150,000 People Die Every Day, Do You Care? — Mark Cahill

And, you know, sadly, the truth of the matter is, if we lined up a whole bunch of teenagers that love Jesus Christ, and we lined up a whole bunch of adults who say they love Jesus Christ, and then we looked at how much you're sharing your faith in Jesus Christ, there's a lot of high schoolers that would make us look like fools for Jesus Christ as adults, okay?

Pleasing God Rather Than People

Because they don't wrestle with as much as we do that fear factor of pleasing other people. Galatians 1 .10 says, are you here to please men, or are you here to please God? And the whole implication of Galatians 1 .10 is you can't do both.

You gotta make a decision, ladies and gentlemen. You gotta make one or the other. You're either gonna please God with your life, and when you please God with it, you won't please all men with your life.

But if you please men with your life, you can be rest assured you will not be pleasing God with your life as well. So the whole point is you have to make a decision at some point and do that. Teenagers, I find, all the time, Randy, that they just make that decision, they go for it, literally taking their campuses for Jesus Christ.

So that's what we're gonna talk about is to make sure what holds us back, but then make sure we step out and do the exact same thing, all right? So I'm gonna give you some things to think about. First one I want you to think about is time.

The Urgency of Eternity

I want you to think about time, okay? Every second, two people die, okay? By the time you put your head on your pillow tonight, if the Lord allows you to, another 150 ,000 people taking their last breath, walked off into eternity, heaven or hell as we speak, okay?

So simple question for you, priority associates, do you care about those two people that just died? But a much, much, much tougher question, do you care enough to do something about where those two people are gonna spend eternity that just died?

Because we sit here, two more people just died, and two more people just died, and people are walking off into eternity, and yet we don't have that urgency, okay, to strike up a conversation with either one of those two ladies working behind the counter right here that are giving coffees to the Phoenix people, okay?

Or we'll go through a gas station and not even stop and chat with somebody at a gas station on our way over here today, but as we sit here, two more people just died, and two more people just died, and if you're born again and saved, what's it gonna take for God to get your full and complete attention that I've got to care about all these lost souls that are walking through planet Earth?

The cross is the proof God cares about lost people, is that correct? Oh, the cross is proof he cares about lost people, the question only is gonna be when is Mark gonna start caring about lost people?

About a year and a half ago, two years ago at the University of Georgia, a student was rock climbing with his buddies, lost his hands, his hands, he falls off the side of the mountain, the clip held, hits the side of the mountain, he's just dangling there, dead as can be, 18-year-old student, eternity, just like that, gone.

I was speaking about a year later in Montgomery, Alabama at a banquet, and I told this story. A lady walks up to me afterwards, and she said, hey, you know the story of the young man at Georgia that died in the rock climbing?

I said, yes, ma 'am. She said, that's one of our relatives. I said, really? I said, how you doing? She said, we just miss this boy so much. He was just one of those kids that could just light up a room when he walked in, just had all that energy.

But let me tell you something about him. In high school, he committed his life to Jesus Christ. He boldly shared his faith in Jesus Christ with all of his friends in high school. He went to the University of Georgia, boldly stood up for God and Jesus Christ.

And you know what? We miss this kid so much, but we know where he's at. Isn't that the hope we have as Christians, yes or no? It's the hope we have. I had a real good friend die this past year, but I know where he's at.

He just beat me to the throne is all it was. He got there quicker than I did is all it is. I'm not even the least bit saddened for this man. Dreams come true on that day if you truly believe in Jesus Christ and God like that.

But see, what are we doing to reach people before they walk out of here? Because you might be a 21-year-old student walking on some ice in Wisconsin, and the son of an offensive coordinator for the Green Bay Packers is a 20-year-old boy in eternity just like that, died a couple days ago.

The question's not that the 21-year-old boy died a couple days ago. Where is he right now? Because he's still alive. Never forget that. Every time you drive past a cemetery, we wanna talk about people being dead.

But remember, death in the Bible means just the beginning to the other side. That's all it means. I always tell people they're either alive in heaven or they're alive in hell, one of the two. Or as I always say, they're either alive and well or they're alive in hell, one of the two.

Everyone in the cemetery is still alive. If you've had a friend or relative or maybe a coworker, whatever, pass away in the last year, raise your hand, anyone that's passed in the last year, all right?

Yeah, and when we're at that funeral, we always think about death, but death to the world means over. Peter Jennings is dead, Michael Jackson's dead, Elizabeth Taylor's dead. No, no, no, they're still alive.

