SRR #36 | Disney Disappoints Us Again

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March 15, 2017

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01:35: Semper Ephraim on the radio My name is Tim, and I am in the house today with Joseph Rios so today
01:44: We're gonna be talking about the Disney movie and just trying to tackle it from a biblical worldview, but first I wanted to Start off with this.
01:58: I I was talking to a friend About New Covenant theology this week, and this is something that I've seen quite a bit
02:06: I think from New Covenant theologians, and I guess I would say that I've spoken to about 20
02:12: New Covenant theologians and This is this is kind of interesting because I guess it just depends on who you talk to at a conversation with Dustin Seegers a while back and We were talking about sanctification and asked him what their view on Sanctification was and he said that it was basically the same thing as what a
02:33: Reformed Baptist would believe, but then I was talking to another individual and he was saying that Covenant theologians believe that we're sanctified by the law and that that's wrong and I tried to draw him out a little bit about it but he was under the impression that we're sanctified by law -keeping and I remember this came up earlier in our conversations with the guys from Conversations from the
02:59: Porch, and I'm not necessarily Wanting to even tackle what what they may or may not believe because I'm not really sure what they would say about this
03:07: But I remember that we had that we had We had a quote from John Reisinger And I just want to read this real fast
03:16: It says let us not make the same mistake that the that the Reformers made They thoroughly reformed the gospel message of justification by faith, but failed to reform some other doctrines
03:28: They threw out justification by the works of the law, but held to Sanctification by the law and I'm not really sure what they mean by sanctification by the law.
03:40: All I know is that the New Covenant theologian that I was speaking to my friend who
03:46: I was speaking to was under the impression that Covenant theology holds that we are sanctified by law -keeping and that is something that We that that Covenant theology actually rejects and so I just wanted to tackle that sort of set the record straight
04:03: There's a really good quote from John Robbins from an article titled the gospel according to John MacArthur and in it he touches on the issue of sanctification and He says quote it is also the
04:19: Protestant and biblical position that Sanctification does not consist of good works, but is the progressive moral cleansing accomplished by God through his truth
04:29: Quote sanctify them by your truth. Your word is truth end quote and that's a from John 17
04:38: Sankt sanctification no less than justification and regeneration is an act of God whatever good works we do are predestined by God and are the result of our justification and our sanctification not the cause
04:56: We do not become good by practicing good deeds as Aristotle taught
05:01: We do some good deeds because we have been declared legally righteous in justification and made partially good in sanctification
05:12: We work out only because God has already justified and sanctified us
05:17: So the the position and I just want to throw this out there if any new
05:22: Covenant theologians would like to engage on this That's fine. But from what I from what
05:27: I understand that is not the view of Covenant theology We are not sanctified by the by keeping the law we were sanctified by the law in the sense that it is it is the
05:43: Word of God and It it sanctifies us to to read it and to I mean you're actually
05:50: Sanctified by reading any part of the Bible and this is what Jesus meant when he said sanctify them by your truth.
05:56: Your word is truth. So we're sanctified by the Word of God and that's basically renewing our mind in in the light of God's Word that we are progressively becoming more and more like Christ.
06:08: We're progressively learning to Think and act more and more like Christ And so that this sort of leads us into our discussion today about the the whole
06:21: Disney debacle because we should be striving to Continue to be to being sanctified by the truth sanctified by the
06:32: Word of God learning how to think like Christ and so Joseph let me ask you first.
06:39: Do you have anything to to say to what I just what I just laid out? No, it's pretty straightforward.
06:46: I Actually could read completely with what you said. I'm talking to add a whole lot to it. Okay? Well, so Joseph, let's go ahead and do this you and I were talking and we had a conversation with Carlos about last week and To be honest with you.
07:02: I I really didn't even want to talk about Disney I I really didn't want to To even have to address this
07:14: Beauty and the Beast movie and After some things came up in my personal life
07:20: I realized that I probably should and if you've followed our podcast you would maybe remember that early on when
07:29: Carlos and I first started podcasting we took up the issue of The LGBTQ agenda and one of the things that we were very adamant about was just pointing out that the
07:41: LGBTQ agenda is an antichrist agenda and it is extremely hostile to the the church and So I would encourage you guys to go back and listen to those episodes
07:53: I think we did like four episodes and we actually never even finished the episodes We there was so much more to cover both
08:00: Carlos and I just got really tired of talking about it and we wanted to talk about other things, but there was some really good stuff on there we talked about the the the bakeries that were being targeted by gay activists
08:15: We talked about a whole bunch of things in there and one of the things that we we had planned and going back and talking about was just what we see going on in the in the
08:26: Disney realm or in the in the kids animation realm and At the time
08:32: I had mentioned that you know that they wanted to make Elsa From frozen into a lesbian.
08:40: That was one of the things that was on their agenda on their list of things to to to do and What we see is that they are accomplishing
08:49: What they're setting out to do now. They they're They're aggressive the LGBTQ a movement is is an aggressive movement and it's a hostile movement and I got my wife's permission to to talk about this and I don't mean that in an effeminate way
09:09: Anytime a man says he got he has his wife's permission. I sort of I sort of laugh at him, but the reason
09:18: I say that is because something came up this week that pertains to my wife and I asked her if it would be okay if if I shared it with our listeners and Another thing about me that you know, our listeners would probably already know is that I'm I'm a pretty open book
09:34: I try to tell it like it is. I've shared the the stuff that's going on with my with my family and so This is this is just another thing to really talk about but earlier this week or actually is about last week a group of ladies from a
09:54: Church I don't want to name the church, but a group of ladies from from a church had decided to have a ladies ladies get -together like a ladies night out, you know, and they decided to they decided to go see the movie
10:10: Beauty and the Beast and So one individual one of the ladies bought the tickets for everybody
10:16: And I think there were 20 about 20 ladies that were were going and some of them
10:22: I mean We've we've known for years and years.
