RLL 55 Coral Ridge Presbyterian Church and the LGBT Agenda

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You're listening to radio looks looks looks elicit. I'm your host Steve Matthews. Thanks for joining me for episode 55

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Corridge Presbyterian Church in the LGBT Agenda, so thanks for joining me here late on off.

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Well, I was gonna say late on a Saturday I guess it's really actually early on a Sunday. It's 1230 a .m. On a

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Sunday morning And I'm sure doing is sitting here doing my podcast for the week. And yes,

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I know It's another one of these weeks where I get in doing this later than what I wanted to But thanks to Those who are watching the the live the live stream and for those of you listening the podcast welcome it's great to have you here and Tonight I've got a few things.

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I'd like to talk about but before I get to all of that You know just to kind of kind of get going here

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Yeah, this has been a really very odd week weather -wise where where I am here in in Cincinnati We had a we actually had snow

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Believe it or not snow is on there's the 21st of April. So we had was a more month into spring we had snow on On Wednesday, yeah about two inches of snow overnight on Wednesday And it was on the ground when

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I got up Wednesday morning and about six hours later. It was it was all gone it was all melted and Then the

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Wednesday night Thursday morning, we had it we had freezing temperatures again We actually had a really little light dusting of snow.

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So we had a couple of days of snow this week And then today I Want to go out.

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I want to go right ride my bike. I like to go out and and ride on Saturdays and Sure enough it decides for the third

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Saturday in a row to spend most of the day raining so I didn't get a ride my bike either so I was was kind of disappointed with that, but well, anyway, it was a good day overall and I Got got a lot of stuff done, but I didn't get to my podcast as soon as I wanted to but I'm getting to it

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Now so it's it's great day. I guess what do they say better late than never? Something else here that's kind of interesting that that's coming up very soon our cicadas

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Now, you know if you live in an area of the country maybe that That you we've never had cicadas before yeah, maybe that's not a

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You don't know what that's like now if you've been if you do live in an area We've had cicadas and it's probably tends to be the eastern half of the

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United States I don't need to introduce introduce you to the 17 -year cicadas I don't need to do that because you know what they're like but if you live in a part of the country where you don't get these things or maybe if you're too young to remember the

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Last time they came which was 2004 I Guess the best way

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I can describe them to you is it's kind of like I guess it's kind of like Like a like an

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Old Testament style plague, okay, you know you read about those locust plagues and that that they had in the

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Old Testament I think it's probably something similar to that and and I found an article. It's kind of interesting here.

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It was in a local, Washington, DC television station and they interview an entomologist to somebody who studies insects and she talks a little bit about this and She said that the cicadas will begin to emerge or emerge at the beginning of May so we're maybe about a week or two off from these things coming out and It's kind of interesting here

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She also says that maybe you've seen some small holes a patch of small holes in the ground And these are holes the cicadas are preemptively dug to tunnel through when the ground temperature is just right and apparently

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These cicadas they have to wait until the ground temperature is 64 degrees 8 inches down in the soil and as soon as it hits 64

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BAM these things come out and As this article goes on to say there are millions of these things in just a few acres

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I mean in so that so I mean when you're you're talking about You know, how many cicadas are there in a full cicada infestation with this?

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I don't know this there could be a billion cicadas in the Cincinnati area When this whole thing really gets rolling next month and and the thing about these cicadas is they're pretty big bugs

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They're about the size of your thumb and they got these these really kind of freaky red eyes That's a couple things about them

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They're not aggressive insects. I mean, they don't bite you. They don't sting you. So I mean at least we can be thankful there

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They're not like that but they are really loud and one of the things this

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The entomologist that they interview here says is that these males have this this mating call that they make, you know

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They this kind of scratchy Sound that they make and it says they she estimates here that a male cicada can reach up to a hundred decibels

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So, I mean if you've got millions of these things in a few acres and you've got a bunch of males out there Cranking it out at a hundred decibels.

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These things get pretty loud and that's one of the things that I really remember about the cicadas is just how loud they are and anyway, so they they they do their thing and Usually they they're out of here.

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I don't know. What is it about six weeks or six eight weeks something like that? So thankfully we'll be done with these things.

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I think we should be done with them by the end of June I guess if my memory serves me correctly anyway, but they they are quite memorable and we're on the very cusp of Getting these things.

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So I'm sure I'll be talking about that here sometime in the not too not too distant future all right, so You know,

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I wasn't actually going to talk about the particular subject that I I was I'm going to talk about I hadn't originally planned on doing this.

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I was going to actually talk some about immigration and I wanted to talk specifically about some documents that the

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Roman Catholic Church has produced on immigration and kind of in that I think are very interesting and and I think very enlightening as far as Why the

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Roman Catholic Church works so hard to promote Mass migration immigration and refugee resettlement and there are definite theological reasons why they do that They're erroneous reasons.

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They're false reasons they're rooted in the church's false theology and they're the false theology of the church causes them to take political and economic stances that are also

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Contrary to scripture and I do want to talk about that Lord willing. I hope to be able to talk about that some next week but there's another story that that had caught my mind caught my attention and Actually, I noticed this last week and it's something that I wanted to speak to because I think this is a pretty important issue

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I came across the story actually a bit a bit by accident. There was a At I was just searching internet and I happened to see this this headline, you know

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You've got these kind of like these news aggregators and I was on a I think it was actually at work and I happened to See this this headline and it caught my attention

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I I had to click on it because they the headline read read this It said mayor roasted for honoring church with anti -gay history says he'd do it again

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By the well, that's that's interesting. I wonder what that is. I wonder what church they're talking about.