They're either alive in heaven or they're alive in hell, one of the two, all right? Today's Thursday, so tomorrow at 2 .45 on Friday afternoon, just give me a nod of a head. If any of you will have any plans for the weekend, you think by 2 .45 on a Friday afternoon, just nod your head if you think you'll have any plans for the weekend, okay?

Yep, I fly to Indiana tomorrow. I'll go speak this weekend up there and stuff. So most of us have plans by 2 .45 in the afternoon. Last year at 2 .45 in the afternoon, the Earth shook in Japan. We all thought that 9 .1 quake was gonna be the big deal, but that wasn't the big deal.

What was the big deal? Those tsunamis, and we've seen the pictures, we've watched the YouTube videos and stuff, but if you keep following the whole story, it's actually, the tsunami's actually not the big deal.

Anyone know what the big deal is? It's the nuclear reactors, it's Fukushima. They've had three complete total meltdowns. Anyone remember Chernobyl from back in the 80s? They're saying a much worse disaster than Chernobyl.

But because our society is moving at such a quick pace, we're moving quick. That story's only like eight months ago, but it seems like it was years ago, doesn't it? Because it's just the next story, the next.

Now we're in political season. All of a sudden, things go so fast, we don't even slow down and think, but if you go to any Japanese sites, literally the radiation that's coming out of those things is literally killing people over there.

But we're not hearing, because it's not currently on our news. But one of the stories from the tsunami was, if you watch the YouTube videos, you can hear the tsunami warnings going off in the background.

You can hear the sirens going off, and that's what we talk about out of Ezekiel 33, is we're supposed to warn people trouble's coming. We need to warn people they're gonna stand in front of God with their choice what to do with the warning.

Because people didn't have to listen to the tsunami warnings. They could have stayed in their house and just enjoyed the water coming up, I guess, but it was up to their choice what they wanted to do.

But one of the stories from over there, this couple was in a house. He heard the tsunami warning and said, let's get out of here. So they start going up. All of a sudden, he says, wait a minute. I want to get something from my house.

And he turns back around. Well, that was the first problem. What has your hands? What are you holding on so tight to that holds you back from just being sold out for the most high God and his son, Jesus Christ?

What is it? Is it a job? Is it a dollar bill in this economy? Is it tickets to a game you just won't release because it's got your hand? What's got you back? That the moment you die, whatever's in your hands right there will not matter the moment you die.

I wrote it in one of my books. If it doesn't matter the day you die, it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter, okay? So what you need to release to let it go so you're gonna be serving God like you want to in your lifetime, okay?

Think about that as you wrestle in the next few weeks what you're gonna do for the Lord. Well, they go back to the house. That's when the tsunami hit, all right? They never found his wife. In one part of Japan, the tsunami went six miles inland.

So the next time you're sitting at a beach somewhere, think about that water. It's not a wave. The whole ocean rises is what a tsunami is. Think about that water rising up and literally going six miles inland.

Just think about that for a second. But then what's gonna happen to the water? Yeah, it's gonna recede back out. Well, they found this gentleman on the top of his roof. They found him 10 miles out in the ocean.

That's where they found him. A plane was going by, saw him on top of his roof 10 miles in the ocean. They sent a Coast Guard cutter out there. They picked that guy up. And as I was reading the article, he made a very interesting statement in the article.

He said, I knew today was gonna be my last day to be alive. That's what he said in the article. But yet my Bible says in Daniel chapter five that I as God hold your breath in the palm of my hand. Well, you can't take a last breath until God says so.

And the moment God says so and it's snatched away and gone, that's it. We don't get a do-over. We don't get a mulligan. We don't get a second chance. One shot at this crazy little place called Earth.

And once you're a Christian, what are you doing for God that's gonna have eternal value and do that? So think about if your life, anyone a little bit older and life went by pretty quick? Anybody there?

I mean, my goodness, I turned 50 in two months. I turned 50. I was trying to figure out, I was thinking about this today. Where in the world did 50 years on planet Earth just go? I mean, my goodness. You know what I'm talking about.

And it just goes by so fast. You know better than me, actually. But it just goes by so fast. But what are you doing that's gonna have eternal value the moment you stand in front of God, all right? Now, need a verbal response, okay?

Do you believe hell is a real place? Yes. So you believe hell is an actual real place that people can really go to for all of eternity, yes or no? Yes. Okay, if you believe that, and you have to hold that position with a biblical worldview, that means you can never ask yourself the question, how can I witness to this person?

