Desert Survival Series Pt 12- Moses the Servant of God — Don Courville

Moses’ Signs Before Israel

Thank you. Turn your Bible, if you would, to Exodus chapter 4, and read the passage of Jephthah this morning, verses 1 through 9. This is chapter 4, starting with verse 1. But behold, they will not believe me, nor hearken unto my voice.

For they will say, The Lord is not a spirit of the deep. And the Lord said unto him, What is that in thine hand? And he said, A rod. And he said, Cast it on the ground. And he cast it on the ground, and it became a serpent.

And Moses fled from the forest. And the Lord said unto Moses, Put forth thine hand, and take it by the tail. And he put forth his hand, and caught it, and it became a rod in his hand. That they may believe that the Lord God of their fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, hath appeared unto thee.

And the Lord said unto him, Put now thine hand into thy bosom. And he put his hand into his bosom. And when he took it out, behold, his hand was leprous as snow. And he said, Put thine hand into thy bosom again.

And he put his hand into his bosom again, and plucked it out of his bosom. And behold, it was turned into his other flesh, turned again as his other flesh. And it shall come to pass, if they will not believe thee, neither hearken unto the voice of the first sign, they will believe the voice of the latter sign.

And it will come to pass, it shall come to pass, if they will not believe also these two signs, neither hearken unto thy voice, that thou shalt take up the water of the river and pour it upon the dry land.

And the water which thou takest out of the river shall become blood upon the dry land of bread. O Father, unless you speak through our hearts, we won't get anything out of this message. And unless you are the one that does the teaching, we won't learn.

Unless you're the one that speaks through me, this human instrument won't do me any good. I just yield myself afresh to you, Holy Spirit. You do the teaching, you do the preaching, you do the ministry.

Maybe we need something in our life to be straightened out. Maybe we have a problem. Maybe we have a burden. Maybe we have a sin. Whatever it is, I know that you can do the work that you want to do. You said that your word would not return to your voice, but that it would accomplish that which you please.

My prayer is that your word would accomplish that which you please. In Jesus' name, Amen. We're going through on our Moses desert discourse, our desert survival series. And Moses, the circle of God, is what we've titled it.

Moses’ Fear of Rejection

And we started off this little section on the five excuses of Moses. And this is a continuation of the third excuse where Moses says, they won't accept me. The first one, he says, Lord, I don't have the ability to go.

God said, I want you to go to deliver Israel. He says, I don't have any ability. He says, well, how about if I go with you? Well, that's shot that. Then he says, I don't have any authority. Then he says, you've got authority.

You've got my name. I am. Whatever you need, I am to you. And then he says, Lord, they won't accept me. And that's where we are today. And actually, these are fears in life. And the next one we'll get into next week is, I can't speak, fear of death.

But he says, they won't accept me. And we saw last week how he was afraid of being rejected. And God really goes into quite a detail in answering fear that he has with an excuse. They just won't believe me.

And last week we looked at rejection. Rejection is a terrible thing to go through. And many of us have gone through different forms of rejection. And Moses was by that experience. Because he thought that he was going to deliver Israel.

Forty years he lived for that moment. Then when he made his move, they rejected him. And he had to run out into the desert. For another forty years he's out there. And then God meets him. Actually, he's at the burning bush, which is his cross.

The Cross and Dying to Self

When we come to the cross, we die to self. And we live to God. We come to a new life. This is where the Christian life begins, is the cross. This cross is the death, burial, and resurrection experience.

And he's had a little trouble dying. That's one of the problems in the Christian life, is we want to live. And God says, no, you've got to stay dead and let me live. Then you're going to find life. This is what Paul says.

The need to live is Christ. And whenever I live my life, then I radiate self. Because people don't like self. You know? We offend. We do things wrong. We say things wrong. But when Christ lives through us, then Christ radiates the fruit of His Spirit.

Which is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, stillness, goodness, faith, meekness, temperance. These things, nobody can say anything against. You see, they couldn't condemn Christ on His character. They couldn't condemn Christ on His person.

He was beautiful. There was nothing there that they could get Him on. So they had to try to get Him to the cross on some false charges. And this is the way the world will be against us. If they can't get it one way, they'll come around.

We're going to learn some things, though. When you are living in the Spirit, and somebody rejects the message that you've given them about Christ, they're not rejecting you. They're really rejecting God.

