You Don't Have to Sin — Robert B. Thompson

Lord, as we come unto you tonight, it is with praise and thanksgiving, and we just thank you, Lord, for all your goodness to us, and your blessings, we just appreciate them so much, Lord. Your care for us, keeping us free from accidents and sickness, and we praise you for each and every blessing, Lord.

We're so thankful. We pray, Lord, for each family represented here, and we pray, Lord, that you will just watch over the homes, and be with each member of the family, Lord, and let your angel be there to protect and bless, we pray.

Lord, remember Breaded Buck tonight, Lord, and we know he's supposed to have four more days left to live. We pray you'll be with the family, Lord, in a tremendous way as they're saying their goodbyes, and strengthen Cindy and the family, and also Marilyn Ramsey, Lord, we remember her to lift her up from her operation, Lord, that you'll be with her and bless her.

So we thank you, Lord, for your goodness to all of us and to the children of men. Now we pray you'll help us tonight, we'll perceive exactly what it is the Holy Spirit is saying, in Jesus' name, amen.

Victory Over Sin Through Hearing the Word

Now, Saul Montaguera called me up, and it really was a turning point in my thinking. He said that he's got a mixed Bible group, and they're partly Baptist and partly Pentecostal, and Saul preaches much the same as me, and he was teaching them about how to get delivered from sin.

And then a man came back to the class, one of the class members, and said, you know, I never knew it was possible to get victory over sin. He said, but I had this habit of, about once every two weeks, I'd blow up at my wife, just lose my temper.

And he said, then I'd be so convicted. But I figured he'd always been taught that as long as we're in this world, we have to sin, and it just goes with the program, and nobody's perfect, and et cetera, and so on.

And he said, but since you've been teaching me that the Scripture says I can have victory over sin, he said, it's been quite a while, several weeks, he said, I've still got the victory and I haven't lost my temper.

And you know, it hit me like a magnesium flare. I mean, it just went off in my head. I thought, that's it. That is the thing. And you know, well, in the first place, I was taught when I was first saved, the typical evangelical message, and of course I accepted it, that was all good, because Colleen's one that has been affected by this teaching about sin, and I'm glad you're here, Andrew, because you can give us a good sounding board when we start discussing Romans 6 .14, you can be a good sounding board as to how they handle that in Point Loma, I'd like to know, because it's kind of key here.

And the thing is, that faith comes how? And hearing? Okay, now, let's say that you heard about salvation, you didn't know it existed, and I didn't know it existed, I'd never heard the gospel before I was in the Marine Corps, I never heard it, and then, when it was presented to me, I was so glad, I believed, and I did what I was told, and I was saved.

Faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. Then came the baptism with the Holy Spirit. It's very clear in the book of Acts, about speaking in tongues, it's quite a bit, it's obviously, and then what Paul said, it's obviously of the Lord, you know, it's not some strange thing.

So I saw it, I believed in it, but it took me about a year. But we were in a Bible school on 641 South Boundary, it's on the north end of National City, and I'd go down there in the middle of the night, and pray by myself in the chapel in the dark, oh God, I want the baptism of the Holy Spirit, and the students would have Jericho marches around me, actually, I may never have seen those, but they all tramp around, kind of like we do in a parade, but they call it Jericho march, and I couldn't get through, I couldn't get through.

Well it took me about a year, but I finally got through. Faith comes by hearing. You've got to know that it's possible, and then you have to go after it, and just because you believe it doesn't mean you're going to get it right away.

You just have to, in fact, isn't that Hebrews 6 .12? I think that's right, it says we must through faith and patience inherit the promises, isn't that Hebrews 6 .12? That's kind of key to this whole situation, is Hebrews 6 .12, because that's how you get the promises of God.

Anybody have it, read it, I'm pretty sure, Mike, go ahead.

Would you not watch me become lazy, but to imitate those who through faith and patience inherit what has been promised?

Okay, that's the New International Version. Faith and patience. So first you've got to see it in the Word, then you've got to have faith, and then you've got to have patience, and what do you get as a result of this?

The promise. Exactly, the promise. So that's how you get all the promises of God, it's the same way. Okay, then, yes Bill.

