Cd Gv267 How Ro Grow in Godly Character — George Verwer

The Sermon on the Mount and Reconciliation

Turn with me now to the Sermon on the Mount. I might just say that people say, just one other thing, people say that Operation World doesn't sell well anymore. A lot of people don't sell any copies in their meetings.

Anybody that says that does not know how to sell. Sometimes with Operation World you need to add a premium, you need to add an extra book. In most countries you can do that. It is an expensive book. Ralph Winter has been selling it for a dollar or two.

Much cheaper than we can get it through the OM system. So we need to learn. We learn from others. I tell you, I can learn a lot from Ralph Winter. It's so much about Ralph that I love. There are things I don't understand.

But that was, we didn't have a lot of time for book pushes at Love Europe. We had enough. It was an ongoing struggle, Peter and I, but we, you know, we, you know, compared to other places it was, it was fantastic.

But one of the books that we really emphasized was Operation World. I tell you, if you weren't into Operation World, after going to Love Europe, you could actually feel guilty. Nobody will die of that.

And that was the number one book they sold. Three to four hundred copies. And that's in a movement where a lot of people already had them. And I hope that you are still reading and using Operation World.

We think we have distributed so many copies. 98 of all the Christians have never had Operation World. Maybe 97, maybe 95. We live in a remnant. We live in a remnant ghetto at times. Even the people we associate with.

And I would pray that we could somehow expand out. Let's read from the Word of God these great thoughts from the Sermon on the Mount. I want to start in chapter 5, verse 21. I want to just read the scripture.

I cannot expound this whole passage. But I want to read it. I want us to get something from the reading. I am reading the old authorized version. But it's... I'm sure you can receive it and follow in whatever modern translation you have.

The authority of God's Word. Let's allow that to sink into our hearts. You have heard that it was said by them of old, thou shalt not kill and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of judgment. But I say unto you, whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of judgment.

Whosoever shall say to his brother, Raka, shall be in danger of the council. Whosoever shall say, thou fool, shall be in the danger of hellfire. That is strong, strong. Therefore if thou bring thy gift to the altar, and there rememberest thy brother has anything against thee, leave there thy gift before the altar and go thy way.

First be reconciled to thy brother and then come and offer the gift. And maybe some of you are thinking, oh, this is where he's gonna hit us. Gonna try to get us to repent. And go to brothers that have sinned against us.

We have sinned against them and try to get us all repenting and apologizing. It wasn't even on my mind till I read those verses, and I'm not going to speak on it. But it may be that that's one of the things that needs to take place here.

Unity, Relationships, and the Life of the Movement

I can't overemphasize the importance of these conferences in OM's thrust. OM is still a movement. It's still a movement. The longer we can stay a movement, if you know the definitions, the better. And as a movement, we need time together.

We need commitment to each other. We need to be broken together. We need to pray together, to weep together. We need to get sorted out. And in these conferences historically, often more has happened behind the scenes and sorting out relationships, encouraging people, rebuilding broken lives, rebuilding loyalty, than we can ever measure.

And how we need that. Let's read on. Agree with thine adversary quickly while thou art in the way with him, lest at any time the adversary deliver thee to the judge, and the judge deliver thee to the officer, and thou be cast into prison.

Try, by the way, Dr. Martin Lloyd-Jones' two volumes on the Sermon on the Mount, if you want to get the impact of some of this. Verily I say unto thee, thou shalt by no means come out from there till thou hast paid the uttermost farthing.

Ye have heard that it was said by them of old, thou shalt not commit adultery. But I say unto you, that whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.

And if thou write I offend thee, pluck it out and cast it from thee. For it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell. If thy right hand offend thee, cut it off and cast it from thee.

For it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, not the whole body should be cast into hell. It hath been said, whosoever shall put away his wife, let him give her a writing of divorcement.

But I say unto you, whosoever shall put away his wife, except for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery. Whosoever shall marry her that is divorced, committeth adultery. Again, ye have heard that it hath been said by them of old, thou shalt not perjure thyself.

Thou shalt perform unto the Lord thine oaths. But I say unto you, the authoritative word of Christ, swear not at all, neither by heaven, for it is God's throne, nor by the earth, for it is his footstool, neither by Jerusalem, for it is the city of the great king.

