"Women Can Do What they Want With Their Body!"
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"Women can do what they want with their body"! It's a common and widely used argument for the Pro-choice position. While Pastor Jeff was out at Planned Parenthood with other members of Apologia Church a man walked by and challenged Jeff. Apologia Church has witnessed God save over 70 babies at local clinics and over 130 churches join the mission across the country.
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- What's that being able to choose who being able to choose whoever man people should be able to do what they want their bodies
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- So can I rape a woman? No, you shouldn't do that. So I can't do it I saw I can't I can't do it.
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- I want my own body. Can I you knew what you want with your body? You just can't do anything with anybody else's. So let me try this
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- The person should be able to do what they want with their own body Yeah, we shouldn't be able to we shouldn't be allowed to just abuse other people's bodies.
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- Absolutely Okay, so in the case of what's happening inside there right now the woman's body is not dying
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- It's another body biologically distinct inside of her that is being killed. I'm all for women doing what they want with their bodies
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- I'm an agreement with you actually fundamentally that we shouldn't be able to harm other people's bodies, which is precisely what's happening in there
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- I'm glad you joined us But I still just think it should be up to them you shouldn't really
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- So all moral decisions should just be up to anybody yeah, it's so we should be able to molest children free will
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- We should be able to molest children. We should be able to molest children rape women. No, no, that's what you said You still have to have morals morals aren't where's this come from?
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- It's just life bro, it's like it's just life bro. Yeah, just morals are just life, bro
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- Yeah, okay So the child molester in the in the cage right now that we've caged up Yeah, who kidnapped and dismembered a small little girl after raping her um
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- We put him in jail. Do you think you should be there? Oh, absolutely, but he lives by a different moral code than you, right? He believes that what he did is a good moral happy thing not necessary got pleasure from it
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- Well, there's lots of people today that are pedophiles that enjoy it Why why don't you let them have their way free will bro a lot of the times?
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- That's usually a psychological issue who says it's a psychological issue Scientists you talk it. No you're talking about brain gas
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- Biochemical responses happening in the brain neurons and neurons are firing Yeah, so so you're talking about a condition that's happening in the brain of evolved protoplasm
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- And the decision led to certain activities and you're condemning the activity that came from the brain gas.
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- No, I'm saying that That right there can sometimes be affected like a disease and sometimes it's brain gas
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- But it led to an activity you're saying the activity is wrong Absolutely, what basis is the activity wrong?
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- You shouldn't do anything. Are you an atheist else? I? Gnostic you're an agnostic. Okay, so coming from an agnostic worldview
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- On what basis do you call anything wrong? anything wrong What do you mean by that?
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- Yeah, you're an agnostic right so you don't know true, right? Yeah, okay, so someone who doesn't know is making all kinds of knowledge claims
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- Yeah, but I still Believe it morally just deep down the humankind.
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- It's the right thing to do. Okay, do you believe that we have all to get here? Oh, absolutely. You believe that our ancestors are there were African apes.
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- No, our ancestors were fish Uh -huh. So we're we're evolved fish, right? Right, and you're condemning certain human behaviors and activities in a universe that doesn't care about us when our ancestors were fish
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- You're calling one you're calling one value that's risen up over evolutionary time wrong and one, right?
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- Those are arbitrary. Yeah, but see sometimes just people don't have Thank you, science is a methodology
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- Science is a methodology How can you can you prove that? It's not so are you saying that science give you gives you morals?
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- No, thank you That's what we were talking about. You're late catching up. Okay back to what we were talking about science is a method
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- Science is a methodology it requires induction science is a methodology requires induction.
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- We were talking about morality So you're in a different conversation like you're kind of trying to change the subject No, we were if you want to talk about science
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- I'll ask you how you can account for induction which is at the very bottom of science You have to have uniformity in nature and induction the principle of induction in order to actually do the scientific method
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- Oh, that's right. So let me ask you Let me ask you as a let me ask you as an agnostic Yeah, how do you justify and appeal to uniformity in the principle of induction given that you are an agnostic?
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- You don't know that the Fed next five seconds will be like the past Yeah, so we need to know that for science to work not necessarily.
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- You just kind of have to live man That's what I was saying earlier Yeah I would encourage you to really really examine that because if you really hold to the scientific method you need induction and uniformity in nature
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- Uniformity in nature what you don't see in a science textbook is we need science, bro just cuz
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- You don't see it in a science textbook. That's true. But when you're trying to come at me after you're yelling at them No, I'm not coming at you.
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- I can't I can't bring science as the first thing to Agnostic to justify it
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- Justifying appeal to induction. We need the future to be like the past. We need the universe to be uniform How would how would humankind progress?
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- How would you get? I don't think I don't think I would you get from the fish to the human Now and from what we're gonna I mean,
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- I mean this was actually I don't think you understand what I'm saying to you. So science Depends upon the uniformity in nature.
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- We have to do things based upon observation, right? So we examine a cell we examine we examine
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- DNA biology We examine something and we recognize that there are repeated patterns that the future will be like the past past Experiences showed us one thing through observation
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- Therefore we now move from those past experiences to project into the future. What will be in the future?
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- That's the basis of science So I'm asking you as an agnostic who believes that your ancestors were fish in a purposeless unguided universe.
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- How do you justify and satisfy the Preconditions necessary for science and the uniformity in nature when you believe that we live in a godless universe
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- I That's not govern. I didn't say that godless is atheist agnostic. It means that I just don't believe
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- I don't know So you live by faith, right? Yeah, I just kind of go with the flow you look you look by blind faith.
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- Yeah. Yeah Right, that's not the Christian position. We wouldn't want to live like that blind faith not
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- Christians Why I'm saying I'm saying you have a world view. I have a world view You're entitled.
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- Yeah, you live by blind faith So therefore you really have no argument with say back to the moral position
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- You really have no position to argue with say the rapist the kidnapper the enslaver
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- Position though. I'm entitled to my no you I I'm listen you can believe of course what you want But what
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- I'm saying is that I'm talking to you as a Christian with with love saying That with your position of blind faith that you've granted right with no basis for science or morality
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- You can't really make an appeal to morality at all because you live by faith You don't know you're an agnostic.
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- You don't know. Mm -hmm, right? So when you walk past here though, you didn't act like you didn't know when you walk past here when you walk past here
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- You didn't act like you didn't know you actually said they should be able to do what they want with their bodies So, how do you make sense of that when you said that you don't have any way to justify morality or science?
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- You don't know you live by faith Do you see no I see it I feel like this conversation is kind of going in circles.
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- I understand what you're saying, and I respect it Yeah, but I think we're just gonna keep going. Well, I want you to know just with my name is
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- Jeff Jonathan Nice to meet you. I just want you to know why we're here just so you don't you know Well, we're not knowing we love you.
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- We care for these women. We over 70 babies have been saved through this work. That's awesome Carmelo Olivia Grace Cara like I can show you pictures
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- That's why we're here because we care we love these people We want you to know something just last thing I'll say to you and I really appreciate you stopping.
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- Okay We're here because we're forgiven because we're saved God loves us
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- He died for our sins and rose from the dead and the message is that all who turn from this end to come to him Will be forgiven and that's what we want for you.
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- That's that's the message. I appreciate I appreciate you James. God bless you, man You too. Thank you
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