It just struck me, having faith and patience, is it a means for us to get what we want? It's a means for us to realize that God's already promised. Doesn't that make a big difference?

Yes it does. We're not going after, when you go after the land of promise, it says every place that the foot shall tread, that's I think Joshua 1 .5, every place that your foot shall tread I have given you.

But that didn't mean you could start off toward China, or go south into Africa, it meant within the boundaries that were put in the preceding verse. From Lebanon on the north, and the Negev on the south, and the Euphrates on the east, and the Mediterranean on the west.

That was stipulated in the fourth verse of the first chapter of Joshua. Then the next verse he says, every place that the sole of your foot shall tread. But the assumption is you're going to tread, like Bill says, where God has promised.

Any question about that, does that make sense to you? Salvation is not a blank check, it's not sometimes a blank, it's not a blank check. There's certain promises, who through faith and patience, inherit the promise.

So before you have faith, you've got to have what? Faith comes by hearing, and what you hear is the promise. That gives you faith, and then you have to exercise patience. Let patience have a perfect work.

Divine Healing and the Promises of God

Then came, next down the pipe, divine healing. Because a lot of people don't know that's in the Bible. And some, when it's pointed out to them, they say it was for the first century, they don't believe it, or whatever.

It stops right there, it stops right there. The promise is there. The Old Testament knew, by his stripes you were healed. The promise is there. But it's up to you then, after you hear the promise, to exercise faith.

And then it becomes a hope, and that's what faith is, the substance of things hoped for, the conviction concerning things not seen as yet. And so every Bible promise comes that way. And it seems that in each generation of calendar time, that God illumines a certain promise.

Whether it's holiness, or the born-again experience, or justification, or tongues, or the gifts of the Spirit, or divine healing. Whatever it may be, it seems there comes a time when that promise, it's always been there.

The Bible was written in the first century, it's never changed. But somehow it doesn't get off the page. God didn't put his highlight marker on it. It just doesn't come off the page. I'm sensitive to this because I've been studying David Brainerd.

David Brainerd and Thorough Spiritual Transformation

Well, you know what I'm thinking? That book is a blessing, Eddie. It gave me a real insight into the fact that it shows the apostasy we're in. Because at that time, with the Puritan preachers, like Whitefield, is that how his name is pronounced?

I've heard it Whitfield, but it's spelled Whitefield. And Brainerd, Jonathan Edwards. Do you know what they preach? The same thing as I'm preaching, only not the nuts and bolts. God has given me the nuts and bolts, how it works.

But what they preached was that you can't just take a light step of salvation. They wouldn't accept that. You just quote, accept Christ. They wouldn't accept that. You had to show in your personality an absolute moral transformation before they would accept that you had experienced redemption.

And they were very adamant about this. And when Brainerd went to the Indians, and a lot of these Indians were because of the influence of the Whites. They came because of the terrible testimony of the English Christians.

That when preachers went to the Indians, they said, we don't do the things that your God has you do. Cheat the Indians, and murder, and steal. He says, we don't do that. He says, you're hanging people all the time for theft.

He says, it's very seldom that Indians steal. And because of the bad testimony of the English Christians who were coming out of the Church of England, which was really, the Church of England was really a Catholic Church with a few modifications.

Did you know that? The High Church of England is fundamentally, if you go back and trace how it came into being under King Henry VIII and others, the Church of England is the Catholic Church of very few changes.

Very few changes. And that's why the Puritans came into existence, was to purify the flesh they saw in the Church of England. So these Puritan preachers were marvels. They were skilled in Hebrew. They were skilled in Greek.

And they didn't preach any fancy stuff. They had none of the emotionalism we're used to. It was all very sober, very scholarly. They would preach for two hours or longer, sometimes four hours. And people were sitting there, these farmers were sitting there, listening to these long, exegetical type and expository sermons.

And a lot of it was taken from Calvin. But some of them, like Jonathan Edwards, began to really push that it was not enough to accept Christ, a genuine accepting of Christ. You had to do, God had to do a work in you.