10:27: I mean, these are what I would consider faithful Christians and Then after the tickets were bought the the individuals she spent
10:38: I think over $200 on on the movie tickets then the bombshell was dropped that that there was a gay character in the movie that that that one of the characters his actual character was was a homosexual and When that news came out my wife and I had a conversation on the phone and I asked her
11:00: I said what? Are you? What are you gonna do about it? I mean and and And she said well like, you know
11:13: She really didn't know and I told I said why I don't think that you should go to the I don't I don't think you
11:18: Should go see the movie and she responded with well that sucks you know, she'd had her heart's on seeing the movie and not not so much because she
11:28: Really loved this movie, but because my wife is a mother of three very young children she doesn't get out of the house very much and This was an opportunity for her to go to lunch and see 20 other ladies that she hasn't seen in a long time, but that she dearly loves and She was very disappointed at the fact that and on the phone conversation.
11:54: She said she said well, yeah I know where this is going like this sucks. Like I'm not gonna I'm not gonna get to go and I struggled with whether or not
12:04: I should let her go whether or not I you know, is it you know? Is it something that's really it's really out there
12:11: Is it something that I I mean? you know would I be compromising if I allowed her to go so that she could see all of these other people and a
12:20: Lot of the ladies that that she was gonna see she hasn't seen in she hasn't seen them in years and so there's a great opportunity to reconnect with old friends and So Throughout the week.
12:34: I was I was really struggling with whether or not you know, am I am I being legalistic? Is this really that big of a deal?
12:41: and my wife shared some things with me that some of her concerns were She felt like she was going to Possibly be the only one who's gonna opt out of it and say well
12:53: I'm not going to go and then I Suppose that she was struggling with how to how to deal with that And so what
13:01: I what I did was I offered her I said this I said well tell you what look I will take you out you and I will go have a date.
13:08: We'll get a babysitter and I'll take you out and We'll go do something instead of that and I mean you know,
13:17: I think that that sort of helped but there was there was a moment when where There was a temptation to compromise and just say well, you know, we already bought the ticket.
13:29: Let's just go and What I realized was that at the time my conviction was a little bit stronger than her conviction
13:38: Because I didn't have any I didn't you know, these aren't my friends. I'm not I'm not missing anything and She really wanted to go and so I was convicted that no we you shouldn't go see this movie, but she was wanting to still go and and so that that actually became very difficult because And what
14:01: I what I think and Joseph you can you can sort of tell me what you think about this but I think one of the most difficult things in a marriage and This will probably come up with raising kids.
14:14: This will probably come up with with just Entertainment and stuff like that. One of the things that I I think is the most difficult things to walk out is when a couple does have a different conviction about something or when one person is wanting to compromise or let something slide and the other person is wanting to hold fast and So I found myself as a husband
14:39: Struggling with whether or not I should put up a wall put my foot down and say no you're not gonna go or whether or not
14:46: I should allow her to you know make the decision and operate based off of her own conviction and Sort of just tell her remind her this is what the
14:56: Bible says and this is what? the Word of God says and lead her in that in that direction, but leave the decision up to her and We talked about the kids we you know
15:06: We realized that no, this is not something that we would allow the kids to see but then the temptation began became
15:13: We were tempted to sort of treat this as an adult film. Well, okay, the kids can't see it
15:19: But we're adults, you know, we know that this is that this is wrong And so that was pretty much the the struggle with with everything and so today
15:28: I just want to tackle What what is a biblical perspective about this what what should
15:34: Christians do should Christians Allow their kids to see it should Christian adults
15:41: Go see the movie but Joseph, what do you What are your thoughts on any of that okay, so I was
15:52: I was fortunate enough to be part of the the conversation with you and Carlos and so I think
16:00: That the decision to me was is super clear so once you identified it as something that I'm That is a not good or sin or that God hates
16:12: Then then it doesn't to me. It doesn't take much more than that and so that so I hold a probably a stronger position than than most of it, but it's just Based on on I think a simple straightforward reading of certain texts of Scripture So for so, for example,
16:30: I hadn't spoken to my wife about it up until You had had shared that with us and and then after a discussion
16:39: I realized I just needed to go have that conversation So the next day I went over to my wife and told her that we're not watching that movie because of these reasons a different approach
16:51: The what it reminds me of is Was it? first Peter 3 7 and so you husbands in the same way live with your wives in an understanding way as with someone who's weaker since she is a woman and She'll her honor as a fellow error of the grace of life.
17:11: So your prayers may not be hindered and so Living with them in an understanding way. That's that's the important part.
17:17: So what it isn't necessarily is isn't Is you know, obviously not being belligerent and not not being a short temper
17:25: With them not getting angry because they don't understand right away the same way they have the the admonition to To fear us and it was in the same way that that Sarah feared
17:37: Abraham It was with reverence. I think in that situation when you can identify what should or shouldn't be done
17:45: It's the onus is on on the man at that point the husband to lead his wife so just as I wouldn't
17:53: You know if we're gonna if we're to use the shepherd analogy just as I wouldn't Tell tell this sheep as it were that you go this way and I'll go that way and I hope you make the right decision
18:04: I wouldn't do that with my wife being the weaker vessel. I Love her. I love her enough to have an uncomfortable conversation for her to be frustrated with me because I have her best interest in Mind, unfortunately with my wife.
