When the Flesh Has a Grip — Robert B. Thompson

Lord as we come unto you tonight, it is with great praise and thanksgiving for your goodness. I appreciate it so much Lord keeping us Safe and then health and blessing the families Lord and keeping them safe on the highway.

Healthy Lord, we appreciate it. We appreciate it so much Lord. We thank you Lord and we pray there will always be safety and health on these premises Lord. Do not have any breakthrough in our guarding of the little children Lord.

We need your help with this Terrible time Lord, and we just need you the protection on all the little children. And so Lord as we proceed now with Thanksgiving. We asked you to help us with the word that it will be spoken and perceived Lord exactly the way you want it in Jesus Name.

Thank you. So we're on Isaiah 42. This is all it's in front of me. It was when I pray a Couple of things I want to call your attention to as we ended last time on verse 6 of Isaiah 42. Verse 6 of Isaiah 42.

God Takes Hold of the Hand

I have called you in license and I want to comment some more and I will I will take hold of your hand. Now if you stop to think of it if a child has your hand the child's kind of in control of his destiny.

If you have his hand now one thing that comes to mind is was very pointed in our own personal experience is when we took Our boys were very small and we took them to Niagara Falls. Well, there was a place now.

I don't know if it's the same now, but there was a dangerous place. You remember it Audrey. There was a It's a low railing and we were walking along and it would be the easiest thing in the world for a small child to fall over the side and Into the what was that water comes down with terrific force there and we were very nervous and apprehensive about it.

So we would never you know, let the child hold our hand. We hold a child's hand obviously, but you see that's very hard for us in God because we lose control. See as long as we're holding on to God, we're in control to let go and let that hand be switched.

No, I didn't picture God just shaking off your hand like that. Let go let go. Let me do it. It's extremely important. In fact in this end times things are so perilous at this point that we're just reading a vision by Was Rick Joyner and Larry alone to you if you ask nicely.

And it's pointing out as confirming what all all the people in the prophetic Malou are Saying on the Internet. It's all the same thing. There's no variation from it all these people this kind of gift or saying it's a time The Lord is coming to judge him.

It's a time of fire and it's a time of repentance. It's a time of upheaval in the church. So every so they're all all the people that have that type of gift are saying the same thing. I haven't seen one variation and I'm on one list that comes and and So you get to see what's going on in the world and they're all saying the same thing.

That's the same thing that I'm feeling that's really rough and and it's like walking along Niagara Falls. It's maybe before it was safe enough, you know. If you're walking on your sidewalk that the child could hold your hand, but things are changing in the spirit realm.

It's shifting gears. And so God to God is saying get your hands off because you can't do it anymore. It's it's too strong or too spiritually strong in the occult and the satanic things. It's too strong for you.

You can't don't have the wisdom or the strength to cope with it. Now that letting go and Letting God as we used to say let go and let God is Not as easy as it sounds it's easy to say but to trust God with your salvation.

To trust God with all the souls that are going to hell. To trust God with your ministry to trust God for your income to trust God for your health to trust God. It's not easy. It's easy until you try it and Then you see what a real battle it is to let go and let God take a hold of your hand now one aspect that enters into here that's always been prominent in the Christian churches has to do with ambition now.

Personal Ambition and Church Strife

Ambition personal ambition can work in two realms. It can work in the local church in little Intramural politics where people all huddle over their own little porridge bowl and jockey for position. It can work that way or it can work in a kingdom-wide sense in Wanting to be God's man of faith and power and God doesn't want any of that.

He doesn't want the local church. Strife that comes as it is come from personal ambition. They come from personal ambition and in America. We kind of hope that a child has ambition but when you get into the things of the kingdom ambition is satanic and that was Satan's problem and Ambition leads to supplanting like in the case of Satan his ambition to be great let him directly to try to supplant the place of God and that's something we have to be very careful of and It has to do with who's holding whose hand see if you're trying to get God to go your way and you're making your you're making your Maneuvers.

What's the word we use for it? Well, we're maneuvering people around manipulation. That comes from personal ambition. See we got something we're trying to do. We're trying to move people around and get them there.

And we're trying to hold God's hand and persuade God that we're righteous and everything and it really is Just about totally destructive of the witness in a kingdom-wide sense that becomes satanic you get to Try to force God and be some big shot in the kingdom and everything and the local church.

