"Pastor" LIES to His Church to Cover Up SIN! | Pastor Reacts

The Claim That Premarital Sex Is Not Sin

I've done videos on all kinds of people saying lots of crazy stuff, but I've never heard someone go this far off the rails before. Not until this guy. Right here is the takeaway of his entire presentation, and this is what he wants us all to believe.

Premarital bedroom activity is just fine, guys. Let's all jump into bed together because God's got no problem with it.

Teaching Christians that sex before or outside of marriage is a sin may be tradition. It may be something that's been passed down from generation to generation. It may be something that you learned from an esteemed Bible preacher or teacher, but it is not something supported by the word of God.

There is no biblical basis for that teaching. I know this comes as a shock to many of you. It may sound sacrilegious to others, but I am obligated as a preacher of the word of God to preach the truth of the Bible and not to further myths, superstitions, and lies.

This man is obligated to speak the truth, but instead he's offering people hell in the name of holiness. So what does the Bible say about this and what specifically is wrong with his argument? We're going to hit this one hard, ladies and gentlemen, so let's get right into it.

The Word Porneia and the Meaning of Fornication

Welcome back to Wise Disciple. My name is Nate, and I'm helping you become the effective Christian that you are meant.

To be.

Before I did this ministry full time, I was a pastor and a debate teacher, and it's from this unique intersection that I make these kinds of videos. Make sure to like, sub, and share this one around because this guy's lies need to be stopped.

Amen.

Here's what I know. When the church ignores or fails to address things properly, it creates a void and a vacuum for Satan to step in and to distort what God meant for good and use it for evil.

That's ironic.

Right?

I'm going to let that one sink in for a moment.

The one word that is responsible for all of this confusion is the word fornication. Can the church say fornication? Every teaching about sex in the church begins and ends with some preacher, teacher, or Bible commentator building their teaching upon the meaning of this one word.

False.

Incorrect. See, already you know you're off on the wrong foot because the sweeping generalizations cloud the issue and create this foundation for what the man wants to say here, which is thoroughly unbiblical.

By the way, I wanted to start the video here because I want to point out the logical fallacies that are laced throughout this man's speech, the errors that he's making in order to get to the incredible claim that he made at the outset, right?

I'm sure that he would want to call this a sermon that he's preaching on stage. It's nothing of the kind. This is a TED talk on how to feel good about sinning. The fact is churches and pastors do talk about what happens in the bedroom because the Bible talks about it.

Guess where the Bible starts talking about what happens in the bedroom?

Genesis.

Oh no, Nate, this man says. Pastors begin and end their talks about it around the idea of.

Fornication.

Incorrect.

He's either lying or he doesn't know what he's talking about, which is, I mean, it's interesting because it says that he has a PhD.

What it means and what it means in our modern day English. But what have we said and what have we learned in this series? That just because you see a word in English, you cannot assume that it means in the text what it means today.

Are y 'all in here today? Remember when it came to divorce, I said that just because you see the English word divorce, you cannot assume that it means in the text what it means today.

Oh, okay, great. So he's also reteaching with the biblical concept of divorces, guys. So it's not just fornication. Nobody understands what divorce is either. For centuries, nobody's understood this except for him, right?

Got it.

And half of y 'all came up on stage at the end of that sermon because you got freed and delivered from the teaching. We'll see what happens at the end of today's message. Well, the same is the case with the word fornication.

So here's the first point of this sermon, and I want you to get this because it's a bombshell. Tell your neighbor, wake up. This is a bombshell. The Greek word fornication in the Bible does not refer to premarital sex.

Uh-huh.

See, when the apostle Paul says, flee fornication in 1 Corinthians chapter 6, he is not saying flee sex outside of marriage. The word translated fornication in the Bible is the Greek word pornea. It appears about 24 times in the New Testament and the root of the root word for the word pornea is the Greek word pornos, which means a harlot or a prostitute.

Y 'all following me?

Already wrong. You know what I mean? Like already incorrect. He said the root word for pornea is pornos, and it always means prostitute.

False.