18:16: We're pretty much on the same page most the time Especially after a discussion right so, you know
18:22: We talked about it a little bit and then it made it really clear and she had a very similar For different reasons and probably different tone
18:30: Because it wasn't a built -up event for my wife she wasn't planning on doing this with a group of people or or getting the opportunity to Spend time with people.
18:38: She hasn't seen in a while So she's just like well that sucks but not in that, you know frustrated as much way like yeah
18:44: I get it and that sucks that it's that way, you know, not not that not this is happening to me. So Um, I don't know it
18:52: I don't have as much of a with it with entertainment I think that the what we run into with this is that for American Christianity and and I think this is perhaps a
19:04: Problem for people who are in more more wealthy places and have more access to these things
19:11: It's a It's our one of our idols is entertainment what we do when we don't want to think and we just want to stare at something
19:19: And let it come into our minds and I think that there's a couple of verses that That I kind of hold to on these things and to be fair to anybody who's listening.
19:28: I struggle with this as well I don't execute this perfectly, but I think the scriptures clear So I'll reference us
19:35: Psalm 101 3. I will set no worthless thing before my eyes. I Hate the work
19:43: Those who fall away It shall not fasten its grip on me and some 97 10 hate evil
19:53: You who love the Lord who preserves the souls of his godly ones. He delivers that from the hand of the wicked and so I mean but just between the two of those
20:02: I think that I can eliminate most forms of Entertainment in regards to the content or those who make it
20:13: And and so that makes that would mean my life boring if I wasn't busy all the time but I don't know
20:20: I Fall into that. I'll You know, I'll watch something and then
20:26: I'll think about it afterwards and it and that and Maybe I shouldn't have
20:32: So I still deal with that, but I think the scriptures clear So it's a feeling on my part not not the scripture lacking clarity, right?
20:40: Well, I I told my wife I Said in the first in the first conversation.
20:46: I said look, I don't know anything about it I need to find out some information. I need to listen to what others have to say so people who are smarter wiser more established in the faith than I am and And so that's what
21:03: I did and I I listened to Al Mohler I listened to I read an article by Matt Walsh and a lot of I don't really remember what
21:16: I'm trying to remember what Moeller said specifically, but he went over what the director said and and and so what
21:27: I found was that a lot of people were focusing on kids and Admonishing parents not to allow their kids to see this movie and for obvious reasons kids are impressionable and I really
21:42: I really believe that the LGBTQ agenda that they're they're focusing specifically on kids because if they can win the next generation then they will have won and Joseph as a matter of fact, you know what for our listeners?
21:58: Let's I'm sure that our listeners have already heard this but let's just go over it again. Do you have the the clip or the from the
22:07: Washington Post If you can read that Yeah, it's a it's a quote.
22:13: It looks to be a direct quotes from Washington Post And it's a condom is the the one being quoted
22:22: It says he says LeFou who on one day wants to be guest on and another day wants to kiss guest on condom told the magazine and Josh makes something really subtle and delicious out of it and that's
22:42: What has its payoff at the end, which I don't want to give away
22:47: But it's nice But I'm sorry, but it's a nice Exclusively gay moment in a
22:55: Disney movie and so this is this is actually a historic event
23:01: I think that if there was ever a time when parents and Christians would abstain from going or would
23:13: Would refrain from going to a Disney movie. I believe that this this one is it because this is a historic moment
23:19: This is the first ever Disney movie in which they have
23:26: Portrayed a character as as homosexual as as openly gay and So, I mean
23:36: I just in talking to my wife I came to the conclusion that you know, it wasn't something that we could see and I I asked her to pray about it and she
23:48: You know, she knew She she knew that she was she was going to say no
23:55: She was going to have to tell the other ladies that she wasn't going to be able to go but one of the things that I mean she's struggling with right now is
24:04: Why? Why do we see? so many other Christians compromise because It's a difficult thing to have to I mean if if they collectively and they have their own husbands,
24:20: I'm not even going to try to To correct them if I was ever going to Try to correct a female's behavior or whatever.
24:32: I would I would either go to her father. I would go to her husband I wouldn't step outside that covering.
24:38: I don't think that's wise Especially especially in this in this situation or in this context, but they have their own husbands and You know their husbands are going to lead them.
24:49: But you know, one of the things that My wife is is struggling with is why do you see so many
24:58: Christians? Compromising. Why do you see so many Christians? They're not
25:05: They're not with with us on on Boycotting target.
25:10: They're not with us on On you know holding the line and and they're not with us on and saying no, we're not gonna we're not going to go and see this this movie and I'm just wondering is this
25:27: Is this reflective of a downgrade within within church culture where we are allowing?
25:34: the world to creep in and I think that's one of the things that my wife was struggling with the most is
25:42: There may be a couple of other people who are going to say You know that they they're not going to go see the movie but for the most part as as it stands right now, we're under the impression that they're all still gonna go see the movie and I think that's that's one of the things that my wife was was struggling with and and quite frankly,
26:03: I'm bewildered by Well, I think part of the part of the reason there
26:09: I mean there's a few things The so I I got a chance to teach on the other night on the on the perilous soils and The that is the third soil the soil with the with the weeds that choke it up The cares of this world is the scary one right because for all intents and purposes it grows just like the good soil does
26:33: It does it the wind doesn't take it out and the sun doesn't burn it away In fact, it seems to be feeding that but because of its its care for the world's the deceitfulness of riches
26:43: It's choked out and produces no fruit. No fruit that comes to maturity Is how you could see it one way and the other one is that that that perseveres?
26:55: Large in general is just that that's most of modern evangelical Christianity and so I don't somebody's
27:04: I don't assume on people based on just a profession that they're that they're believers or just that they show up on a regular basis
27:11: My my so that's that's part of it. The other part is that Like the the lack of leadership as far as husbands are concerned,
27:20: I don't think that that And it's not like everybody can't do better at this or maybe there's somebody out there who does it perfectly as perfect as we can do but but we in in general need to be better about Shepherding our family, right?