It's a mess and Paul has a lot to say about that in the local church. It's in Galatians 519. The King James has some words. We don't use today. But we have our resident Greek scholar here and he can clear up any problems, but it's in Galatians 519 through 21.

It's very characteristic of the flesh this ambition thing and in Galatians 519 the NIV has a pretty good Galatians 519 and Tony can tell us if it's true to the Greek, but It says the acts of the sinful nature are obvious and then it comes off with the worst ones sexual immorality impurity and debauchery, which is all immorality.

Then it comes into idolatry and witchcraft which Go go together there, and then you get look at look at them hatred discord jealousy fits of rage selfish ambition dissensions factions and envy. And all those things are the same.

Look at the list of. And that that can go on. When that God that's always been characteristic of the Christian churches and other denominations we call it politics politics yes. No, they're not exactly the same thing with their kissing cousins.

They're kissing cousins if you stop to think of a strife debate dissension. Factions trying to get a group off after yourself cliques. They're all the same thing. You want to add to that Tony does anything okay at the end of he's got a handle pretty well.

But you can read the New English Bible amplified Rotherham. Whatever NASB King James New King James. But it's amazing. There's not enough really said about that in the churches because it is okay you could put gossip under this all this that causes intramural sports in the churches where people are trying to Get one up at one sources envy, but when you trace it all back down its personal ambition.

See the causes that people getting in your way. They're not doing what you think and it's a real mark of maturity to be free from this. Andrew when you go to pastor you're going to find this is so common and Very often the target is the pastor's wife.

We were warned of that when we began to pastor. I don't know why that is but it happens a lot that Pastors wife was one as we were coming in one of the district supervisors told us they don't even treat you like a human and they do that and Yvonne will catch it and they'll all be jealous because she's pretty and It'll go on and on and on like that, and it'll be a whole cartload of this so.

Yeah. Yeah, well all right. We have the King James. Thanks very much. That's excellent, so we're we've got variants and emulations that emulation is kind of you know we use that in computer terminology to emulate the copy and It all goes down to personal ambition which leads to what I tell you it leads to supplanting.

Say it see how Satan's personal ambition led he wanted to supplant so all these things are kind of forms of Supplanting you're you're trying to get in there and outdo the other guy, so this is Not a pardonable Human attitude this is Paul said you will not inherit the kingdom first 21 you will not inherit the kingdom and why not because There's these these things don't exist in the kingdom of God the people in the kingdom of God have Been close enough to this none of this in Jesus nature.

Did you pick your Jesus with any of these things? Hatred discord jealousy fits of rage selfish ambition dissensions Factions and envy the party spirit leading off people in a party to follow you and it's polished for politics.

Yes. Sedition well, let's see how it's translated. I'm not sure Dissension Sedition is. Sedition is a political sense it's used a lot, but not in terms of church politics. It's a bill it's I think it's used in terms of Within the service or things that you do like What do you call it when when there's treachery in the service when a man sells out his country, what do you call that?

Treason yeah, you see that in connection with treason sedition acts of sedition. So I don't know but right there. Let's see its number. After his hatred it's goes one two three four five. So after hatred is discord jealousy fits of rage selfish image dissensions and then heresies our Factions you get that a lot in churches.

Oh boy. Do you you get groups? We have we have been very fortunate in our council members that we have managed for I guess the last five years. We have had a very sweet spirit. We have had not one instance of guys ganging up on the outside and then coming in and putting on an agenda.

We have not had that we've had a very sweet spirit because once you get into that you're out of the kingdom. Church boards are into this all the time. Sandbagging and plotting and scheming and conniving.

Oh, yeah. Typical worldly stuff goes on in the world goes on the churches, and it is all the flesh. It's of the flesh. It's not of the Christian nature at all the kingdom of God's not in the kingdom so.

One of your first jobs Andrew will be when you're pastoring will be very sweetly beginning to introduce the people to the idea that this envy and Taking sides taking sides is a simple way of talking about one of these.

I don't which one it is. But it's taking sides faction factionalism you have to very sweetly tell them that it's just as bad as profanity and More destructive to the church than profanity is but it has to be easy because this has been the Christian mo For 2 ,000 years.

This is the way denominations are full of politics inviting. Backbiting throat cutting goes on all the time and yet these are all good people that have been called of God and give their lives for the gospel.