You see, what this man does not want is his church to like fact check him. Like, you know what I mean? He doesn't want his church to read the Bible. I mean, that's clear to me, and it's interesting because he wants to start at 1 Corinthians chapter 6, but if you just turn the page back to 1 Corinthians chapter 5 and you try to limit the word pornos to prostitutes only, well then the language falls apart completely.

Watch this. He says, I wrote to you in my letter not to associate with bedroom immoral people. You know what I'm doing here? Not at all meaning the bedroom immoral of this world or the greedy and the swindlers or the idolaters since you would need to go out of the world, right?

So think about what Paul is saying here. I wrote to you in my letter not to associate with pornoi, right? It's the plural of pornos there. Not at all meaning the pornoi of this world, which by the way, so to associate here, look at that in verse 9, it means to mix closely.

You know what I mean?

Like, so this is like close fellowship. I mean, that's what Paul is concerned about in the church. It's this idea of being close together with folks who are pornoi, right? Well, that's interesting. So if this man is correct on stage and pornoi means prostitutes, then Paul is apparently trying to fix a rampant problem of Christian prostitutes within the Corinthian church.

Too many of the Corinthian Christians have decided to mix closely and fellowship with prostitutes who have somehow made their way into the church and they're apparently making themselves known as prostitutes.

So Paul says, don't associate with these Christian prostitutes. But then look at that. He also says, well, go ahead and mix yourselves closely with the prostitutes of the world, though, because that's totally fine.

I just don't want you to mix closely with prostitutes when they claim to be Christian. But if they're up front about their prostitution, go ahead and fellowship with them.

Huh?

Again, I mean, this just makes absolutely no sense. So I mean, like, think about it this way, too, like in what I mean, like, what do you have to do to bend backwards into exegetical pretzels just to get to what this man on stage wants to claim?

In Greco-Roman culture. And think about this. So Corinth was a blend of both Greek and Roman influence, you know, initially established as a Greek city taken over by the Romans later.

Right.

And so you have both of these influences there at the time that Paul is writing. In this particular culture, prostitution was highly stigmatized. You know, you can take a look, by the way, at like the writings of Seneca or Juvenal,.

Right.

Who wrote about this kind of a thing, disguises and secrecy were necessary for prostitutes to avoid disgrace. And by the way, that's in pagan culture. In the Jewish culture, which you got to think for a moment, the early church emerged out of the Jewish culture.

Prostitution was even more stigmatized than in the pagan world. So whoever would perform these acts of prostitution, they would do so in secret.

Right.

There's there's stories of this. So if you go to Genesis chapter 38, I mean, this is clear. The story of Tamar in Genesis 38, it's a perfect example of this. She's trying to get pregnant. You remember this?

So what does she do? She puts a veil over her face and pretends to be a prostitute. Now think about this. If pornos means prostitutes, then Paul is somehow he's attributing some kind of magical powers to Christians who can just automatically identify all the secret prostitutes in their area so that they can go fellowship and break bread with them.

Come on, guys. This is ridiculous. And this man is trying to do some exegetical backflips so that he can excuse in context.

Paul’s Teaching in 1 Corinthians 6–7 and the One-Flesh Meaning of Marriage

Of verse 18 begins in verse 13 of First Corinthians, chapter six, where Paul says the body is not meant for fornication, but for the Lord and the Lord for the body. Do you not know that your bodies are members of Christ?

Should I therefore take the members of Christ and make them members of a prostitute? Do you not know that whatever is united to a prostitute becomes one body with her? Then Paul says in verse 18 to flee fornication.

So the entire context of verse 18 church is about fleeing prostitution.

Swing and a miss again. So a couple of things here.

Okay.

By the way, look at the verse for reference. First Corinthians, chapter six, verse 13. The body is not meant for bedroom immorality, but for the Lord and the Lord for the body. Now, let me stop right here.

Okay.

Again, this makes no sense. If Paul is talking about prostitution, why? Well, because that means that Paul is saying that the human body is not meant to go to bed for money. That's the qualification for money.

But it somehow is meant to go to bed with lots of people outside of marriage guys, because that's totally fine. Do you see what I mean? Like what's, what's the difference really? What is, what would be the meaningful distinction between having multiple partners and getting paid for it and having multiple partners and not getting paid for it?