27:38: Talking to our children about God and who he is What he demands his perfections his attributes depending on who you're reading or or talking to our wives about these things about what we're doing what's going on in our lives and Sharing our thoughts on What's what's well to do and not not in just a way of I'm curious as to what you have to think but I'm but I'm watching out for you
28:03: And I think there's there's too much of this emasculated American Christianity where we we feel bad for doing the right thing
28:13: Because Because it makes us out to be a brute if we if we make demands where as a leader, you're expected to Get for lack of a better way of putting a give order.
28:26: So so what I'm not saying is order around your wife What I am saying is when when you see danger you warn them of it and thankfully one of the differences between You know be being on the street doing evangelism and me having my wife who's right in front of me as I can
28:43: According to scripture I can tell her this is what we're doing or what we're not doing And somehow what the culture has infiltrated on that level in regards to husbands leading their wives
28:54: And so and so the question there is why aren't the husbands leading the wives? What are the husbands doing in regards to?
29:03: The work of the Saints are they are they are they are they
29:09: Renewing their mind Are they saying to fire? Are they being sanctified in truth?
29:15: or or Or are we are we missing that there too, and we're just assuming it Yeah one of the things that you touched on was the role of the husband and I think you know that that's really what
29:31: I struggled with this week was Because I And for the it's weird because my wife and I are usually on the same page.
29:43: And so for the first time And in really a long long time there was a struggle as to what what should we do and The the thing that I kept going back to and I mentioned this in our earlier episodes
29:59: I've referenced this before but You see in the garden a Garden of Eden that the
30:04: God gives the the word to Adam he tells Adam not to eat of the the tree of the knowledge of good and evil and Then the serpent comes to Eve and the serpent tempts
30:18: Eve and in Genesis 3 verse 6 it says so when the woman saw that the tree was good for food and that it was a delight to the eyes and That the tree was to be desired to make one wise
30:35: She took of its fruit and ate and she also gave some to her husband who was with her.
30:40: This is just so profound because First of all, we we know that God spoke directly to Adam it was his job to cover his wife and so the serpent comes to Eve and it's amazing that that after God tells
30:58: Adam explicitly if you eat of this tree you will die Well, we obviously know that that fruit is no good
31:05: But it says that that Eve saw that the tree was good for food
31:11: So my question is how is it that Eve? was able to look upon that tree and see that it was good for food in light of the fact that God had already said
31:21: This will kill you well, the only way that Eve could have looked at the fruit looked at the tree and saw that it was good was if if she was if she was failing to look at that tree in light of God's Word and That's exactly what happened is that it is a
31:40: Eve failed to look at that tree in the light of God's Word and I believe that that's a lot of times what what we do as believers what we do as Christians We can look at something and we can think well, that's good.
31:52: And I've seen so many Christians do this. They look at something like homosexuality and they'll say well they love each other.
31:59: That's good and Essentially they're doing exactly this they're failing to look at look at whatever it is that they are affirming or whatever it is that they're
32:09: That they are justifying they're failing to look at that in the light of God's Word because God's Word is clear about the the issue of homosexuality and and so then
32:20: Just going back to this verse 6 in Genesis 3. It says That it was a delight to the eyes.
32:28: Well Entertainment is a delight. It's it's fun and What is astonishing is that You see that she eats the fruit and then it says and she also gave to her husband who was with her so Adam was was with her the entire time that this was happening and what he does is he completely neglects his responsibility as her husband and I Mean knowing that God has said you will die.
33:01: He allows her to eat of the the fruit and and What he should have done was he should have taken a boulder and crushed the head of the serpent
33:13: But instead what he does he's just he's so negligent he he did not see his wife as as one who is precious to to guard and to protect and This this is what
33:26: I I had to tell my wife was that you're you're precious to me. I I don't
33:33: Want you to go see this? I I I believe that there is an Antichrist agenda behind this this is a deliberate move by Disney to to conform the culture to the world or to conform the church to the world and If you if you go and you look at what
33:53: God's Word says about this it's it's abundantly clear God says that homosexuality is an abomination that it's a sin.
34:01: And so here we have a movie that is that is exalting it that is
34:07: That is glorifying it that is presenting it as something that is good
34:12: And I don't think that Christians are going to say well, yeah I I think homosexuality is good now, but I Don't think that so the compromise looks like this.
34:24: Well, I don't think it's that bad or I I don't I don't really think it's that big of a deal and I'm just thinking if you would look at this in the light of God's Word You would be convicted you would you would see this as a big deal you would
34:42: You would refrain from it That that was that was my appeal and so throughout the week
34:49: I was I was tempted with okay So I don't I don't want to just be You know legalistic.
