Does Belief in the Trinity Necessitate Shirk?

Does Belief in the Trinity Necessitate Shirk?

Say, O Thou that keepest a word equal to a thing. Does belief in the Trinity necessitate shirk?

We have Adnan al-Rashid. I would like to welcome Musa, Adnan's son, to say a few words.

Peace be upon you, O Abdullahi wa-barakatuh. Alhamdulillah rabbil alameen Wasalatu wasalamu ala khatim al-anbiya wa sayyidil mursaleen wa ala alihi wa sahbihi ajma 'in amma ba 'a. My father's name is Adnan Rashid.

He is a Muslim preacher and he has debated many Christian clergy in the past on diverse topics. He is presently studying history at the University of London and he is presently serving as a khatim for the Haram Muslim Youth Association.

He is a player on a number of radio channels defending Islam including Premier Christian Radio and he is also an active member of an Islamic think-tank called Hilton Institute. I hope you will enjoy this debate and I hope it will benefit you.

Assalamu alaikum.

James White is director of Alpha and Omega Ministries and their website is www .aomi which is a Christian apologetics organisation based in Phoenix, Arizona in the US. He is author of more than 20 books, a professor and an elder of the Phoenix Reformed Baptist Church.

James has been married to Kelly for more than 25 years and has two children. He is an accomplished debater having engaged in more than 60 moderated public debates with the leading proponents of radical Catholicism, Islam, Jehovah's Witnesses and Mormonism.

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Adnan Rashid’s Opening Argument: The Qur’an Condemns Trinity as Shirk

So let's now move on to debate itself. Does belief in the Trinity necessitate shirk? And our first speaker will be Adnan Rashid.

Say, O Muhammad, that we worship you. Say, bear witness, literally, that we submit to you, to the will of God. As we shall show until it is clear. So God is not the author of confusion, ladies and gentlemen.

Professor James White, we have a debate with a scholar like Dr. James White. I definitely have respect for his credentials. He, in one of his previous debates, mentioned Lane's lexicon. It's a standard to check the definition of shirk.

The green spots you can see on these three pages are shirk, shirk, shirk. So literally, the word shirk linguistically means to share, to be a partner, to be a co-equal. So, Dr. White, trinity is shirk.

Because, in the earlier ministries, this one being of God is shared by three co-equals. Shared by three co-equals. Then, in the second page, infinite being of God, shared fully and completely by three persons.

Shared. So, adequate. Lane's lexicon states, shirk literally means to share. So, linguistically, Dr. James White, I've already proven that trinity definitely necessitates shirk. The linguistic meaning of shirk.

Our concern today is the technical meaning of shirk. What is shirk? Trinity, whether it is shirk or not, technically. So, we will go to Quran, first of all, because the term shirk or the concept of shirk Actually, originates within the Quran.

Explains shirk to be a concept in which, with God Almighty. Who is God? Who is the being and Christian in the Bible as God the Father. So, if you strive for the theism of God, number of God. Shirk, however, doesn't mean monotheism.

Shirk has a different meaning. You can be a monotheist and be a mushrik at the same time. Someone who commits shirk. For example, Quran gives in Surah Shura, verse number 21. Who constitute a religion for you.

So, you can be a believer in one God. You concoct a legislation on top of his legislation. Then you become a mushrik. Even though you believe in one God. So, you can be a monotheist and be a mushrik at the same time.

So, shirk is a striving part to God Almighty. In his attributes, shirk means. Who is, again, God the Father. And I will prove that to you tonight. That God the Father is the only true God. In chapter 17, verse 23.

To your parents. Worship none other but God Almighty. Number 36. Worship Allah. In chapter 4, verse 48. Verily, Allah forgives not what He has set up within. But He forgives except that anything else to whom He pleases.

So, Allah will not forgive shirk. Shirk is a crime which will not be forgiven. Until you repent. Until you repent before you die. So, if you die in the state of shirk You are going straight to hell. According to the Islamic understanding of Quran Whoever testifies that there is except God.

