The Goal of Salvation — Robert B. Thompson

Your wonderful love toward us, Lord, you bring us through so many things, keep us going, we appreciate it, Lord. We appreciate all our blessings, our health and safety, your good presence in our homes, Lord, to keep us and our loved ones, we appreciate it, Lord, we appreciate it very much.

We pray tonight, Lord, that your hand will be in our homes, to keep our loved ones, and that as we proceed, Lord, you will direct us to that which we are going to need in the days to come. We need your help, Lord, we need your guidance and your strength.

Amen. I was praying tonight, I still feel we're in the 11th chapter of Hebrews, we'll see what happens from there. Andrew and Yvonne have been on Hebrews, particularly chapter 10. We started Sunday morning in verse 35, Sunday night we're pushing 38 and 39.

Holding Fast in Hebrews 10

I feel to go ahead in faith, about faith. I'm trying to get the flavor of exactly what's going on here, why the author about faith as he or she did who ever wrote this thing. One thing, this was written to Jewish Christians, written to people who had forsaken Moses to follow Christ, they had heard the apostles.

For some reason, they had hit a what happens after you get saved and get the baptism, they were in a what's next kind of mode, what's next. You can see this, what I'm doing is trying to catch the flavor of what's going on here in the 11th chapter.

He's telling them in chapter 10, verse 23, let us hold unswervingly to the hope we profess. You see what he's saying, it's a thing of hold on here. Because they were letting up, they were letting up. And he said, let us hold unswervingly to the hope we profess, for he who promises faithful.

And let us consider how we may spur one another on toward love and good deeds. Let us not give up meeting together. Now evidently they were, they'd been real hot to go and then they were cooling off. He says there's some in the habit of doing, but let us encourage one another in all the more as you see the day approaching.

And that incredible 2 ,000 years, and they're seeing the day of the Lord coming 2 ,000 years ago. And that's why when the prophets speak, and even when they're speaking today, you can't tell. I mean things seem so imminent, but it seemed imminent to man.

And yet it was 2 ,000 years away at least. So there's a timelessness about prophecy and about the spirit realm that you really can get tripped up on. I've been through that, Audrey and I have been through that.

We thought, my goodness, in the late 40s that things were coming to an end. It certainly wouldn't go past 1955, and here it is 1999. But you just have that feeling of the spirit realm, it's right here, it's right here.

But it doesn't happen. So you have to keep on going. And that's what they thought, they're going to see the Lord coming and it'll all be over. You can tell from Thessalonians, but it didn't happen. And then he says something here in verse 26 of chapter 10.

He says, if we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth. Now, that's an important issue in our day. I don't know how they handle that out at Point Loma, the Christian that continues in sin.

But by and large, the idea is it doesn't really matter. It doesn't matter that much, it isn't nice, we shouldn't do it. The question of what happens, the importance of your behavior, after you have accepted Christ and been filled with the Spirit, is where we have gone off today.

That's where the evangelical track has gone off. What happens if we're a Christian and we still sin? And he said, if we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth. In other words, we're not talking about some guy that's doing the best he can, and is deceived, or is overcome, or something else.

But deliberately, we're just going to sin, and that's part of life. There remains no more sacrifice for sins, but only a fearful expectation of judgment, and a raging fire that will consume the enemies of God.

The sinning Christian is an enemy of God. I don't know if the Lord is speaking to me or what, but I'm telling you, that, in fact, I'm writing a book right now. Our goal is to be saved. Our goal is to be saved.

Salvation as a Fruit-Bearing Process

We don't think of that as the goal. Boy, I can trot you out a bucket full of scriptures, and I went through them Sunday night on the tape. Boy, there's a mess of them. That show that our goal is to be saved.

He that endures to the end shall be saved. By which you're saved if you do so and so. In so doing, you will save yourself and those who hear you. And there's a lot of them. And think about, I want a blockbuster.

It's Philippians 3, where Paul, at the end of his life, says, if by any means, I may win Christ. You know, we are as deeply in need of a reformation as was true in the time of the Protestant reformers.

We've got what Audrey calls a Hollywood salvation. We simply don't know what salvation is. We don't know what salvation is. You can't say, I was saved yesterday, because salvation is a fruit-bearing process.