Neither shalt thou swear by thy head, because thou canst not make one hair white or black. But let your communication be yea, yea, nay, nay, for whatever is more than these cometh of evil. Ye have heard that it was said, an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth.

But I say unto you, that ye resist not evil. But whosoever shall smite thee on the right cheek, turn to him the other also. And if any man sue thee at the law, and take away thy coat, let him have thy cloak also.

And whosoever shall compel thee to go a mile, go with him too. Give to him that asketh thee, and from him that would borrow of thee, turn not thou away. Ye have heard that it hath been said, thou shalt love thy neighbor, and hate thine enemy.

But I say unto you, love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them, who despitefully use you, and persecute you. That ye may be the sons of your Father, who is in heaven, for he maketh his Son to rise on the evil, and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just, and on the unjust.

For if ye love them who love you, what reward of you? Do not even the tax collectors the same? And if ye greet the brethren only, what do ye more than others? Do not even the heathen so? Be ye therefore perfect or mature, even as your Father who is in heaven is perfect.".

Wow, that's heavy stuff. I feel so unworthy, so inadequate to continue even in part of the leadership of this movement, and I don't say that lightly. It would be very easy, I can assure you, to get my resignation, very easy.

And as I think of the direction we're going in, as I think of all that we're attempting, the Muslim world, and the communist world, and Europe, and Latin America, and Africa, it's just easier now to keep track of the few places we're not involved in.

And lo and behold, I have to end up fellowshipping this week before coming here with Rick Hibner. I'm already almost depressed to my toenails thinking about the Muslim challenge, though I battle back every day.

Don't go to bed with this depression. And I have to have fellowship with Rick Hibner. Now some of you don't know Rick. You don't know his vision for the Hindu world, and his statistics. I will tell you if he had shared those statistics at Lausanne 2, people would have screamed out and crawled under the tables and torn up some of their documents about all that we're going to do by the year 2000.

Praise God for Patrick Johnson's brilliant article in the Lausanne magazine, which I subscribe to. And I'm sure this was brought out at Lausanne 2, the enormous price that's going to have to be paid if we're going to fulfill these goals by the year 2000.

And if this is just a lot of rhetoric, I can tell you it depresses people out on the field. It depresses the people who actually know what some of this is about, who have lost loved ones in the Muslim world, who have been out there 15, 20, 30 years.

I remember an American studying at Oxford challenging, I think it was last year, someone who was working with me and coming up with some little, two little reasons why souls aren't coming to Christ in the Muslim world by the hundreds of thousands.

And my friend who was working with me, who knew just a little bit more, challenged him back. Have you read this? Have you read that? Have you heard of Zwemer? Have you heard of Bourdon et Vieille? Have you heard of this mission?

He didn't know anything. All he knew was a little bit of theory that he picked up from a couple of books. And he thought if we just put this into practice, surely the Muslim world will collapse. Now don't be over judgmental when you meet such people.

That's also a mistake. We've got to listen to them. We need their thinking. We need their energy. We need them. And if the moment some red-hot live wire out of some missiological training course comes for his interview, and he says some things that you feel are over-the-top, you immediately throw cold water on him.

That's just, that's just folly. You've got to listen to him, just as God has listened to us all these years. And you've got to say, well that, you know, that sounds really good. You know, I'd like to read this book.

I seldom tell people, I'm not going to read your book. Why do we have to specialize in being obnoxious? Don't you know how many books I have to read? I have said at times things like that and felt miserable.

Generally, you know, I say, look, I'll give it a try. I'm supposedly writing a forward for a new book on Latin America. It's that thick. And it's now Vera tells me it's already too late anyway. It's published, but I've decided I'm going to finish reading this book.

It's incredibly boring. And then I have to repent because I feel that's bad if the Latin Americans hear that I think this book about Latin America is boring. But maybe it's because it's written by an American and actually, it did get exciting last, yesterday when I was reading another chapter.

If a book is boring, just read one chapter at a time. Just plodding, plodding through it. It might get exciting in the last chapter. I tend to think there are too many books. And we need a higher quality of book.

Character as the Greatest Need in Missions

Who am I to say that? Yeah, right. Thank you. Next time you ask for a blurb on your brochure, we will remind you. Repent down on the ground, down on the ground. What is the greatest need? As we think of the Muslim world, we think of the Hindu world, we think of all the different visions we're trying to incorporate.