There had to be an awakening in you. Well, that's Calvinism. But from then on, that awakening had to produce a transformed life. And if it didn't, they didn't count you redeemed. They didn't want any cheap stuff.

So we can see what we're in today is cyclical. We're just in another apostasy today. And we need Puritanism. We need a neo-Puritanism. We don't need to go back to the old. God has. And where is his Church purified today?

Now, you can imagine these Indians had been knocked out of their culture. They were drunk a good deal of the time because the English Christians were selling them booze to make money. Their land had been stolen from them.

They were kept under the strict guard by soldiers of the government. And they just kind of lost heart. So you would think you would want the most shallow message. You would want to come and say, Romans 10, 9, and 10.

Just believe and you've got it. And instead, here they're faced with Brainerd, who was a close affiliate of Jonathan Edwards, preaching to them the need for thorough transformation of their personality.

Can you imagine that to these Indians? And he kept it up. Now, this man was an example to me because he took complete disregard of his health. All the time he was preaching, he was suffering from tuberculosis and severe emotional depression.

All the time he was preaching, he was in severe depression, melancholia they called it, and it was profound, and probably due in part to the tuberculosis, and probably due in part to the fact that he had been expelled from Yale, wasn't allowed to graduate, and it was because he had made the remark that one of the elders in Yale had no more grace than a chair, and somebody overheard that and repeated it, and this elder got so uptight, and Brainerd every few months would go back and crawl and humble himself because he was beating himself.

He felt he had done such a terrible thing. And by the time Yale finally relented, he was so involved, laboring under a Scotch foundation that was supplying money to preach to the Indians, that it was too late, he couldn't go back, he was too committed to the Indians, so he never finished.

But today, and I know about Yale because that's in my hometown, I've been out there many times, ivy-colored buildings, but in the dormitory section, one of the dorm buildings is called the David Brainerd dorm because he became very famous, he's very famous.

By the way, he's from Connecticut, Hadham, Connecticut, and there's a memorial there, a Brainerd memorial, and so it's quite a thing. But it sure opened my eyes to a lot of things when I saw it, and he labored and no success, and he labored and no success, and finally, he was waiting for God to move, and finally God moved in those Indians, and they began to weep and cry because God was revealing to them the sin in their lives.

When you compare that with the emotional things that goes on today, it makes one wonder what we need is a revival where people are conscious of their sins, not just a light repentance, but I mean a deep cry within, you know, I'm hell-bound, I have displeased my creator, and you know that this would happen to these Indians, they didn't speak English, he had to learn the English language, the Indian language, so on top of this, and the tribe that began with was the Delaware's which had been overcome by the other Indian tribes and were like serfs, you know, they had lost all their pride and everything, they couldn't go on the war path, they weren't even respected by the Indians, you know, they were just lazy drunks, thanks to the white man's influence, and these were the ones that God began with, so it was a tremendous eye-opener to me because I see right away, that's the real thing, that's revival, that's the way right, because it isn't just in the church, it's out in the community everywhere, there's an awakening in the community, there were several awakenings at that time, but now this was not with any Pentecostal-type meeting, this is with expository preaching by scholars who were students of Calvin, skilled in exegesis and in exposition, I mean careful Bible scholars that were fluent with Greek and Hebrew, and in the midst of this scholarly presentation, God does a sovereign work, there's no working it up, there's no Jesus, Jesus, Jesus, send the fire, there's none of this stuff, just one preacher had an hourglass, it was one hour long, and when he was preaching, and when all the sand was out, he'd turn it over and say to the people, we're going to start now on the second glass, meaning the second hour, and I mean these were frontier people, a lot of them, they were dog-tired sitting in there Sunday, listening to, not incidents and colorful things, but Bible exposition, but that creates character, so that's been influencing my thinking a lot, and then when Saul said, the man told him that, it dawned on me, something dawned on me, and I said, that's it, that's the simple issue, is that people do not know, the Christian people do not know, I mean worldwide do not know, that God has promised in the New Testament, deliverance from sin, now the way I came into this message, was really torturous, it was really torturous, because as I said, when I started out, I was, they handed me a scopio Bible, I was taught the rapture, I was taught grace, I was taught everything, it wasn't until maybe 20 years later, when I was writing on the tabernacle of the congregation, and there's a chapter in there, called the holiness of the tabernacle, and I was writing on the holiness of the tabernacle, and we were in Palo Alto at the time, and all of a sudden, something clicked in my mind, because I'd always viewed the New Testament, that there were a lot, I didn't know there were many commandments, I'd just been told, that whatever was written in the Bible, it was understood, we couldn't do it, and that's why God had given grace, and had sent a redeemer, that's what I was taught, and that's what I believed, but in the meanwhile, for 20 years, God had been talking to me, about the feasts of the Lord, and the kingdom of God, and Christ in you, and what he's going to do after Pentecost, but it didn't impact on this other realm, so I stopped writing, something switched in my brain, when I was writing on the holiness of the tabernacle, and I thought, I wonder, does the New Testament teach, we should behave righteously or not?