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So I opened this thing up and It turns out that it's this article was an article on it was on MSNBC But the article itself is actually from the the

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Sun Sentinel. It's a newspaper in Florida In fact, let me go ahead and See if we can share this here just a moment.

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I'm gonna go ahead and get that shared All right. There we go. Yeah, you can see the headline here mayor roasted for honoring church with anti -gay history says he'd do it again

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Well, and I come to find out and I was a little bit shocked to see this But the the church with the the anti -gay agenda according to the headline is actually

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Coral Ridge Presbyterian Church Now just to let you know,

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I I have a little bit of connection with with Coral Ridge Presbyterian Church I was back in in 2006

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For one semester. I was a student at Knox Theological Seminary which is actually literally right across the street right across Federal Highway from the

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Coral Ridge Presbyterian Church campus directly across the street and in Knox Presbytery or Knox Theological Seminary actually reported and I imagine probably still does but I know back in that day it reported it was it was

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Reported to the session of Coral Ridge Presbyterian Church. It was essentially an extension of Coral Ridge Presbyterian Church D.

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James Kennedy was the chancellor of The of Knox Theological Seminary, and of course, he was also the the senior minister at Coral Ridge Presbyterian Church for many many years

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So, let's read read this article a little bit I want to discuss some things because there were there were some things here that that really concerned me and And I'd like to be able to talk through a little bit of this here

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So here's a I'm just gonna read the article here a bit. It says it wasn't just another church that Mayor Dean Trantalis, I'm not sure if I'm saying that right honored last month.

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It was a church He had picketed against 30 years ago over anti -gay rhetoric from its late founder

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That's referring to to D. James Kennedy And for that he's been vilified in recent weeks by the gay press which objected to the mayor honoring

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Coral Ridge Presbyterian Church from the official proclamation on March 16th Trantalis Fort Lauderdale's first openly gay mayor fully expected the backlash

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He told the South Florida Sun -Sentinel on Wednesday, but he would do it all over again Trantalis still recalls all the bad things the church had to say about gay men.

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The church were saying we were child molesters He said that we needed to choose Christ over a hedonism and through conversion therapy.

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We'd be saved They were against same -sex couples gay adoptions You name it, but that was then he says to me building bridges is more important than holding on to old grudges

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Trantalis said and if there's one thing we learned in the past four years The dark side of life does not bring a community forward.

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It only breeds more division and mistrust We need to grow as a society and the only way to do that start talking to one another

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With that in mind Trantalis issued a joint statement with lead pastor Rob Pacienza This week saying that they are intent on building bridges in the spirit of forgiveness and friendship and the article continues here some and Goodness let's see here.

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Oh Yeah, here's here's something else says vice mayor Heather Heather Moraitis who attends

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Coral Ridge Presbyterian Church along with her family requested the proclamation to honor the church's 60th anniversary

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So Coral Ridge was founded in I guess not 1960 1961 and this was the 60th anniversary of the founding of the church and She goes on to say this.

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I understand if there's still some mistrust and reservations about Coral Ridge She said Wednesday. We need to come together and work alongside one another

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I do want to make this the best city for the LGBTQ community to live in To live and to thrive.

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I do believe we can work alongside each other So anyway, what

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I'd like to do is go through and and and break down break a break this down a little bit now

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One thing I do want to say here in advance is I'm not I'm not close to the situation in Going on at Coral Ridge Presbyterian Church.

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I haven't been there for 15 years So what I came across I've come across like I say,

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I found the story by accident And and on top of that, you know, I've done some research on my own

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So, you know from what I've been at what I'm gonna do is relate to you the way things appear to me based upon my research

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Now it's possible. Maybe I've missed something maybe I've misunderstood something but but I I think we can make some some pretty clear statements here about About what's going on?

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I'm I'm willing to take a stand on that. So let's let's let's read. Let's read through here

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You know, one of the things of course that comes to my mind, you know, when I when I read this this particular piece is you know,

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I asked myself has Coral Ridge Presbyterian Church caved into the gay agenda and Based on what

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I'm seeing here in this article and some other articles that I've looked at and though we'll take a look

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At at least one more here as we just as we discuss this but the answer appears to be yes to some degree that they have

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And you know, there's that that paragraph that I just read to you here from the article It says with that in mind

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Trant Alice issued a joint statement with lead pastor Rob pass the ends of this week Saying their intent on building bridges in the spirit of forgiveness and friendship.

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Well You know, I would ask this question, you know When we're in the scriptures, are we ever

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Christians ever called to build bridges? with the wicked Where are they called to seek forgiveness?

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Of those people who practice evil and and the you know, the the homosexual

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Agenda is very clearly anti -christian It's condemned time and time again in the scriptures.

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This isn't something that's it's particularly difficult I mean when you read that that that sentence again, you see this it says with that in mind for Talas issued a joint statement

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With lead pastor Rob pass the ends of this week saying their intent on building bridges in the spirit of forgiveness and friendship now to the mayor and Pastor pass the ends of do they think

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Coral Ridge needs to apologize for the church's past opposition to the homosexual agenda

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Indeed James Kennedy was absolutely right to oppose The the evil of the homosexual agenda, but it certainly seems based on on what's being said here

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That that Coral Ridge does seem to think that there's something that needs to be apologized for now one of the odd things

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About you know, and and I did I did a fair amount of research on this trying to find some statements by Rob Pazienza on on homosexuality and on this proclamation and in his relationship with The mayor

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Dean Trent Alice I couldn't find anything now, you know again, maybe maybe

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I'm missing something Maybe there's something out there that that he's come out and said that that I haven't seen.

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I mean I Did a web search, you know, I searched the The website of the church.

