- 00:00
- All right, so Yeah, this this question here. This is I think there's a few different questions at play and forgive me for attempting to Exhibit a little bit of nuance.
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- So what you said is how can I put this more plainly Lopez was likely fired for promoting reparative therapy?
- 00:19
- But if you'll condemns reparative therapy as heretical Lopez was likely fired because the RLC and Big Eva guys agree with Butterfield Can't agree with both choose
- 00:28
- Lopez or Butterfield. So you'd like my input here. Am I missing something? Well, I don't know if you're missing anything You know,
- 00:34
- I wouldn't I have I have no idea if the RLC and Big Eva Agree that that reparative therapy is is heretical
- 00:44
- So so there's a couple things going on so so Butterfield is a reformed Presbyterian I know a little bit about reformed
- 00:51
- Presbyterians because my brother Went to the very small very exclusive reformed
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- Presbyterian seminary and that's where he got his MDiv. So I happen to know that many reformed
- 01:02
- Presbyterians consider Psychotherapy highly suspect at any form not just reparative therapy any form of psychotherapy
- 01:10
- They a lot of them consider it pagan. A lot of them consider it, you know, essentially psychotherapists as almost like secular priests
- 01:20
- And so I I kind of agree with that I think in many in many instances psychotherapy is highly suspect so that that's one thing now is
- 01:30
- Butterfield saying that about this kind of psychotherapy. I don't know I I mean, I don't know if that's where she's drawing this opinion
- 01:37
- I it doesn't seem like it to me, but you've got to at least consider that As far as as far as it goes
- 01:45
- So does ERLC and Big Eva agree with Butterfield that psychotherapy is is heretical They might but they probably and they very well could do it for the very different reasons because I can't imagine that ERLC and Big Eva would take the position that psychotherapy in general is
- 02:00
- Is is pagan and should be avoided. So so there's that second thing is
- 02:07
- As far as as far as you know, it's psychotherapy itself without getting too far field.
- 02:12
- I agree with agent Who said something like well, you know, we got to decide what we're talking about here
- 02:18
- We're talking about shocking the brain so that you can stop being homosexual. Yeah, that's probably wrong Are we talking about counseling, you know biblical counseling putting to death the deeds of the flesh that kind of thing
- 02:27
- Well, then obviously that's not wrong And this is this is where I kind of come in and say well, we shouldn't ban reparative therapy
- 02:37
- Because I don't like the idea of Uncle Sam Defining what reparative therapy is
- 02:45
- Because you know obviously You know people that want to ban reparative therapy many of them just want to ban
- 02:51
- The belief that these these desires are unnatural You know what?
- 02:57
- I mean? They want to ban the idea that this is sin So, you know when it comes to the reparative therapy ban,
- 03:03
- I'm against it obviously But that doesn't mean I necessarily think that everything that's involved with modern reparative therapy is a good idea
- 03:12
- And I certainly don't so The idea this is and then there's a separate question here this idea that it's heretical, right?
- 03:20
- That that reparative therapy is prosperity gospel. That's what I think the quote is. I think that's stupid to say that I think it's very stupid to say that because that's what makes me believe that maybe
- 03:29
- She's not just just taking the typical RP view of of psychotherapy being you know, you know pagan
- 03:36
- So so because when she say it's a prosperity gospel and it's like, you know If you if you join Jesus, everything will be fine.
- 03:42
- And that's like a prospect. That's a form of the prosperity gospel I don't think it's form of the prosperity gospel. I think that's stupid to say that because It's completely fine to ask
- 03:53
- God and to expect God to to to to to to answer your prayer of hey
- 03:58
- I don't want to have these vile affections anymore please God help me and then talk to a biblical counselor about that and get tools to resist it and You what does it say in the
- 04:07
- Bible? It says resist the devil and he will flee from you I don't think that's that's a form of the prosperity gospel
- 04:13
- I mean the prosperity gospel will be at least as far as I'm concerned used to be you sow a seed into my ministry
- 04:19
- Give me ten bucks and then God's gonna send you a check for ten thousand bucks like something like that So I've been really ridiculous and conjuring and magical like that.
- 04:27
- That's what I thought we were talking about But you know, it's not it's not the prosperity gospel to say look
- 04:32
- I'm gonna obey Christ. I'm not gonna borrow money I'm not gonna I'm not gonna Buy more than I can afford
- 04:38
- I'm going to save money for my posterity and all the things and And eventually I'm gonna be more in a better financial position and then if I didn't obey
- 04:45
- God in those areas That's not prosperity gospel. That's just biblical reasoning Anyway, so yeah, there's a couple different questions here
- 04:52
- And you know, there's a couple different things going on here to say that repair therapy is prosperity gospel.
