The code SFE will get you, it's either 20 off your entire purchase or the first bag free, whichever one he is doing.

You'll get one of those. And so with that, you get that discount. But let me encourage you every time you reorder, please go to strivingforeternity .org slash coffee, because that's the only way he knows that you were sent there from us so that he will continue sponsoring us, which we greatly appreciate.

I love the coffee. And I actually, the neat thing is most of the conferences I go to, he is sponsoring.

Them.

So we're always getting, well, not only the coffee during the event, but he donates a free bag of coffee to each of the speakers. And that's how I got my first bag. It was Integrity, and I got to enjoy that coffee, and I have been hooked on it ever since and get none others.

Now, if your church wants to get some coffee, they do have five pound bags, or if you're like me and just drink a lot of coffee, I get five pound bags. But you can get a five pound bag for your church.

Go to strivingfraternity .org slash coffee to get yours today. So Timo, as we're talking about Uruguay, this is something where folks can, even the folks who are listening here could partner with you.

This is something where it's not just, oh, you're going, they're listening, they're going, hey, that's really neat what he's doing, that he's able to help locals in the.

Area.

He's going to help them to counsel them, to train others to do counseling, to train up new and future leaders for this country where, as you said, it's needed with so many people being, you know, trying to go secular.

But this is something where we can come alongside you. I've already mentioned our church is considering you as a candidate for our missions, but if I'm not mistaken, you don't only rely on churches, do you?

Partnership, Accountability, and Support

No, we take small groups, we take individuals, we take churches, basically anybody that wants to come alongside of us and partner us financially. Yeah, anybody.

So how might, if people want to help you partner with you, what would the partnership look like and how could they do that?

Yeah, so the easiest way that you could partner with us would be to go to our our mission agency's website. Our mission agency is Biblical Ministries Worldwide. Their website is biblicalministries .org.

That's biblicalministries .org, and you can look us up by our name in the search. My name is Timothy Hawk. My last name is H-O-C-K. A lot of times it's confused. A lot of people want to spell H-A-W-K, but it is actually H-O-C-K.

If you want to look us up there, you can look up Timothy Hawk, H-O-C-K, and there's different options that you can give to support us, to come alongside of us, partner with us in what we're doing. If you want to be in communication with us, we also send out monthly newsletters.

You can reach out to me to my email. It's going to be timothy .hawk at biblicalministries .org. Simple again, timothyhawk, H-O-C-K, at biblicalministries .org. If you have any other questions, if you want to reach out and get in communication, you can ask.

We put on our monthly email list. We love staying in contact with all of our supporters, and we also have a Facebook group that's called Timo and Alexa's Prayer Group. If you're on Facebook and you'd love to keep up with us there, we also post some different prayer requests, and sometimes a little bit more often than during our prayer updates.

But yeah, we would love to partner with you, and you can reach out at any time. We'd love to hear from you.

Now, with this, you mentioned that you're part of a missions board, which leads into my next question, is for folks who want to donate, one thing that often comes up if they want to help out is, well, what kind of accountability does this person have?

Is he just going on his own and I'm going to have no idea how the money's being spent, or what he's doing? Is there accountability? You have both a sending board and a sending church, so what's the relationship you have with biblical missions, with the mission board, and then what is the relationship you have with your sending church, and how do you know that sending church?

Mission Board and Sending Church Accountability

Yeah, so we've partnered with this mission board, Biblical Ministries Worldwide, and this mission board, one of its jobs is to keep us accountable, because that is very important with what we're doing, and that is something that we consider to be a high priority.

We want people to be able to trust us, to be able to know what we're doing, to be able to reach out at any time, and our mission agency really helps us to keep accountable financially.

Can you answer the following questions for your children or for the person to whom you are witnessing? Number one, is the New Testament reliable? Two, can you explain the Trinity to me? Three, how is Jesus both God and man?

And a slew of other questions you will be able to answer if you get Andrew Rappaport's new book, What Do We Believe? It will help you a ton. Get your copy at whatdowebelievebook .com, whatdowebelievebook .com.