I don't know, this has been God, this is God, I was getting up every morning, between 4 and 4 .30 in writing, and I was in a kind of a coma, a good deal of the time, so I began to look to see, if there were any verses in the New Testament, that said we were supposed to live righteously, and I began to make a list of them, well pretty soon it became unwieldy, because I saw there's too many, I can't put them all down, this is what it's talking about, and that was the beginning, that was the beginning, and from there it began to evolve in my mind, something is radically wrong, with the message that I have been taught, that's not what the Bible teaches, and then I began to look for verses that taught, what I thought would be all full of the New Testament, was on grace and imputed righteousness, and lo and behold, it was only in Romans 3 through 5, actually, and one or two others, one mentioned in Titus, and one in Ephesians, and that was about it, and all the rest was an exhortation to holiness, and the fact that if you didn't live a holy life, you would not inherit the kingdom, well, then I got mad, I got mad because, it was so plain to me, and nobody else could see it, and of course this calls for anger, you see, I mean this is the natural thing, people don't understand it, you understand it, then you get angry, that follows, but I guess it was irritation, and I'm thinking, this is so clear, but I guess I was fighting my own confusion, and trying to fight the cobwebs off, and so, by the time we came here, I was pretty well set, in what I believed, but I was still pretty angry, and there was a lot, the teaching at that time, was all positive thinking, when Audrey and I came here, it was all, the big thing was positive thinking, and faith, and so everybody except myself, is preaching positive, everything is positive, you don't say anything negative, everything is positive, everything is faith, and everything is energy, and you can have what you want, and I mean, it's la-dee-da-dee-da, and I asked the Lord, I said, what about this, you're not supposed to say anything negative, and I told you what the Lord told me, does anybody remember?

If you preach nothing but the negative, you're sick, if you preach nothing but the positive, you're seeking your own glory, and then the Lord took me back, to the beginning, it started, with a tree you could eat up, and a tree you could, the negative and the positive, were there beginning in Eden, and all through the Old Testament, thank you Lord, but still, I knew it was an uphill climb, and pretty soon, we had a reputation, for being deep, nobody could understand it, it was different, it was queer and unusual, and I guess, Audrey says, the thing is, that I am a born maverick, and if anybody tells me this, that I come up fighting, that's the way, I'm not easily led around, so whether that's good or bad, I don't know, but anyway, the result on me was, okay, you want to fight, we'll fight, and so, that's not the way you do, with God's people, they're not interested, in seeing you angry, and fighting, they want to hear, what God has to say, so the battle was in, within me, way more, that nobody was resisting me, it was all in my mind, well, I have, I have become a lot, easier on myself, and other people now, because there's enough people, that understand, that understand what I teach, can preach it, like Sal, and a number in this church, and Dennis McNally, and others that know the message, can preach the message, and I don't feel like, you know, I'm the odd man out here, the horse of a different color, you know, one purple horse in the middle, and all the rest of them, regular color, so that has done a lot, to help me emotionally, with the message, but when, Sal said that, I said, that, is where it's all going, it isn't the case of you sinners, can't you understand, that if you live in the flesh, you're not going to inherit the kingdom, it's the Tom Sawyer thing, you get the whitewash defense, all of a sudden, this is what you want, see, like Tom Sawyer, he wanted to have the case of whitewash defense, so he wouldn't let them do it, and pretty soon they wanted to do it, no, finally they had to trade him everything, they had to get the whitewash defense, if you told you how to do it, no, I'm going fishing, but, when Tom's going, you know, like this, and one of the kids, well let me try it, no, this is my job, well, Tom, let me try that thing, it's a whole different ball game, and that's what God's people need to hear today, they need to see, in the New Testament, I don't think they need to be told this, and God will tell them that, and most of them, I think, are more aware of it, than they would like to be, but what they need to see and understand, is that there's a promise, that you don't have to sin, and that made all the difference in the world, in my thinking, I never saw it, it's the next step after tongues, that's the one that God is highlighting now, because it's the beginning of the kingdom, and you see, it's the crossing of Jordan, this is what it is, all the other things were preparatory, this is where God is going, and it begins, I don't know how many of you have read my book, on the land of promise, but if you have, you'll notice, there is internal conquest, and then there is external conquest, and with Israel, the internal conquest, operated with the law of Moses, and the priesthood, and the sacrifices, and the statutes, that had to be done, before they were able to go in, to the external conquest, of Canaan, first came the internal, the change in the Jews themselves, then came the external, how many see that?

