Wanna Come to Israel with Dr. White and Jeff Durbin?

Greetings and welcome to The Dividing Line. My name is James White and before we get started today, we have a big big big big announcement to make. I was a little surprised that we were doing this right now, but we're doing it right now.

I'm not sure what's wrong my mouse. But anyway. This is a live program we're professionals anyway. So, you know some of you may recall last Mmm October early November I had the opportunity of briefly visiting the state of Israel and I had Resisted going.

I really had. Mainly because I had been told it was just heavily commercialized and I was just I don't know I just didn't wasn't a big big thing on my on my list and I have mentioned that that Trip changed my thinking about that in in many many different ways and Not in the sense of well, you got to do this so that you can have major spiritual experiences, but as far as being able to contextualize Visualize.

The Value of Visiting the Holy Land

Put things where they need to be put as far as the events of Scripture. The relationship of where things are. Really really really helpful extremely important highly recommended and so we've been doing some talking with some folks and.

So we have a big announcement to make and to help me explain all of this. We have I'm going to refer to her because I've how. Let me see here how long. Kathy how long have we known each other?

At least I would say 20 years.

20 so you were two when we met. Remember you were young and it's just a precocious child then I guess but. It has been a long long time and I can't keep track of all your official titles and stuff with sovereign.

But what's your who are we speaking with here for? Official purposes. You're the president. I don't know how you say that in Chinese, but. Oh what. Okay, that sounds that sounds much better than El Presidente.

I can That but anyway I've lost track of how many cruises and things we've done. The last thing we did was in fact I was mentioning to rich. I was saying well, you know if she's nervous coming on me Just just tell her to to think pretend that she's staying on top of the Vartburg Castle that's where you and I had a really interesting conversation about Martin Luther and Anna Baptist and everything else.

Just before the 500th anniversary of the Reformation. We had a grand grand time there in Germany. Well, you and I did we know some other people. That was a wonderful thing, but I was about to say and then of course we had that incredible Dinner that night there at the castle, which was just like a fairy tale type thing.

But I was gonna say was you and I enjoyed that there are certain other people because of their Deutsche phobia. That aren't quite as excited when they're in Germany as others other people are but anyway, we won't get into that right now, so We have been talking and you all have put together a pretty amazing Itinerary for what I can only describe as sort of a I'd describe this as a bucket list type.

Trip. Oh, definitely. There's so many port destinations on this cruise. You're hitting a lot of.

Major must-see ports. Yeah. Yeah you are so I don't even know everything about it. Okay. So I'm I'm gonna be learning as we're going along. But the most the thing that immediately should catch everybody's attention Is we're talking about?

Rome and Ephesus and Israel is that and Athens and Athens? Well, there you go. So you've got you've got Mars Hill you've got. You've got a bunch of stuff with Paul there and then you have Israel as well, and I I have to explain to people I wouldn't have understood how this could have worked Before I I got over there because it People have the idea.

Well, how in the world if you're on a ship? Can you tour Israel because people don't realize how tiny? Israel is right. It is so Small it's incredible. I mean the distances that we covered by bus going from place to place in Germany.

We're much longer than oh, yeah, almost any of the drives that you can you we would be three countries over by the time.

And on the cruise you get three full days in Israel. So we'll be able to cover a lot of land during our time there.

Right, so we've got Jerusalem and we'll be able to get to Galilee and. And and those things like that and then exactly and then adding into that the. Now I haven't been to Ephesus and I haven't been to Athens I have been to Rome very briefly.

You go ahead. Well, I didn't realize it was your first time to. That's that's great. We'll be able to take you there for your first time. It's amazing. Especially the Excavation that's going there. I think it will just blow your mind to see what they have uncovered.

Well, I've been told by those in the know and you know, ho that is that the the ruins there are just Light years beyond almost anything else student that you can see. It's just an incredible place. Yeah, and of course Paul spends three years there.

You've got x -17 and in Athens and. And of course, there's all sorts of things we can talk about in Rome, too, so. There's there's just so many things packed into into one trip, but that's a long ways from here so.

Sort of helpful that we are announcing this. Because we're talking we recognize that for a lot of folks who'd want to do something like this. This is something you got to save up for us is something you got to.

You know make make plans for we're not talking about to go in next month.

What are the dates for our trip? So our dates for the Holy Land cruise is September 26 through October 8 2020 so so we are more than a year out. In plenty of time to save that's right.

