Yielded Vessels — Michael L. Brown

Good to see everybody, great to be here with you. I've got my phone here, not because I'm going to be checking scores or looking for emails, but just to read a couple of quotes. I want to say I was really offended by all the manipulation and high pressure in that offering.

That was just one of the, just wanted to say that up front for those that are also offended, like wow, they're just trying to drag every dollar out of us and that was high pressure, and I apologize for that.

Seriously, it is wonderful to be here, and thanks to the Gibsons for leading us to the presence of the Lord tonight. It's nice to see a bunch of our grads that are out here as well in Kansas City. And for those that haven't met before, it's nice to see.

I greeted a brother behind me, actually, by slapping him in the face during worship. And it's happened, but it turns out we knew you from the 80s, so it was kind of a New York greeting there. And it's always a joy to be with the Raven Hills, with David and Nancy, and the great blessing they've been for so many years.

If you don't have any of David's books, or if you only have some of them, afterwards go downstairs on the way out, you'll be able to get some of his books. A book that I wrote an endorsement for, Surviving the Anointing, my son-in-law Ryan said that everyone going into ministry should read that book.

So he's got some wonderful books. You know the thing I like about David, is he doesn't tell you what you want to hear, he tells you what you need to hear. And he does it nicely, too. I don't know why everybody likes him, they don't all like me.

But no, actually not everyone likes him, which is a good sign. So if you don't have his materials, get them in. And great to have Sam here from the House of Prayer. And when I spoke years back in Kansas City, we had a special Jewish conference, I guess it was in the early 90s, and it was a little bit different then.

I remember Mike Bickle picked me up at the airport and we headed out to where we were going. And we were so blessed to hear about, like there was prayer like three hours a day, and we were amazed at the church that was doing that.

So things have grown tremendously, and it's wonderful to see. How many of you have been to my website? Raise your hands if you've been to my website. Okay, good number of you. If you haven't been there, just jot it down.

It's askdrbrown .org. One thing I find really interesting is we're putting a lot of time into radio ministry that the Lord's really called us to. I do two hours of live talk radio five days a week that I've done different meet and greet in different places.

If I was ministering, we'd have some time set aside just in a small gathering to meet listeners and to interact with them and stuff. And I find it really interesting, you just assume everybody's online all the time now, everybody's wired and connected, but plenty of people listen on radio that don't get online.

And you know how I know it, because they're surprised to see what I look like when I get there. Oh, we pictured you. I said, you know, actually, you don't have to guess. You can see on, oh, we don't get online.

So anyway, for those online, askdrbrown .org is the website, and you'll find literally hundreds of hours, actually thousands now, of free materials. All of our radio programs, The Line of Fire, are archived.

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You can watch those all free online. A lot of articles that you can read, and we're always writing new things and sending out new messages. So if you're not on my email list, just make sure you sign up.

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A lot of important links there. So if you're online, might as well use the time constructively, amen? And those of you that wanna stand with us on a monthly basis and become torchbearers and help us spread the fire, you can find out how to do that at the website.

A lot of the things that we do, it's kind of interesting as we step into some situations that have stretched us more than we've ever been stretched to be on radio on a regular basis nationally and to do other things like that.

And then to help support our missionaries and others around the world. Everything stretches you out in faith and most of it gets done by just a lot of people standing together. I was talking to someone who leads a major ministry that does a lot of worldwide work and is on the cutting edge of a whole bunch of things.

And their organization brings in tens of millions of dollars a year and it goes right back out into what they're doing. In fact, I was impressed when I visited just everybody kind of working little cubbies and didn't have the big fancy offices.

But when I asked him where the money comes from, he said, most all of it, 90 is just from folks sowing in regular gifts, not from wealthy people. I was speaking in Chicago and was talking to someone from Moody Bible Institute.

And I asked him, I said, is it true that aside from room and board, students all study here for free? The tuition is free at the school? He said, yeah. And I said, how do you do it? He said, widows and people just sending in monthly gifts.

And when D .L. Moody started the school, he said that they didn't want to be dependent on a grant or something like that, that you'd be beholden to other people or organizations. So it's just amazing what happens when everybody does their part and throws themselves in.

So in the local assembly, whether you're a mega church or a house church or standing with ministries, it's all the same that everybody works together, throws themselves in together and makes a difference.