This is Prophet Muhammad. In one of the hadith In the prophetic tradition Where Prophet Muhammad Sent certain statements about Islam. And in his hadith Which is what explains the Quran to us. We have almost 60 ,000 authentic hadiths From Prophet Muhammad.

And in one of the hadiths Which is narrated by Bukhari, a Muslim He stated. Whosoever testifies that there is none No one worthy of worship. And Muhammad is a slave and messenger. And Jesus is the slave of God And his messenger And his word which he bestowed upon Mary And he is a spirit from him.

And paradise is truth And hell is truth. Such a person can enter paradise No matter what his actions are like Bukhari, a Muslim. Now, the definition of trinity. We have to see whether Trinity actually constitutes shirk.

Does belief in trinity Lead you to shirk? That is the question. First definition of trinity Which is a very interesting definition By Thomas Jefferson. I'm sure that James White is aware of Who Thomas Jefferson is.

He is the writer of Declaration of Independence. He stated about trinity. Platonic mysticism That three are one And one is three. And yet, one is not three And three are not one. I never had sense enough To comprehend the trinity.

And it appeared to me That comprehension must proceed Must proceed ascent Thomas Jefferson. Now we go to James White's Dr. James White's Definition of trinity. Dr. James White States in his article. The doctrine of the trinity Is simply that there is One eternal being of God Indivisible Infinite.

This one being of God Is shared by three co-equals Shared by three co-equals Co-eternal person The Father The Son And the Holy Spirit. So let's go to the Quran. I've already explained to you That Quran is the first book To use the word shirk In the way it is used.

The concept of shirk Originates from the Quran. So Quran is the first authority We refer to In order to understand Whether trinity is shirk or not. What does Quran say? First of all The formula. Chapter 4.

O people of the scripture Do not exceed the limits In your religion. O people of the scripture Do not exceed the limits. Nor say of God But the truth Except the truth The Messiah And his word Which he bestowed On Mary And her spirit Created by him.

So believe in one God And his messenger. Believe in God And his messengers. Say not three. Say not three. Seize it Desist. It will be better for you. Say not three. Christians say three. I will come to address that issue In a minute.

Verse number 72 To 4. Surely They have disbelieved. Who say They have disbelieved. Who say Allah is the Messiah. God is the Messiah Son of Mary. James White In his paper On Trinity On his website He has stated That Yahweh Is Jesus.

Or Jesus Identifies himself As Yahweh. When he says I am Before Abraham was I am. And that is the term That is the expression Which Yahweh Used for himself. So if Yahweh Who we See as God the Father In the Old Testament If he's saying That he is Jesus Or Jesus is saying He's Yahweh.

This is exactly what he's saying. And that's what Quran is talking about That Allah is the Messiah Son of Mary. But the Messiah said Ya Bani Israel Ya Bani Israel. So believe in God Necessity is shit In the Quran.

If Dr. James White Studied the Quran carefully He would have never chosen this topic For a debate today. Never would he have chosen this topic. If you studied the Quran Carefully Dr. White You would not choose this topic.

I say it again Because There is a clear Explicit verse in the Quran Which is saying That Trinity is shit. Because Jesus Look what Jesus is saying In the Quran. Surely they have disbelieved To say Laqad kafara lazeena qalu Inna Allaha Who was Masihuk The Maryam Wa qawla Masihuk.

God Almighty is telling us. And Jesus The Son of Mary The Messiah said Ya Bani Israel. O Children of Israel The Jews U 'budu Allaha Innahuma yushrika Innahuma yushrika. Whoever has Christ Pardon me That Jesus is Yahweh.

This is very clear. Ladies and gentlemen Congratulations Dr. James White. The Trinity Definitely necessitates Shit. So There are other passages In the Quran. But I will leave them aside For rebuttals Or For Dr. James White To respond Or comment on them.