And we have to learn that we have to die to self and not be so sensitive to others because they're hurting. Well, Moses, he had a tough time, and God is trying to mend him up now. At the cross, one of the things about the cross is it remakes us.

It mends us. We've been so bruised and battered in our own life that we need a remaking. Well, we need to get into our lesson today. This is just to you. This is hard today. Sometimes it's easy. Sometimes it's hard.

This is hard. And I had a hard time in this passage, just trying to find out really what God was saying. He's been teaching me a lot of things in this passage. It's just been hard. It wasn't until this morning that I really grabbed a hold of something that I think maybe this passage has to do with.

Commitment in the Face of Rejection

And I think it's in the area of commitment. Commitment. Now, God's talking mostly about rejection. And rejection's a hard thing. There's some things that Jesus said. One thing he said, in John 15, he said, If the world hates you, he said, remember this.

You know that it hated me before it hated you. One of the things about being rejected is self does not like to be rejected. This is why it's so hard for kids when they get into school. In school, peer pressure.

I went through that last week. They do things. We do things. We dress funny. Just because we don't want to be rejected, we want to be accepted. But when it comes down to making a commitment to Jesus Christ, we have to make a decision of who we want to stand up for.

Commitment really comes down to this. It's measured by what it takes to stop that commitment. Many times in my past life, I've had a commitment to Jesus Christ, but my commitment stopped to the person where I didn't want to be rejected.

Brian and I had an interesting little ordeal yesterday. I don't think I was in a pretty good state for this trip. But we have a meditation program, Saturday afternoon. If you'd like to begin on it, let Brian know.

But maybe we didn't pray enough. But we went and talked to this one guy, and we didn't do very good with him. He drove up, and we were there. And then showed he was in a hurry and didn't want to spend much time with us.

And then when we were leaving, Brian said, He's your typical heart attack victim. He's all getting to his way, and you're going to run over him. Eat your life. And I thought, Brian was thinking of him.

When he said that, I thought, yeah, he'll give us a heart attack. And we were so afraid to say anything. We didn't want to have a heart attack. We didn't want him to have a heart attack. One of these rough types.

But it's interesting. Our commitment to Jesus Christ just got a little shaky there. You know, that we want to get beat to a pulp. But on the other hand, we didn't want to offend him. He was in a hurry.

He didn't want to tie it up. So we backed off. We didn't go very far. But we're going to touch down and do something to do that. But commitment is measured by what it takes to stop that commitment. And rejection is an interesting thing in that life.

And many times I think fear of rejection stops us from doing what God wants us to do. Well, our object today is to try to discern what is the meaning of the rod that left his hand and the water turned into blood.

The Rod as God’s Word and Authority

And this passage is so full of stuff. And I've got a habit of coming up with lots of detail. This is why sometimes I get this long. And I like detail. I was just saying, Lord, maybe I ought to cut out some of this stuff.

I've got this point. But I think there's some essential things that we need to know in the area of rejection. These things, I thought, it just fascinated me that God showed these things to Moses so that Israel would believe.

But I think deep down, God is building up Moses more than Israel at this point. He's given this more to Moses, I believe, than for Israel. Later on, he's going to use him if he has to. The rod is key.

But Moses needs to be built up. He said, God, I'm going to go there and they're not going to accept me. Well, he did have a little trouble with that. But God has shown him, listen, that's not your problem.

If they reject you, they're really rejecting me. Don't get all bent out of shape, by the way. We're so self-oriented. We're to be God-oriented, God-conscious instead of self-conscious. Why is it self-conscious?

We've got a problem. That's why the telegrams have been so good, because we live in a desert. This is our Desert Survival Series. How to survive in the desert is what we're learning. Well, Moses is in the desert, but God is teaching him how to survive.

Now, the rod. He has this rod. Verses 2 -5 goes with the rod. And the rod represents, to me, I believe it represents the power and authority of the Word of God. He's going to use this rod over and over and over again.

I tell you this is why we can't just bypass this rod. We need to understand the basis of the rod. Because when we get in there, and he shakes that rod, man, those guys are going to run. He raises the rod, and they're going to win a war.

He raises the rod in the sea parts. The rod, I believe, represents the power and authority of the Word of God. What did David say? Psalms 23 -4, Thy rod and thy staff, they comfort me. Moses has for his comfort the rod.