Internal Conquest Before External Mission

The same thing is true of us, the church is ready today, to go out and say the quote, lost and dying world, well that's a real phrase now, the lost and dying world, this is a lost and dying world, but before we go out, to the lost and dying world, that's external conquest, what has to happen first?

Internal conquest, and the beginning, of external conquest, you can view, you can view, the overcoming of your behavior, as either internal, or external conquest, but since it deals with the body, I would say it's the beginning, when you begin to get, now you realize, most of the church is not aware, that this is promised in the bible, that you can get victory, over lying, and stealing, and hatred, and drunkenness, and backbiting, and gossiping, the church isn't aware, they've just been taught, that grace covers this, they don't know there's a promise there, that you can do this, but you see, we're close to the kingdom, and the first thing, that God deals with is internal, is your, presenting your body, a living sacrifice, that is the change inside, to love and worship God, more than you worship sin, see that's the internal conquest, that God has to deal with, and of course, Diana is helping us with that, attitude, changes in attitude, changes in consecration, that's internal, the conquest of our own person, and will, and then, God wants it to begin to go outward, and what's the first thing it hits?

Our body, see that's our enemy, that's what Paul said, I beat it, I keep it under, that's not a friend, see who will deliver me from this thing, well, according to the new testament, and we'll go to the scriptures, that there is deliverance from sin, and this is a promise, and God is highlighting this now, and it's clear, and so how do we get it?

Now you guys, first, well you weren't here when I went over this, so you're excused, first, we have to, see it in the word, and then we have to, have faith, we have to say yes, that's for me, because you can see it there, I don't believe that, you know, that's easy to do, with healing, with tongues, with salvation, okay, so then after we have, we see it in the word, it's there, it's the promise of God, and then we have, faith, and then what comes next?