You can't say, I was bearing fruit yesterday. What sense does that make? I was bearing fruit yesterday. And then the penalty for not bearing fruit is awesome. You'll be removed from the vine. So what we call getting saved is really an entrance into a program by which, as it says in 1 Peter, we save ourselves.

That's called that your sins are forgiven. And that's the way it was preached in the book of Acts. Consistently, when you came to the Lord, it was repent and your sins will be forgiven. Repent and your sins will be forgiven.

Let's look at this verse. Once again, Audrey pointed out that I hadn't gone into the criteria. I just left it. But it's very interesting, and I'm writing on this, and my mind is on it. 1 Timothy 4, and we'll start back in around verse 13.

I've been picking this verse apart today, this passage. I mean, this is a showstopper. This is a showstopper. It just breaks everything that we believe to be true of theology, of salvation. These pages are so thin, I swear I can't.

1 Timothy, what did I say, 4, 13? No, I'm at the first decimal. Alright, come on boys, let's go. 1 Timothy, starting with verse 11. The first word. The first word, command, is not an acceptable term. The idea is we ought to be good, but we're not to treat the statements of Christ and his apostles as commands.

Commanding, Teaching, and Spiritual Discipline

Command and teach these things. How many can remember what the Great Commission is? Make disciples and teach them? Even like commandments. See, we've lost that. We've lost that, the force of that. Command this, Timothy.

Command this. And teach these things. Don't let anyone look down on you because you're young, but set an example for the believers in speech, in life, in love, in faith, and in purity. Until I come, devote yourself to the public reading of scripture, because people didn't have books in those days, to preaching, and to reading.

Do not neglect your gift, which was given you through a prophetic message, when the body of elders laid their hands on you. Now I want to tell you, before we get to the end here, that all these things are necessary if you're to be saved.

And you say, what? If I don't use my gift, I'll still be saved? Uh-uh. Matthew 25, you'll be sent to the outer darkness. Sometimes, how Bible scholars get around what is so evident, what is so clearly scriptural.

We're really way off, way off. We're as bad off as the Catholics with indulgences and penance. We're that far off, if not further. You can't neglect your gift and be saved. According to the Lord, it'll be taken from you and you'll be sent into the outer darkness.

And that's hardly a description of salvation. Which was given you through a prophetic message. Well, we're getting back to that prophetic message. Be diligent in these matters. Give yourself wholly to them, so that everyone may see your progress.

Watch your life and doctrine closely. Persevere in them. Persevere in them. I talk a lot about that word, perseverance. Because if you do, you will save both yourself and your hearers. And I examine the context to see if possibly he was talking about save yourself from jail or save yourself in front.

Let me tell you why. Because in Philippians, Paul said, he talks about their prayers. And he says, I know this shall turn to my salvation. Well, that word can be translated deliverance. And so, the common thought is he couldn't be talking about he was getting saved by their prayers.

But, you know, I won't fight against it. Okay, he's talking about being delivered from prison. But then look at this. A woman shall be saved in childbearing. What sense does that mean? It means just that.

It means salvation is something other than we have pictured. He that endures to the end shall be saved. Which tells us clearly that salvation is something that comes at the end of the program, not at the beginning.

It isn't like you get saved and then after that what you do is good, bad, or indifferent, but you're saved. It isn't that at all. It's that when you receive Christ, your sins are forgiven. And you have to, according to Acts, bring forth works suitable for repentance.

So in order to be forgiven, you have to demonstrate that you are turning away from the world. That's the job of the evangelist and the apostle as he goes from city to city proclaiming redemption through Christ and that we're not under Moses anymore.

But then, all the other ministries of the body kick in to tell us how you get yourself saved. Radical. I'm not trying to make a big heresy out of it or a big doctrine. I'm just emphasizing something that has been sorely neglected and which the commentators have to waltz all around like the she shall be saved in childbearing they have a she shall be saved because Mary bore the child Jesus.

I mean, they'll go to any lengths to avoid the clear text. But you can't do much with Philippians 3 if by any means I may gain Christ. And you can't do too much with John 15 .3 that you have to bear fruit to stay in the vine.

You can't do much with that. But look at this one. Persevere in them because if you do you will save both yourself. You will save yourself. So Jesus did not come to do an arbitrary work of salvation. We wish He did.