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I went to the church's Facebook page, you know, I just don't see it now Maybe again, maybe there's something out there, but I don't see it anywhere and I would assume that in this article

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They would have at least sought to get a quote from him But it doesn't say that anywhere here

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Well, yeah D James Kennedy was absolutely right to oppose the homosexual agenda There's no question about that You know as Paul wrote to the

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Romans he says and likewise also be men leaving or he this is this is Paul in Romans chapter 1 and and he's talking about the

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The those who practiced evil in his day and he's in Paul said this and likewise also the men

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Leaving the natural use of the woman burned in their lust toward one another men with men working

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Which was which is unseemly and receiving in in themselves that recompense of their error, which was meat

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Now there are lots of passages in Scripture that That very clearly condemn homosexuality.

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We're gonna look at another one later in and in 1st Corinthians chapter 6 You see it in the

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New Testament. You see in the Old Testament the message of the Bible is consistent on this and you don't have to be somebody at the level of St.

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Martin Luther or John Calvin or a Gordon Clark? To to understand this

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I mean this is something that That is is pretty clear And I think that any of us even somebody who you know

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Maybe only knows a little bit about the Bible, but has read the Bible and it has read it Truthfully you can't miss this.

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I mean the Bible condemns the sin of homosexuality And there's no question about that.

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This this isn't hard. This is difficult. You know, the Bible doesn't speak with Out of both sides of its mouth, it's very clear on the issue and there should be no in in in Coral Ridge has nothing to apologize for and But yet it appears that that's the stance that they're taking now.

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This is interesting here and I read you this quote I want to go back and revisit here it the article in the

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Sun Sentinel talks about vice mayor Heather Moraitis who attends Again, I hope

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I'm pronouncing that name correctly Who attends Coral Ridge Presbyterian Church along with her family and she had requested this proclamation from the mayor

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And let me read to you again what she said here. She said I understand if there's still some mistrust and reservations about Coral Ridge She said

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Wednesday. We need to come together and work alongside one another I do want to make this the best city for the

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LGBTQ community to live and to thrive I do believe we can work alongside each other now.

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There are There's a lot going on here and let's maybe unpack her statement a little bit

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One thing to point out and I know this I can't pass over this. This is something I have to speak about This is a woman who?

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certainly claims to be a Christian apparently And yet she's not ashamed to take a position of political leadership

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Now there was a time when when a Christian woman would have have thought that that's something that's that's inappropriate for a woman to do

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You know, apparently she's never heard of or has disbelieved John Knox's brilliant case against women in positions of political authority you know, there was a

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Probably the single most politically incorrect treatise that has ever been written by anybody was a piece that he wrote back in the 1500s and it was called the first blast of the trumpet against the monstrous regimen of women and He he was very clear and made a very powerful biblical case in there against Putting a a woman at the head of a city or of a nation.

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He said it's something Contumelious to God etc, etc, etc. He and and and he proved this from the scripture

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But yet this this Christian this person who claims to be a Christian She's not ashamed to take a position of vice mayor.

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So there's there's a problem right there But she goes on and and she she makes

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She proceeds to state that she wants to make Florida. They're the best city for the LGBTQ Tiki LGBTQ community now,

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I'm not sure exactly what she has in mind there But I think it's pretty obvious that she doesn't have in mind taking a biblical stance on the sin of homosexuality that's that seems to be nowhere in her in her vision

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From what I can tell here Now one of the things, you know, the the article in the

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Sun Sentinel talked about it talked about there being a joint statement it was issued by this

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Dean Trantalis the first openly gay mayor of Fort Lauderdale and the the pastor at at Coral Ridge Presbyterian Church and I Looked around and I'm not sure but I think that this is the statement.

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This is something you can actually find on the Fort Lauderdale Government website, it's a it's an article.

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It's called founding finding common ground amid a diverse community and He goes on here to talk about some things and but and here's here's

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I think maybe the the money quote here for those of us who are interested in some of this or at least maybe this is a

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An important point this is Dean Trantalis writing He says I'll share one story in particular that of my late friend and colleague colleague

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Justin Flippin he died tragically a year ago while mayor of Winton Manors He told me how he underwent two years of conversion therapy at Coral Ridge when he was in high school

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Simply put that was wrong. So, you know the I guess Coral Ridge, you know seeking to to get this

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Fellow when he was a young man to repent of his sins was wrong that that they were they were wrong about that But the mayor goes on to say but Fort Lauderdale's an evolving community

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Coral Ridge's current pastor Rob Pacienza readily joined. My interfaith effort has have other evangelical

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Christians such as Stefan Chevijan of the National Christian Foundation Eddie Copeland of Church United So have leaders of LGBT affirming religious institutions the

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Sun Sign Cathedral the Church of the Holy Holy Holy Spirit song and it's

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I am synagogue So, you know here he's he's joining, you know, this this

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Pastor at Coral Ridge. He's joining with these these unbelieving organizations along with an openly gay mayor

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As part of an interfaith effort Now Again, we're in we're in in the

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New Testament. Does it ever tell any Christian? Any minister of the gospel any elder any any deacon?

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Anyone who's a Christian to to join in interfaith efforts? To you know advance some particular political or social cause

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Yeah, it doesn't say that anywhere quite obviously. I mean the you know in in Ephesians I mean

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Paul talks about you know, have no fellowship within fruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them So as Christians, we're not to to have fellowship with these other kinds of groups with unbelievers

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But but we're to rebuke them. We are to correct them. We are to instruct them from the Word of God Now a lot of people say well that's hate.

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Well, no that that's not hate telling people. The truth is not hate Telling people the truth is what we're commanded to do as Christians as good

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Christian soldiers We're commanded to speak the truth. We're commanded to speak the truth each man to his neighbor.