You see how none of this makes any sense. What Paul is saying is here, your body is meant for one person, your spouse. How do I know that? Well, because Paul literally says this, watch this verse 16, or do you not know that he who is joined to a prostitute becomes one body with her for as it is written, the two will become one flesh.

Wait a second. Where is Paul quoting from right there at the very end? He's quoting from Genesis chapter two, verse 24. Guess what Genesis chapter two, verse 24 is about.

Yep.

You guessed it.

Marriage.

Therefore, a man shall leave his father and his mother and hold fast to his wife and they shall become one flesh. So in other words, Paul is saying, do not violate your bodies with anybody who is not.

Your spouse, period.

You were designed by God and it's given to us like right in the creation account to give your body to one person for life. In the same way you were designed by God to give yourself to only one God, the God of all creation.

So you see the parallel, like marriage, this is why I say marriage speaks theology, right? Anything outside of this dynamic in marriage is porneia. That's why Paul contrasts marriage to porneia. And, and prostitution is certainly one form of porneia, but there are other forms that fit into the broader category of stepping outside the bounds of marriage in the bedroom.

You know, and you know this by being a careful reader of scripture, but this man doesn't want you to read the scripture. He certainly doesn't want you to be careful when you read the scripture to slow down and chew on what it's actually saying, because he just wants to tell you lies that come straight from the pit of hell.

Let's, let's be real about this. That's exactly what's happening here.

Not fleeing. Premarital sex, fornication came to mean things like sexual immorality, sex before marriage. It came to be associated with things like infidelity or unchastity in the English language over a thousand years after the New Testament was written.

And I'll explain later why that happened.

That's another lie. That's another, he's lying again. You know, golly, the, the category of porneia is bigger than mere prostitution. How do we know that? Because Paul describes an example of porneia.

This isn't just in this one place, but I'm just bringing this up now. He describes an example as being incestual activity. Look at this. First Corinthians five, verse one, it is actually reported that there is porneia among you and of a kind that is not tolerated even among pagans for a man has his father's wife.

Did you catch that? There's kinds of porneia.

Why?

Because the category is very broad as it turns out. Now, is Paul talking about prostitution here only?

No, but in the Bible, somebody say in the Bible, come on, say it again.

In the Bible, in the new Testament, somebody say false teacher. Somebody say, read your Bible.

In the first century, fornication did not mean that. So in Matthew chapter five, verses 31 and 32, when Jesus gives the grounds upon which a man can discard or throw away his wife, the word in verse 32 is porneia, which means he is saying that the only reason that a man can throw his wife out like that is if she has prostituted herself.

Come on, I need to get this in the dirt today, church, not because she has been unfaithful as some translations say. In other words, Jesus is saying if she has not prostituted herself, otherwise you ought to get a lawful Jewish divorce.

The body, think about all of the scriptures that mislead people about what's happening in the text. Many modern translations of first Corinthians chapter six, verse 13, say things like this in the RSV.

The body is not meant for sexual immorality, but for the Lord.

Amen.

Even in the midst of utter nonsense, the correct reading of scripture comes through.

Amen.

That is correct.

Or the living Bible translation that says this, another problematic translation, but sexual sin is never right. These translations give...

Yeah, that's a problematic translation, guys.

...readers the impression that the text is saying that sex before or outside of marriage is wrong, but the Bible is not saying that. It is critiquing prostitution, the immoral and unjust sexual and economic exploitation of poor people, slaves, women, and young males who are oftentimes forced into prostitution in the first century.

Have I lost y 'all still with me today?

Yeah, you lost me. At hello.

Right?

Has he lost you too? Oh, this, this, this gets under my skin, ladies and gentlemen. We don't need to see too much more of this, okay? But just in case you're still unclear about porneia, look at what Paul says just a few verses later, because this guy wants to camp out in first Corinthians six.

What I'm doing is I'm showing you what's going on around first Corinthians six to prove to you that this man is completely off base. First Corinthians seven in the first verse, watch this now concerning the matters about what you wrote, it is good for a man not to have bedroom relations with a woman.

So again, you have to think Paul's dealing with these claims that are coming from the Corinthians and he wants to address them. So he's quoting what they're saying to him, right? It's good for a man not to have a bedroom relations.