The rod represents the authority and the power of the Word of God. Now, symbolically, that rod meant four things to man. What kind of rod was it? He's standing there before the bush, the burning bush, and he's got a rod in his hand.

And God even says, what do you got in your hand? The Lord said to him, what is that in thy hand? He said, a rod. Just an ordinary rod. Just a shepherd's rod. And here's what that rod stood for. That rod stood, first of all, for humility.

The Rod as a Symbol of Humility

You know why it stood for humility? It was a symbol of loneliness. One of the Egyptian monks on the shepherd is the lowest of the low. Remember, in I think it was Genesis 46 -34, it says they were despised.

And Joseph knew this, so he had to make sure that his family, when they came into the land, stayed over in a place out of the way. So they stayed over in Goshen. That would be good for shepherds. They were cattlemen, ranchers.

But the Egyptians despised them. So it was a symbol of humility. And Jesus said, I have given them my word. And his prayer, the Lord's Prayer, was John 17. Recycled prayers back in Matthew 6 where you have to reverse.

But he said, in the Lord's Prayer he said, I have given them thy word, and the world hath hated them because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world. The rod, he had that rod as a symbol of loneliness and humility.

When we take upon ourselves to live by the word of God, we take upon ourselves a symbol of humility. Because we humble ourselves to the word. And the world looks at us and says, you're crazy. You're fanatical.

You see, they've got a Bible on their shelf somewhere in their home that's covered with dust. And they think they're spiritual because they've got a Bible. But if you and I try to live by that Bible, they think that we're crazy.

So we are humbled when we identify with the word. And the word of God, as we live by it, is humbling. Because as we put it into our lives, we find out that our lives are not matched up by it. And we change our course.

And when our course goes different from the direction of other people, it begins to convict them. And they think that we're picking on them sometimes. And they begin to lash out at us. Well, the word of God brings us to a point of humility.

The Rod as Foolishness and Weakness

And that rod represents humility. And that's the thing that's the symbol of foolishness. Because here comes Moses. He's got a trump in there. And Pharaoh is what he wants. He says, God doesn't let my people go.

And this whole authority before Pharaoh is that rod he's got in his hand. That's what he uses. Why should I let you go? Well, here's why. He's using that rod. He gets Pharaoh licking up his life with that rod.

And he doesn't beat him over the head. But the word of God, he says, God's going to do this. And the word represents the word of God. That rod is a representative of the word of God. And so he gives Pharaoh a real licking through that.

The Bible says the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness. But unto us what they're saying is the power of God. What the world counts as just crazy and foolish is the very thing that is powerful in our lives.

Now, there's another thing about it. It's a symbol of weakness. To live by faith in the sight of the world is a symbol of foolishness. To live by faith is a symbol of weakness. The world says, I can make it.

We can make it. We can do it. That's the whole essence of humanism. We can do it. We don't need God. So let's get him out of our textbooks, out of our life, because we can handle it. And if you try to live by the word of God, and you try to live by faith and by prayer, that is foolish.

And that is what the world is saying today. That's what the educational system is saying to our kids. It's weakness to live by the word of God. Well, God says he's chosen the weak things of the world to confound, to shame, the things which are mighty.

And so that rod is a symbol of weakness. Do you remember when David came out there to meet Obelix? This is what the word of God is. It's a symbol of foolishness. To be unsafe. The very fact that they will not pay attention to it.

If you think something is essential, then you'll do it. Well, David ate and prepared a lion. He ate nothing more than them. And he showed them. But that's foolishness. The power of God is represented by this rod.

So here, can you imagine Obelix walking in there? Poor Pharaoh, he's got this rod. And he's going to whip the whole army of Pharaoh with that rod. He's going to whip the whole nation with that shepherd's rod.

Boy, Pharaoh's got all his howitzers out there, his tanks, his anti-air guns, his missiles and all that stuff. Boy, you ought to know. No, you're not. My weapon's going to beat you. Ha, ha, ha, he said.

You're not going to beat me. Well, we'll find out when we get in there. One other thing. It's a symbol of authority. With the Word of God, listen. With the Word of God, you've been to it. There's never been a human being lived yet that has broken.