Then Who is God Almighty. In the previous debates With Jalal Abu Ruh He stated That Quran never Gave us great knowledge Of the doctrine of Trinity. And then again He stated. And this he stated In the ninth Minute Of that debate You can go and check it.

This is what Dr. White said. I Will Request from Dr. White Not to make Generalizations Violent generalizations Like that. Because a scholar Doesn't do that. And you're a scholar. Dr. James White Quran Does not even give a Semi-accurate definition Of Trinity.

This is an absurdity. Ladies and gentlemen Read the verses Of Quran Carefully. Chapter 4 Verse 171. Do not say three. Three what? Do the Christians Say three? The question is Do the Christians Say three?

Yes they say three. How do they say three? They say three Persons In one Trinity. Khan is making A general statement Which is applicable To all the Christians. Why not Say three? Desist. It would be better If the Christians Say three.

Don't say three. Whether you say Three persons Three gods Three deities Three beings Or three persons Within one Trinity. Quran is saying Don't say it Because it's sharing It's quality With anyone. So that is the definition Of Trinity Within the Quran Which is accurate.

You cannot say That it is inaccurate. Dr. James White. If you studied the Quran Carefully You would never Make such a claim. Allah The Messiah Is God. Do you say that? Yes you say that. You say Yahweh Is Jesus.

And Jesus is Yahweh. Jesus is identifying Himself as Yahweh. When he says Before Abraham Was I am. You stated that Clearly In your article. Dr. James White. So why do you say That Quran doesn't Give us an accurate Definition of Trinity.

This is very accurate. This is what You claim for Jesus That he is God. So So much With The Quranic knowledge Of Dr. James White. Trinity is According to Old Testament States That Trinity Is definitely Shirk.

There are no Questions about this. This simply Doesn't Respond On this. Now Some Christians May object They say Okay That's Quran. We don't believe in Quran. We believe in the Old Testament And the New Testament.

So prove to us That Trinity Is actually Shirk From the Old Testament Or the New Testament From the Bible. Quran Definitely states That Trinity Is Shirk. And Shirk Is one of the worst Crimes you can commit.

Now Old Testament Chapter 8 Verse 10 There is none Like unto us Beside him This day And consider it As thine And upon the earth Beneath There is none Else. Deuteronomy 6 .4 -5 Here on Israel The Shema Famous Shema To Samuel 7 .22 Wherefore thou art.

For there is none Like unto thee. The question is Who is this thee. The Israelite Potter In heaven above Among the gods There is none Like unto thee O Lord. Neither are they Any words like unto Your words.

Again Psalms 89 .6 For who is in the heaven Can be compared Unto the Lord Unto the Lord. The Christians Identify this God Consisting of Three persons In the spirit. Now Yes Yes O it is God. It is said Blessed be thou O Lord.

So David There is none Like unto the Lord. There is none. So if you imagine In the Old Testament And there is none Like unto you Is the God. This is one of the Jewish. Chapter 12 Verse 29 -30. Famous Shema.

He asked Master What is the first commandment. I have to do the rest Of my 15 minutes. So in Shema Mark 12 Verse 29 Jesus is saying He is answering The scribe. The Christian scribe Hear O Israel The Lord.

And this is the law That you choose. Ladies and gentlemen. And then he is saying And thou shalt love The Lord thy God With all thy heart And with all thy soul And with all thy mind And with all thy strength.

And the scribe Said unto him Well Master Thou hast said The truth. For there is one God And there is none Like unto the Lord. Ladies and gentlemen Pay attention To these words. The scribe Replied To Jesus.

He said to him There is One God And there is no other. But Jesus Saying that's the Father. In book of John Chapter 8 Verse 54 When Jesus said to the Jews That Father is your God. About whom You say that He is your God Father.