We would like to think that there's some way in which we can kick back either in this world or in the world to come and know that no matter what we did we couldn't be sinned and we couldn't be lost. But forever and ever we will be able to sin.

Satan did when he was around the throne of God. There's no scripture that says that any specific that I know of, I'm glad to be corrected that says that by any specific point or action we no longer are able to sin or rebel against God.

So things, and I don't view this with frightening manner. Whatever. It suits me to a T. I can see what the Lord is saying. And I've said this many times that Jesus didn't come to save us by a sovereign act.

He came to make it possible for us to save ourselves by doing what He said. And He stands ready to help us at every turn of the road. Anytime we're willing to call on Him He's there to help us. He will with every temptation make a way to escape.

He will do everything that God is capable of doing to bring us through.

But in the long run we save ourselves by doing what He said. By obeying the commandments. Eddie? Pastor, won't you say something about 1 John 3, 9 when you still think there's a matter of choice still there?

What does it say? It says, which way was born of God?

Yes, and the commentators render that properly. It's obviously true that even after Christ has been conceived in us we can't sin. So I can't be talking about that. What it's saying is that the divine seed in us that has been born in us cannot sin.

That cannot sin. And so when that's brought forth to maturity then that is our guarantee against sin. The point is that to bring that to maturity depends on us. Depends on what we do. Because salvation in its ultimate and full sense is Jesus Christ Himself.

The Peccability and Obedience of Christ

Now, one of the things taught in Bible school I don't know if they teach it in Point Loma but they do in Assembly of God Bible colleges they do have a series of studies on the peccability versus the impeccability of Christ.

Did you encounter that at all? Alright, that's quite a big thing in theology. And the issue that is raised with the students is this. Could Christ have sinned? Or was He peccable or impeccable? Impeccable meaning it was impossible for Him to sin.

Well, you can see how students could go back and forth on this. But the truth of the matter is the Bible says in two places Christ learned obedience by which He suffered. By the things He suffered. Which implies to me clearly that He passed from a state of lesser obedience to a state of greater obedience.

Otherwise, the verse doesn't mean anything at all. Now again, speaking of the Lord Jesus Christ in the Psalms it says, Because thou hast loved righteousness and hated iniquity, therefore thy God has anointed thee above thy fellows, evidently speaking in the spirit realm of highly placed spiritual potentates who are regarded as the fellows of Christ.

If it doesn't mean that, I don't know what it means. Thou hast loved righteousness and hated iniquity, therefore God, even thy God, has anointed thee above thy fellows. And so Jesus was the one who loved righteousness and therefore He's been anointed above all of His peers.

He bears the anointing. He is the Christ. God has made that same Jesus both Lord and Christ. Now that He faced a genuine decision in Gethsemane I think is obvious to any fair reader of the thing who puts any fair understanding of the ordinary use of language as it's employed there.

So, in my judgment, yes, Christ is perfectly able to sin. He's perfectly able to rebel against the Father if He so chooses. Well then, the next issue is why doesn't He choose to do so? Because there's something in Him that loves God above all even to the place of Gethsemane where He was threatened with an eternal loss of fellowship with God.

Even in that He obeyed God. So He obeyed God so totally that God has made Him Lord of all. Now that was the supreme test. It was the test in Gethsemane. Okay, so there is something in Jesus Christ that chooses to obey God.

God has loved righteousness and hated iniquity. Obviously He made a choice in there because otherwise what would if He couldn't if He couldn't choose to love righteousness and hate iniquity then that whole thing is a farce.

Why would God then anoint Him because of something that He couldn't have done anyway? So the very verse itself implies that Christ was well able to choose righteousness well able to hate iniquity so it boils down to choice.

He made a choice in Gethsemane. He made choices in the desert and if it wasn't possible for Him to sin Satan would not have tempted Him in the desert because Satan whatever else he is he is practical.

And he doesn't waste time testing you unless he thinks there's a possibility you'll fail. If you couldn't have failed temptation would have meant nothing. It would have meant nothing and the whole the thing that He that He was what does that say?

He was doesn't say He was tested in all points like as we are or something like that. It means nothing. The thing is a farce. He was God incarnate totally impeccable the whole thing is a mock-up and it means nothing and there's no way we're able even truly to relate to it except in some theological sense.