There's been many, like Asians, who have tried to defeat it. Like, what was it, Indersold? He was one of the greatest, I think. Man, he could have destroyed all the Bibles. And it was interesting. If 100 years after his death they'd had a great big Bible society, he turned his house into a big Bible society.

Christ the Rejected Cornerstone

You know, he was going to wipe out all the Bibles in the world. You've been to it, or it will break to you. I was reading something that Jesus said in Matthew 21, 42. You know, when Jesus came in, and he told them that he was the Messiah, and they didn't like it.

And I was looking at this passage, and I thought I'd mark it, but I didn't. In Matthew 21 and 42, he quoted something to them about the stone. He says, The stone which the builders rejected has become the head corner.

This is the more it's doing, it's marking in our eyes. Therefore saying to you, the kingdom of God shall be taken from you and given to a nation, bringing forth the fruits thereof. What he's saying is, this builder is building this building.

And he gets this stone over here, and this stone is supposed to be the cornerstone. The very first stone that's put on the foundation. This is to be the stone, and he just pushes it aside. He doesn't want it.

He gets another one. Well, Jesus Christ was to be the stone, the cornerstone for the whole nation. And when he came, they rejected him. The religious leaders rejected him. And then Jesus said, listen to this.

He said, right after he's telling them this, And whosoever shall fall on this stone shall be broken. But on whosoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder. It will grind him to powder. You know that when God was through with Israel, it was just as Jesus prophesied.

There was hardly one stone on another. They had tried to beat God. They had tried to put aside the stone, which was the Lord Jesus Christ. And in doing, they were defeated and ground to powder. Even as a believer, do you know that if you will not obey the word of God, it will break you.

Your own disobedience will break you. Do you remember Samson? Samson was told to do this by God and to do that by God. And he had so much power, and he got carried away with his own power to where he thought he could point to sin.

And that's our first downfall as a believer. When we begin to do it to God, it's sin. He thought he could point to sin, and he got to fooling around with that Delilah. He ended up getting a haircut. And he lost his power.

And the scripture says that when they took him in, they gouged out his eyes. They bound him with chains, and they put him on the stone to grind him. And it says, and he did grind. I've marked that in my Bible.

Samson then said, and he did grind. As a believer, if we will not be very careful about our lives and what the word of God says, we will grind away in life. And Jesus doesn't intend for us to be. That's what sin does.

It makes you just grind. You just fall like a worm. You just sort of crawl through life, hoping nobody steps on you and squashes you. We're to be victorious. We're to be overcomers. But if you and I will let one sin into our life, we will begin to grind.

This is why confession is so important. Well, it's a symbol of authority. Now, something else. There was the symbol of the rod, but also there was the surrender of the rod. One thing Moses learned out in that desert, 40 years with God along with those dumb sheep and cattle, whatever he had out there, he learned obedience.

Surrendering the Rod to God

He learned that he had been disobedient before. But now he learned obedience. One thing Moses learned in the desert was to obey. Now, later on we're going to see where his besetting sin, and I believe each of us has a besetting sin, one sin, maybe that we're not careful, that will destroy our life.

We've got to get victory over that and keep our victory. And he had a problem with temper, I think. This was angry, angry. But later on that sin came in and destroyed him because of disobedience. But he learned to obey.

And so God says, what's that in your hand? He says, a rod. He says, throw it down. Now, I like this. Can you imagine what would have happened if he hadn't thrown it down? He's standing there holding a big old five-foot rock, you know?

Do you know why it's dangerous to say, why is it a rod? God made it to show you why. Now, I just imagine Moses there at the burning bush, and God says, throw it down. He says, why? Now, I know why. He's scared of snakes anyway.

But he says, throw it down. There's a lesson there. It's not just funny. You know, that is funny. But that is it. Whatever God asks me to do, whatever God asks me to give to him, let me say it like that, whatever God asks me for, I better give it to him.

Because it's always better to give to God what he wants for you than to have to take it away. You know, have you ever asked something from your little child? You say, give Daddy that. Of course, man, they tighten up on the grip.

There's two hands on it. If Daddy wants it, he's not going to get it. But guess what? Daddy's going to do it. Daddy's going to jerk it out of their hand. You know, maybe they've got a sharp knife. And they give it to Daddy.

And the little baby, they take off the rod. They can cost the baby with a steak knife. They don't have the steaks, but they've got the steak knife. Anyway, he's running over the door with a steak knife.