All the different policies we're trying to stuff into our manual. We are idealistic. That's good. And you younger ones are more idealistic than most of us older ones. Good. That's the way it's supposed to be.

And we need the right blend of realism and idealism and somehow for the Holy Spirit to keep it all together. But I believe the greatest need is for us to grow in our character. And that's the thrust of the message.

The greatest need is for us to become more in tune with the Sermon on the Mount. More in tune with what Gordon McDonald brings out in his books. What so many men of God have brought out in their books, whether you take Andrew Murray or Bill Heimer, whether you take A .W. Tozer, and I've been going through his tapes lately, even more unusual sometimes than his books.

We know all these men have their faults. But it's a plea for holiness. It's a plea for godliness. It's to make character building a priority. But I guess one of the most encouraging letters came from Mike Evans.

I was thinking that after Tony Campala and after Brother Andrew, all these strong messages that perhaps I should give, you know, a plea for love and balance, just the other side of the coin. But I didn't have much choice.

Conlon and Maiden took me aside in a corner. No, it wasn't in a corner. They don't need corners. These guys can corner you in the middle of the room. Try to deny this. Try to deny this. And they said, look, after last night with Campala, we need, you know, what are you thinking about giving?

And I said, okay, the Lord's already spoken, you guys. Leave me alone. Balance. The other side of the coin. My dear, dear, dear black friend from from Little Rock. I could have lost that relationship because he is strong on being an overcomer.

I'm in his six series tape. I'm being a six tape series, being an overcomer. And I tell you, that message of George Verwer, the last message of my struggles and failings, really, really bothered him. I thank God he had the courage to come to me just before he went back.

We had some time, basically mega motivated about his time, and he got the courage to get this out. You know, was I really an overcomer? I tell you, I gave him both shots right between the eyes. He'll never doubt that again.

The truth is, I'm trying to figure out what the word means. But Mike Evans wrote me this letter, and he said he believes that the message I shared on the last day is as radical as anything else that was shared.

I love you. I'm not saying it's better. We're not comparing. But it was as radical as anything else that was shared. Sometimes, and I think I fell into that camp at times, we think to be radical, it must be upsetting.

To be radical, it must be off the wall. To be radical, everybody must feel absolutely miserable afterward and never be able to drive their own car again. To be radical, it has to be loud. Of course, naturally, I believe that.

But there is something radical about love. There is something radical about biblical balance. There is something radical about that side of the OM message, which maybe comes out stronger today than it did 20 years ago.

Hallelujah! Or probably people like Peter Maiden, so level-headed, wouldn't even stay in the movement. I mean, imagine a person living in the same town his entire life. I mean, can you even relate to that?

Can you even try to just try to get that into your mind? Talk about a missionary. This man is about as missionary as, you know, I wouldn't say... No, he is a missionary. You're either a missionary or a mission field.

This other letter that encouraged me to share and just give this plea tonight came from a leader in Campus Crusade for Christ. He compared OM with the movement, the Donover Fellowship, and with that woman who, Elizabeth Elliott, wrote that book about, Amy Carmichael.

Amy Carmichael, her writings overwhelm me. You know, that Calvary love poem, just, you know, I've given up reading it for a while. It's just so devastating. And we fed upon that in the early days, and we want to keep reading it, but it's not the whole side of the picture.

And it may be a particular figure of speech, a particular way of saying something. You have some of that in the Bible, but anyway, I was encouraged, as he said, that movement... I don't know much, that much about it.

That movement majored in emphasizing character rather than qualifications. Many movements today emphasize qualifications. That's where our society is. Not completely. Nothing is that way anymore. It's dangerous to generalize more than ever.

But there is a terrific emphasis, especially in certain countries, on qualifications. We're not putting that down, but I believe if we took a vote, we could agree in this movement that character, godliness, honesty, integrity, justice, purity, the ability to speak the truth, the ability to give the right change, all of that side of us, to treat our wives properly and lovingly, to be truthful with one another, to not exaggerate the whole challenge of holiness, of righteousness, of character.

I believe we would agree and vote that character is higher and more important than qualifications. That has been, without us knowing it, without us realizing it, one of the distinctives of the movement.