So go to the website, take advantage of all the free material. Those that feel prompted to become torch bearers and support us on a monthly basis, you can do that. Then I've got some of my books and materials downstairs as well.

The Call to Become a Prophetic People

All right, let's pray. Father, we thank You for Your grace and goodness to us. I thank You for the privilege of being here with Your people. Lord, we haven't come in here thinking that we're going to change everything in a few days, Lord, but there are things You've laid on our hearts that we believe are important for believers here and for the nation.

So as we just sang in worship, we ask You now in prayer that You would give us ears to hear, that our hearts would be open and that You would touch us so we can go and touch our world. In Jesus' name, amen.

Matthew 5. Matthew 5. What does it mean to be a prophetic people in the earth? What does it mean to be a prophetic people in the earth? Every so often in our charismatic, quote, spirit-filled circles, we have different trends, different themes that become the end thing.

And for a while, everything was prophetic, and then it morphed from there into everything being apostolic. Nothing really changes. We just change the titles. And for a while, with everything being prophetic, you had prophetic worship, the same worship we had before, but now we call it prophetic worship.

And then dance. We had prophetic dance, again, similar to what we had before except we called it prophetic dance. And I'm not saying that God was not moving or doing different things or that there were not certain aspects of the Spirit that were being expressed, but it always struck me as odd that with all the talk about being prophetic and even getting revelations and getting words, that in terms of the core of being prophetic, hearing God's voice and declaring it to the world, that's the main thing we were not doing.

And God wants us to be His voice to the world and to society, both in word and in deed. And with the Holy Spirit being poured out on all flesh, that means that all of God's people are called to be prophetic people.

And when Moses prayed in Numbers 11 when the Spirit was being taken from him, and just like you take a candle, it can light other candles, being imparted to the 70 elders, he expressed the desire that all God's people would be prophets and that His Spirit would be upon each of them.

That is what is realized in the New Covenant and with the outpouring of the Holy Spirit, that all of us can be a prophetic people. What does it mean? Matthew 5, seeing the crowds, Jesus went up on the mountain.

When He sat down, His disciples came to Him. And He opened His mouth and taught them, saying, blessed, meaning truly happy, blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. Blessed are those who mourn, for they shall be comforted.

Blessed are the meek, for they shall inherit the earth. Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness, for they shall be satisfied. Blessed are the merciful, for they shall receive mercy. Blessed are the pure in heart, for they shall see God.

Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God. Blessed are those who are persecuted for righteousness' sake, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. Now what He's been saying so far turns things upside down.

You'd expect the blessing to be pronounced on the powerful and the lofty and the mighty. Not on the poor in spirit. Not on those who mourn. Not on the meek. He's turning things upside down. And then, in this pronouncement of blessedness, of true blessedness in God, blessed are those who are persecuted for righteousness' sake.

This is in His very foundational teaching to His disciples in the Sermon on the Mount. And there are a bunch of things that are striking. Number one, that He's pronouncing blessedness, true happiness, on those who are persecuted.

And this is right from the outset. There will be opposition to the Jesus movement. There will be opposition to those who stand for righteousness. And the persecution is because of righteousness. And then He says in verse 11, blessed are you when others revile you and persecute you and utter all kinds of evil against you falsely on My account.

This is what's going to happen. A few chapters later, He said the student is not above his teacher. The servant is not above his master. If they call the master of the house Beelzebub, if they call Jesus Satan himself, what are they going to say about the servants of the household?

He said in John 15, if the world hates you, remember it hated Me first. Paul wrote in 2 Timothy 3 that all those who live godly lives in Messiah Jesus will be persecuted. Why? Because we're going against the grain.

Because we're swimming against the tide. Because we're standing for righteousness and living for righteousness and speaking righteousness. Because we are bright lights shining in dark places and the world hates that.

The Jesus that the world accepts is not the Jesus of the Scriptures. The Jesus that the world loves is a Jesus of its own creation. The Jesus of the Scriptures was crucified and hated, revered by many, and yet hated, rejected, crucified.

And Jesus said if that's what happened to Me, the Master of the household, what's going to happen to you, the servants of the household? If we follow Him, we will be reviled. We will be misunderstood.

We will be mocked. If it's for our foolishness or our poor behavior, that's a terrible shame. 1 Peter 4, if you suffer, don't let it be for being a busybody. Don't let it be for your own sin. There's no glory in suffering for our foolishness.