He's going to take it away. This is the way we are. God tries to take something from us. We grab a whole titer. He's got a pretty good grip. He can jerk it right out of our shoes. We're not careful. Well, Moses, I mean, he learned to obey.

One thing he did, he just threw it down. That's one thing he just did right there. Arguing with God on why he shouldn't go. But at least he didn't make that mistake and say why with that rod. And remember our lesson, too.

Whatever is yielded to God is never lost. Yielded to God is never lost. Whatever we try to keep, we lose. Now, Moses could have said this. Well, God, you want me to throw down this? It's a good rod, you know, Lord.

I use this thing to lean on when I'm watching the traffic go by out here in the desert. I lean on this rod, and I fight off wolves and coyotes, and I beat snakes on the head with it. It's a good rod, Lord.

Why do you want me to throw it this time? He didn't argue. He just did it. Now, God is going to take that thing, that rod, and he's going to build Moses' whole life around that rod. Do you think that God could take the very thing that you're having a big problem with right now and make that into the greatest victory of your life?

I know some of you have been having some real struggles. We've been going through them. We've been going through them. We pray over them. And I got to thinking of one of them this week. We've been going through them.

Why can't we just give before God and just have God give us a real victory in this area? And we're going to do it. But God is saying, give me that rod. And Moses says, okay, you can have it. Now, Moses has been dying.

This magic training series is a death process. He's had to die to his pride. He's had to die to his plans. He's had to die to his possessions. He's had to die to his position. And now God's going to take the only thing he has, his security blanket, away from him.

Lord, that's all I got. My little rod left. I lost my position in Egypt. I used to be, I could have been a pharaoh, you know, down there.

And my family, I'd see Mom and Dad and my brothers and sisters. And now you want my rod?

Give me the rod. And he does. And he throws it down, and what happens to the rod? It turns into a snake. And what does Moses do? Just like any of us would do. He jumped about 50 feet in the air and yelled as loud as he could, Ah!

Snake! Have you ever thought about why he was carrying that snake? Big old John Mosey. I don't know about you, but I would have done the same. We'd all done the same, probably. He's human. But do you know what that snake represented?

Satan, Fear, and the Serpent

To an Egyptian. Snake represented to an Egyptian. Let me go down through this. It was a symbol. It was a symbol of the Egyptian god. The snake. The Egyptian worshipped the snake. The snake was a symbol of Satan's power of being afraid of the snake.

The snake was to be afraid of you. You are not to be driven by the power of the evil one. But we are the ones that are in control. Because greater is he that is in us than he that is in the world. You learn some things in the desert about snakes, don't you?

One thing you learn is you don't fool with a snake. You take care of that snake. But I'm going to use you. I can be the one. Satan is a defeated enemy. He had Egypt in bondage and even Moses was afraid, probably, of the power of Pharaoh.

And that's why he didn't want to go back. You see, when we get saved, one of the things we want to do is just stay in our little world, right in church, stay in our little church and all praise the Lord.

And we'll go out. We don't want to say anything. We're afraid we're going to have a heart and somebody's going to give us a heart attack. You know, right into a heart attack type. And it eats you up. But God says, listen, I want you to take it by the tail.

I'm going to show you what I'm going to do with it. Now, there's not only the surrender of the rod, but notice he says, I want you to submit to the rod. When he said to Moses, the Lord said to Moses, put forth thy hand and take it by the tail.

He put forth his hand and caught it. And it became a rod in his hand. I've got to give Moses a lot of credit there. God would have probably had to chase me down if he said that. You don't grab snakes by the tail.

You know that, don't you? That's one place you don't grab a snake. Then the other place where you grab, you don't grab either. It's behind the head. Unless you've got him forked down and he's sick. And even then, I won't pick up a snake.

So Moses, he went down and picked up this snake. And this is another lesson. Submission to the rod. And God is saying, look, Egypt had you by the tail, but now you're going to have him by the tail. I think that's what God is saying.

We're in control. Moses, from now on, you will never carry the rod. You see, when Moses picked up the rod, picked up that snake, it turned into a rod. And he never again was afraid of a snake. I don't think he was anymore.

Why should you be afraid of a snake when you're carrying one around all the time? That's, you know, you have the power of God there. Now then, before we go to verse 5, let me just show this. I highlighted this.