And and our folks our folks need that now. I also need to mention that we have a Website up and I'm scrolling back through all the messages. There we go. And it is the Holy Land cruise stock the Holy Land cruise calm, which looks like the Holy Land cruise calm or something like that.

There's a look like there's and in there someplace, but the Holy Land cruise all one word calm. And when you go there you may be asking a question Well, who's gonna be doing the speaking on a trip like this?

And that's when you will discover that there are two of us primarily even though there will be others obviously who will Come along and we'll be involved as well because when you go and visit these sites.

So for example last last year I got to lead a Bible study on John chapter 6 at Capernaum on the seashore next to the Sea of Galilee, which was you know, pretty pretty amazing thing To be able to do but the two of us primarily Doing the speaking on this this trip will be myself and my fellow pastor Jeff Durbin who will also Early, okay.

I'm gonna change. I was gonna say early in the morning because you it you know that I'm an early morning person. Right and running. I know you're gonna schedule those in as well. So so you and I will lead the morning running people.

Because I have pictures of you and I running with you know, it's sort of sad I know you're in London all the time, but it's I don't know. It's sort of sad right now Big Ben, you know I mean, yeah, I know it's covered up.

It's totally covered up. It's like and it's quiet. It's it's sad, but we've got a good picture of you and I running with Big Ben the background and and Big Ben was still doing his Big Ben thing back then but but we'll do the early morning stuff because I happen to know that Jeff Durbin is not an early morning person and.

So maybe he'll do some late-night karate exhibitions or something. I'm not really sure but They have I don't know if you say you didn't I bet you didn't see this I'll send in the link to it but Just yesterday Jeff posted a video I'm not sure if you heard the the the craze on the internet right now where people are kicking.

Bottletops off of bottles. And you know, I hadn't heard of that, but I actually saw the video. Oh, you did.

Yeah, so so Jeff Durbin will be speaking and doing security all at the same time. It's it's a multitasking thing that we've got him doing. So but no Jeff and I will be speaking and Obviously at each one of those locations.

There is just so much That we will be able to. Well, there's so much that we won't be able to cover. I mean to be perfectly honest with you. I mean, there's just only so much time.

That we'll be able to do with sovereign and Alpha and Omega is that we customize these short excursions Specifically to what you and Jeff want to teach and want to see so that's the one great thing we do.

It's not just the typical excursion that celebrity does but really really cater it and customize it to what you want to do. And then as well, we have our included lectures while we're at sea and you have the benefit of teaching there.

So it's great all around as far as deciding on you know, who to go with on your Israel.

Okay, right, right. Yeah now now obviously. You know, there isn't all that much time at sea in comparison to a lot of cruises. That you might do. And when we're in Israel, how many I mean, how many different ports do we go to in Israel?

So we go. We have I see here two days in Ashdod and one day in Haifa. Typically we'll get you know a full day in Jerusalem a full day Sea of Galilee area and then also we can visit the Dead Sea on one of the other.

Run run run. Yeah.

I'm sure I'm sure Jeff is is is listening right now and so the the fun thing we're gonna have to be doing for the next couple months is is like having competitions as To okay who gets to do the study?

While standing with the background is Qumran cave 7 where the Isaiah scroll was found or forks gets cave 4. You know who gets to do that? Let's see and he'll challenge me to kick something which I can't do because I would break every bone in my body if I tried That but I'll challenge him to ride a bike up a mountain and he can't do that either.

So that's how well, that's how we'll work all this. You don't want it you don't want to do any of those things. It sounds like it'd be fun but. But now. Yeah, Ryan, I want I want to see Ryan do the bottle bottle cap kicking.

Say let's not go there. No Ryan. Stop. Stop. I don't want you to hurt yourself you you hurt yourself way too often as it is, um, so. Now when we were when we were over there, we didn't do the cruise type thing.

We just did the tour in in Israel type thing. And so you'd have to Go to different locations and then you stay the night in different places. So as pack up. You know drag your your luggage out to the bus type of type of situation.

The advantage we have here is you get settled in your cabin and the next time you pack up is when you're done. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's that is really really really nice now we will be spending time together on buses because you got to get to where you're going, but.

Again people, you know the thing I've tried to communicate to people is that when I stood on the shore of the Sea of Galilee I was stunned to realize that you can see the other shore wherever you are so north south east west you can see all the way across and.

That just gives you an idea of how small Israel actually actually is and so you can get to places. I mean, I think the longest I think the longest. Bus ride we took may have gotten close to an hour and I think that's when we were going from way up near Galilee all the way down toward the Dead Sea area or something.