34:56: I don't want to just be Shutting everything down But I I can't come away with anything other than if you just if you look at what
35:06: God's Word says You will recognize that that this is no good and that that you should stay away from this
35:15: Joseph what are your thoughts on that? I mean there's a So I mean, so this has been coming up in some conversations
35:23: And so we we're probably not short on on things to talk about with it. You've got some people saying, you know
35:29: Well, uh, you know, you know, there's there's things like that in the Bible So why can't we watch it over here if we can we can you know, we can read in the
35:37: Bible Because like for an entertainment type thing, I would say if your kids shouldn't watch it
35:42: You probably shouldn't watch it as an adult and And so somebody was says well that stuff's in the
35:48: Bible and and I say well the Bible's not an entertainment It's the Word of God and it's profitable for making making the man of God perfect There's in a part of the
35:56: Bible. I would not read to my children because it's the Word of God Now there was a couple chapters in and in Proverbs I read through faster about adultery because I was
36:09: I was I was concerned about that conversation and she caught that towards the end of it and it led to a big conversation, but But yeah, you can't make that analogy
36:20: It's the the scripture. You can't look at you can't say well it's in here so we can watch it there Those are two totally different things
36:27: The Word of God supposed to to be for us in a way that's beneficial to us that out
36:32: There is from the world of the evil one and you can't compare the two I think to compare the two is to not understand really what the
36:40: Word of God is It's almost like a justification in that way but um, but yeah, it's it's
36:47: You know, you know people people cry legalism a lot of times when when they want to keep on doing what they're doing
36:54: That doesn't comport with the Word of God friend of mine Once told me we were talking about holiday type stuff and he said it's not a he said the same thing
37:04: It's not a hill. I'm willing to die on and I said well I suppose I am and he goes there's a lot of hills.
37:10: He'll die on and I said no, sir There's there's only one hill. I'm willing to die on that's truth
37:16: It just happens to be attacked from a lot of sides Hmm, and so so when it comes to this is what the truth is
37:24: And I will I will die on that hill I don't think that the one one part of God's Word is less precious than another and so I'm not gonna pick
37:32: Those things and so I typically come off as not typically but sometimes I come off as somebody who
37:39: Somebody accused me the other day of saying you Exactly the way you do you you're you're gonna say they're an unbeliever and that's not true
37:47: But because I was defending Having the same God as it being important in regards to fellowship and whether or not somebody's a
37:53: Christian They they took that approach and that was but that's the same as the cry to legalism
38:00: You're too narrow -minded but narrow is the way and so the the the scary
38:07: Here's the here's the horrible part Is that like the majority of these conversations that are being had in regards to this have no scripture in them?
38:16: It's all about human wisdom or a matter of how somebody feels about it. Well, well, here's the here's the the the the problem with that is that My heart is evil and wicked and deceitful and we can't trust it and and when you know the
38:36: The fool does what's right in his own eyes every time and in judges They did what was right in their own eyes. It was that was the bad part
38:43: You know, we shouldn't lean on our own understanding But in all our ways acknowledge him, right?
38:50: and so if we're not using scripture to make these decisions if we're just gonna try to like weigh it out based on our philosophies and then have
38:59: And and then and then go go always go to the ones that let us do what we want and never look the ones that that prevent us from doing things that harm us because they are sinful or full of sin or that there is
39:13: There's evil in it Then then we're gonna look like the world because maybe we are it and that's that's the thing that always scares me
39:21: Is that and so so I'm not I'm not as concerned for somebody who struggles with it
39:26: I'm concerned for somebody who always runs towards what permits them to do the thing and never weighing out whether or not
39:35: This should be bad because of these other things and and a prize for the matter of conscience
39:42: Every time they want to do what they want to do, you know on that point one of the things that I guess
39:50: Came up was whether or not this this was a conscience issue Like a matter of personal conviction and My my thinking is this if you're not convicted by something like this.
40:06: I Think that might be a Deficiency in you.
40:11: I don't know how else to say it, but it's almost like at what point do you?
40:17: Do you say I mean so the the murderer who murders? May not feel convicted
40:25: Okay. Well, so what it's still wrong It's objectively morally wicked so why if you're a professing
40:36: Christian and you've been a professing Christian for 10 15 years or whatever.
40:42: Why why are you not convicted about something like this that that God? Absolutely hates this behavior and it's being flaunted glorified exalted
40:56: As something that is that is wonderful and good so I'm just wondering if there's a sort of a disconnect here between what people
41:07: Should be thinking what they're actually thinking and then the other thing is you you I think earlier you had mentioned just Reading through Psalms or whatever with your kids and and going a little bit fast
41:19: I I actually ran into a difficult situation because My my oldest my four -year -old.
41:27: He loves Angry Birds he thinks they're they're awesome, and he likes the the game
41:32: Angry Birds and stuff like that and We had decided maybe a couple of months ago to Through Amazon Prime to get the movie the the
41:45: Angry Birds movie and We I let him watch it. I think once and then another time
41:51: I was doing some work on the computer and I was sitting there and I was watching it and I Noticed that the that the yellow bird in that movie was very effeminate and it was a boy
42:02: It was a boy bird and it was very effeminate and then during a one part in the movie
42:08: There's there's an eagle or whatever, I don't know but the the yellow bird has fantasies about the
42:17: The eagle who's a male and I realized that okay this this is this bird
42:26: But by all appearances a they didn't come out and say that he's gay but he's he's a male bird fantasizing about another male bird and he's
42:35: He's effeminate and it was really interesting because my wife pointed out to me after we had this conversation that it's the same actor who plays
42:44: LeFou in Beauty and the Beast and so I and he plays
42:51: Olaf in in in That snow movie, whatever it is.
42:56: I I forget the snowflake movie That's not a frozen.
43:03: Yeah. Yeah I Was a snowflake movie people were probably gonna think that they made a movie about liberals
43:12: They So It's the same actor and so we had decided that we weren't going to allow him to see it
43:23: We just we there's I think cartoon like a series of Cartoons of Angry Birds and so we just let him watch that but the actual
43:34: Official movie that came out in theaters. We we said no and And that was it.
43:39: He forgot about it But then he went to his grandparents house and they put that movie on for him.
43:45: And so Then he he said something about you know That they saw it and my wife actually had to had to talk to him about why we can't see that movie
43:57: Why why we don't want him to watch that movie and I'm thinking about how do we how do we communicate this to our son?