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We're commanded not to bear false witness You know and and when we do these things when we we unite in Fellowship and interfaith dialogue and all this other stuff with unbelievers

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What we're doing is we're actually sharing in their sins now you think about there's that it's in it's in second

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John and John Talks about you know that if anyone doesn't bring the doctrine of Christ, you know, don't greet him in the marketplace.

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Don't Invite him into your house for he who greets him shares in his sins

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Now, I don't know about you But I mean I have enough sins of my own that I don't need to share in somebody else's sins

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Yeah, I have enough stuff to repent of myself that I don't need to to take on somebody else's sins

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In addition to my own, you know as Christians we are to reject this kind of thing and you know, it's it's

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Especially when it's coming from people who claim to know God and and who do not and and who deliberately misrepresent his word

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You know with these other You know with a Jewish organization with these these other

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LGBT Affirming religious organizations. These are organizations with whom with whom

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Christians should have no fellowship That's not because we hate them. We don't hate them. We're not called to hate them

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What we do is we're called to preach the truth Now some people think that's hate that is not hate that is obeying

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God and The they they continue here.

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It says together We've made much progress because we understand that there is more that unites us than divides us False no, there isn't there is an enormous gulf between biblical

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Christianity and the the

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LGBTQ Affirming religious institutions. It's a chasm. It's bigger than the Grand Canyon as far as as far as the

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East is from the West There's nothing that we have in common theologically Now, you know as Christians we want to be able to reach out to teach

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To preach the gospel we want to pray for those people who are unbelievers We definitely want to do that, but we do not have fellowship with them.

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We don't have fellowship with them this is not a difficult point, but yet it's something that Formerly or at least, you know churches that we all thought were sound at one point are really struggling with And he continues in the spirit of wanting to move away from the past and look for ways to bring a community together

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Pastor Pazienza and I agreed to put that put down a writing a joint statement regarding our work together.

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It follows And I'll just read through this here a joint statement from Dean J Trintallis mayor of Fort Lauderdale and Rob Pazienza lead pastor of Coral Ridge Presbyterian Church For the past four years mayor

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Trintallis has been working on a multi -faith effort to increase understanding to find opportunities for cooperation within the

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Fort Lauderdale community where they did not exist before as pastor of Coral Ridge Presbyterian Church Rob Pazienza has played a prominent role in these discussions.

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These meetings brought together a wide variety of religious views from evangelical Christianity Christianity to denominations that are

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LGBT affirming. Mayor Trintallis and Pastor Pazienza affirm That they're committed to continuing this bridge building.

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We recognize that too often our differences have led to unnecessary divisions and even hurt We need to move forward in a spirit of forgiveness and friendship

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The mayor and pastor believe in future of mutual respect that includes a respect for the rights and religious practices of everyone

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We seek a community that accepts the true meaning of tolerance for all a willingness to accept behavior and believes different from your own

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Differing opinions and values are ever present in a diverse city like Fort Lauderdale. That's part of our beauty

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We also live in a country that values both the citizens freedom to believe and act according to their conscience and the citizens right to Exercise a religious faith freely.

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There is more that unites us than divides us We pledge to continue to find areas of common ground where we can work together to make

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Fort Lauderdale a great place to live work and raise a family We all see a vast need in our community to ensure the most vulnerable are cared for We look look forward to working together to extend real hope to everyone who calls

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Fort Lauderdale home That's signed by Dean J Trintallis mayor and Rob Pazienza pastor

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And it continues to look forward to continue this effort on behalf of our city I'm pleased to say also the city continues to make great progress in the mass vaccination necessary to move beyond existing

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COVID -19 Restrictions. Okay, so this is a bunch of bunch of COVID stuff down here But anyway, that was that was the that was the main statement there.

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So they want to build bridges Well again, we're in the New Testament now I would I would and I asked this very seriously

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We're in a New Testament or the Old Testament. We're in the 66 books of the infallible inerrant

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Word of God Does it say anywhere or imply anywhere where Christians are called to to build bridges with communities that that reject his counsel

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Now again, we're called to to preach to them We're called to preach repentance toward God and faith in Jesus Christ.

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We are called to do that You know Christ said go into all the world and preach, you know and and one of the things you know,

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I was thinking a little bit about this, of course the the the world into which the the first Christians went was a

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Remarkably sinful place. I mean sometimes, you know, I think maybe people in our time maybe we have a sort of romanticized sanitized vision of Greece and Rome but the the world into which the early

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Christians Carried the gospel was exceedingly sinful exceedingly, so It was openly

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I mean there was there was open homosexuality there was open prostitution there was was every kind of just serious sexual sin imaginable and I mean some of this it's kind of interesting was so some of the knowledge of some of this came about at the the excavation of Of Pompeii and Herculaneum you may recall back in AD 79

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That you know, that's when Mount Vesuvius erupted and it it I guess there was all that volcanic ash that came upon the cities very suddenly and it almost just flash froze everything in time and When archaeologists first came and started excavating

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These areas and this was in the late 1700s they were Scandalized by some of the stuff that they found

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I mean some of the statuary some of the the wall frescoes were exceedingly obscene

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And and people didn't expect that Yeah I guess they expected it to be able to find I don't know philosophical treatises by Plato and Aristotle and and and this kind of Thing and you know and instead they found all of this

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They found well, I don't know how much of it, but they did find it, you know a considerable body of pretty pretty vulgar things

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And that I think would even cause a lot of people in our time to maybe blush and be embarrassed

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And that's not surprising because it was a pagan world but I mean where anywhere did

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Paul ever say, you know go out and You know in and ask forgiveness for for being being harsh and in to build bridges

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No, he told people to go out to preach the gospel of Jesus Christ And Paul used some very pointed language when

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When talking about when talking about sin, I'm talking about the sin of homosexuality Here's an example of that and this is this is one from from 1st

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Corinthians 6 9 to 11 and and it's it's very Pointed and it's also at the same time

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I think very hopeful and it also refutes a lot of the nonsense that is is put forth

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By the the LGBT activists in our own time as well. Let me read this here for you this is 1st

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Corinthians 6 9 to 11 and It reads thus it says do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God?