It has no guts no meaning no person that you're dealing with that said God, God take this up from me if it's possible. You're not dealing with anything real but with some kind of a trumped-up thing. It reminds you of the current version of the great white throne judgment where they're all doomed but the whole thing is a trumped-up thing that means absolutely nothing.

This theological thing gets removed from the reality of God as a person and Christ as a person and Christ His Son choosing to be obedient and thereby being made Lord of all and here's another one for you the end of chapter 3 of Revelation says to him that overcomes even as I also overcame.

So what's to overcome if you are impeccable? There's nothing to overcome. You couldn't sin. You couldn't do anything but overcome. So the whole thing would be a farce. So in my opinion Christ is a real person just like you and me.

He's been with the Father exactly as it says in the Gospel of John. He is with the Father from the beginning. All things were created through Him and yet in spite of all this He learned obedience by the things He suffered.

He was made perfect through suffering the captain of our salvation in Hebrews 2. And so the guarantee that we have that we will never sin again is based on two things. One that Christ has been brought to maturity in us which is the new covenant and secondly that nature in us chooses not to sin.

Can it sin? Yes. Will it sin? No. Why won't it sin? Because it is begotten of God just as Christ is begotten of God but not in the sense of peccability. Still if Christ was peccable if He could sin then He had no power of choice.

There's no meaningful choice there unless there's something that escapes me. There's no meaningful choice. The Bible said He was heard and that He feared. Otherwise He's not like us at all and there's no comparison and there's no way we can overcome as He overcame because He's God.

That being the case back to 1 John 3 .9 He that is born of God does not commit sin and He cannot sin because His seed remains in Him and He's born of God. Alright that's in the third chapter. Now if you read if you start at the beginning of that chapter and read through the context of that is if we say that we're abiding in Him and sin we lie and do not the truth.

He that abides in Him doesn't sin and if He sins He hasn't known Him. That's the context of that chapter. Every man that has the hope in Him of being like Jesus purifies himself. If He doesn't do this He's a liar and so on.

That's the third chapter. And then He says in verse 8 there for this purpose the Son of God was manifested that He might destroy the works of the devil. And that which is begotten of God does not sin because it's begotten of God.

It's not carnal. It's not human. It's not Adamic. And as long as we're in the Adamic nature the Adamic nature sins. It drinks water. It drinks sin like water. It is fundamentally rebellious. And so God has given us commandments and we are commanded to do them and we can do them.

Look at them. Teach these things. This He could do. Don't let anyone look down on you. This He can do. Set an example in speech and life in love and faith and in purity and this He can do by what? By what means?

Christ hasn't been fully formed in Him yet. This is old Tim we're talking to. How can He do these things? Pose the throne of grace. Absolutely. By prayer and reading His Bible. And this is what we are commanded to do.

When we're impure we confess our sin we go back we ask God for help. When we're doing these other things our example of life or love or faith in our person is not right we go to God and we do these things.

Devote yourself to the public reading of Scripture. This He could do with this Bible there that He had with the Hebrew Bible. He could give Himself to preaching and teaching. He could cease from neglecting His gift.

He could be diligent. He could give Himself holy to them so that everyone may see His progress. He could be careful about His life and careful about His doctrine. See God has commanded us these things.

And then but what is the kicker? The kicker is in doing this you're saving yourself. Well how are you saving yourself? Because you're putting to death your Adamic nature and Christ is growing in you and that is your salvation.

And that is how you're saving yourself. Well what happens if you don't do this? Well you're cut out of the vine. Well you're put into the outer darkness. Well the door is shut in your face. I mean it's plain as anything can be.

But look at how stern it is. Am I running roughshod over anybody's feelings? But look at how stern it is. In Hebrews if we deliberately keep on sinning after we receive the knowledge of the truth Now King James says sin willfully.

And you understand in the Bible there's a great difference between sinning and sinning willfully. In the Old Testament there was no sacrifice for willful sin. You keep reading it says if a man be overtaken in a fault if a man be overtaken in a fault and then it says if we sin willfully and the person that sins presumptuously I think the King James says he'll be cut off from his people.

There's no sacrifice for willful sin. No. No. Most of our sins that we do we regret. It's like the guy beating on his breast and saying God be merciful to me a sinner. Most of the sins we do either are out of deception or out of weakness.