So this Jewish scribe Said That is Father. And then Jesus Said to him Thou art not. You are not far. If he was Divine If he Wanted to teach This person That I am the God. This was the first time. This was the best time He could have said it.

Jesus had other things To say. Book of Matthew Chapter 5 Verse 30. He told them about divorce. It was said to you That when you divorce A certificate Will be given to you. But I say to you That divorce Cannot be done Except For the immoral Reasons.

And anyone Who is divorced Cannot be denied. Anyone who marries A divorced Woman Will be causing her To commit adultery. Jesus had time To tell you that. But he didn't have time To tell you To worship him as well.

But he is saying There is only one Which is the Father Whom Jesus has promised. And then Jesus Said You are very close. Then again Jesus said Unto the woman. The woman came to Jesus And she spoke to him.

And Jesus said to her We know that we worship But We know We worship. But.

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James White’s Opening Response: Defining the Trinity and Defining Shirk

It is indeed an honor to be with you this evening here in London. We've had a fine crowd come out, and it is a vitally important subject that we are addressing. I think it is a good thing that we as Christians and Muslims can get together and have these kinds of dialogues that demonstrate that both of us believe in the truth, we want to proclaim the truth, and I believe that as long as people are allowed to freely give vent to their beliefs, then we will be able to have these opportunities to continue speaking to one another.

It's when we stop that freedom that people begin to fight, and I've just been told to stop. Do you disagree, brother? Is that the problem? Please, we'll start again. Start again? OK. It is indeed an honor to be with you here and have this dialogue together about what we believe.

We believe that God has spoken. It is important that we have the freedom to speak with one another about the very heart and soul of our faith. The discussion this evening does belief in the Trinity necessitate shirk, and you're going to see a number of the very same texts that were just discussed, presented by myself, because it is an important subject to what we have to do is define definitions.

We have to come up with definitions. We need to understand exactly what is going on as we discuss the Trinity and shirk. The only meaningful way of addressing this question is by accurately defining the terms that are being used in our discussion.

Now, I did find it somewhat interesting. I'm not sure that this may be the first debate of them, eight debates where my opponent declared himself the victor before I had a chance to speak. That is an interesting way of approaching it.

I leave that up to you as to who defines the terms and who deals with the text in the best way. So we do need, obviously, to look at what is the doctrine of the Trinity. Secondly, we do need to define very clearly what is the concept of shirk, what it means.

And third, and of course most importantly, does the Quran accurately and correctly identify the Trinity when it condemns excess in religion? I was just told that I was very wrong in my understanding. Well, let's find out.

Let's find out as we look at these things. Let's begin first and foremost with the doctrine of the Trinity itself. I'd like to offer you a basic definition. Within the one being that is God, there exists eternally three co-equal and co-eternal persons namely the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.

Now, if you are color challenged, you can't see the projector, and sometimes guys can't see red. There are two words there that I have emphasized so that you can see them. They are the words being and person.

These are not synonymous words. Every day we use these words in different ways. We recognize that a rock has being, but it does not have person. If you can insult a rock all you want, it's never going to take offense.

Try it. A lot of them do it in public. But being and person are two different things. This is a distinction that must be understood. Being is what makes something what it is. Person is what makes someone who they are.

We are all human beings, but we are differentiated on the level of personhood. While we may share a common existence as human beings, we are differentiated from one another on the level of personhood.

We make that kind of distinction. The Bible makes that kind of distinction in describing the one being of God, and then describing three persons as having divine attributes, a divine name. The name Gathway, for example, is used of Father, Son, and Holy Spirit in the scriptures, and that is where the doctrine of the Trinity comes from.

Now, please understand, the Trinity is not saying that there are three beings who are one being. Thomas Jefferson, of course, an unbeliever who cut the Bible up, didn't bother to actually find out what the doctrine was that he was mocking.

We are not saying that there are three beings that are one being, as he might have thought. We are not saying there are three persons who are one person. We're not saying one plus one plus one equals three.