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Did not be deceived neither fornicators nor adulterers nor Neither fornicators nor idolaters nor adulterers nor homosexuals nor sodomites nor thieves nor covetous nor drunkards nor revilers nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God and such were some of you

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But you were washed but you were sanctified but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the

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Spirit of God Now This passage has tremendous application to our own time.

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So let's just kind of let's start there at the beginning of the passage Do you not know the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God?

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You know, I mean, it's it's hard to convince people today that that anybody's gonna go to hell, you know I mean we had to have this theology if it's sort of this all dogs go to heaven

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Kind of theology. Well, that's not true Jesus said, you know narrow is the way

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You know the the broad is the way leads to destruction narrow is the way, you know and few who find it

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You know that that lead to salvation There are a lot of people who are going to go to hell and in Paul lists out some of the reasons why they will go to hell

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But one of the things here too and before we get into some of that Note to the

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Paul says Do not be deceived Now this is a repeated warning that you see in Scripture No, Jesus told his his disciples

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I think on more than one occasion don't be deceived It's very important that we not be deceived

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You know And when you see a warning that that comes that that often I think we need to stop and pay attention make sure that we're not

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Being deceived because you know you and I I mean we live in a time

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I'm speaking here specifically as Americans, you know, we are subjected to some of the most mind -altering

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Propaganda that maybe anybody anywhere has ever been subjected to I mean you see it in in the culture whether it's in the music the movies the

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TV shows you get it from the The mainstream media, you know, whether you're talking about television news or print media, you know, like the

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New York Times or Washington Post Time magazine, you know organizations like this

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We are constantly lied to and deceived and sold sold an agenda, you know

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This whole kovat thing is a gigantic hoax You know, we're constantly told

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You know how great our economy is doing and things are are getting better and better. Well, that's a giant hoax

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You know, we're constantly lied to this country is broke financially and it's getting more

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Bankrupt by the day and there's going to come a point where that's going to become evident to everybody But the media constantly wants to paint this picture.

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Oh, everything's gonna be great. Hey, we're reopening after kovat blah blah blah You know that that's another hoax

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You know, I the the 2020 presidential election was the biggest hoax I've ever seen in politics I mean the

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Democrats very obviously stole that election They did that You know personally,

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I think that was just a kind of a rerun of a good good old 19th century Tammany Hall Sort of corruption, you know, it's the kind of stuff that the

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Presbyterian minister Samuel D. Burchard called rum Romanism and rebellion And when when

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Burchard we Burchard would you know, he talked about the party whose antecedents have been rum rose Romanism and rebellion well, he was talking about the

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Democrats and And that is what they are. I mean Burchard was exactly 100 % on target with that So, I mean the the 2020 presidential election.

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Yeah, that was a massive hoax No question about that. So I mean you got the kovat hoax

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You got the election hoax and you've got all these these hoaxes that we see Constantly in the media

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I mean for instance one of the the big hoaxes that you have going around right now is that the United States is just filled

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With all this white supremacy and racism. Well, you know what? I mean there there is racism out there I mean,

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I'm not gonna say there's no racism in this country there is but you know in terms of the the kinds of things that they're talking about the kinds of white supremacist

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Racism and violence and all it's that's a complete hoax the violence the hatred and the real racism is

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On is coming from the the progressives coming from organizations like antifa. It's coming from organizations like black lives matter

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It's coming from organizations like the New York Times and others and in schools and universities that push critical race theory.

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That is racism The the violence that has gone on I mean you've got

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Christopher Ray the FBI and all these These people out there just looking and talking about all this this violent white supremacy out there and you look around there

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Well where where you know what? I do see are plenty of images of antifa burning down Portland and Seattle and in other cities

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And I see riots all over the place by black lives matter You know, I don't see a bunch of white supremacist out there doing this stuff

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I mean, that's a hoax. It's a hoax and a lie and a scam and a sham so,

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I mean there's a lot of stuff out there that the news media and and again the Entertainment what -have -you they're trying to deceive you

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You know and as Christians work were commanded by the Apostle Paul right here. Don't be deceived

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So, I mean, it's very important that we as Christians are not deceived so With that said, you know

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Paul goes here and he lists a Number of different types of people who are will not inherit the kingdom of God.

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He talks about fornicators talks about idolaters He talks about adulterers so,

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I mean There it's it's not just homosexuals and sodomites that are that are left out of this

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He talks about a whole category of people, but let's focus on there. He says, you know, neither fornicators nor adulterers We try that again neither fornicators nor Idolaters nor adulterers nor homosexuals nor sodomites nor thieves nor covetous, etc

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So let's go focus in on that that homosexuals and sodomites now, you might be a little curious, you know

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Well, you know, he says homosexuals and sodomites. This is the New King James translation here So why would the translation list two words you see homosexuals and sodomites and you say well aren't those kind of synonymous?

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Well They actually translate very different Greek words the the word that's translated homosexuals here is is

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Malicos or malik hoist. I think it is in the the plural but Malik Austin that in Greek and he means softer effeminate and If you look at the

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New King James Bible, it gives a call a note in the column to the right another translation that could be used for that word is katamite and that is a

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Male homosexual who submits to to homosexual acts in other words something that would be considered a passive male

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Homosexual someone on whom the act is performed Now the term sodomites here is

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The Greek word that it underlies that is our son Okoye taste and in the literal translation of that is a man -debtor and What that meant is that that was the the act of male homosexual the one who was performing the act

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So Paul makes this distinction. One of the reasons he did that is because back in the ancient Greek world Greco -Roman world it was actually a big deal.