Satan will keep you in fear if he can. He will keep you in fear if he can. You see, Moses, God is delivering him from his fears. He's delivering him. Satan will keep you there if he can. Then verse 5, there was the sermon of the rod.

The Signs Are Given to Produce Faith

The whole sermon was that they may believe that the Lord thy God hath called thee unto his name. You know, the Scripture says in John 20, 30 through 31 that the things that were written were written that they might believe.

Listen, there are many other signs to Jesus in the presence of his disciples which are not written in this book, but these are written that you might believe that Jesus is the Christ of some God, that believing you might have life in his name.

That's a very clear, very good prophecy. All of this was written for them to believe so that we'd be saved, we'd have life through his name. Now, there's the leper's hand. Before we get out of here, we've got to cover the hand a little bit.

The Leprous Hand and Cleansing from Sin

Why the leper's hand? Verses 6 and 7. Leprosy represents what? Rod represented the word. Leprosy represented sin. I'll get my mitts off. Represented sin. The leper's hand. You know where the leper's hand is?

In Israel? They lived outside of the camp. They lived outside of the camp. Now, this is a fascinating little section. I don't know if I can track the purpose of this, but let me go through it quickly.

The hand represented activity. And God is saying it's a multitude of things. The activity of the flesh has got to be cleansed. And the activity of the flesh comes from the heart. Whatever's in our heart, our mouth says, our hands do, our feet take it.

And God said, listen, all of this activity of the flesh is sin. The heart, He said, put it in your heart, that represents a sinful heart. You know? He had unzipped his down-filled jacket, you know, and got his vest and put it inside.

He said, move, move, move. And he was told that there was nothing. Anyway, God was telling him some lessons. Moses, listen, all of this activity in your past life is going to be flesh. It's over. Put it inside and it brings it out and it ends leprosy.

He said, that's what's in your heart. Put it in again. He puts it in again and it comes out. He says, Moses, I'm going to cleanse you. The blood of Christ, when it comes from the cross, the blood of Christ comes out of all sin.

Moses is going through it. Cleansing experience at the cross, the burning bushes at the cross. And God is just showing him this leprous hand represents your life, without being real in your life. Sin is hidden in your heart.

And now I'm exposing your sin. And then he said, put it back in there. But I'm cleansing you from your sin. And there's a reason. And that's because the hand or the life that handles the word of God, the rod of God, the word of God has to be a cleansed hand.

Unless you have a cleansed heart. This is why Jesus said, a good man out of the good treasure of his heart brings forth good things. And an evil man out of the evilness of his heart brings forth the evil things.

And he said, Moses, I'm cleansing you. This is a cleansing experience. The cleansed heart is represented by the cleansed hand. And then moving on to the third thing, he said, listen, in case they don't believe the first time, Moses didn't use those signs for God.

He didn't use the rod. And I guess he used the leper's hand. I can't remember if he used it with a barrel. Maybe he did. But he said, listen, just in case they don't believe these signs of the rod turning into a snake and you're going to see how he's confronting the death.

And then the leper's hand. If they won't believe that, you go get some water out of the Nile, and you take that water and you pour it, and it's going to turn into blood. If they won't believe, then it'll turn into blood.

The Nile Turned to Blood and the Warning of Death

And what's he saying there? He said, listen, the Nile to the Egyptians, the Nile to everybody over in that part of the country represented life. But out the Nile, they had a desert. Did you know that?

It's life. And he said, if you don't believe, if you don't believe, your life will become death. Blood was a symbol of death. The Nile was a symbol of life. And he says, you take their symbol of life, and you pour it out as a symbol of death.

If you don't believe, there's nothing left but death. This is why Jesus said, if you don't believe, then there's nothing left but the face of the wrath of God. If you haven't trusted Jesus Christ today, and you haven't totally committed your life to Him, to live for Him, to love Him, to be surrendered to Him, you're living in death.

The Bible says He that has the Son has life. If you don't have Jesus Christ, you don't have eternal life. You don't have anything, as he says. You have nothing. And so he says, you go back there, and if they reject you, the testimony that you will give to them is this.

You take the symbol of their life, and you pour it out on the ground. That's all that's left, is death. And I read a fascinating story on the Titanic, that would make a tremendous turmoil if that completely was done.