Yeah down traffic, yeah, so. So the big advantage for a lot of folks will be. If you don't like the packing unpacking packing unpacking thing that this will be this will be really really really really nice.

Yeah, so that is a tremendous tremendous opportunity So we're talking about October of 2020 now my understanding though is that there is Now obviously Will. Will our our folks overseas? Be able to contact you.

Absolutely, because I mean obviously someone in in Europe has a bit of an advantage on those of us who aren't as far as. As far as that goes, but they'd be able to contact you all and you all be able to work out.

How all of that how all exactly feel. You know anyone wherever you're from. If you're interested Feel free to contact us and we can definitely help you get on the ship. Oh, yeah.

I mean I've got friends down in South Africa that I think would very much like to be able to do this and so there is Look sovereign knows everything everything there is to know about the the the international travel biz.

Including passports and stuff like that. So if people have questions, don't ask me don't ask Jeff. We will give you bad information. Who actually know. And they will be able to help you with all of that kind of stuff because it's extremely important to know.

Absolutely, and they just wanted to mention. I don't think we Named the name of the ship are gonna be on. Oh, yes. It's going to be the celebrity reflection and I know you've been on some celebrity ships in the past.

What are your thoughts on?

Celebrity. Oh, yeah, I mean the As as as you know the the funny thing about me and that won't be the case on this trip is I rarely get off the ship. That's so true. I am NOT I am NOT the excursion guy, but obviously this time that's the whole reason is to be the excursion guy.

So I spend a lot of time on ships. When everyone else is getting off. I'm up on the on the rail going have a nice time guys. See you later. And then I'm off Enjoying the gym when there's nobody up there and stuff like that.

But all of these these ships are just amazing. I Compare them to the the first Cruises that we took back in. What was that? Good grief. When was that? 1999 or something. And we were on. I remember it was the carnival imagination.

That's all I remember. Yes, but no we've been on some some beautiful beautiful ships. I haven't been on this one. The picture looks great. But you know, the food is always just amazing and if you're expecting to lose weight anyway.

No, actually on this trip. We we do so much walking you. Yeah, you might you might you might actually even things out but You ain't gonna lose too much because the food on on board and stuff. But we're gonna be spending a lot of time off ship.

At least I want to because I want to spend as much time as I possibly can in places like Ephesus and Athens and obviously Israel in places like that.

I just wanted to mention a couple of things about pricing for those who are interested in going and Wondering how it works with the excursion pricing. So all excursions are an additional cost. So you can actually pick and choose which ports you'd want to go out and and participate in the excursion.

So it's not Included in the cruise rate. So I just wanted to make that clear and then also we do have an early savings rate. So if you sign up by July 22nd, and yes, that is this month this month of this year You'll get to save $150 per person.

So we kind of have a couple of weeks here for a really really good discount.

So encourage everyone to sign up before July 22nd. Now you that that's signing up and providing a deposit not the whole thing. Exactly. Just a deposit. Correct? Yeah, I was gonna say most people are going.

About a full year almost to make your final payment, okay.

Yeah, I I know that trips like this Are for a lot of folks it's a bucket list type thing. It's an opportunity to see places. You only dreamed about ever seeing and so, you know flights and things like that can be challenging and can be expensive, but you're talking about seeing stuff that you've you've seen in pictures, but to actually stand there and to be there with other people and It's it's it really is an amazing experience.

I wish I could tell you all about Ephesus and Athens, but this is to be a first for me, too. But it certainly was my experience especially in Galilee Seeing the first century synagogue at Migdal which would have been Mary Magdalene's Synagogue to know that those stones probably heard the Lord preaching and teaching there is just There is something truly special about that.

And for those of us who are really intent upon handling the word correctly. It really did add that element for me in a real real big way. So you've got that plus plus what's happening outside of Israel, it's gonna be incredible and we're looking forward to October of 2020 which I'm really glad because October is before November of 2020 and November of 2020 is crazy time Here in the United States so we'll be able to actually escape the ultra crazy part of it and and be gone for some of the some of the most nasty of time periods during that and then Come back and and be a part of the process, I guess but well Kathy Thank you very very much for taking the time to help us understand this and make the announcement and if folks have questions I'm I don't have the website in front of me.

But yes, I do. But I'm sure there is a means for contacting. Yeah, there's contact button over on the right hand side and they can they can talk to One of the one of the highly trained staff. Oh, yes.