That's one of their jobs, and so that's why all the finances go through them. It doesn't come to us personally, it goes through them. They hold us responsible, and then with our sending church, our sending church is Fellowship Bible Church in Shenandoah Junction, West Virginia.

This is a church that I did an internship right out of Bible College, and my wife grew.

Up there.

Our sending church also holds us highly accountable people that are constantly communicating with us. We have different meetings. We actually have one coming up this month where we're going to be, again, meeting with the missions committee, giving them an update on what we're doing so that they can hold us accountable, and even with all of the churches and individuals that come along and support us, I believe that there is a biblical aspect to that accountability that they have to us, that those churches are responsible for holding us accountable for what we're doing, how we're using these finances, and how we are staying faithful while in Uruguay.

And we're also, while we're in Uruguay with this Bible College, we're also going to be surrounded by multiple local churches, pastors, different other missionaries as well that are going to be holding us accountable as well, keeping us faithful.

And so this is something, you know, we're not just going down there alone, but this is something that is going to be, it's a team effort from all of our churches, all the people supporting us, as well as the team that we're going to be working with in Uruguay.

And when you get to Uruguay, you're not just going to be on your own right away, right? You're going to be partnered up with a more seasoned group of missionaries to be working with them at first, correct?

Transition to Uruguay and the FEBU Bible College

Yeah, yeah.

Our mission board wants us to, during that transition period, which sometimes can be pretty difficult, you know, getting readjusted to the culture, language, things like that, our mission board wants us to be working with a more seasoned missionary for the first one to two years, and we're going to be working with them.

They're going to be helping us, again, during that transition time, a lot of the changes that are going to be happening throughout the process, even like the paperwork process, and just getting settled into life there.

We're going to be working alongside someone that can help us and that can encourage us and hold us accountable during that time.

So, when you get there, you're going to, and I'm not even going to attempt to pronounce the university, the school. So, F-E-B-U, I'm going to let you properly pronounce it because, well, I don't even pretend to speak Spanish, but the college you're going to be going to to train people, for folks who realize, tell a little bit about what that school's purpose and goals are, and how it achieves them.

Yeah, so the Bible College is called F-E-B-U, and it stands for Facultad de Estudios Bíblicos del Uruguay, which would, roughly translated, would be the Uruguayan Bible College, and its purpose and goals is really to equip and train the nationals with solid Biblical training.

And they started back in 2014, so it's a relatively new Bible college, and they not only are trying to reach the Christians in Uruguay, but they're also trying to reach all the countries in South America with this Biblical training, with online classes.

So, they have students from Chile, from Argentina, from Paraguay, I think, and so they offer these classes online as well. It's still pretty small, so they have about probably 20 to 30 students right now online and in person.

And, you know, when we go back, we really want to try to travel around, be able to visit churches, be able to recruit more students, because we just think it's a wonderful opportunity that is available there for the people to learn about the Bible.

Prayer, Support, and Final Encouragement

So, folks, if you are hearing Timo, my encouragement to you is, well, obviously, first pray for them. Just picture yourself. I especially am going to say pray for his wife. Timo is a little bit more familiar with the environment he's going into.

But picture having your family always around. You've always been around your family, and now you're going to pick up and not just move out of the town or out of the county or out of the state, but out of the country.

Learn a whole new language. Learn a whole new culture. That's not an easy thing, and so be praying because, like I said, not only is she doing all of that while pregnant, having a newborn, dealing with that.

I mean, these are major, major issues, and Timo and Alex are dealing with it together, like all at the same time. Let's just throw everything in at once. So if they, you know, like, you survive this, everything else in life is just going to be easy, Timo, right?

But if God would put it on your heart to be praying for them, and as he mentioned, if want to, if you're on Facebook and you want to follow along, you know, just on Facebook, look for the group. It's Timo and Alex's prayer group, and so there you could find out more details about what they're doing and how you could be praying for them.

I think you just had a post not too long ago about some training. You were just out doing training, and you were talking about that, about going. And so, folks, that's one way that you could be doing is praying in form, and if you're on Facebook, you could find out more about how to pray more effectively.