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There was a big sharp distinction, you know, the the the malik host was somebody who was effeminate and And soft whereas the the our son

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Okoye taste that was a that was a very manly thing to be I'm not saying I agree with this, but this was just a view of the ancient world.

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And so Paul condemns both of these He says they're both wrong in in both classes of people will not inherit the kingdom of God and and then but then

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Paul continues and this is one of my favorite in this just just just just this one verb this tense of this one

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Verb just blows away all the the LGBT Nonsense that were constantly subjected to this this one verb does and it says here

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You know and such were Some of you, you know, some of you were fornicators

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Some of you were idolaters Some of you were adulterers and homosexuals and in sodomites and thieves and covetous and drunkards you some of you did all this stuff you remember

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Paul's writing to the Corinthian Church and in Corinth was especially famous in the ancient world for being really

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Degenerate Now, I mean the whole Roman Empire as a whole was was pretty degenerate So, I mean if if if you've got a reputation within the

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Roman world as being hey, those guys are really degenerate You know, they're bad. You know, this was was was a real was a real moral cesspool so I mean

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Even within the Roman world, you know the the Corinth. I mean they were considered to be pretty far down maybe at the bottom of Of the

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On the morality scale even by the the low standards of the of the

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Roman Empire in the first century He said in such were some of you So there were all of these people who came from these these terrible backgrounds who were washed

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Who were sanctified who were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the Spirit of God This is the power of the gospel it's the power, you know, the gospel is the power of God to salvation and it takes sinners like you and me and And other people with with some of these other really serious sins and it brings them from a state of condemnation into being adopted as As children of God, you know, and that's an amazing and a wonderful thing about the gospel of Jesus Christ That's the power that the gospel of Jesus Christ has you know, the the homosexual lobby wants to say

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Oh, well, you have this sexual orientation and what they mean by that is you were born this way and that's just the way you are, you know to try to change somebody from being homosexual is like trying to say, you know for You know me to change the color of my eyes or the color of my hair or the color of my skin

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Or something like that or something that's that's indelibly me You know I can't change who

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I am and who my parents are or who my ethnicity or what my racial background is I can't change any of these things and and the homosexuals they want to argue that that well

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It's the same way with the homosexual homosexuality. You just are what you are and It's it's not only impossible to change someone they want to tell you but it's not even morally right to try to do so You know, and that's what this this one guy

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Yeah, this this late this Justin Flippin said he said this is the mayor of Mayor Dean Trent Alice talking he says

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Justin Flippin. He died tragically a year ago. I'm mayor of Wilton Manors He told me how he underwent two years of conversion therapy at Coral Ridge when he was in high school simply put that was wrong

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Well, it wasn't wrong. Now. I I don't know about the specific therapy that he underwent, but it's not wrong

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For Christians to minister to homosexuals and call them to repentance, that's what we are called to do

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You know and in this this passage that Paul writes from he says and such were some of you that completely refutes this idea

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That that being homosexual is something that's permanent. That's indelible. That's something who you are Homosexuality is a behavior.

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You know, it's not a defining characteristics Somebody is a behavior is a sinful behavior. It's just like all these other behaviors that Paul talks about.

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I mean he talks about fornicators and idolaters and adulterers and thieves and covetous drunkards

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You don't in all of this stuff. Well, these are all behaviors and That includes homosexuality

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Whether you're an active or a passive male homosexual it includes those things, you know, there was a guy this

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Pete Buttigieg character. He ran for president as a Democrat I guess about all this back in 2020 as a

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Democrat he ran and And he had let's see here. See if I can find this.

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I always love when you try to Do one thing and you do something else Okay, here we go

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So yeah, when when Pete Buttigieg when he was running as a Democrat, he was at the time he was mayor of Gary Indiana and and he apparently wanted to go out and attack

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Mike Pence who was Trump's vice president And and you may recall Mike Pence was also before he became vice president

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He was the governor of Indiana. So these two apparently they have had some kind of Interaction in the past.

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They were both from Indiana and And this is what Pete Buttigieg said to Mike Pence and he said he told

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Mike Pence He says if if you have a problem with who I am your problem is not with me. Your quarrel sir is with my creator

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So, I mean, you know, here's here's Pete Buttigieg up there kind of huffing and puffing and and saying well, you know

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This is who I am. You know, I'm a homosexual and if if you don't like that, you know, your problem isn't with me

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It's it's with God And that's what he's telling to Mike Pence now, you know that can sound a little bit intimidating

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I mean Pete Pete Buttigieg. I mean, he's he's a very smart man. You know, he's a he's a Harvard grad Very well educated very well spoken.

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He's probably was I would say the best speaker I mean just in terms of his his ability as a public speaker

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He's probably the best public speaker of any of the the candidates that were running Republican or Democrat back in 2020

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He speaks very very well and he can sound very persuasive But this is a lot of nonsense and you can tell it's nonsense just by plugging in another word

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So it's suppose I would argue like this and say I'm a thief. That's just the way

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God made me You know, I steal things for a living. It's just what I do. And if you have a problem with that Your problem isn't with me your quarrel sir.

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It's with my creator because that's just the way God made me Well, I mean if I tried to argue that way you'd say well

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Steve that's ridiculous and it is ridiculous You know, I mean, yeah,

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I just like to steal things. I'm a thief. That's what I am That's how I roll, you know, and hey you got a problem with that Well your problems with God because that's the way he made me and in that's the exact same argument that Pete Buttigieg is using here

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But we know from the scriptures that that's a lie because it's not just the way he is that that is a behavior that he chooses to engage in and He is called by God to repent of that and to have faith in Christ He has an obligation before God to do that.