Obviously not distinct. Many had the same thing. But if you do go back a hundred years in the missions in Great Britain, pre-WECC, pre-CT study, he was a man of high qualifications. If you go back before that and to a large degree after that, in many streams, there was a huge emphasis on qualifications.

People were, you know, when even they were introduced, they were, all of their past qualifications, whether it was cricket or whatever, was lifted up. Borden of Yale, it's emphasized how brilliant Borden of Yale was.

It is a great story and it's a moving book. We should all read it. But in it comes the idea that missions is for a very select, highly educated group of people who really forsake a lot. They really forsake a lot.

In a lot of mission books, play up what men have left in order to become missionaries. I'm not saying that's totally wrong. But what about the person who didn't leave that much, who grew up in a Christian home?

I think of Jonathan. Maybe that's embarrassing to him. Who grew up in a Christian home and who through the Word of God, through godly parents, eventually through conversion and all of the means of grace, become men of character, of strong Christian character.

Maybe they never forsook anything. Maybe they never had high credentials or high qualifications. Surely, in OM, we have always believed in both. In the early days when a few started to come into the work out of Cambridge and Oxford, it was very motivating to us.

We needed people with those gifts. Abilities to learn languages. Phil Bushel out in Bangladesh. You don't just go out and learn that kind of language, anybody. You've got to have something to start with.

And praise the Lord. I feel so unworthy when I go to Bangladesh. And when I read Phil Bushel's letters, and he wouldn't like me to say this, because I know that that I don't have up here, probably here, what it takes to do what he's doing.

I don't have what it takes to do what Julian is doing in Ankara. I can barely even relate to Ankara. I get depressed the moment I get out of the plane in Turkey. They wonder why I haven't been there lately.

I used to go twice a year for many years. It was always difficult for me. So slow. So much plotting. So much suffering. It's... I'm not... I'm not seemingly built for that. And you know, there's a lot of intimidation coming today.

And some of you, there's a possibility you're going to mess up your ministry. You're going to mess up your family. If you get intimidated into doing something that you're not necessarily built for. I always remember Dave Brown's testimony.

There's Anne. There's Dave. Anyway, it's better if he's not here. But I always remember his testimony of coming to the conclusion that pioneering in Iran, in the Muslim world, was not what God was leading him into.

God was leading him into something behind the scenes. To get other people to do that. To stand with him. Now, I know we always hear the messages about how few are going. But the truth is that in the history of the church, it does seem to be.

Now, if revival came, it might change. But in the history of the church, it does seem that we have a small number of people who are cut out for this kind of thing. Cracking Bengali. Cracking Arabic. Mickey had enough guts to admit that he wouldn't learn a language.

I punched him a couple of times about that, old Mickey Walker. Eventually, he settles in Dublin. And from Dublin, he's had a worldwide ministry. He's just come back from Taiwan. I don't want to over labor the point.

But I believe there's a place in O .M. for people of every kind of giftedness. It was something this summer to see people who were cripples. Naturally, we can't take everybody. We need wisdom. But I believe as we interview people, as we counsel people, as we look at people, what can they offer for world missions?

The priority is character. Do they have patience? Do they have purity? And are they working in a consistent way toward greater purity? Are they and are they committed to learning how to speak the truth in every situation?

Lying is easier and easier in our culture. Maybe Gordon could say a word about that from New York City. But Time or Newsweek featured lying. And that was an unusual title some years ago. They featured lying.

And that this is just the ordinary thing. When we have things like Watergate and Iran Gate and all these different scandals.

That's the tip of the iceberg. That's just the tip.

Beneath it is a world in which truth is no longer important. If we don't think this is affecting the church, if we don't think this is affecting the kind of person that comes to love Europe, then I think we're deceived.

The Sermon on the Mount as a Guide for Christian Character

Character, Christ-likeness. And I would like to encourage you this year in your desire for study, to study more of the Sermon on the Mount. Now, these passages are actually very controversial. For a while, a group influenced me, tried to influence me, that this isn't even for our day.

This isn't for our day. And, you know, I still, this is a Scofield Bible. Can you imagine George Verver still reading a Scofield Bible? I like the way it's put together. And most things I'm change. I'm very committed to change.

You know, every year I got something new, right? It wasn't last year roller coasters. It's still roller coasters. But it takes a while, some of these things to go. But for a lot of people in the church, taught for a long time, leading seminaries.