There's no glory in suffering for our self-righteous behavior. There's no glory in suffering for our scandals, but there is glory in suffering for righteousness and being identified with Jesus. And in Acts 5, the 41st verse, it tells us that the apostles had been flogged for the name of Jesus.

These Jewish men were flogged, were whipped by the Jewish leadership. They were forbidden. Do not speak in His name anymore. And it says in Acts 5 .41, they left the Sanhedrin rejoicing because they were counted worthy of suffering disgrace, suffering reproach for the name.

Wow! We're being associated with Jesus. We just suffered because we're being associated with Him. We're treated the way He was being treated, and they rejoiced. And then of course, verse 42, day after day in the temple courts and from house to house, they never stopped teaching and preaching that Jesus was the Messiah.

Don't speak in His name anymore. And they go out and do it. Jesus says, Blessed are you when others revile you and persecute you and other all kinds of evil against you falsely on My account. Rejoice and be glad, for your reward is great in heaven.

For so they persecuted the prophets who were before you. Why were the prophets persecuted? Because the prophets exposed sin. Because the prophets called even kings and leaders to repent. Because the prophets would not say all was well when nothing was well.

In fact, in Jeremiah 6 .14, and it's repeated in Jeremiah 8 .11, the sin of the false prophets was to say shalom, shalom, peace, peace, all is well, all is well, when there was no peace, when there was no shalom.

And He says they superficially treated the fracture of My poor people saying all is well, all is well when nothing is well. In the book of Lamentations, after Jerusalem is destroyed and there's mourning and lamentation, the prophet says in the second chapter that the sin of the false prophets was that they received misleading, false visions and revelations.

And they didn't expose sin so as to ward off captivity. They brought a message that the people wanted to hear and because of that they brought destruction. There's an amazing account in 1 Kings 22 about this prophet named Micaiah.

The king of Israel, Jehoshaphat, unwisely decides he's going to work together with an apostate Israelite king. And all the prophets are saying go, go, you'll win in battle. Go, go, you'll win in battle.

King, do it. You'll win in battle. And Jehoshaphat, godly king, says is there no prophet of the Lord here? In other words, he felt a little uncomfortable because they're all speaking good words to a bad king.

King said there's one prophet named Micaiah, but I hate him because he never says a good thing to me. They said, well, bring him. Jehoshaphat says don't say that. Bring him along. So they go and get him.

All the prophets are saying the same thing. They're all saying go fight and you're going to win. Say the same thing. When Micaiah gets there, King says okay, what's the word of the Lord? He says go fight and you're going to win.

He says no, tell me the truth. He knew getting a positive word from this prophet couldn't be the truth. And then he gives this word of disaster and judgment that's going to come, and of course, it happens.

It's not that the prophets were mean-spirited and nasty. It's that they spoke the truth. They did it with broken hearts. They did it with pain. They did it with much intercession before the Lord. But the fact is they revealed sin.

They exposed corruption. They exposed the sin of the religious establishment. And because of that, they were persecuted. Because of that, they were often killed. Jesus tells us that we're going to be treated the way the prophets before us were treated.

Salt, Light, and the Moral Witness of the Church

And then He says, you are the salt of the earth. But if salt has lost its taste, how shall its saltiness be restored? It is no longer good for anything except to be thrown out and trampled under people's feet.

You don't put salt on the table because it looks pretty. Salt has a function. It adds flavor, but in the ancient world, it was a preservative. You didn't have refrigeration, and salt was used as a preservative.

It's often been said that you could say that the salt is the moral conscience. You are the salt of the earth. You are the light of the world. This is not a separate topic that's unrelated to the previous verses.

This continues on the previous verses. This is part of our being righteousness in this world and pursuing righteousness in this world and standing for righteousness and being voices of righteousness and acting and living as the prophets did before us.

You are the light of the world. A city set on a hill cannot be hidden, nor do people light a lamp and put it under a basket, but on a stand, and it gives light to all in the house. In the same way, let your light shine before others so that they may see your good works and give glory to your Father who is in heaven.

In this context, the light is speaking of good deeds, acts of mercy and kindness, showing forth God's character and God's goodness. People see our good deeds and they praise our Father in heaven, but that's not all that light means.