The only question asked, how can I not witness to this person? How can I not take the time to share with Neil, the Catholic gentleman that I sat next to going to Maryland last week? How can I not share with Dan, my waiter the other night, hour and a half conversation on is there a God?

He was an atheist. Atheist, last Saturday in Maryland. He fired questions at me for an hour and a half, and then he tells me, oh, by the way, today is my last night working. It was his last day there.

He's leaving Wednesday. Yesterday, they moved to Manhattan, and I almost did not go to that restaurant on Saturday evening. I was so tired from the travel up. But I prayed for God to order my steps, order my feet, so I meet the right people.

Even Dan, the atheist, said, you know what? You and I are supposed to be talking tonight. Even he knew that, okay? But see, once I know hell is a real place, that means I really wanna stop people from going anywhere near that when they take their last breath and walk out of here.

You've heard about near-death experiences. People flatline and see white lights in tunnels. You heard about those, yes or no? During my times of witnessing, I have now met 28 different people who flatlined, who got the hell experience and not the heaven experience.

It's a very real place. I played college basketball at Auburn with Charles Barkley years ago. His younger brother flatlined. End of his, trees on fire, ground smoldering around the trees, lake of fire in front of him.

Literally said he could feel the intense heat off that lake of fire. Ever heard of a lake of fire before, folks? Matthew 25, Book of Revelation. I've had more people tell me they see this lake of fire when they die.

Two EMTs pulled a guy out of a car. They're pumping on his chest. He starts screaming, EMT, they can't figure out what's going on. They just keep pumping, though. Fire, fire, flames, flames. Flatlines and dies.

Both EMTs, both atheists, both said they could smell a burning sulfur smell as the man flatlined and died. Both atheists would tell you they knew it was supernatural and they knew it was hell. They both knew it was, okay?

I've heard that burning sulfur from more than one person. Craziest story I ever heard from a lady, her husband died. They paddled, he died, nothing worked. Pulled the wires out, wheeled him off in a gurney, left him in a hallway, he was dead.

Ready for this? 15 minutes later, whoop, he sits up on the gurney. 15 minutes later, all right? Four and a half minutes, your brain's what? Yeah, it's toast, it's history. Completely fine, lived years later.

Told his wife he went down a dark tunnel. I have heard this from more than one person. Not this white light, a dark tunnel. Vapor fog, could see and hear people screaming in hell. I almost always hear people tell me about the screams they hear from people in hell.

Down, down, all of a sudden, shoo, two hands of light grabbed him. Told his wife later he knew it was Jesus, the light of the world had shown him. I have heard this from more than one person. They didn't think it was Jesus, hope it was Jesus, mighta, shoulda, coulda been Jesus, they knew it was Jesus Christ.

Priority associate, do you know it's Jesus Christ? The only hope for Atlanta is Jesus Christ. The only hope for America is Jesus Christ, okay? The only hope for America is not a better economy, okay? Not a new president, not an old president, not a white president, not a black president, not a Hispanic, Asian president.

The only hope for America is Jesus Christ. Do you understand that? And if you believe that, you hold the keys to America in your hands. You actually hold the keys to America in your lips, the question is are you gonna walk out and share Jesus Christ and watch him literally change lives in front of you or will you keep that to yourself?

So I asked the lady what happened. All of a sudden grabbed him, pulled that man up, up, up, up, up, hit the top of the tunnel and that's when he sat up on the gurney 15 minutes later. So she told me, she asked her husband the question, honey, what was the worst part to that experience?

You think it's anything I just mentioned? Not what the man said. The man said the worst part to the whole experience was, ready for this? He couldn't bring anybody out of there with him. Oh my, my, what do you know from the story of Rich Man and Lazarus, Luke 16?

Once judgment's set, heaven or hell, you shall be there forever and ever and ever and there's no what? Crossing over from one side to the other. So one, are you sure you're born again and saved? The Bible says test yourself, examine yourself, prove that you have the faith.

This isn't a game. Alabama, LSU's a game. One on one with God is not a game. It's as serious business as it gets, okay? So make sure one, you're born again and saved. Then two, who are you bringing with you to a place called heaven?

Matter of fact, you have no biblical right to go to heaven by yourself. You have the biblical command to go into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature. I never wanna, I don't wanna go to heaven by myself at all.

I don't wanna go by myself. I want tons and tons of people for the throne of God at the wedding supper of the lamb. I want a full house. Don't you want a full house? You want a full house, but it's our job to invite people to come and always remember, it's their choice what to do with the invitation.