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And if he does not do that, he will spend an eternity in hell And I don't care how eloquent he is it's not gonna get him out of that He will not inherit the kingdom of God and don't be deceived.

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He will not inherit it now He claims to be a Christian which makes it even worse for him I mean it'd be one thing, you know, if he were some pagan who'd never heard the name of Christ and And was engaged in these things.

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I mean it would be more tolerable for the men of Pompeii and Herculaneum Then it will be for Pete Buttigieg Because he's had a much better opportunity probably than what a lot of them had

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Well, maybe some of them heard the gospel they were that you know Vesuvius are up in 79 80 So maybe some of them did have an opportunity to know

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I don't know But You know

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Pete Buttigieg claims to be a Christian I mean he he's I believe he is an Episcopalian But you know, he he's a church member he's he's in the church but but he's he's not of Christ He's not of Christ You know, so You know, this is what the

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Bible has to say and this is as Christians what we're called to do And this is something that the Coral Ridge used to be

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Pretty strong on this. I mean D. James Kennedy was was correct to call homosexuality a sin

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He was not wrong about that And yet you have it's kind of interesting when I read through in Like these two articles of the one from the

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Sun Sentinel and this this statement from the mayor here. I didn't see anybody I didn't see the current minister

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Rob Pazienza. I did not see him stand up and defend D. James Kennedy. I Did not see him

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Say anywhere that he disagreed with any of this stuff. In fact, I couldn't find one single public comment by him now again

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Maybe I've missed something, you know, I but I mean I I did a you know, I think a fairly thorough search

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I couldn't find anything. I mean and it appears that That Coral Ridge Presbyterian Church is is quite happy just to to let the name of D James Kennedy be trashed because he took a correct stance on On homosexuality and I think that that's sad

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That that is very very sad and it just goes to show you how far Apparently that church has fallen and it's not just It's not just Coral Ridge Presbyterian Church either the the denomination of which it is a part the

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Presbyterian Church in America was known for a long time as the largest conservative Presbyterian Church in the country

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The PCA the Presbyterian Church in America. We're not talking about the PC USA So if you're not a

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Presbyterian, you know, sometimes it can be hard, you know I'm a press I'm Presbyterian, but I wasn't always and and I know

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Years ago before I was a Presbyterian that I tended to lump them all together You know and and you'd go and you'd look in the newspaper sometimes and you'd see

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You know these some of these Presbyterian churches making is pretty obviously unbiblical unscriptural un -christian

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Pronouncements or engaging in various things you'd say well, you know all those Presbyterians is just a bunch of nutjob Socialist, you know wackadoos and and I came later to find out

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I was I was very pleased to find this out that was actually wrong about that and there are there are Presbyterians who take take the

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Bible very seriously and take the scriptures very seriously and I didn't know that for a long time

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But there really are and it may come as a surprise to you because of you know I talked about don't be deceived by the media Well, I mean, you know the media reports a lot of the stuff they report on the mainline

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Presbyterian Church the PC USA which has been liberal since oh goodness, I guess back in the 1920s of 30s

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And there are in fact the the Presbyterian Church of which I'm a member as part of the

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Bible Presbyterian Church they split off from the mainline Presbyterian Church back in the 1930s over those reasons over the reasons of the the

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The liberalism that had taken over the mainline Presbyterian Church Now in the

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PCA, you know, it's a conservative denomination and the PCA the Bible Presbyterian Church That is is a conservative domination.

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The PCA is a much larger Denomination, but they were also pretty solid biblically and in fact the the former

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Minister of my church took a church in in Tennessee Patrick Hines in in that church in Tennessee was part of the the

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PCA But they have left the PCA and the reason they left the PCA I mean

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I watch he does a YouTube show and by the way, if you haven't seen Patrick Hines work

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I'd highly recommend it to you. I think he's a he's a fine preacher and and he's a he's a

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Christian man And and he's somebody who does a lot of very good work And I would encourage you to listen to him he is he loves the

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Lord and and he has he has a Very good understanding of the gospel of justification by faith alone

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So yeah, he's he's someone I would definitely recommend that you listen to if you haven't followed his work

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But I was listening to he does a typically does a Show on on on Wednesdays, I think he calls it the pulpit supplemental, but he was talking about the the church where he is and in why they they elected to leave the

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PCA and one of the reasons I know he mentioned was over the issue of homosexuality because the the homosexual agenda has been growing and growing and growing within the

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PCA and And it's it appears like it's getting stronger and not weaker and and it's it's very disappointing to see the kind of reaction that Or really non reaction out of the the senior minister the senior that the lead pastor

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I guess is a the title that they use for him at that church and the fact that he does nothing to either defend the biblical stance of of Corridge Presbyterian Church and D.

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James Kennedy in the past on the issue of homosexuality In fact, he doesn't really say anything at all And and he seems to be quite happy to meet with this this homosexual mayor and then get together in some kind of you know

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Let's get together and feel all right, you know Sing kumbaya kind of group with all these other unbelievers, which is something specifically we're told not to do

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We're told not to do this as Christians. Well, we're commanded not to do this you know and when we do these things when we when we greet these kinds of people who who do not bring the doctrine of Christ When we invite them into our houses we share in their sins, you know, and and you know,

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God forbid that as Christians that we should share in the sin share in the sins of people who do not bring the

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Doctrine of Christ and when you try to justify homosexuality and say that this is a good thing and not bringing the doctrine of Christ That is sin, you know, and we need to call it that well, that's that's about all

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I had for this week So so thanks for for listening I know this is kind of a bit of a weighty topic and and I wish

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I had something better to say I really do but this is This is a very serious problem.