Yes rich. Okay, and rich would like to speak with you before after I say bye-bye so thanks so much for having me. Thank you. I'm gonna put you on hold here a second. There we go. All right. Thank you Kathy.

And So there you go, folks. I Didn't know about Athens all I knew about was I knew we were doing Rome going to and from Rome. Which obviously means that there's been some discussion of doing something before in Rome.

We haven't finalized any of that stuff yet. But as far as like a conference type thing. Which would be beyond the cruise, but we've got a lot we've got folks in Italy Germany all over Europe. And so we'll be looking at trying to do something along those lines.

But you know Getting people from here to there ain't cheap. I Understand that I understand. It's a huge investment. It is a it's a once-in-a-lifetime thing. This is not, you know, we've done cruises in the past where it's, you know, Eastern Caribbean, you know.

And you're you're gone for a week and it that one trip we did was like 289 bucks or something like that, you know, I mean, okay, but that's not a bucket list thing. That's that's not Rome and Ephesus and Athens and Jerusalem and Garden of Gethsemane and the Mount of Olives and Capernaum and everything else and Obviously, I would like to think that having Jeff and I teaching during the course of the entire trip Will be Awesome for us, but also hopefully awesome for everybody else as well.

So obviously We will be highlighting a lot of the not only the historical and things like that, but the apologetic the Apollo apologetically relevant elements of of the trip, so really excited about it and so go to The Holy Land Cruise.

I'm scrolling back again. There it is. The Holy Land Cruise all one word nothing. It's just just that just as it spelled the Holy Land Cruise comm. Just HTTP backslash backslash theholylandcruise .com and obviously, I'll Yeah, I'll I'll link it up and I'm sure we'll have a banner ad.

Probably by the end of the day. And and and here we go. So let me mention one last thing before I switch topics. There is another major ministry that is doing a very similar itinerary. They have almost 300 people on the waitlist same amenities same locations and 300 people on the waitlist.

There you go. In all probability we'll we'll sell out. Because we've got a lot of friends in Europe that So I almost feel badly for our American friends. But Give him a call. Talk to the wife ladies. Talk to the husband talk to the children and find out Just how much you want to be able to see these places and remember these places.

I can't help. I'll be honest with you. I I Can't help when I read John 6 now, but to see Capernaum To see the synagogue to see what's supposed to be Peter's house whether it is or isn't don't know would have been nearby one way one way or the other but especially I Cannot help but see the Sea of Galilee the shore and the sea and See the boats coming across and I know which direction they would have come from Lord.

How'd you get here can't help it because I've seen it now and It was it was it was special. So first thing I'm Thinking is when I get back is let's let's do it. Let's let's see what happens here. And and so There you go.

So I'm gonna make a ministry is together with the apology at church. I've got a connection between them both and Jeff and I will be doing the teaching and it will be super exciting also pray for us next week.

We are going to be Doing some some recording and some stuff on Mormonism Jeff and I together and I think it'll be really exciting stuff. And so keep that in in mind as well. Don't be asking questions in channel.

There's no one in there who can answer your questions unless unless you nickel man joined channel which he hasn't done in about ten years, but Then he could answer those questions, but there you go. All right again, thanks to Kathy for joining us and I could see I She said what president is in Chinese and it's right right out of my mind.

I can't I can't remember a thing I'm sorry about that, but that's the way it goes. All right, let's shift gears. That was a big announcement. But we have other things to get to on the program today and I Simply have not been in the vanguard forefront of The discussion of Beth Moore There are plenty of folks who are You know, I had one lady one Christian sister Just absolutely convinced that Beth Moore is actually a oneness advocate and was sending me all this stuff and I I would have to have looked up every reference and it I I didn't I couldn't it's just too much and Not high on my priority list just just isn't I mean oneness is but it just didn't seem like you know and so But at the same time I have I I would I would be completely remiss not to recognize what has been going on recently with the social justice train Pulling into the station of evangelicalism and the Reformed Church With all of its cars still attached so the racialism car is Firmly attached to the human sexuality car and so the revoice conference and The amazing things that took place the PCA General Assembly just a couple weeks ago in regards to the Nashville statement and Everything that's going on in that area the the collapse of what has For a while anyway has been called complementarianism into in reality and egalitarianism a a reflection of the fact that our culture Once you don't have a creator you cannot have created specificity in the genders in other words Male and female simply exists for the procreation of the species and once you can do that without male and female then it won't even be Relevant anymore.