In Ephesians 5, Paul talks about the light and he says light exposes darkness. Light makes things visible. People don't like it when you turn the light on and expose what's really happening. Jesus says in a different context in Matthew 6, if the light within you is darkness, how great is that darkness?

I've said it over and again, but it bears repeating. The greatest problem in America today is not so much the presence of darkness, it's the absence of light. And it's the light that is shining that is often defective and darkened.

It does not surprise me when sinners sin. It does not surprise me when Hollywood puts out another godless movie. It does not surprise me when wicked people do wicked things. What surprises me is when God's people do wicked things.

When God's people lose their moral bearing. When God's people become compromised with the world. And the thing that has become more distressing in recent years is not just that we preach a watered down, spineless gospel in so much of the church of America, as has been the case for a full generation now and we're seeing the tragic fruit of it.

What concerns me even more than that is that we preach a gospel now that is not only in compromise with sin, but at times even celebrates it. And that there's even a perverse doctrine in the body today that liberty means liberty to sin as opposed to liberty from sin.

And that you show your spirituality by your carnality. What a perversion. And then the church takes on the mentality of the world and if you stand for righteousness, if you stand for godliness, if you stand for holiness, if you stand for biblical values, if you stand for biblical family, and the world brands you hate-filled, intolerant, and bigoted, so much of the church embraces that same mentality now and doesn't understand moral righteousness.

And as we have preached a message that is all but devoid of the fear of the Lord, as we have so much wanted people to understand God's love and goodness, which is foundational and essential, and obviously to the extent people understand the love of the Father, their lives will be transformed.

But it is possible to overemphasize something by preaching one thing and leaving out something else. And we have all but lost consciousness in the body of God as a moral judge. And because of that, of the fear of the Lord, and as we have the fear of the Lord and an understanding of God as a moral judge, it does not make us judgmental.

It gives us a message of clarity. We are so concerned if we speak the truth people will call us judgmental that we've forgotten that God being a righteous judge is a good thing. And that when Jesus says don't judge, He means don't make false judgment, don't make hypocritical judgment, don't make superficial judgment, don't condemn.

But He tells us in John 7 .24, don't judge by outward appearance, but make righteous judgment. If we're going to be a prophetic people, we have to recognize there's such a thing as good and such a thing as evil.

And we have to be willing to speak the truth and let the world call us what it calls us. Let the world call us hateful or bigoted or intolerant. Let the world brand us however it wants to brand us. We have fallen under the deception that if somehow we can seem nice to the world, rational, enlightened, that the world will embrace our message.

The first problem with that is by the time we're done delivering the message, it doesn't save anymore. It doesn't help anymore. We become so relevant that we're completely irrelevant. It's like a doctor who discovers this incredible cure for cancer, guaranteed 100 cure for cancer, and sits down with other doctors and marketing people and says, here it is.

And it's this massive pill. It has to be taken in pill form. It's a massive pill. It's almost impossible to swallow. And after you swallow it, you've got a bad taste in your mouth for a full week. It's terrible.

And it costs a million dollars per pill. But it's 100 guaranteed cure for cancer in 100 of all cases. The doctors and marketing agents say this is the most amazing medical discovery in history. The only problem is it's not viable.

It's not workable. We can't market it properly. Here's what you need to do. You need to get it smaller, kind of like a nice gel cap. And either no taste or a sweet taste. And then get it down to $1 ,000 a pill and we'll sell a billion of these.

After a year of intensive research and work, he gets it done. Brings it back and says, okay, we've got it in a small gel cap. Wonderful. And it actually has a sweet taste. Terrific. And in fact, it's only $100 a pill.

Marvelous. There's only one problem. It doesn't cure cancer anymore. It's like our Gospel message. By the time we make it palatable and acceptable to the world, it doesn't save anymore. Trust me, if it doesn't offend, it doesn't save.

It must be the Kansas City inspiration. I've never said that sentence before. I didn't say offensive in terms of obnoxious, in terms of self-righteous, in terms of condemning, in terms of angry, in terms of mean-spirited.

I mean truthful. Why do we think if the world hated Jesus, the world is going to like us? Are we going to be more Christ-like than Christ? More compassionate? More loving? More pure? More kind? Why did the world hate Him?

Not because He was a jerk. Not because He was out of control. Not because He was self-righteous. But because He was perfect light. Because He spoke the truth without compromise. Because He was the only way.