It's just amazing. It's just the older you get there more you realize it is not a black and white world. The you know you'll find people that will be in church factions and yet there are people that have given everything they have for the gospel and yet the Politicking goes on and the buying for preeminence.

We used to call it the clashing of swords the clashing of swords. You can tell when people Come in the churches that are in this Malou. When they're striving for the mastery and you can tell the sword clashing that goes on.

They'll say something nice to you. Oh pastor. This was so nice. Have you ever considered this and boy could just feel that sword coming out? And so the only way to overcome that is to let go of God and Let him hold you there has to be that change of posture and in a Short three-letter word for it is dying because these are all evidences of Adamic life and of course they destroy the witness they destroy the witness.

How many churches have split and and Fight each other the denominations fight each other and they jockey for position. Well, see the world sees this that destroys the testimony so I would never curse and I would never do amphetamines and I would never get drunk and lay in the gutter and all that and Not think twice about gossiping and trying to get people on your side.

I think twice about it. That's really a Neglected area. Shall we say well, you see we have not been this way before. We haven't been this way before we this is new to us. And God is preparing us to stand in the evil day.

And you know, you can just get a church and it's going great Satan. If the people haven't died or on the process that Satan can move right in and split that thing. People get together in their home groups and criticize the pastor or even at lunch in a public restaurant it happens.

Say nothing of it because it's the way we all have done and to recognize how terribly Destructive this is to the work of God and to the witness. Takes a lot of preaching a lot of teaching. There's a verse I could wish I lay my hands on that says the same thing.

Always eludes me. I think it's in. It's in the end of first or second Corinthians. Anyway, Paul is saying when I come again I'll have to bewail the backbiting and the gossiping and the hatred and everything that's going on.

Yeah the first century church. It's just a see it is it is Characteristic of the nature of demons. That's what the demon world is. It's constant Criticizing gossiping jockeying for position hatred dissension.

That's the demon world and In the Christian religion in which the people are spiritual babies. They demonstrate the demon world. And the church is a fact. I'd like to say one brief thing. No, Audrey will I blow it if I tell about Diane's vision that's so apropos.

Should I go ahead about the wheelchair. Maybe I better say that maybe Audrey's gonna All right. But anyway, it was just something we got tonight that Diane had a vision not of this church. But of the church at large and there were two things in the vision.

You couldn't put them together. One was wheelchairs. What was the other one?

And they had a choice to make whether to see. The Lord said the game is the game is over I'm not playing. The game is over and now they have a choice whether to lay paralyzed in their chair or to speak.

Yeah, it's it's going through the whole body of Christ this this change. It's going through the whole body of Christ and this has been I dare say of all the weapons of Satan this this. Hatred is so look at the attention Paul pays to it.

He could have summed it up in one word and said hatred or jealousy or or selfish ambition. But look at look at he's talking about things the acts of the sinful nature hatred discord jealousy fits a rage selfish ambition to sentience factions and envy.

And they're kissing cousins they they just that's the nature of the Adamic man, that's the way he is and We can't we can go just so far in our religion. But that is so strong in us. You know, you think you're making good headway and then something comes up and catches you from left field comes in off a Blindside you and the first thing, you know, you're caught in the middle of some envious wrangle of some kind.

And it just blindsides you that's all. And so religion can only take you so far. We used to say as Brother Dowell's I guess Idea, which is a good way to picture it in number is that in religion you can go from 1 to 9.

But if you want to go beyond 9 you have to become 0 1 and 0 so. That's very true. That's very true religion can take you up to 9. But if you want to go on to what God is calling for today, you have to be willing to go through this transition of Letting God take hold of your hand and that is trust that's called trust.

Faith, Trust, and the Dark Night of the Soul

In faith see faith and trust are different. Faith is what? The victory. Faith is the victory that overcomes the world and when you're on top of it and you have faith you're kind of in control. That's why the big faith and prosperity movement is to put the Christian in control.

Never mind if he's righteous and I just put him in control and you do it with faith. That's not trust. Trust is when God takes hold of your hand and you lose control of the program and It's and that's the zero that you becoming zero and until that happens.

God cannot get at that that. That Basic nature that we have it runs even deeper than in morality. Yes. Yes experience. It's just that way you have to go through it and experience it when you go through a real long hard place that may be Three or four years or longer in duration and when you're older and more mature and God can trust you with that without Losing you you'll see what I mean the Classically it's called the dark night of the soul.