So the idea that that God creates men differently from women and That this is good and it's proper and we should rejoice in this and a woman should rejoice in being a woman and a man Should rejoice in being a man.

There really isn't a ground for that in a neo-darwinian micromutational evolutionary theory. It just is what it is. There's nothing to rejoice. There's nothing rejoicing anything in in a darwinian worldview anything about.

But anyway and so as The church in the West reflects more and more the culture that it is not seeking to Be a witness to in the sense of proclaiming God's truth to see theology theology matters and And When you have a view of the church as a lifeboat that is That is escaping a sinking burning wreck that's going to change how you view the function of the church and the message of the church and When you don't believe in the sovereignty of God in salvation when you don't believe that God's working out a sovereign decree when you don't believe That he's demonstrating his wisdom Before all of creation and how he is pursuing the redemption of a particular people in Christ Jesus.

That changes everything. That changes how you view things and a church that does not see itself as the as the ambassador. For the one who is Lord over all Jesus Christ is King of Kings and Lord of Lords and that is part of our proclamation.

We have gotten ourselves Evangelicalism especially non reformed evangelicalism, but there are forms of reformed evangelicalism that don't see this either we've gotten to the point where We think the gospel does not include the proclamation of the fact that Jesus Christ is Lord over all and that every person will give An answer to him even though that's one of the first things that Paul says in Mars Hill.

Is that Jesus Christ is Lord of all when you think about the standard for spiritual laws type proclamation. There's nothing about the Lordship of of Jesus Christ or the Lordship of God in all of that it's mainly man's Lordship and will you give a little bit of it to God and Then maybe once you get somebody Into the church then you can talk about the Lordship of Christ or something like that.

It's sort of a extra spiritual step, you know to get them to go into type of thing. That's not what the Apostles did. What was so offensive to the Roman the Roman culture? Was the proclamation over against Kaiser Kourios Caesar is Lord you had Jesus Kourios Jesus is Lord that was offensive to them and so in a lot of places.

You have a utter dichotomy To where the church is just spiritual and it's just over here and it has nothing to do with this world. And you just do your your spiritual little thing over there and then on the other extreme.

You got people over here that you don't have to you don't worry about conversion. You don't worry about justification. We just all have to you know Make things better for everybody now. Let's just all sing kumbaya leftist liberalism.

In the middle you have the Apostles Who Recognize that only a person who has been changed utterly By that incredible act of regeneration. It's bowed the knee and repentance and faith to the Lord Jesus Christ only that person is going to have the right priorities and understanding of What to do?

To represent Christ as an ambassador for Christ in this world and To make a difference in the only way that we can make a difference. We've only been given one power and that power is the power of the gospel.

So theology does matter. It matters a great deal and So What does any of this have to do with Beth Moore? Well, I started seeing her popping up more and more in my feed along with many of those who are pushing the social justice Stuff and I had heard about her for years and I you know, sometimes these clips would come up and you're sort of going God told you to do what?

I mean God tells her to do lots and lots of stuff and it would be really hard to see how there's a meaningful doctrine of solo scriptura in Functionally in her teaching and her preaching because she preaches in churches.

That's just let's just be honest. That's what she's doing. But I had seen stuff but I started seeing much more. Over The past year and a half or so as this movement has gone into full steam ahead. Couple weeks ago a letter an open letter was published to Beth Moore and The letter Contained Five questions for Beth Moore in light of Her associations now some people say it's just not it's not fair to ask somebody something about their associations.

Yes, it is. People ask me about my associations of Michael Brown all the time and I have an answer. I Don't dodge it. I have an answer. I can point you to where we have openly discussed our disagreements.

Where we have made it very very plain where we disagree and where we agree and how we can work together in areas We can't work together so if you are going to take position of leadership or accept a position of leadership within the church or within the believing community as a whole and We still have this ability to communicate won't have it for long, but we still have this ability to communicate and that creates an ability to Have an impact that you otherwise would never be able to have.

If you're gonna be a Christian leader, then there are certain questions that you simply have to be able to answer today one's view on the issue of homosexuality is A major dividing line within the church.

Dr. Moeller has said it repeatedly for years now. There has the time has now come not not just there will come a day, but the time has now come Where there's no place to hide there is no place to hide and as much as it's going to hurt as much as it's going to cost us and As much as we are going to see more and more and more people Collapse into infidelity and unfaithfulness on the subject of homosexuality and oh, yeah.