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And and it's something that At least in my own opinion I've long thought that if persecution is ever going to come to Christians within the

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United States That I think it's going to come on the issue of homosexuality It seems to be the leading candidate for that anyway and and the reason

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I guess I would say it's twofold for that number one the the insistence of the homosexual lobby and increasingly the insistence of corporations of Governments of schools and universities that everybody say all of this homosexual transgender stuff

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Yeah, that it's that it's all great and awesome and wonderful And on the other hand the very clear teaching of the

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Bible, I mean the Christians as Christians were commanded not to do these things not to engage in homosexual acts and we're

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We're commanded to preach the gospel to those who are lost in those circumstances. I mean, there's no third way

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There's no way that we can we can't finesse it. You can't nuance your way out of it you know, this is something that that's very cut -and -dried and It's going to come

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I think in the years ahead more and more And I think there's gonna be more and more conflict and and I think it's you know as Christians, you know,

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I think back on something Since we were talking a little bit about the ancient world, you know, you may

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Recall hearing about the Spartans right the Spartans in ancient Greece and what were the Spartans famous for where they were famous soldiers

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Of course, right, you know, there was you know, 300, you know the 300 Spartans Thermopylae and they they stood up against the the million -man army or whatever it was from the

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From the Persians and and you know, they they were world famous for being the best soldiers

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I mean these guys really were good. There's no question about it and I mean they were hardcore and just to give you example what

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I mean by hardcore the Spartan mothers used to tell their sons when they were, you know training and growing up or that They would say come back with your shield or on it

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Come back with your shield or on it. So what did that mean? Well in What they were saying is either either you go and you fight bravely in battle and you win or you die trying

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But you don't turn tail and run Because see it in ancient warfare, you know, you think about the the way that the

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Greeks used to fight You know, they had the phalanx, right? You know, they had a spear in their right hand and they had their their shield on their left hand and they go in The battle well if you're in a battle

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And and say the one army started getting the better of the other, you know The the natural, you know probably for most of us the natural tendency would be to to throw down your your spear to throw down your shield and run as Fast as you can and try to get out of there and save your life

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It was a disgrace to come back to Sparta if you were a soldier without your shield because that meant you ran away

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You know come back with your shield or on it

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You know, so either fight and win or die tried And and as as Christians, you know, we have a command that's it's actually not not unlike that You know

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Jesus told his disciples to count the cost before they they followed him You know, he you know, he gave a couple of examples, you know, he he said

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You know that that he gave an example of say a man who wanted to sit down and build a tower and You know that man first was you know should really do the due diligence to sit down decide

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Well, do I have enough money to actually finish this tower before I started? otherwise You know you kind of get and you build it part of the way up and then you can't finish and everybody comes along and makes

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Funny and says ha yeah, he started this thing and he couldn't finish it, you know what a choke artist And he also gave another example along the same lines, you know where Jesus talked about a king

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You know who you know had to sit down and and decide, you know, okay, you know I got an army of 10 ,000 men, but my opponent he's got 20 ,000 soldiers

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And can I beat his 20 ,000 with my 10 ,000 and if not, he sues for peace You know, so these both of these men, you know

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Whether it's the tower builder or the King going thinking about going to battle They had to sit down and count the costs before they actually start doing it as Christians.

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We're called to do that You know because Jesus says, you know, it's going to be difficult. You're gonna get persecution

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You're gonna have to take up a cross and follow me You know, we're called You know, there's that famous example.

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The Apostle Paul uses in Ephesians where he talks about, you know, put on the whole armor of God You know, we've got that song right onward

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Christian soldiers Well, I mean we're called into the the army of Christ and we're called to be faithful You know and and we're not

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Called to go in and turn tail and run every time things get a little bit tough You know and and right now as Christians.

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Yeah, we're faced with a very aggressive homosexual lobby And we're called not to run away from that We're told to put on the full armor of God To use our sword which is the

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Word of God and we're called to go out and to fight In the name of the Lord Jesus Christ not in our own strength.

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We're called to go fight out in his strength You know, and that's that he's our captain he's the one to whom to whom we're called to look our

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Lord Jesus Christ and we know Because of the one we serve that our efforts are not going to be in vain now

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We don't always may not always get the result that we want But we're called to go fight and we're called to be brave, you know, there's in in 2nd

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Corinthians, I love it I think it's right at the end of 2nd Corinthians and I love the way the King James way the

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King James Bible translates this it says I think it says quit you like men be strong Now we're called to be men.

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We're called to be men in battle. Okay And I in the Greek verb that you know

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Quit you like men, you know act like men the the Greek verb there is on drids of my which

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I mean literally means in Greek Act like a man, you know, we we have that saying anything. You should act like a man or man up You know this kind of thing.

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Well, we're called to man up You know, we're called to stand up and speak out against these people whether you know anybody who's bringing false doctrine

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But you know this this issue of the homosexual lobby the homosexual agenda is is pretty scary

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I mean, it's a big tough opponent But this is what we're called to deal with and we know we can have the faith in Christ that we have the tools

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We need to to fight and to win You know and when

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I say when I don't always know what that looks like as I said that may not necessarily be Getting everything that we want every time, you know,

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I mean sometimes we you know, we we might lose battles, but we're gonna win the war You know, but we have to stand strong in Christ not on our own strength we have to stand strong in him

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And to him we must look So that's all I have here for today. So again, thanks for watching

01:00:25

I know this was a little bit longer than my my usual podcast But I hope you found this interesting and I hope it was encouraging to you as well

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So until next time may the spirit of truth guide you in all truth as you read and study