This, this is not for today. I believe most of, we may not have full unity on this. I don't know all of you, but I believe most of us believe here the Sermon on the Mount is highly relevant for today.

You might want to try Dr. Martyn Lloyd-Jones' two volumes on it. And in fact, if you read some of the notes, even in this Scofield Bible, you'll discover that down under whatever he's talking about in the area of dispensations, he believes that these passages that cause a lot of reality and a lot of action on the part of the people of God.

I say that because as you study theology and as you read commentaries and as you listen to different voices, I personally feel that today the Christian scene is more confusing than ever. I have a book that thick by Dave Hunt about the importance of heaven.

Maybe on the table. I have another book that thick, again, Dave Hunt's book about heaven. And when am I going to get the time? I believe it's a relevant issue. Reconstructionism is a very relevant, important issue.

But when am I going to get time to read those, just those two books on that one issue? There is so much controversy. Now, maybe you can't relate to this. If any of you can relate to this, maybe you can write to me because I find so much controversy among God's people as I go around different churches and different groups.

How, how, you know, we're talking about putting together a more united event with all these different groups in Europe. Do you read those of you who want to do this? Do you read? I hope so. Because I tell you, if we can pull off a more united event in which there is equal partnership of several different organizations, it will be five times more intensive than love your own.

Now, I'm not saying I'm against it, but I hope you're ready to pay the price. Because we are dealing with a divided church. Not only are the divisions between different organizations, different fellowships, different streams.

You can't even say certain words today. You should know if you're going to preach certain words you don't say anymore. One of America is psychology. If you're in a church, you use the word psychology.

You're going to get hit. So you better get a different word. Other churches, it doesn't matter. You have to know where you are. And it doesn't, it doesn't, don't think, well, if I'm in the Presbyterians, I know what language there are more different languages among different kinds of Presbyterians in America than you may be able to learn.

And I find just being honest, absolutely overwhelmed sometimes by all of this controversy. And let's be honest about our own situation in OM. We have a lot of differences. These memos we shoot around to each other are a joke.

They express deep feeling. One woman shared a deep memo in the middle of the year. I mean, it was heavy and it brought heavy reactions and they were very different reactions. And I'm the guy that sometimes has people on the end of the phone who have been devastated by some of these memos.

So they are not a joke. We have great differences among us. It's going to take a lot of effort to to continue to live together in the midst of the diversity. We have tremendous diversity of thinking when it comes to community.

Part of the work is still quite committed to community. Part of the work is moving absolutely in the opposite direction. Now, I'm bringing this to a close. I wanted to just let this one verse jump out of the Bible.

And that's verse 41, because I believe if we take this teaching, this example of Jesus Christ, and it's his example that's more important to me now than this one verse. Then I believe it will help us to maintain this commitment to character, to stay together in love and unity, to carry out the goals of Love Europe, to carry out the goals of the last months of the decade of Muslim emphasis.

And we hope that will continue into the 90s. I believe it will help us penetrate that huge block of unreached, so totally unreached Orthodox Hindus that Rick Hibner wants to speak to us about and all the rest.

I preached on a similar subject just a week ago, a little Pentecostal church in Haverford West. Got the outline there in my Bible, but I'm not going to use that. But the spirit of God somehow used that message.

Whosoever shall compel thee to go a mile, go with him too. Now, I've had a lot of struggle with Operation Mobilization this year. A lot of struggle. I had a lot of struggle with myself. So I've had a lot of struggle with myself.

I've also had struggles with my wife, which is mainly my fault. I've also had a few struggles with my children, which we don't want to talk about. I have struggles with Operation Mobilization. I have struggles with a few other things.

It means you're living fairly close to the precipice. Now, that's supposed to be the mark of the choleric temperament. I should have, according to the books, backslidden completely 20 years ago. Still here.

It must be your prayers or Mrs. Clapp who's still alive. Maybe it's my father who's here and has prayed for me. I don't know all the reasons. I sum it up by a simple word called grace. But I will tell you what's carried me through this year, and that's Jesus Christ and his teaching on going the extra mile.

And I want to just ask you to do that. Now, I know this teaching can be taken to extreme, and I don't want to do that. I saw a film the other day about Rajneesh. Some of you remember Talbrook. I hope you pray for him.