You may have heard that expression. Well, you can read about it, but it's something to be experienced and when you're there your faith. You just don't have faith. All that you have is trust which is a kind of a hanging on it is hang on then when God speaks and Restores faith to you.

It's altogether different. You just know things are going to be. All right, you're in control again. You're in control again. Faith is the victory that overcomes the world. But trust you find in Isaiah 12 where you're talking about the feast of tabernacles.

Not I will have faith. I will trust and not be afraid and faith and trust are quite different and when you're brought through a real hard place. You won't have faith that you will not be in control. You just have to hang on and trust that God is true.

That's not for that's for the senior citizens, that's not for the beginners but You'll experience it in your own way when things get beyond your control. See then you have a choice to make don't you? You're either going to manipulate and scheme and try to work things around or you're going to trust God.

That is not easy. Because it requires you're letting go of God's hand and God taking hold of your hand and you think what if he doesn't take hold? You know. What if he was what if he doesn't? God has taught me these things by several different experiences.

One of them had to do with anxiety. I had a severe bout of Anxiety that lasted about two years and it came on just as I was finishing up the doctoral program at the University of Rochester. And I was very severe Anxiety and the psychiatrist did what he could and the GP did what he could but that Kills don't really do it for you.

They help they're like crutches. And I of course I couldn't sleep well, and I was taking salmonex or something like that and how is it was a nightmare? I swear it was a nightmare when I wake up in the morning I was wishing it was a night, so I go to sleep when I was at night I just wish it was morning, so I get up you've got to be there to appreciate that but anyway I was just going through.

God did not heal me did not heal me and I was doing everything I knew to do quote scripture. Just hanging on keep it on a going and one night. Well, it was morning was about two o 'clock in the morning I had my bottle of salmonex there and everything about two o 'clock in the morning.

And I was going through this that's when it hits you real bad and free-floating fears. And I felt like I was just falling just falling falling falling falling falling falling falling like that and I landed on a rock and The minute that happened.

I knew I was healed. I Was healed God that was one of the things that God used to Break my grip on him and to lose control but I was healed after that the symptoms stayed on of insomnia and Nervousness laid on for maybe they began to abate from that.

I knew I was healed because I've been healed before physically and I know you know when you're healed I mean the faith just comes and I knew I was on the rock. And I knew they weren't going to carry me out of the house in a straitjacket.

Which I was very much afraid of. I was afraid of what the neighbors would think. But I'd been in the I've been to visit relatives and one of the institutions there that were Mental institutions, and I knew what it was like and I'd come to grips with that.

But it still is a nagging fear in the back of my mind when I hit that rock. I knew Nobody's going to touch me. I was out of that. It was so bad at one point that Audrey was happy to stay with me when I ate and pray and I was praying.

One mouthful at a time. So you get a mouthful down when I get a mouthful down. I Was losing weight big-time. Get a mouthful down spoonful down. It was severe anxiety and. But God healed me two o 'clock in the morning.

I asked the difference between faith and trust. I was just holding on trusting God. Nothing I could do is beyond my powers. Just trusting. I didn't quit on God. Trusting God, but when that faith came the victory was there no more somnolence.

I didn't need it anymore. I just knew I was here. Let's happen to me and other in physical areas, you know when you've got faith. You can't drum up faith people are crazy when they say oh, just get fake just believe believe you can't you soulish man.

Can't believe faith comes from God. It's supernatural. And it comes into your spirit and you know when you've got it, you know when you don't. That's why I'm interested Bible school, you know try to get people here I believe I believe God get ready to move just get ready to step out of faith and all that I'll tell you who describes that beautifully is the visitation and pretty.

Describes a person coming up in the Pentecostal ranks and if it isn't typical Oh Lord, all the Bible school prophecies and prayers and all that. It's not God, but God loves his kids just like we love babies.

He loves his little children just like we love babies and I think they're you know. Some big man of faith and power and they have don't have any idea what faith is. Faith when faith for healing comes it's like a Mack truck.

I mean you got it. You don't have to say I believe or anything is there. So anyway, there's a big difference. Are there any more questions on Galatians 5 19 through 21? That's very critical. Paul says those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God.

Scripture, Kingdom, and the Need for Expository Preaching

I don't know where people come up with this eternal security and all this stuff, but they sure don't read their book. They sure don't read the book. It makes you wonder how they deal with a scripture like this, doesn't it?