Rejecting Compromise and Recovering Gospel Clarity

The first problem with our mindset, if we can just somehow make ourselves likable to the world, that they'll receive our message. The first problem is that the message will no longer save them or help them.

If we become like the world to win the world, what are we winning the world to? And the second thing is, if we make our message just like the world's message, what do they need us for? They already have all the self-help stuff they need.

Pop psychology or whatever the in thing is. But I'll tell you something even more. Ultimately, they're just going to completely ignore us and mock us. By us compromising what we do and who we are so as to be acceptable in the eyes of a sinning, lost world and a sinning, lost religious establishment, we actually degrade ourselves and our message.

The thing I find fascinating is those who stand for all other kinds of values are completely unashamed about it. Are out in the open, up front, parading down our streets with whatever the message is, parading through the media, unashamed of who they are and what they bring, and that's how they do it.

And we think somehow that we'll bring about change by just being like everybody around us. Can I ask you a question? We've all seen signs, billboards, ads for the latest fitness club that just opens up.

Do they have a picture of some 700-pound man collapsing off the treadmill with emergency vehicles on the scene to help resuscitate him? Or do they have some people that are chiseled out of steel working out there?

If you work out, you can look like this. I've never been a part of an Alcoholics Anonymous group or something like this or some 12-step program. But I imagine, if you're a spokesman for Alcoholics Anonymous, you don't get up and say, some blurted out, drunken speech.

In other words, you say, hey, you have to see me as hurting and vulnerable. No, you have someone get up there and say, I haven't had a drink in 35 years. I was a hopeless alcoholic, but I haven't had a drink thanks to AA or whatever the program is.

And yet we somehow think to reach the world, we have to say, you sin, we sin too. You're messed up, we're messed up too. What kind of mentality is that? We're just like you. I mean, it so degrades the Gospel and degrades the power of the blood of Jesus.

It degrades the very meaning of His death and resurrection that He comes to save us from our sins, not in our sins. And if I can just go on a tangent for a moment, this whole message is going to be one extended tangent on the same theme.

There are others who are prominent in church leadership today who practice what I call the celebration of ambiguity. I don't know. How can anyone know? Whatever the subject is, I'm not going to be dogmatic.

How can we know? And everyone applauds it. Well, then why are you leading, buddy, if you don't know? If you're not sure and certain and convicted, oh, we don't know everything. But throughout the Word, throughout the New Testament, this is written so that you will know that you know you have eternal life.

So you know this. Give careful attention to the doctrine. Lay these foundations. What's this celebration about being unsure? I mean, so much of the young generation loves that. We're not dogmatic. Man, our leader doesn't know and we don't know.

And in those same circles, there's this bizarre notion that what matters is not the destination, but the journey. Which is idiotic. I would rather have a terrible journey to heaven than a wonderful journey to hell.

And everything is a conversation. We continue to have a conversation. It's one thing to dialogue and interact and work with people and seek to understand them and share your life with them and build relationships with them.

But we have a message. And it is a clear and it is a definite and it is a narrow message. And we don't have to make any apology for it. Or try to explain to the world in such a way that they'll accept what we have to say that our narrow message is really broad-minded.

Jesus laid certain foundations. And we see these carried out by God's people through the centuries. And that's where change comes. John Wesley said, Give me 100 men who fear nothing but God and hate nothing but sin.

To paraphrase, I'll shake the world. If we could simply understand that as much as we want to walk in love, as much as we want to walk in gentleness, as much as we want to be compassionate to people who differ with us, as much as our ethic is to bless those who persecute us, as much as our ethic is to pray for those who persecute us and love our enemies and overcome evil with good, that's how we live.

We understand that we are in a hostile world. We understand that there is a battle between light and darkness. We understand we must stand up and speak out and do what is right. Someone called into my radio program, I guess it was just yesterday, and he was asking me about different end-time theologies and different views about the Second Coming and will the world get better before Jesus comes or will the world get worse before Jesus comes.

Thanks. And those are fair questions to ask. Perfectly fair questions to ask. But the first thing is we don't know exactly when He's coming. I know some of you have the details and the date and you're waiting to release it.

But I'll tell you when because I'm one of the other two witnesses in Revelation, so I'll tell you when we can release that information. But the fact is we do not know exactly when He's coming. When I got saved in 1971, He was coming any minute.