This is what Paul says, but because of the temptation to porneia, each man should have his own wife and each woman, her own husband. Hmm. Now think about that. And unfortunately, that's what is probably missing from a lot of churches.

Probably what's missing from this man's church. That's why this man can get away with, uh, the kind of garbage that he's trying to further right now on stage. It's because folks largely do not slow down and really chew on what they're reading in God's word.

If they're reading it at all, right? But think about this. Why would Paul offer marriage as the solution to the problem of the temptation towards porneia if people can already get into bed with all kinds of people outside of marriage?

Huh?

Why wouldn't Paul just tell them, go jump into bed with whoever you want? You see how you have to lobotomize your brain in order to go along with what this man is trying to claim.

Every time the word porneia translated fornication is used in the New Testament, it is talking about prostitution. It is not talking about or condemning consensual sexual relations. I told y 'all this the first time you have ever heard this priest in a church.

Therefore, therefore.

Yeah. Yeah.

It's first time. Cause it's a lie. The first time you ever heard this, you know, it's amazing to me that he can get up there with a straight face and say, y 'all ain't never heard this before. And not stop and think, wait a second, oops.

I'm out on a limb here all by myself.

The Bible’s Teaching on Sex, Marriage, and Holy Living

Teaching Christians that sex before outside of marriage is a sin, maybe tradition. It may be something that's been passed down from generation to generation. It may be something that you learned from an esteemed Bible preacher or teacher, but it is not something supported by the word of God.

There is no biblical basis for that teaching. I know this comes as a shock to many of you. It may sound sacrilegious to others, but I am obligated as a preacher of the word of God to preach the truth of the Bible and not to further miss superstitions and lies.

Jesus said, and you shall know the truth and the truth shall set you free. So all of these Christian podcasts and Christian social media influencers and charismatic preachers telling people that saved that, that having sex before or outside of marriage based upon the word of God, they are wrong.

They may be sincere, but you can be sincerely wrong. The Bible does not make celibacy a sign of your holiness.

This man has a lot to answer for, and teachers will be judged with greater judgment. I'd say everyone at this man's church should flee immediately. If you're watching and you attend this man's church, Mount Annan Baptist church, wherever that is, flee immediately.

Don't look back lest you turn into a pillar of salt. You know what I'm saying?

Church Drift, False Teaching, and a Final Call to Repentance

All right.

I think we've seen enough. Come on. Look, uh, let me say this. So originally I was going to do a longer video is going to be like a full sermon review. You know what I mean? And this is how we do it, right?

I walk through the three questions that people should be thinking about as the pastor gets up to preach, right? What does the Bible say? What does the Bible mean? And how can we all live by it? Have you heard me do this before?

I was going to do this with this video, but as soon as I started playing it, it just became immediately obvious to me. This man is not preaching God's word at all. He's not even attempting to. This was, what was this?

This was a persuasive speech designed to convince people that sin is holy. The bedroom immorality is acceptable in the eyes of God. And this man, he's going to have to answer to the Lord for that.

All right.

Let's pray for him. Let's pray for his church because I can, I can promise you that people have already left the church, you know? And I don't mean today or last week I'm talking about a while ago.

Right.

And you know what I mean? Like this always happens the same way, or it typically tends to track along the same lines.

Right.

Churches, they will largely start out theologically accurate. Like when they're initially established. And then what happens is over time, they lose their way, right? The original pastor leaves or goes to heaven.

And then over time, the church just starts to lose its way. This is what Paul meant when he told Timothy guard, the treasure that has been entrusted.

To you, right?

It's because wolves come into the fold and they seek to devour the sheep instead of feed.

Them.

You know what I mean? I promise you that's what happened at this church. I don't know what the history of the church is, but you can look it up, you know? And I'm sure over time, the right people have decided to leave because they love God and they love his word and they have eyes and they can read, you know what I mean?

So let's pray more leave, right? Let's pray this pastor repents of his false teaching, you know, and that God deals with him appropriately.

All right.

That's enough out of me. I'm getting upset. Now it's your turn.

Okay.

What did you think of this pastor's sermon? Is there anything like redeemable here or was this as aggravating for you as it was.

For me?

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