How do they deal in the grace message with a scripture like this? How did it tell us Colleen? How do they do it? I See, but I wonder how they justify it because the same preacher will declare that he believes in the full verbal inspiration of the Bible.

I mean he'd go to the stake for that. Never deny the Bible. But he won't. And the word of the person. Wouldn't it be great if they'd read the Bible preach the Bible and just say what it says and say amen.

Think of what a difference it would make in the Christian Church if the ministers would do that. That's called expository preaching. Will you take the pastor and you explain the passages just explain why you don't reason around it just say this is it.

You have to say amen to every word of God. Yes.

Okay, so the idea there is that salvation and the kingdom of God are two different things I say.

Okay, you could reason it away now. How many know the difference between? Inductive and Deductive reasoning. You don't know. I see I see a lot of negatives. Well, it's very so. Did anyone want to explain it?

Inductive is where you have an idea and go look for the facts of the Bible. And deductive is to take the facts from the Bible and come up with the idea. I got it reversed.

You got it reversed but it's alright. In deductive reasoning you take a verse. Like I think it's John 5 27 where it says if any man will hear my word believe in him that sent me He shall not come into condemnation but passes from death into life.

That is a prime axiom of evangelical teaching. Then they take that verse. I think it's I think it's John 5 23 or 27 so many men hear my word and believe on him who sent me he shall not come under condemnation.

But has passed from death in the life. Then that's made an axiom and then from there. Do you make deductions for example? Since that's true. No Christian will be judged. It shall not come under condemnation but shall pass from death in the life and.

Well, you can build up you take three or four of these and you can build you know. For by grace you say through faith that out of yourselves and you build axioms here and then you deduce from that your philosophy of Religion and that's what evangelicals have done.

It's purely deductive and what you were describing is deductive reasoning see they and you also see there are certain things. They believe their axioms. And then you can't perceive the other because it doesn't fit the axiom.

Inductive reasoning is the way you have to approach the Bible. You build truth by taking everything that said so you're constantly Building on your store of truth and every time you come to a new truth you adjust your your understanding of God.

That's called an inductive reasoning. Now if you knew every verse and It has amen to it you would have the full body of truth because there are many seeming inconsistencies in the Bible for example the famous free will versus Predestination see which seems that like it's absolutely opposed a car.

But when you take the whole things that yes, it's up to you. Yes. It's by predestination. I don't understand it big deal who you God or something. You gotta understand everything. No, I don't understand it that cuts No eyes, I know you you can.

You can choose choose you this day. I know that God you can't come to Christ unless he chooses you. I know those are both true. Today, I can't figure it out. It doesn't make any difference in inductive.

If you're going to approach the Bible inductively you say yes, that's true. Yes, that's true. Everything else is true. It's all true and when you get it together and then you live with it for about 40 years It all begins to make sense.

You say that's right. It's it's your choice. But it's Christ who's working in you to make that choice, but it's still your choice. Can I choose? Yes. But you won't choose unless God moves in you to choose.

It's kind of tricky, but it's all true. You you cannot. It's God the Holy Spirit has inspired the Bible word by word and you can go from one translation to another and Honestly, they're all saying the same thing.

There are a few little things like going from Westcott and whore to the One from how much the King James the text is receptus, but it's not really material. The basic truth is all the same so the truth is If you live like that if you live with hatred towards someone.

Blood on your hands. That's blood on your hands discord. There are people I swear That when everything could be harmonious, it's like they're trying to start an argument, you know, I'm pretty like that.

They're argumentative and they just they're not happy unless they're arguing. They have a spirit of discord. They're not making peace. They're making Discord there are people like that Jealousy that's being envious of someone now that will operate Kingdom wide and the big Kingdom sense it will operate in the local church.

You get you a little piece of porridge. It doesn't mean a thing in the world view and the people are in there jockeying for position and arguing criticizing one another and everything and Like little bubbles in oatmeal or one bubbles up and the other bubbles up.

That's the way it goes. That's what churches are. All right, Brian says he's an old hand at this by now, all right now. Fits of rage. Fits of rage. Are you a person given to fits of rage put your fist through the drywall?