And the generation before that knew He was coming any minute. And He still hasn't come. Now my grandkids are growing up. Our oldest granddaughter is five years younger than I was when I got saved. We don't know exactly when He's coming, so we cannot come up with a theology of what happens in the last generation with certainty because the only generation that knows they're the last generation, they happen to be there when Jesus returns, at which point then you know.

Living as Disciples in the Present Generation

But the fact is this. As Josh Peters, the head of our missions department, said at a recent conference, I don't know if it's the last generation, but it's our last generation. What matters is we have one opportunity here in this world to make a difference.

And if we will simply say, here we are living in this world, God's prophetic people, called to make a difference, called to be His voice, called to fulfill the Great Commission, called to be disciples and make disciples.

And Lord, what can You do through me here in my town, in my family, in the city, around the world? How can I be used? How can I make a difference? Lord, I want this one life to count. When I stand before You, I want this life to count.

As David's dear dad, Leonard Ravenhill, often said, maybe his most famous saying, the question, are the things you're living for worth Christ dying for? As C .T. Studd asked many years ago, or said many years ago, only one life will soon be passed, only what's done for Christ will last.

In the words of the Methodist preacher, W .E. Sangster, whose words I read in a Leonard Ravenhill book many years ago, how shall I feel at the judgment if multitudes of missed opportunities pass before me in full review and all my excuses prove to be disguises of my cowardice and pride?

The question is, here we are, Lord, Your people in this world, living here now in 21st century America, what's our role? How can You use us? What do You want us to do? It's not about saving our lives.

It's not about being popular. It's about being obedient. I've been to India now 18 times, working with precious brothers and sisters there. Two years ago, literally washed the feet of a martyr's widow.

What made it especially moving is I had laid hands on her husband when he graduated from the ministry school there. Together with the leader of the school, laid hands on him and sent him out to preach.

And he was martyred by Hindus. Here we were washing her feet. Just completely overwhelmed, sobbing at her feet. I thought, Lord, I'm complicit in her husband's death. The least I could do is wash her feet.

There was heavy persecution. One brother almost beaten to death. Others had been killed. There was a widow there. Just three months after her husband had been killed, in front of her eyes, radical communists beat him and then chopped his head off with an axe.

She was there. Her daughter was there. The daughter got up, 17 years old, to testify. It translated for me. She said, I'm not here for your sympathy or for your money. She said, all my life I've wanted to live with a sense of purpose.

She said, now that my father was killed doing God's work, I have a sense of purpose. She said, I want to finish my education. I want to stay in the village here and help the people in my village, in other words, the people who killed my father.

I spoke a word the first day. And I went through the Scriptures about persecution for righteousness. And after the meeting, I was told that the brothers were tremendously encouraged. They were going back to dangerous areas where they knew their lives might be threatened or even taken.

And afterwards, they were tremendously encouraged. And I asked one of the workers there, why were they encouraged? He said, because they're being treated like the prophets. That's what encouraged them.

We're in the line of the prophets. At the water baptism, we do water baptisms every year. We've done them in all kinds of interesting settings. The first year, we went down into this pool, well, whatever it was, pond.

We had to wait for the water buffalo to come out. They were being washed. We had to wait for them to come out, and then we went down there. We've had water baptisms in crazy places. There was a place called the Place of a Million Gods, one of the most bizarre Hindu holy places I've ever seen in my life.

All the so-called holy men bathing in the water there. We went down there in the mud and did water baptisms. We did them right at the camp where we are, the headquarters, in their little baptismal pool.

And when they do the water baptisms, when they do the water baptisms, they ask the people, are you willing to follow Jesus by life or by death to your last drop of breath? That's water baptism. That's not graduation from school of ministry.

If you go to my Facebook page, the Ask Dr. Brown page, I posted a picture there the other day to illustrate something I was talking about on the radio, what it means to be a disciple. And I posted a picture there.

It probably got shared more quickly online than anything I could remember posting. Sorry I don't have it to show you now. But it's a friend of a friend of mine doing a water baptism in Pakistan. And you see the man he's baptizing, he's just got slacks on and a t-shirt, but you see he has no arms, just little stumps.

He was a Muslim. When he got saved, Muslims chopped both his arms off. After which, he was baptized. After which, he made his public profession of faith. And I said, you want to know what a disciple looks like?