One being, eternal and unlimited, shared eternally by three divine persons, Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. You may not believe this, but obviously if you're going to be a person of truth, then you need to accurately define it, as it is understood historically by the Christian faith.

Now, why do we believe this? Some people will say, well, it's because the church told us. Or some people will say, it's because the council said so. I am a biblical Trinitarian. I believe all of scripture.

I believe only scripture. And why I believe all of scripture and only scripture, what I come to understand is the doctrine of the Trinity. There are three biblical foundations of the doctrine of the Trinity.

Foundation one is absolute monotheism. I appreciated much of what Adnan said when we started quoting from the Old Testament. He misidentifies the term Father in the Old Testament as if the Old Testament distinguishes between Father, Son, and Spirit.

It does not. But he quoted the very same text, Deuteronomy 4 .35, that I use in debating Mormons all the time. Mormons are polytheists. They believe that there are many gods. There's really an unlimited number of gods.

And so I've gone to Salt Lake City. I've gone to Utah and defended biblical Christianity against Mormonism because Mormonism is a polytheistic religion. We are monotheists. We believe there is only one true God creator of heaven and earth.

That is the foundation of the doctrine of the Trinity. The second foundation revealed to us in all of Scripture is the existence of three divine persons. That is, the Father is not confused with the Son.

The Son is not confused with the Spirit. The Spirit is not confused with the Father. There are people who call themselves Christians who believe that. You may have run into Jesus-only Pentecostals, the oneness Pentecostal movement that denies the doctrine of the Trinity and actually says that in essence Jesus was praying to himself in the Garden of Gethsemane.

That has been rejected by the Christian church down through the centuries and it certainly cannot be substantiated on the basis of the Bible. I've debated their representatives as well. The third foundation then is the co-equality and co-eternality of those persons.

That is, the evidence that demonstrates that the Father is truly God, the evidence that demonstrates that the Son, while distinguished from the Father, is described as the creator of all things, is described as Gathway, Old Testament pastors about Gathway are applied to Jesus in the New Testament, Hebrews chapter 1, John chapter 12, etc. and that the spirit of Gathway, the spirit of God, is distinguished from the Father and the Son and yet is described as God as well.

This is all revelation that takes place in the New Testament specifically. The doctrine of the Trinity is revealed in the incarnation of Jesus Christ and the outpouring of the Holy Spirit in the early church and the New Testament then becomes the record of that revelation.

We need to understand because there is confusion. The terms Father and Son are not physical terms when we use these terms of God. The Father is not married to anyone. The Son is not the result of a marriage.

He is not an offspring or anything along those lines. I have met many Muslims who thought that's exactly what it was that Christians believed. The relationship of the Father and the Son is timeless. This is very important.

Please hear me. When we speak of Father and Son as creatures, a Father always precedes the Son in existence. We are talking about an eternal relationship. There is not a time when the Son did not exist.

The Bible describes Him as having eternally existed. He is the creator of all things. The relationship of Father and Son is eternal. It does not come into existence at a point in time. For example, since we're in London, I thought it would be good to make reference to C .S. Lewis who used an analogy to describe this of two books.

It just so happens I have some books sitting here. If you have one book sitting on top of another book, you can say that the book on top owes its position to the book on the bottom. But if you take out the element of time, no longer can you say well obviously the bottom book was put there first.

Don't you take the element of time out? And time is a function of creation. And God existed before there was anything else in His solitary glory. Still, before time itself existed, the Father and the Son existed as Father and Son.

It's a description of a relationship, not an origination. So the relationship of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit is an eternal relationship. It is timeless. The Son did not become the Son at a particular point in time in the past.

Now it needs to be reemphasized once again. The bedrock of monotheism defines the Trinity. It is the very foundation of our faith. But this must be understood as well. Monotheism and Unitarianism are not the same things.