You know the spirit is willing but the flesh is weak and we're hating ourselves while we're doing it. That's not willful sin. I'll give you an example of willful sin. A clear example and I was principal of a Christian school at the time.

And there was a girl came into the office and she said I'm going out tonight and I'm going to do something in the backseat of a car with a boy but I know the Lord will forgive me. That's willful sin. That's not being overtaken in a fault.

She was not in the passion at that time. It was a cold thing. Now another man a famous charismatic writer I can't think of his name but he was at the Christmas party two years ago remember with the oxygen thing what was that guy's name?

And he wrote a book on remember he was at the cathedral at the Christmas party and he came in and he had the oxygen thing you remember that Stan? Anyway, he wrote of a lady and a man were about to commit adultery and she prayed and she said Lord forgive us for this which we are about to do.

See, that's willful sin. And see, this girl had been taught that if she went and did nasty things in the backseat of a car that Jesus would forgive her. She had been taught that. Not realizing that there's no there's no that's what it says here.

There's no offering even in the New Testament or the Old for willful sin. Question over here. Yeah, I mean you kind of made the example that you gave. You kind of made a question of whether this girl was acting willfully against what she knew to be wrong or whether she was acting as you point out out of a false teaching and therefore wouldn't have fallen.

To the case of deception and how would the Lord look at that because the girl really felt that she wasn't doing something that had His own consequences. Well, deception is another matter. Deception is a spiritual action in which you do not know that you're deceived.

This other thing she didn't know she was deceived but it and it was the fault she didn't know that she was couldn't be forgiven. And it was the result of deception. But how God would judge that whether He would judge that as willful sin or not I do not know.

I know that God is merciful but you see there are consequences. Well, look at the scripture if we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth no sacrifice for sins is left.

Perseverance, Judgment, and Christian Suffering

Now someone now we have a nation full of people who are living under false teaching and sinning under false teaching and if I'm hearing from the Lord correctly and the other prophets in the group can confirm or deny we are heading in the United States toward very difficult times.

I'm still hearing war, war, war and I think it's I think there's going to be war on our soil of some kind either terrorism or something but whatever it is it's going to be horrendous. And as I was praying tonight and coming out here and I was saying Lord, what do these people need?

And I felt the Lord was saying you're going to have to strengthen them because they're going to need it in the days to come. We're going to have to be living the 11th chapter of Hebrews where they were sown asunder and they were going from dens.

We're going to have to remember what we were taught now while things are easy. It's going to have to come back to us that God hasn't forsaken us. This is the normal Christian life. I think we're heading for very severe chastening and in that time I believe God will awaken His people He will bring forth preachers who preach the truth.

In fact, He already is raising up preachers who are preaching the truth. I've been saying for 25 years that the United States is going to have a great revival and it's going to be in the midst of great trouble.

And I think at that time God's going to a lot of what is going on now in the name of Christianity will be swept aside. I mean, if we have a few of our atomic installations blown up by terrorists and say a million people die of radiation then it's going to I think the preachers are going to get off this grace heaven rapture kick and begin to preach the Bible.

I think it's going to drive people back to the Bible. So I think that probably what the Lord would do in the case of that girl would be be merciful and patient would be to have someone tell her the truth and then judge her on what she does.

There was a lady who was a fervent Pentecostal spoke in tongues and she married a Nazarene man. And his position was tongues are of the devil. And he kept this up. Tongues are of the devil. And he let her go to her church but he kept it up.

Saying tongues are of the devil. Well he watched her life for a number of years. And one day he said to her about tongues are of the devil. And the Lord spoke to him and said don't ever say that again.

Because you see technically that's blasphemy against the Holy Spirit and there's no forgiveness for that in this world or in the ages to come. There is no forgiveness for blasphemy against the Holy Spirit.

So the Lord could have pulled that law the first time he said it. But that's not his way. He gave this man a chance to see his wife until there was no question in his mind that she obviously was a devout Christian.

And then his saying tongues are of the devil became just a cheap meaningless remark. He knew better. And the Lord said don't ever say that again. And if he had gone on he was in peril of his immortal soul.

And if God spoke to that girl or she heard this preached or something and it came to her then I think in that case that would be pure willful sin. But like it says here we go just by the word if we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth no sacrifice for sins is left.