They will they will they will say I hadn't read all these books or you know, there's this book I mean, there's already a hundred books out there That you could read and use as an excuse to go. Oh, I didn't know all that Homosexuality God just makes people that way.

It's just another sexual orientation. We need to accept LGBTQ and remember every single one of those letters is contradictory to any kind of biblical worldview and any kind of biblical view of Gender it just it just is it's just it's obvious but I Found a way that I can I can believe all those things and and we're just going to see more and more and more people Taking that route as the culture Places pressure upon them and they just go you know what this isn't a hill to die on because they they don't Recognize or they are unwilling to believe That this is about whether Jesus Determines what his creation is about or whether the culture does.

Because once you've determined that an issue such as Homosexuality, which is plainly addressed in Scripture, which is plainly a part of God's good law Which is plainly still a part very much of the apostolic belief in Romans 1 1st Corinthians 6 1st Timothy 1 it is fundamental to an understanding of any type of Christian ethics or Concept of law and that there's the problem the vast majority of American Christians have no concept of God's law at all.

Once you recognize that then you recognize that what the world is saying to us is say Kaiser courteous Caesar is Lord when Caesar says to us you will not say anything about homosexuality and Jesus says He is Lord and he died for sin and that's one of the sins he died for and Such were some of you but you were washed you were cleansed you were justified.

Then the world is telling us stop following Jesus. That is what the world is doing. That's what Pete Buttigieg is doing. That's his message stop following Jesus we have a different Jesus you need to follow.

It's called the state. The state gets to tell you so today these questions cannot be dodged. They cannot be diminished. They cannot be swept under the under the rug. Anyone who is in position of Christian leadership today needs to declare your position take a stand.

So what were the questions number one? Do you believe homosexuality is inherently sinful now? Mrs. Moore wrote a book Praying God's Word. I think in 2003 so 16 years ago and there's another edition that came out in 2009 and The reason I'm talking about this today is editing has taken place in that book in regards to homosexuality therefore what's interesting is Mrs. Moore's position in 2003 Was plainly and clearly that homosexuality is inherently sinful.

I'll read you the section here in a moment. So the first question do you believe homosexuality is inherently sinful now? The type of response you get from people that are on the path to compromise as well.

What do you mean by homosexual? Do you mean just an orientation? Do you mean actually acting upon this etc, etc, etc. You know, you may want clarification okay, but is homosexuality as a whole as the idea of being attracted in a way that is described as a Dishonoring passion by the Apostle Paul.

Do you agree with Paul on that? You remember how Good old Barry When we debated 2001 Stood on his head to try to avoid what Romans 1 was actually saying. But do you believe homosexuality is inherently simple.

Number two. Do you believe that the practice of the homosexual lifestyle is compatible with Holy Christian living? Now remember none of this was even slightly controversial in the circles. That mrs. Moore was running in in 2003.

I mean realize Obergefell was 2015. This is a dozen years before gay marriage. Things have happened so fast. Yes, they were on the horizon. For those that could see them but Yeah. This wasn't overly controversial at this point in time.

Do you believe a person who dies as a practicing homosexual what professes to be a Christian will inherit eternal life now. That's that's somewhat of a complex question. Because part of that I mean you'd want to go well practicing homosexual as in unrepentant as in Repetitively or you're talking about someone who had a one-time failure.

I can understand how further Elucidation would want to be had in a situation like that, okay. But if we're talking just simply a person who practices homosexuality so these gay Christians Actively engaged in homosexual homosexual activity.

Do you accept their? claim of faith in Christ. For do you believe same-sex attraction is in and of itself an inherently sinful unnatural and disordered desire that must be mortified. Now this is where we already know at least 40

It seems could be other reasons but that 40 vote last week tells you something and Nobody was even thinking in these categories in our circles ten years ago I know that That that that bus has left the station we've got to catch up and there's been plenty of discussion about this now.

But a lot of people still feel outside the outside the circle so everything and Five why have you been so silent on this subject in light of your desire to teach the Word of God and I said You know the fifth question I'm not sure I would have asked that simply because it I can just see how someone could Use it to get around the other four basically, but I mean it's a valid question.

Nothing can happen in the race area in the ethnicity area without Beth Moore tweeting about it within two and a half seconds. But in this area Nashville statement anything like that crickets absolute crickets and So in light of some of the people that she does have association with who are plainly compromised open about their promotion of a Christian homosexual identity type thing.