And throughout Agahn's presentation they were assumed to be the same things. I am a Trinitarian monotheist. A Unitarian is a person who insists that the being of God can only be shared by one person. That's a Unitarian.

You can assert it all you want, that's not the same thing as proving it. I am a monotheist who is a Trinitarian. The being of God is unlimited. And why, therefore, can it not be shared by three divine persons?

That becomes the question. If God's revelation is such that that is what the revelation teaches us, then that is what we should believe. I am a Trinitarian monotheist. I am not a Unitarian. You cannot just simply assume, well, Yahweh is Unitarian.

Why? The New Testament writers didn't think so. They described, they used verses of the Father that identified Him as Yahweh. They used verses of the Son that identified Him as Yahweh. Were they just confused?

You might say they were, but that's what the Christian beliefs is what they reveal. You need to understand that if we're going to have a dialogue that is well-worded. The Trinity, of course, is well-known by AD 600.

The Councils of Nicaea, Constantinople, Chalcedon had clearly proclaimed the belief. The Athanasian Creed was well-known. Augustine had written entire volumes on the subject of the Trinity long before Muhammad.

And so there's no question that at the time of the Prophethood of Muhammad, you have a clear understanding of what the doctrine of the Trinity is. That's important because some people feel that maybe that just wasn't something that was understood.

Shirk in the Qur’an: Partners, Excess, and Idolatry

Now, what about the Quran on the subject of Shirk? As was mentioned, the Ruda term simply means to share or association. It continues to be used today to speak of business associations, corporations, etc. in the Arabic language and in secular usage in the Arabic language.

The Ruda is used 168 times in the Quran, not always about the subject of idolatry or anything like that. Let's look at some of the texts that were quoted to you before and now you get to see them on the screen.

And for those who are not Muslims, that might be helpful to you to know what the Quran is saying. Surah 31, 13, Oh my dear son, ascribe, though partners, unto Allah, lo, to ascribe partners unto him is a tremendous wrong.

This is the concept of ascribing partners with Allah. The question we will have to ask tonight is does the Quran tell us what kind of ascription of partnership this is? I think it very clearly does, as we will see.

Let's look at Surah 22, 31. Being true in faith to Allah and never assigning partners to him, if anyone assigns partners to Allah, it is as if he had fallen from heaven and been snatched up by birds, or the wind had swooped like a bird of its prey and thrown him into a far place.

This is what happens to the person who commits shirk. This is the sin of idolatry. We also see this in Surah 6, 1. Prayers be to Allah, who created the heavens and the earth and made the darkness and the light, yet those who reject faith hold others as equal with their guardian Lord.

Hold others as equal with their guardian Lord. Please note the language that is used. Then notice this. I believe this text was also utilized, Surah 364. Say, O people of the Book, come to common terms as between us and you, that we worship none but Allah and we associate no partners with him, that we erect not from among ourselves lords and patrons other than Allah.

Now what kind of association is this? Have we seen anything so far where the Qur 'an defines for us the doctrine of the Trinity as being one being of God shared by three persons. Is that anywhere in the Qur 'an?

This is what I want to ask. It says three. Three what? Here, the association is from among ourselves lords and patrons other than Allah. It has nothing to do with persons. It has nothing to do with Christians' belief and was well known at this point in history, the doctrine of the Trinity is.

If they then turn back, say, bear witness that we at least are Muslims vowing to Allah's will. Or we also saw Surah 4 quoted. O you people of the Book, believe in what we have now revealed, confirming what was already with you before we change the face and face of some of you, beyond all recognition, and turn them hindwards or curse them as we curse the Sabbath breakers.

For the decision of Allah must be carried out. Now notice what it said here. Allah forgiveth not that partners should be set up with him, but he forgiveth anything else to whom he pleaseth. To set up partners with Allah is to revise the sin most heinous indeed.

This is why Allah had to try to make the assertion. Oh, Allah is God the Father. Where does the Qur 'an say this? Where does the Qur 'an say this? Where does the Old Testament? The Old Testament does use the term father of God as the creator.