There's no sacrifice for willful sin. New Testament or old. The sacrifice for sin under the old covenant with the blood of bulls and goats under the new covenant is Jesus Christ. And that's why in the famous 6th chapter which there isn't a commentator I have read that will leave the things stay where it says if they fall away to renew them again there's not a commentator that I have read that will leave that lay.

They will not believe that. But that exactly follows this. This is what he's saying in chapter 6. This is exactly what he's saying. He's repeating. In fact it's several times in the book of Hebrews. That same idea that in fact we were discussing that Sunday in verse 39 we are not of those at 1039 we are not of those who shrink back and are destroyed.

That is saying to these Jews that were saved and had tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come and the Holy Spirit and had seen the apostles and everything he said if you shrink back you're going to be destroyed.

And this is exactly what happened with the guy in Matthew 25 that didn't use his talent. It was taken from him and sent into outer darkness. He shrank back to perdition or destruction. Again in Galatians 6 if you sow to the flesh you're going to reap destruction.

Yes?

Before Constantine came in and pretty much destroyed the church they actually practiced in the early church where you couldn't get baptized so you had been in catechism for three years. Kind of this kind of teaching for three years.

And once you were baptized they prayed for you to receive the Holy Spirit and then you were able to take communion. And that was seen as an evident gift. After that point.

If you fell away they wouldn't let you back in the church. Well that is probably better and a lot better than what we have today. Actually if you want to get scriptural go in the book of Acts when Philip met Eunuch and explained to him about Christ he said here is water what does it hinder me and he was baptized.

However at that time in Acts the church had not really been structured and by the time it was structured I read somewhere that Martin Luther celebrated a closed communion. And I know in Iceland where I preach they celebrate closed communion.

That is they put a sign in the door and nobody submitted we're taking communion. You can't come off the street and take communion. You've got to be a member of the church to take communion. That's called a closed communion.

And churches do do that. And I read somewhere that Luther celebrated a closed communion. So yes today we've got what Audrey calls a Hollywood salvation. The thing is it has developed into kind of a novelty with a kick to it and it's popular and everybody in the country is born again including the president.

You know it's not Christianity at all. Man imagine that kind of background that people have if we have a couple of our atomic installations blown up. Imagine if you read in the paper you know this place wiped out 3 million people dead another 5, 10 million people with radiation and poison.

How would that impact on the American church? Much less as has happened in Sudan and other places. You know or they come in and stick your head in the toilet until you're about to drown yank your head back when you recant and they'll stick your head down the toilet again.

People endure these things and they're being crucified. Colson's been telling about the crucifixions that have been taking place in Egypt with the Coptic Christians. I mean they're being tortured over there murdered in Egypt the Coptic Christians as well as what's going on in China and Peru and in parts of Africa the Muslims and Sudan.

Oh listen we have no idea what Christianity is all about. I just finished reading and I told you a book about Chinese women that lead these home groups and this is current this is as of 1998 put out by Brother Andrew at Church of the Open what's it called the Open Door or something like that.

But anyway people go through even the women but for the men it's much worse. There's nothing about popping in prison for 10 years 20 years 30 years putting them up in the frozen part there to try to work and live with no food they're not warm enough everything is freezing then when young guards went through and they had their big revolt against the intellectuals I mean the way the scholars the Chinese scholars and people of letters and professional people and everything the idea was the bourgeois there to be wiped out and these kids went through man did they suffer.

And then before that the Chinese suffered in Nanking when the Japanese came and read about Nanking and the things that went on there and all the Chinese had been taught about the rapture they were going to be raptured and they went through this terrible race called the Rape of Nanking by the Japanese and that's nothing.

I've been reading a book about history and I put it down and I said Lord this is a vile world it's a vile world and we in America are in some kind of a birdcage. I mean this is not real and so it's hard for us to picture where these Christians are coming from where these words are coming from and when he said to those people if you shrink back you're going to be destroyed.

I mean he didn't pull any punches and they didn't all leave the church and go to the church around the corner that told them the grace rapture in heaven. I mean this is all they had and these were Jews.

That's why all that's why all of the people in the 11th chapter are all Jews. See they could understand that he said this is what it means to live by faith. One of the Habakkuk's said that whoever said it or Hosea which one said that Joshua lived by faith.