They don't have to go, okay? I got offered World Series tickets a couple years ago. I said no, I didn't wanna go. I didn't wanna travel. I've been traveling too much and stuff and I just didn't wanna go.

Okay, so what? Okay, but at least they invited me. Wouldn't it have been worse though if I found out they all went and didn't invite me? See, that would have been the worst part, right? Yeah, that would have been the worst part, you see?

But see, once you just, all we do is invite. That's what witnessing is. We invite people to come. Their choice what to do with that, but time is precious. It's ticking by and our focus is on something else instead of what it needs to be on and once I'm focused on that cross of Jesus Christ, I'm automatically focused on lost people.

Can't wait to hit an airport tomorrow to see who I'm gonna run into, who I'm gonna engage, what are the stories gonna be tomorrow that I get a chance to plant a seed, okay? That's what we're gonna talk about as we open up the Word.

So let's pray. Father, we thank you so much. You're just an awesome God, a wonderful God. Thank you so much for all you've done in my life and just the changes, the challenges you've given me, Father.

But now let's take that and let's bring this out to the marketplace in Atlanta, Father God. We need an urgency. As we hear that siren that just went by, there's an urgency for a firefighter. They have to get there.

They have to get the people out of that house. They have to save those people so they don't die. But why don't we have that same exact urgency, Father God, that we know we have coworkers and friends in the same waiter and waitress at the same place we go to all the time.

We know they don't know the Lord. We know they're throwing their lives away. And yet we won't have that spiritual conversation we need to have. Father, let today be a life-changing day for people, for all of us, that all of us are gonna walk back out those doors bolder than we walked in.

So we're gonna thank you for that. Father, glorify your name and we ask it in the great name of your Son, Jesus Christ, amen. Amen, Mark 16, if you have your Bible, Mark 16, verse 15. Couple simple verses, just gonna go through.

The Great Commission and the Call to Proclaim the Gospel

So Mark 16, verse 15. And he said, this is Jesus speaking, okay? So Mark 16, verse 15 for all you phone folks and doing that, okay? And he said unto them, go ye into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature.

Go means do not stay. It means get up and go. It means go and meet somebody. It might be a woman at the well. You might be chatting with this afternoon, but it might be a story we're gonna hear about for 2 ,000 years later.

See, Jesus could have spent his afternoon just getting watered. He was tired from the journey, but he was in the middle ready for a conversation. Literally, we have the most amazing story in John chapter four because he was going out into all the world, wherever people hang out at, okay?

And preach, the word preach there doesn't mean preacher. It just means to speak. It means to proclaim. It just means to open up your mouth is all the word means, all right? The gospel, what's the word gospel mean?

Good news. Okay, 2012 America, don't we need some good news? We need some good news, so we need good news. We have the good news, but it's beyond good. It's actually great news and do that, okay? And to every creature, why do we speak to every person?

Because every person needs Jesus Christ. And once you realize every person needs Jesus Christ and we've got Jesus Christ, you want to engage those conversations and do that. I was in Orlando, Florida a couple years ago for something and I played college basketball with Charles Barkley.

So hanging out with Barkley is something. Well, Tiger Woods happened to be there as well. And so when I was hanging out with Barkley and Tiger, we were actually on a golf course, I started walking with Tiger.

I said, Tiger, I always wanted to ask you a question. He said, go for it. I said, Tiger, I said, when you die, I said, what do you think's on the other side? What do you think's out there when you walk out?

He literally stops dead square in his tracks, stares up at me and says, I don't know. And it struck up a 10 or 12 minute conversation on the topic of God. Why? I care about his soul. Now, when I started the conversation, was I nervous?

Yes or no? Yeah, very simple statement. Make sure you let your love of God trump your fear of man. Very simple. I repeat this to myself on the streets many times. I'll repeat it to myself. I guarantee it's warm at Atlanta airport.

Mark, make sure you let your love of God trump your fear of man. I deal with fear of men issues. I deal with worrying what people think about me in people's eyes. None of us like rejection and all that stuff, but I want to make sure my love of God trumps my fear of man, okay?

Because I do love God. I do deal with the issue of fear of men, but you know what? My love has to trump that, okay? And so one of the things my book will show you is some other books as well. I just walk people through the 10 commandments so they can see their sin because a lot of people want to know why the cross.

See, many people are going to tell you, well, Jesus is fine for you because Muhammad's fine for them and Buddha's fine for them and Confucius is fine for them, but why the cross? But always remember, a sinner understands a savior.