Patience, don't expect it to happen right away, some will, some will go pop, that same thing is true in divine healing, some things will happen right away, others you have to keep after, you just don't let, you don't strive and fret or anything, but you don't change your posture, that this is promised in the word, by, who strikes you are healed, you don't change that, once it's in the word of God, faith comes by hearing, and hearing comes by the word of God, so if your symptoms get worse, or whatever happens, or you die, it has nothing to do with anything, the promise is there, the promise is there, and many people would be healed, if they didn't let themselves get talked out of it, by people saying that's a cross you have to bear, or it's inherited, or it's something that you had from birth, or this happens, or it's seasonal, like allergies, I've always had, we have all kinds of ways, of talking ourselves out, of divine healing, instead of saying, God said it, I believe it, and Lord I'm in here for the duration, I expect to be healed, you never change, don't fret, you can't, you can't emotionally push out the devil, our job is not to push out the devil, only spiritual powers can do that, our job is to believe God, just believe God, find the promise, believe it, and don't say it's a, what's the word Eddie when you're born, congenital, see there's all kinds of things that Satan, puts on, or the ratio of people that are healed, any number of things, yet the promise was there, and someday you'll face the Lord, the Lord will say, you could have been healed, did you know it was in the word, yup, why didn't you believe it, I don't know, I don't care whether it's allergies, I don't care whether it's minor, or major, or what anybody says, our job is to believe God, and we don't have to strain about it, which is nothing we can do by straining, I believe, I believe, I believe, that isn't how it works, what you do is you see it in the word, and praise God for it, and you never let yourself get talked out of it, just throw it all off, I don't care if it's congenital, I don't care if everybody in my, ancestry for the last 8 generations had it, it has nothing to do with anything, God said, by whose stripes you were healed, quite a stand, bear with me, most of them haven't heard that story about Audrey and my dad, my dad, was visiting us in New York, so he's getting ready to take the bus back to, where was he living at the time, in Phoenix, and he, he was fairly crusty, but not too bad, and so Audrey said, Dad, I want to fix you a nice breakfast, before you leave, he says, don't fix me anything, I don't want anything, so Audrey got up in the morning, what did you fix that morning, my dad, well that was probably toast, toast and eggs and pancakes, and the whole works, and my father got up and looked at it, and what do you think he did, he said, I said I wanted coffee, and that's all I wanted, so naturally Audrey retired to the bedroom, and had a little boo-hoo session, naturally, and meanwhile my father went back to Phoenix, but the Lord spoke to her, see she had a, the problem you had was congenital wasn't it, didn't you always have it,.

It ran in the family, it ran in the family,.

Do you want to say what it was, she had a bad thyroid condition, and was on fairly heavy medication, so the Lord spoke to her, and he said that's what you do to me, I've got it on the table, I've got healing on the table, on your way to Phoenix, no thanks, and so the next opportunity that Audrey had, being a very dutiful girl, she went out to the church out there, and what was the name of that,.

It wasn't our church, we had a big tabernacle at the church, it was St. Louis, it was a St. Louis church, and it was a big tabernacle, and what did they do, they had evangelists there, what did you do, tell it, you know it better than anybody else, they were at the house to pray for you, because you were sick, and I said why are you here, pray for me, and the doctor couldn't figure out what was happening, and he said you don't suppose your thyroid is working, and I was still taking the medication, and I said yes, possible, everything, not gradually but immediately, which is very unusual, and then I heard him arguing with his fellow doctors, you go check her out yourself,.

It's got to be 30 years ago, she's never had a recurrence, and so the point is, she's been healed, I've been healed of things, miraculously healed, but the point is, that it was there all the time, but she figured well it runs in the family, it runs in the family, but the Bible says, so what you have to do is to see what it says, faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God, and then you praise God for the promise, you say I don't care about all this reasoning, you know it's seasonal, the allergies are seasonal, everybody has it, or it's because I'm in the southwest, then you can think up 50 reasons, why you shouldn't be healed, 50 reasons why you shouldn't be healed, no problem, 51 if you want to put on one for the road, no problem, but all of that has nothing to do with anything, God said by whose stripes you were healed, period, so you can't heal yourself by striving, or self hypnosis, or regressing to your infancy, or anything else, you get it by faith in the word of God, and it's nothing you have to work at, it hits you, and it's there, like Audrey still taking the medicine, and the medicine will only work properly when you've got a thyroid condition, otherwise it doesn't work right, and it causes problems, that's how real divine healing is, well the same thing is true with victory over sin, you've got to see it clearly in the bible, and then you can say, I believe for total victory over sin, I believe for it, I'm not going to hear all this about nobody's perfect, or while I'm in the world, or anything else, if the bible says it, I praise God for it, I believe it, and the next thing is, patience, boy was that an eye opener to me, I thought, that's the message, people don't need to hear too much, well in some places they do, but not in this church, they know about sin, they know about the penalties of sin, but if you need to know anything, and of course it would be on the tape, and I just finished a book on it, it's in there Mark, Mark's buried under, doing the desktop publishing, it's called, You Don't Have to Sin, it's as simple as that, that's what the man learned, he said, nobody ever told me that, I thought, that is the message, you don't have to sin, he was already convicted of his bad anger, but nobody ever told him, he didn't have to have it, so I said, that's right, so the first thing you would have to show somebody, is that sin is not tolerated, under the new covenant, what verses would you show them, this is a class, and I have every right to ask that question, what verses would you show them, because first you've got to prove, see the first thing they're going to hit you with, it doesn't matter if I sin, because God sees me through the blood, when you find one, slip up your pinky, and then read it, does that say, I think that's another level, I think that's the one that shows us, that we don't have to, okay, if you read 1st John, read 1st John 3, starting with the third verse, they are about the best you'll find, now remember this guys, because when you're telling other people, before they're going to go look for promises, they're going to tell you, it doesn't matter if I sin, because God sees me through the blood, which is not a scriptural expression, by the way, you won't find under the blood, in the new testament, that's not the way the blood deals with us, you'll find forgiven through the blood, see the big difference, because people get this idea, there's a blood shield over them, and God cannot see them, and they just find that one in the new testament, but listen to these verses, and read them in a good and loud mic, you're too far back, number one, secondly, you're fighting this mic up here, so the people are going to want to hear this, in the paper, in case they don't have a bible, everyone who has a soap in him, share a prize with someone, right there, whoa, that verse alone is prima facie evidence, that the traditional teaching is incorrect, purifies himself, if you hope to see Jesus when he comes, go ahead next verse,.