God's using him. He is an unusual character. His new book is wild. He's on television. He's on radio. And he's still broke. Send him a donation. Talbrook. I tell you, the people, the range of people that God brings to us.

Talbrook was one of the key men to expose Rajneesh. He was out there in Pune before Rajneesh ever got to Oregon. And he, I mean, it's wild. But if you saw that film on British television of Rajneesh and that cult, you just can't come out of that without shaking, just shaking.

And we want to confirm again as a body to in every way avoid anything that is cultic. We know we can go to extreme and there will be people that consider us a cult. If you can't give 15 reasons right off the top of your head as a field leader why we are not a cult and how to know we're not a cult, you need to go back to field leader training school.

Maybe they have that at Rill. But really, there are so many ways we can quickly show people that we are not a cult. The very fact that 45 ,000 of our graduates aren't even with us. They are all over the world.

There's no, there's hardly any common denominator among all these graduates. Except maybe they love Jesus Christ. We hope since quite a few of them are backslidden, we don't even have that. We're not a cult, but it does show how the devil works and how the devil, how the devil wants to try to destroy this work.

How the devil wants to try to bring major scandal into the ship, into, into, into anything. He wanted to bring it into, into, into Mosbach. I believe there were more satanic attacks, not Mosbach, Offenburg.

I believe there were more satanic attacks going on in Offenburg than we know. A lot of the arrows never hit us because so many people were praying. We don't even know what Satan had planned for Offenburg because of the tremendous volume of prayer that was going on.

Maybe some of the things that slipped through are a challenge that we need more prayer, though we know no matter how much we pray, there will be the struggles, the failures, the battles, and all the rest.

Going the Extra Mile in Relationships

The extra mile. Can I use a few more minutes to just challenge you who, who maybe are hurt, who maybe are confused, who maybe have been struggling about the things that go wrong on OM, about the things that you don't agree with, about a particular brother, about a particular sister, maybe just about yourself.

To take this example of Jesus Christ and go the extra mile. Let me be specific. Would you go the extra mile with that brother in OM that you feel you don't understand? Now, let's not pretend. Everybody in here has some OM-er, at least in mild terms, you don't really understand this person.

Would you, as a commitment to the Sermon on the Mount, as a commitment because you love Jesus Christ, go an extra mile and try to understand? I'm not even telling you to love him. Look how gentle I am.

I'm not even saying you have to love him yet. Just wait a few minutes. I am asking you to try to understand him. Why he says this, why he wrote that memo, or she wrote that memo. Before you make a categorical decision, before you, and seldom in OM do we verbally block people out.

We mentally block them out. I believe we even block people out subconsciously. If you feel that I have subconsciously blocked you out for any reason, please forgive me. I don't know of anybody in OM that I have anything against.

I have so many problems. Do I have to add that one as well? Can I have total victory in one area? I don't even like the word total victory, but a high degree of victory. I don't hold things against people.

It's not my thing. In fact, this is the way I've got some of my friends. People that really were hurt by me, and they did say some hurtful things, and somehow it just all turned around and love came out.

We don't have the time anymore like we used to. Do you realize how big this thing has gotten? And how slow it has gotten that big, so that some of us have been here all along. This is my 29th September conference.

29 years with no exceptions. Every September this is where I've been. Every year there are new people, there are new converts, there are new leaders, there are new marriages. I'm trying to keep track of the children, the babies.

I mean, it's ridiculous. Anybody with a brain would know I'm a fool. Thank you. But I'm still going to keep trying. I am happy not launching the next big vision of OM. Don't generalize about people. A guy like Ferber's got to launch another big vision or he'll never be happy.

We're all more complicated than we look. I am very happy not launching another big vision. I get a lot of motivation out of small visions. A lot of the things I do are incredibly small. People think it's a waste of time.

Maybe it's therapy. I am happy to get behind your big vision. I have no big vision for Turkey. As far as Turkey, Julie, I'm a survival. I stand in front of sometimes 10 ,000 people, even in television, and challenge people to pray for Turkey.

I believe we're going to reach Turkey. I believe we're going to see a harvest. But I don't have any big vision for Turkey. And if you launch your big Turkey vision on me, if I can't totally relate to it, fine.