A savior makes more sense to a sinner because once you know you've sinned, you want to know how to get rid of that sin. Does that make sense? Right, so once we go to the doctor's office, you have a problem, whatever the problem is, what's the next thing you want to know?

What's the solution to get rid of the problem, okay? So I just walk people through the 10 commandments. So I asked a tiger, I said, you ever told a lie before? He said, yeah. I said, what does it make you?

He said, a liar, all right? Now, a lot of people will say sinner, will say human, something like that. So I just go, if you murder, you're a murderer. If you rape, you're a rapist. If you tell a lie, you'd be what?

Liar, let them say liar, okay? I said, tiger, you ever stole something before? He said, yeah. I was about to say, what does that make you? But you always keep eye contact, okay, with people. His whole face, literally, his face contorted, it popped.

He took a half step back. He was trying to get out of the conversation. The Bible says the law's written on your what? Heart, you see, I was in his business in two questions because that's what the law does.

It brings conviction, exactly what the scriptures say. But Galatians 3 says the law will carry you unto the cross is what it says, all right? I saw what was happening, so I just went around it. I said, you know what, tiger, it makes all of us a thief.

Now, isn't that correct? Yeah, see, I don't talk down to people. I talk with people. They're no different than us except for the grace of God. And aren't you thankful for the grace of God? Aren't you thankful for the blood of the cross, the Lord Jesus Christ?

It's my only hope. I have no hope beyond that, trust me, all right? So it keeps you talking with. So I said, you know, tiger, it makes all of us a thief. All of a sudden, he puts his foot back. Ever lusted in your heart before?

I said, yeah. I said, Jesus said, even looking upon a woman with lust is the same as committing what? Adultery. Ever been angry with somebody? He said, yeah. I said, anger without cause is the same as committing what?

Murder, Jesus says. I do prison minister work. I've wound up on death row a few times, and every murder I met, anger first. Shot and killed their wife over something. Anger first, knife the buddy over, dice game.

Just a couple days ago, going to Atlanta Airport on the MARTA train, sat next to a guy who spent 48 years in prison for murder. 48 years in prison for murder. He spent out two years. He's 75 years old.

He spent out two years. But something happened along the way. He got saved in prison. Can you get saved? Can God forgive murder? You'll get to meet Moses and David one day who were forgiven of murder, okay?

He can forgive it. You never wanna walk down that road. It doesn't take the punishment away. He had to spend all those years in jail, but he was very thankful what Jesus Christ did, okay? So I said, Tiger, you just told me by God's standard, keep pointing to God, you'd be a liar, a thief, an adulterer, and a murderer.

Would you be guilty or not guilty on Judgment Day? What did he say? Guilty. I said, would that mean heaven or would that mean hell? What did he say? Hell, okay. Now, I can't remember if I asked him this, but I always ask people, does that bother you that you're going to hell?

And it's a good question to ask. I don't mind ruining your day a little bit if your eternity's about to be ruined, okay? No problem with it, okay? But you can say that in a loving way because I'm about to give you a solution.

And I can't remember if I asked him that or not, okay? And all of a sudden, we end up getting cut off for a certain reason. We were at a commercial shoot for Nike, but he had to go do some more stuff.

Barkley was done, so we were leaving. We're cut off. So right when I get to the good stuff, right, the cross, we're literally cut off. Within one week, Tiger came up here for a golf tournament in Atlanta.

Within one week, three different people who found out about the conversation got to finish where I got stopped at. They got to finish with the cross, the blood, the resurrection. One was a high school kid.

He was an FCA kid up here. He was a little bit older now. He graduated from, played football at Georgia. But he ran into Tiger downtown at something. But he was a kid I met in high school who boldly shared in high school, boldly witnessed at Georgia.

Then he ran into Tiger, so he boldly witnessed at Tiger as well. Close to Bible say, Paul planted, Apollos watered, but God gives the increase. So I just did as much as I could. I wanted to go farther with Tiger, but you just get what you can get, right, and do that.

But isn't God gracious enough to bring the one behind that, okay? But see, they know we care about them because we go into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature, okay? Matthew chapter four, verse 19.

Fishing for People Through Personal Conversations

Matthew 4, 19, a verse you've all heard. Jesus speaking, says, and he saith unto them, follow me and I will make you wealthy beyond your dreams. Okay, I went to Auburn, let me try that again, okay? I said, follow me and I'll make you healthy all the days of your life.