Okay selfish ambition now Ambition. I mentioned that as being the source. This is the bottom thing. So I'm we've got our hand on God is because we're in control. We've got Something we're trying to do and you know something that religion the Christian religion works a great extent on ambition and God uses it.

He uses all these things. He used them said how could he use them and and still I don't inherit the kingdom because he's hoping you change. But if God waited till everyone was perfect to use them nothing get done.

So he's a simple people in the hopes that we will all bounce on one another until we improve. That's the way it goes. Yes. But Yeah. Another another verse to add to our body of truth. He's not you know, the simply Jesus that's presented today.

He's a hard master, but he's also a loving Shepherd. But which one is right both are right there in the Bible are right period. That's why he's called the Amen. All right now selfish ambition we Ambition by its nature is selfish unless it's you know, unless you're an unusual person.

That's what got Satan into trouble. What did I say it leads to supplanting. Yeah, you want to bump someone over and we had a dog like that. The dog's name singularly enough was Joshua, but I had nothing to do with this.

Now it came to us was given to us because people had been very cruel to it and the dog was really a basket case emotionally. But they want to get rid of it and they gave it to us and we were very kind to it because we were great animal lovers, but We had another dog my two dogs Joshua's Came in where there was a well-established dog of a good nature and a tolerant nature so this other dog would try to come up, you know to us or anything and Joshua bump this other dog out of the way had to be number one.

I didn't mean number one and this would happen all the time. We're paying attention to our old dog Jenny or Joshua get right in the middle there and so we refer to that as a Joshua and I refer to that as the Joshua syndrome and and you'll see that sometimes in people they They want to be first.

I just want to be noticed. Go right in there. Well, that's what we have to watch out for selfish ambition now when the Lord gets in Into the death situation and where he's really Bring us down and shaking off our grip and getting his grip on us.

Then there's there's really no place for ambition because Christ is not ambitious. This isn't there I just is not there people want to do it fine. They want to be first fine. They want to be less fine or in the middle fine.

Well, no, let him have the well but it takes Some dying because that's not true to our to most of us. Well, some of us may be apathetic and lazy and by nature, but I'm talking about people that are normally ambitious.

Yes. It's Not true to the nature of Christ. It's not true to the nature of Christ the more Christ we have the less we're tempted to do that. See, that's where we're going. We're moving toward the stature of the fullness of Christ.

Growing Beyond Comfortable Spiritual Levels

Now that's we're talking about 1999 in the year 2000 this has not been true before God is moving his church forward. Everything's coming together that the wheat's growing and the tares are growing and we have to tell people this do you know one of the major? problems that happens in the Christian Kingdom in the kingdom of God is that people reach a certain level and.

And it's so comfortable. It's like it's like something comes up to a certain level and then God begins to bless it horizontally. See God can bless you verbally vertically and then stop that and just spread out.

Well, it's like way a child grows, you know, they may grow tall all of a sudden and then they've spent a couple of years. They don't get taller. They fill out. I didn't mean out like this. I mean, it's just a Stronger.

Well, that's the way it is in the spirit realm. Is that there will come a time when God is really pressing us for growth and we're? Grappling with God and we're growing and then that kind of a base and he's present we begin to bear fruit and I become known and we have a niche for ourselves where we're known and then the time comes when God wants more vertical movement and we don't want to move and you'd be surprised at how.

What a trap it may not sound I'm talking to you, but it is a tremendous trap you take a minister. Maybe he's he'd become known. Maybe he'd become mr. Pentecost or mr. Tabernacles, whatever. And he's known for that and God says hey, buddy, you know, you've compassed this mountain long enough.

It's time to go on and they can't hear God. They can't hear God. They just vegetate at that level and you can tell you can tell when you talk to him. Hey, you're three years back down the road. Come on.

Let's go. But they can't their nature is such they've lost their their contact and it's pruning. See, you've got to be ready for that. God says change. Okay, we're changing. Everything's come behind is great.

Cool's been very good, but I won't do anymore. It's yesterday's manna and we're on so if you're going to make. I remember one time Audrey and I were in a church. We've been there for a while and There was a prophetic presbytery there I mean they were powerful one of them was shocked.

David shocked and there was others of that. You know who really had the stuff and boy they were coming down with the Word of the Lord. It was strong and they prophesied over. The pastor and they said you're to spread out you're to spread out you're to spread up and he did I mean he tremendous things that he has done and When in an orgy or not, they laid hands up.