44:04: who's four and my wife just she has a lot of a
44:10: Lot of grace and understanding with with where he's he's at in his development She's she's a pediatric nurse and I just thank
44:18: God for my wife because she's basically said well the yellow bird Acts like a girl and That's that's a sin.
44:27: That's wrong boys or shit should act like boys and girls should act like girls and Then we went to My my son is gonna be we're gonna be homeschooling and so we're gonna be doing this program called classical conversations and We meet with other homeschoolers every every
44:47: Monday. And so we're checking out the program. He's gonna start next next year And we went to visit and he got to participate and one of the things that they do is a little presentation so the the kids will get up and they'll they'll talk about something and they'll present on something and so they they
45:06: And everybody there was awesome. So this isn't to knock on them, but they asked they asked my son
45:12: They're like, oh do you want to present and he had his little angry bird toys with them like three little characters and they asked him
45:19: They said, uh Why don't you just tell us about that and he says well, this is angry birds and and Some of the other kids got excited and they were like, oh,
45:28: I love angry birds Oh, yeah, I saw the movie and then another kids like yeah, I saw the movie too.
45:33: I have the movie and My son he says he says yeah that movies bad because the yellow bird acts like a girl and He says that to all the other kids and I was like, you know
45:51: I don't know if it's something that that their parents just I mean these are I think these are these are
45:56: Godly Christian parents and I think that it's probably just something that they didn't recognize or that they didn't know but Yeah, you know my wife it made my wife and I realized that we are going to have to screen
46:12: Everything that we put in front of our kids. We're gonna have to filter it. We're gonna have to watch it we're gonna have to make sure because there's there's a move in the
46:21: LGBTQ agenda or movement to desensitize children
46:28: To the the the gay agenda and You put it in front of kids enough and and you desensitize them
46:38: And I remember when I was a kid coming out of a movie, you know, you you talk about hey, did you see this part?
46:45: did you see that part and You know kids want to they want to be the superhero.
46:51: They want to be whatever it is that they that they see on TV or they
46:57: They fall in love with the characters. And so there's a there's clearly an agenda to desensitize children to these things and My wife and I like I was really proud when he stood there in front of the other kids and said
47:13: You know that movies bad because the yellow bird acts like a girl or whatever and I was really proud of him
47:21: But you know, it just it was it was pretty eye -opening to me that as a parent
47:27: I need to be vigilant to To guard my my child to guard his heart and his mind
47:34: So that so that he's not conformed to to the culture and that he's not desensitized
47:40: I mean, that's you know, the that's one of the benefits of homeschool is being able to To control those things a little bit more
47:48: You know and then also, you know who your kids are around is important I mean my one of the biggest things for for homeschooling for me was that I felt like I was playing triage
47:59: Every evening when my daughter got home And I couldn't keep up I couldn't I couldn't you know, the
48:05: Other children that she had in her class had more sway She would be more willing to call me a liar
48:11: And to believe what they had to say about something that wasn't true and It was just such a
48:21: Sort of blessing and in that way at least to be able to For my wife to be able to start homeschooling her and I help when
48:31: I'm home and I can but it's a You know, but the thing we can't we can't let our guard down for anything.
48:39: That's the scary I mean, that's a hard part, right? We can't let our guard down for anything. I went to a private Christian school from 58th grade and I don't like thinking back.
48:50: I mean I'm sure everybody there thought they were a Christian but I think I think of like maybe one or two people there that That lived it out and and so much of how they behaved and treated other people
49:01: But we all we all we're all sure of it, you know, I'm sure we all prayed at something at some point in time and believed it but But I can't
49:12: I've just been exposed to so many people who say they believe in God and have no reverence for his name or hatred for things that he hates
49:21: Say that they have those compassions for him that they're willing to compromise for their brother their sister or their mother
49:30: Before Fighting for truth in Christ and he made that explicitly clear in regards to What the terms were?
49:40: But we but we could be because we we have a lot of people anyways have this lenient version
49:47: Of God who doesn't mean what he says when he makes his demands We have a lot of you know, and and you're a horrible person for pointing out that somebody might not be meeting that Then then we have a culture of people who a lot of them for no biblical reason
50:08: They think that were that they're believers and And so I just I'm always
50:14: I'm always really I mean so this isn't to say like every you know to Reject the notion of all the people who you know may have let their kids watch whatever this isn't really an attack in that way but it's just a
50:27: It's don't assume those things You know, I don't you know, like I mean haven't having those kinds of conversations like I have to have conversations with my mom every now and then in regards to You know, this is what we do or don't do or this is what we say or don't say or this is what we watch
50:43: And don't watch because at the end of the day I'm responsible for the raising of my child and I love my mom enough to tell her that that she's wrong in Exposing her to this or that and it's not like there's any kind of major gross negligence or error
50:57: But but I really care about what goes into my daughter's mind And and I care about what you know how she's treated or what she sees in adults around her
51:08: So much that I don't talk to my mom about stuff and you know, try to be as gentle as possible. She's a she's a
51:15: Little bit more emotional than I am. So so I have to be a little bit more careful. I love her a lot But but my responsibility is is to my my wife and my children
51:26: And so I have to have to be vigilant those things. So I just we can't let up we can't We don't have down moments.
51:32: We don't have relaxing moments when we're dealing with Shepherding our families
51:40: Well, let me ask you a question do you do you think that Christians Have lost the culture or are losing the cultural battle.
51:52: I Think if you're making a battle with the culture, you've already lost So So should we be mindful of it?
52:00: Yes. Can we be ignorant and completely ignore it? No, I think John the Baptist was very much paying attention to what
52:05: Herod did and he wasn't fighting for the culture He was fighting against sin, right? you know that that apparently was acceptable at that time because there were no negative ramifications for what he did other than a man of God calling him out in public but But I don't think that we
52:24: I think that if you're asking maybe I'm Responding to the question wrong. You're asking whether or not we were losing the the
52:34: The struggle in so much of internally in the church and we're Becoming more like the culture.