It also uses it of Jesus prophetically in Isaiah chapter 9 when it says he's the father of time, the eternal father. The terms father, son, and spirit are New Testament revelations. They're not Old Testament revelations.

So what is this description? It sounds to me like what the Qur 'an is saying is saying you are not to ascribe gods with Allah. Where's persons? Where is the recognition that we believe there is only one true eternal being of God?

I'm sure that since Anab says that the Qur 'an correctly and knowledgably defines the Trinity and says this with Balaam at that time, that he will show us exactly where this three doesn't cut it. That could be three gods as we're going to see that's exactly what it is.

Notice, for example, Surah 16, verse 41. Or have they some partners in Allah that let them produce their partners if they are truthful? Produce them? You mean like the pagan deities, the idols that the people in Mecca were worshipping?

Things like that? Maybe that's exactly what it's talking about. Surah chapter 4, verses 171, 172. Well, people, the book commit no excesses in your religion, nor say of Allah a truth. Christ Jesus, the son of Mary, was no more than an apostle of Allah and his word which he bestowed on Mary and a spirit proceeding from him.

So believe in Allah and his apostles. Then it says, say not Trinity. And as Adam was correct in pointing out, it's literally the word three, it's not the word Trinity specifically. Desist, it would be better for you, for Allah is one Allah.

One person? Unitarian? What? One Allah, glory be to him, for exalted is he above having a son. Having a son? That sounds like the writer of these words thinks that Christians believe that God got married and had a child.

Well, certainly that's not what Christians believe. And yet that seemingly is what's being said. To him belong all things in heaven and on earth. And of his Allah is a disclosure of affairs. Christ is not to certain worship Allah, nor to the angels those heirs to Allah.

Those who disdain his worship and are arrogant, he will gather them all together unto himself. To answer, how about surah 5, 7, 2 -78? They do blaspheme, who say, Allah is Christ, the son of Mary. But said Christ, of children of Israel, worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord.

I mentioned in passing. Many times I heard Muslims say, we can't trust what the Gospels say about Jesus, because they weren't written by eyewitnesses. How do they know that is another issue? And yet here we have words removed by 600 years, without any intervening historical foundation, and yet the same people will accept them as being absolutely accurate.

We need to have one standard for these things. Not one standard for the Muslim, but one standard for the Christian. We need to apply the same standard all the way across. Whoever joins, please note this, other gods with Allah.

This is in the context of Jesus. This is in the context of the three. Whoever joins other gods with Allah, Allah will forbid him to guard the fire that he is above. Thus the doctrine of the Trinity, the association of the gods with Allah.

No. It says Allah is the only true God, and that God exists eternally, as Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. The wrongdoers need no one to help. They do blaspheme, who say, Allah is one of three in the Trinity.

Who says that? Christians never said that. Christians never made the identification that Adnan has made, that Allah has to be God the Father. Where does the Quran say that? Where does the Bible say that?

It doesn't. And so, where have Christians ever said Allah is one of three in the Trinity? Could it be that the Quran is actually saying that the Trinity is Allah, Jesus, and Mary? We'll find out. Allah is one of three in the Trinity, for there is no God except one, Allah.

Is this not what Shirk is? These texts were quoted before as defining what Shirk is. Shirk is the association of multiple gods with Allah, something else with Allah. That has nothing to do with what the Christian doctrine of Shirk is.

It continues on. If they desist not from their word of blasphemy, please notice the description of blasphemy. Verily a grievous penalty will befall the blasphemers among them. Why turn they not to Allah, and seek His forgiveness?

For Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful. Christ, the Son of Mary, was no more than an apostle. Many were the apostles who passed away before Him. His mother was a woman of truth. Why mention that? Why mention that His mother was a woman of truth unless the author actually has the idea that somehow she is being elevated to the status of a god?