That's the standard of purity, everyone who sins breaks the law, in fact, sin is lawlessness,.

Are you reading from the NIV, good, because they catch the tense of the greek verses, much better than the king James,.

Go ahead, but you know that he appeared, so that he may take away our sins,.

And in him is no guilt, whoa, wait a minute, that's one that deals with high end, that's one you can use to show, that it's not countenance that we sin, under the new covenant, that there is deliverance, read it again, if you put your finger on it, your eye will go right back where you were, but you know that he appeared, so that he may take away our sins, take away our sins, now right away they'll argue, and say that's talking about forgiveness, so you've got to know your verses, also the holy man of God, he takes away, yeah, but they interpret that as forgive,.

How about John chapter 1, where he says that he came to remove, the sin from Israel, is that John chapter 1?

I don't know, I don't recall that one, it's not really related to that, but I've heard a lot of things, in relationship to after we're raptured, and it's been always taking away the hearts of men,.

Yeah, that's why I was glad when I saw you come in the door, because I knew you'd have a gem for us, after we're raptured, boy. You'd sure be hard put to find a verse for that, whoa, after you're raptured, then you get deliverance from sin,.

Go ahead Mike, put your finger on it, go ahead,. And in him is no sin, no one who lives in him keeps on sinning, whoa,.

By the tense, King James doesn't bring out, I don't know all the Greek modes and tenses, but see it's keeps on sinning, that's important, because otherwise people say, well that's not talking about us, because everybody sins, the point is keeps on sinning, keeps on sinning, that translation of the tense of the verb, is very significant, and you don't see that in the King James,.

Everyone, read that one again. Mike, that's really critical, no one who lives in him keeps on sinning, that's prima facie isn't it,.

I mean it's there, it's there, that doesn't tell you how to get victory over it, but it tells you that it's not, it's not permitted in the new covenant, because if you keep on sinning, what does that tell us, you're not living in Christ, I mean that's pretty plain, see what I mean, and he's been there for 2000 years, yes,.

That hurts a whole bunch of them, because they will do everything,.

People will do everything, because you're shaking the whole foundation of their security, by the way, eternal security has, for all practical purposes, has become a cardinal doctrine of evangelicals, they say it isn't, but if you listen to their teaching, it is certainly a cardinal doctrine of evangelicals, eternal security, it certainly is, so is oneness by the way, but I don't want to go into that,.

Alright, go ahead. Mike, the only thing that continues to sin, is either seeing him, or knowing him,.

Okay, you know, that would be pretty hard to stretch. Brother, you're right, it's not hard, you've got to know your bible, because you're going against hundreds of years of tradition, and as I say, you're undermining the basis, for the rapture, and the prosperity message, and all this, are all ultimately based on this idea, that we're saved by grace, and not by work,.