52:40: I think that there's there's a few churches in Revelation that match that fit
52:46: I think that If we if we say that's true that it's one of two things happening either
52:54: And on us or on that local body for those things coming or it's just It's just exposing people maybe who to who have a profession, but don't have possession of faith
53:10: I'm so I don't I don't know. I don't know that the You know, I think that we
53:16: I think we that us being lenient on on these things That's not speaking up about these things only helps to to grow the problem
53:27: And and not and and not that any but I don't think anybody who has these concerns at least not in this way
53:34: Once did I go around to everyone and say, you know? Hey, you're not a Christian because you like to do this or you like to do that or hey you need to follow these rules and I don't think
53:43: I don't think anybody who is looking at this with a What the biblical worldviews is coming out in that direction
53:49: I think it's really this is what scripture says and this is what God says honors him and doesn't honor him and I'm concerned because you seem to Be enjoying things that dishonor him specifically,
54:01: I mean, I want to know how you can do that How does that work? How do you say you believe this and you love him, but you love what he hates?
54:10: Yeah, that's a that's a good point as a matter of fact that reminds me Joseph, did you by any chance see that guy that?
54:19: called out Len Pettus This this last week for I guess
54:28: Len had put up something about how he saw the Wolverine movie and he sort of praised it
54:33: But that he wouldn't recommend it. Did you catch any of that? Yeah, is that his name let me look at it
54:43: So Lin Lin got called out this week, or was it this week? I Love Lin, but I think this was pretty hilarious sinful content and bloody blasphemous pornographic media
54:57: Entertainment. I doubt you will ever see this debate and then See that they tagged a picture where Lin said then get busy with the law with your log, sir and Greg Smith replied
55:14: Len Pettus How would you like to debate me on this Lin anytime anyplace?
55:19: I will bury you in the name of Jesus right in front of everybody I dare you bring a friend bring ten.
55:27: I'll bury them, too This is funny, this is this is funny
55:34: Len. I'm sorry. This is funny. Um that That this happened
55:41: And I don't think like okay look so if somebody's gonna call you out for something like this
55:47: I mean we're talking about the Disney thing if somebody's gonna call you out on something like this then If you're gonna say like that the other person has a log in their eye and and obviously
55:57: I can't see the the whole The whole thing because it's just a screenshot But if you're gonna say that somebody has a log in their eye
56:04: You actually have to I think identify what that log is And I see a lot of Christians sort of use this passage of Scripture They just rip it out of context and so if somebody's saying hey, this is wrong
56:18: You shouldn't be doing this then it's like we'll take the log out of your eye, sir Or you know you have a log in your eye, and it's like okay
56:24: What's the log in my eye that that means that I'm basically being hypocritical right now.
56:29: I'm being a hypocrite so what is the log in my eye that I should take out that you're seeing and Then I'll take it out, and then
56:38: I'll come back to you, and we'll have the same conversation I'll come back to you, so That's what's really funny.
56:45: It's like okay, so Like let's say I do have a log in my eye Well, okay, then
56:51: I'm just gonna go away I'm gonna take the log out of my eye And then I can come back to you and we can have the same conversation about what you're doing
56:57: I'm the fact that it's actually wrong, but first you actually have to Point out that I have a log in my eyes, so I don't know
57:07: You're telling somebody they're sinning and you can't actually do that without evidence otherwise you're sinning by slandering them
57:14: Right right yeah You know I gotta say like with this like I haven't seen the movie or the
57:22: Wolverine movie but just based off of what Greg Smith is saying I Think I'm probably not gonna see it, and I I don't know
57:30: I'm reading through this I think that's hilarious the I'll bury you bring a friend bring ten. I'll bury them
57:37: Man that's so funny. Uh let me see let me let me If you think back to about how like Luther wrote to some of his opponents that seems pretty tame
57:48: Yeah, yeah, so okay, so he was challenging him to to debate right you read through through everything tell me about that They're gonna be a debate.
57:57: That's gonna take place Well, no well so funny thing was and he points it out in the thread That there was a poll that was up Sit I think
58:06: Jeff Maples maybe put it up and and it said You know who wants to see this debate happen, and you had 15 people and I'll admit
58:15: I was one of the people that type yes I Would said I said they wanted to see it and then all of a sudden the poll is gone
58:22: And so any points that out, and it says you know let the conclusions whatever you want to come to them So you know maybe
58:27: Jeff pulled it because he thought it was a bad idea to have posted it or maybe somebody else But who knows we can't we can't assume
58:33: But But I think that at that point. It's a it's I Don't know it's it's out there.
58:40: It's open And I think it's actually a topic worthy of discussing and it just seems like it's really uncomfortable for one side the other person
58:46: Has scripture on their side so? Yeah, so it was at least 15 to 1 yeah, okay?
58:54: I see that now and I'm trying to see what was what did Len say say to this?
59:00: Was last warning stop trolling so I guess
59:05: Calling somebody out is trolling. I didn't honestly. I didn't seem like there was anything that was specific
59:11: Well usually what we call trolling Is somebody just picking like an awkward topic to start a fight?
59:19: like like a really good example and in the Bible to be mean that Like the group is probably
59:26: Bruce Zillow That would be what I would think of as trolling everything turning into you need to know that you need to know that you're
59:33: Saved because you were baptized So and and his confessional
59:39: Lutheran Things like that's like he always interject it doesn't matter what the conversations about he's always interjecting those things and then turns into that argument
59:48: That's trolling this seems to be like it is a very very poignant and direct What's it called um
59:57: Confrontation might not be the right word, but um but a challenge there we go and And so it's not
01:00:03: I can't I can't that doesn't make any sense It seems like just being defensive and not willing to deal with it.