Follow me and I'll make sure your kids are healthy and they get a full hope scholarship one day to college. Follow me, I'll make sure your bank account is full when the economy goes down. He never says any of this stuff.

He says, come follow me, I'll make you what? Fishers of men, why? It's the highest call in life. There is no higher call in life than fishing for lost people. Jesus said, I came to seek and to save those who are lost, okay, and people who are lost need directions, is that right?

I'm in the Baltimore airport on Monday flying out. I saw someone get off a plane. They're looking around for, you know, the TVs and where they're going. So I said, hey, can I help you out? Okay, it's not my airport, but I don't know, I can help people, give them directions, right?

Yeah, and gave them directions, help them go with that. It was amazing. Then you get into a spiritual conversation, because people get lost, right? I was in the Tokyo airport a year and a half ago, and I was lost as I'll get out of the Tokyo airport, okay, but someone helped me out, got me going where I needed to go.

Don't we need to help people out spiritually? Get them headed in the right direction where they need to go in a conversation, a question, a book, a seed that's planted can do that. You'll be amazed how God can use that in people's lives.

I was about a year and a half ago flying to Newark for something, and the guy next to me, Darren, we're talking back and forth, and he worked for the CIA. So I kept asking him all these questions he couldn't answer.

It was a lot of fun, and I kept trying to pick his brain on deeper stuff, but I guess I didn't have a high enough security clearance or anything, and so we couldn't talk about some of that stuff. So we're talking back and forth, and didn't have an answer.

We start talking, well, then he tells me he's an agnostic. Now, a good thing to remember, remember two things here. When you're sharing your faith in Jesus Christ, if you learn this one simple thing here, you'll be ahead of 90 of all people when it comes to witnessing.

Sharing your faith in Jesus Christ, okay, it isn't a presentation. Sharing your faith in Jesus Christ is a conversation. Very easy, simple thing to remember. Sharing your faith isn't a presentation. Sharing your faith in Jesus is a conversation.

Jesus had a conversation with the woman at the well, the rich young ruler. Paul had a conversation with Agrippa, with Felix, okay? So all we do is go out and have conversations, and then during the conversation, we present things during the conversation.

Does that make sense? Okay, can all of us have conversations? Matter of fact, we all do. We have them all the time. Welcome to the business world. But the question is, are we gonna leave them at temporary conversations, or are we ever gonna make these eternal conversations that God can do something to life with, okay?

Watch what happens. He told me it's agnostic. Now, the other thing to remember, if you don't know what a term means in a conversation, just ask him, hey, what do you mean by agnostic? What do you mean by atheist?

What do you mean by Muslim? What do you mean by evolutionist? What do you mean by Christian? That's a good one to ask. You'll get all kinds of answers to that one, all right? So what do you mean by, and as you ask questions, it builds friendship between people, and then you get to get more of the, you get to figure out where you're gonna go in a conversation as they answer.

You see what door opens up, right? So he told me it's agnostic. So we started talking about stuff like that. All of a sudden, Darren looks at me and says, oh, by the way, he said I was on flight 93 on September 11th.

Now, wait a minute. Flight 93 was the plane that went down where? Pennsylvania, where everybody what? Died, but they're all still, they're all still alive. All those people are still alive, 10 years later, somewhere.

They're all still alive. Think about that, okay? So obviously, he wasn't on the plane flight. So I said, what do you mean? Remember, September 11th was a Tuesday. He said the Friday before, his boss called and said, Darren, I need you to get to California a day earlier, okay?

So he switches his flight to flight 93 on September 10th, 2000. It says on my wall, he said, there's a picture frame with a ticket in there. Flight 93, September 11th, 2001, okay? So this is what I said to Darren.

An agnostic basically means he's not sure there's a God. Hasn't seen evidence to push him one way or the others. Most people believe that to me. So this is what I said to Darren. I said, Darren, was that luck?

Was that chance or was that God that kept you off that plane flight? He looked at me and said, yes, yes, yes, okay? I mean, Darren knew something kept him off that plane flight, all right? I said, Darren, the reason God kept you off the plane flight was so you could hear the rest of the story.

And I gave him the rest of the story, the good news of God and Jesus Christ. He loves to read, gave him one of my books and stuff. So you plant the seed in someone's life, then it's their choice what they do with that.

Does that make sense? But see, I can't just, and the other thing to remember is I'm working on a new book and I'm talking about something in there called friendship evangelism. People said, I can't witness to somebody if I don't make friends with them first, all right?