01:00:10: Yeah Yeah, I'm seeing that under one of these comments. I mean there's like 57 comments and It doesn't look like Lynn was really taking it too.
01:00:20: Well, but hey, I'm for this debate taking place Greg Smith, I think
01:00:26: I'm I'm with you on not seeing the movie, but I wanted to make an appeal to Christians to to not
01:00:33: Pay money to go see this crap the the verse that I always go back to in Romans chapter 12 verse 1
01:00:45: Through 2 it says I appeal to you therefore brothers By the mercies of God to present your bodies as a living sacrifice holy and acceptable to God Which is your spiritual worship?
01:00:58: Do not be conformed to this world But be transformed by the renewal of your mind that by testing you may discern.
01:01:06: What is the good? What is the will of God? What is good and acceptable and perfect?
01:01:13: So there's so much in that verse to unpack And don't be conformed to this world
01:01:20: How are you transformed by the renewing of your mind? It's it's through the Word of God you have in part the mind of Christ in the scriptures and by by testing these things with scripture you you can discern what is the will of God and I I just I don't believe that Christians should
01:01:43: I don't I don't believe that that Christians should Allow their kids to see this. I Think that there is harm that it would desensitize their kids to to the things that God hates that God wants us to not partake in and I don't think that Christian adults should see this movie
01:02:04: And I know that a lot of a lot of us we grew up in the 80s and 90s my generation, so you know, it's it's
01:02:14: These are the movies that we grew up in grew up with but there's there's an agenda there's there's a movement to to reshape the culture to reshape the culture and and to sweep away the church
01:02:31: Of course, we know that that's not going to happen We know that that Jesus has established his church and the gates of hell will not prevail against it
01:02:40: What's what's so interesting about that verse is that The church in the content and what
01:02:47: Jesus is saying is that the church is the one that is is on the march The church is the one that is on the move the gates of hell will not prevail against it
01:02:56: So that the church is going to burst through the gates of hell. We are the antagonists in that statement
01:03:02: We are we are the ones who are who are marching out to To meet the culture to meet the strongholds that Satan has erected to to reach people for the gospel and I believe that this is an this is an opportunity to reach people for the gospel to to tell them why
01:03:20: God doesn't God Doesn't approve of these things and to give them the hope that is in Jesus Christ and in him alone
01:03:29: I'm not wanting to condemn anybody for for seeing this movie I think that Christians can can make mistakes that they can that they can error that they can be undiscerning.
01:03:40: I really wish that pastors would talk about these things a little bit more and and I see that there's there's there's often a silence from the pulpit regarding some of these things and I I mean
01:03:55: If you have pastors come out and say Don't see this movie. It's it's garbage
01:04:01: The the people that go to that church a lot of them are going to to really
01:04:09: Run with that. They're good. They're gonna hear that and say, okay. Well my pastor says not to And everybody's making a big deal about the shack.
01:04:16: I don't even want to talk about the shack. I think the shack is I Don't even I have no
01:04:24: Desire to talk about that. I think that movie is crap. I If you're a
01:04:29: Christian theology gals had that one covered, yeah. Yeah, they they took that one up so good for them.
01:04:36: I Don't want to see it. I I it's almost it's almost Joseph. It's almost as if it's like You should know that this is horrible.
01:04:46: You should know that this is garbage. Why do I like you should be discerning enough to realize that you shouldn't go see this and and so The I mean, that's why
01:05:00: The word here's here's part of the problem is the word church Means that those who are called out right? And so you're not gonna be able to tell what's what's going on Even if you if you're not actually called out
01:05:11: You're you're not gonna have any spiritual discernment because you're not gonna be spiritual person And so so that that explains a lot of it.
01:05:19: Not all of it, but a lot of it That the other part of it is, you know people I Just go back to maybe maybe this is a personal thing.
01:05:30: I go back to my to my when I when I came to faith I and I cried out to God I realized immediately that if I I'm gonna ask anything from him.
01:05:40: I didn't know what he wants from me and nobody wants to know what God wants from them and My concern there is just that like it really is
01:05:48: It really just blows my mind that we're having these kinds of conversations about things about people who profess to be
01:05:53: Christians This is something that you know, obviously wouldn't happen in The time of the
01:06:01: Puritans. I think I think they would have beaten you Right. Yeah. Yeah, exactly and you look at how far we've come where now it's it's and I The reason that I mean
01:06:16: I shared the story with my wife is Or shared with with our listeners the story
01:06:23: About my wife and I is because At the end of it
01:06:28: I was just thinking why are we even Why are we even having this conversation? This is so this is so black and white.
01:06:36: This is so obvious and We're you know, we're tempted to I think compromise in so many ways and and so I I would just encourage people to to keep
01:06:50: Reforming in the light of God's Word to go back to God's Word and see what what these things say
01:06:56: I believe that if Christians really did operate out of a conviction in the light of God's Word that that we really could
01:07:07: That we really could see an effect in in the culture and and more specifically within the church
01:07:14: So really quick, there's two things I want to I want to say just just at least in a way of plea
01:07:22: We not on your own understanding You you said it when when you were
01:07:31: I'm gonna go it's the scripture if you can't make an argument and based on the whole of scripture not just the the verse that that makes you feel better about what you're doing the whole of scripture and Taking it into account then you should you shouldn't be arguing anything
01:07:47: The No, no, no the scripture and trust God that he knows what's right and stop
01:07:54: Dialoguing about this as if we can think through the solution to this apart from God Amen.
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