May 21, 2026 Show with Pavel Steiger on “My Glory I Will Not Give to Another”

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I am honored with the privilege today of having a first -time guest.

His name is Pavel Steiger, who is an author, a radio missionary, translator, publisher, and conference speaker in the

Czech Republic. And today, he is going to be addressing the theme of his book,

My Glory I Will Not Give to Another, and the subtitle of this is

A Study in the Absolute Sovereignty of God. And it's my honor and privilege to welcome you for the very first time ever to Iron Sharpens Iron Radio, Pavel Steiger.

Yeah, hello. Thank you, Chris, having me on your show. And well, where to start?

Well, I am from Czechoslovakia, Czech Republic originally.

And maybe I should introduce myself a little bit, who I am, how

I became a Christian and so on. So I was born in 1941, and my background was

Catholic, so I used to be an altar boy. But in 1952, because my father exploited five employees in his little shop, so we were chased out and expelled out of Prague.

And he actually ended up in coal mines in Ostrava. So it was quite a bad situation for us.

And since I was in Ostrava, so I was studying the geological engineering.

And that's about it, about my education. I have no class,

I have no education, I mean, as far as the theology goes. And in 1968, there was the

Russian occupation in Czechoslovakia. And because it's probably not the best to stay there, because there used to be, you know, the saying that we should go forever with the

Soviet Union, but I didn't want to go forever, I mean, with them. So we actually left in 1969,

I was 28 years old. I left Czechoslovakia with my wife and two boys.

And the two boys were just one and two years old, so they were quite small. And so when we came to the

United States, I must say, you know, it was actually very interesting. I was very scared, you know, because I thought, you know, this is a huge, big country.

And, you know, who I am, who can actually start, I mean, life with two kids in America.

So when we arrived, it was actually then by God's providence, even though I was an atheist,

I didn't believe in God absolutely at all, I mean, in those years. So we ended up in Idaho, in northern

Idaho, in Osborne, Idaho, and I actually got the job over there because I was from Czechoslovakia and there was an engineer, a very well -known, he was from Czechoslovakia too, he was very, very liked.

And that's why I was hired over there. It was quite an experience.

And I just want to tell you one little thing, which I really appreciated, what happened to us in the

United States. When we arrived to this small town near Wallace, Idaho, people just took care of us.

The Lions Club took care of us. Within a week, we had that apartment. It was fully furnished.

It was absolutely great. I think it was something. And then what happened, the pastors, it was a small town, about three, four thousand people, and about five, six or seven churches.

And the pastors were coming to our home and just telling us, you know, about the

Lord and so on. But we were very, we somehow didn't want to hear about it.

But what caught me, there was the Baptist, the Baptist pastor, and he adopted two children of American Vietnamese, this ten.

Because, you know, there were some, in Vietnam, there were some American children after that, soldiers.

So they actually were, it was really something which caught my attention.

So I was there, and then I was transferred to Los Angeles. And in Los Angeles, I was working for Atlantic Oil Shield Company.

Some people will know the oil company, which is still in the West, especially the stations.

And then, then actually, I started when I was in Los Angeles, I was closing like 30 years or 32 years of age, and I started living, this is from weekend to weekend,

I would say. We just, I just worked for five days and I was looking for the weekend and, and, and we were good, good, good group,

I mean, with the other, other Czech people. And, and it was quite, quite strange to me.

I was saying why I am actually living like this, you know, from, for these weekends.

And, and I was actually in those days, I would say that up to when I was 33,

I was immortal. But after I was 33, then I started thinking, you know, what

I, what is the life about? Why I'm actually here? What's, what's going on? So, so I was just thinking, you know, that how come that the life is that I was not before I was born, now

I am, and then I will not be, which means nothing, something, nothing. So if some life is,

I mean, just hanging in, in between two nothingnesses, then, and I said, what is the, what is the reason actually for, for living?

It doesn't matter. If I am, I will not be, then it doesn't matter if I'm rich or poor, or if I am there, or if I am bold, or if I'm healthy, or if I am sick or, or all those things, you know, so it was, it was quite, quite strange to me.

So I was, I was actually looking, I mean,

I was smiling on the outside when we were getting together on the weekends with our friends.

But I was kind of stressed and, and crying on the, on the inside.

And nobody, nobody noticed that on me. Not even my wife probably didn't notice that.

So then, then I was trying to look, you know, what is the, how to get outside of it.

I was looking at astrology. It didn't, didn't help. Then I was starting to read the books.

Probably you will may know Eric von Däniken. And there was the outer space civilization that actually we were planted on this, on this earth by, by outer civilization.

And then I had the problem if we were made, you know, or planted here by the green man who actually, who actually made the green man.

So it, it, again, did not help me. Absolutely not at all. So, so then, then

I was looking at literature, reading and so on. And when I was 37 years old, it was in 1978,

I visited a secondhand bookshop in Los Angeles at the lunchtime.

And you know, this literature, I mean, the outer space civilization and other, other things like astrology and so on was just the next to the spiritual literature.

And then, then I took, I just, I don't know how my hand went and I just pulled out from the shelf a book and the book was called, and I think many listeners now, especially the older ones will remember it, the book was called

The Late Great Planet Earth by Hal Lindsey. And, and I opened the book and when

I opened the book, then, then I read the line that the Russians will attack

Israel. And it was the point I immediately, I immediately picked up the book.

I paid the full 99 cents for it. And, and it occupied my, it occupied my mind because I was, you know, the

Russians or the Soviet Union occupied Czechoslovakia. And now I said, those rascals,

I used much harsher words than, of course, their dear words. And I said, well, they will, they are now going to occupy

Israel. So I, I started reading this, this book and surely there was the eschatology,

I am not in line with it right now, not at all. But, but there was gospel, there was the telling me that at the end of the book that I'm a sinner and that I need, and I need,

I need a savior, a personal savior. So it really was, it really was very interesting for me.

I, then I started reading another book. So I was reading so many books and I didn't want anybody, anybody who would help me in my, in my belief, because I was just saying to myself, when

I grow crazy and I do not need outside help for it, so, so I am fully capable of doing it on my own and, and that, that's, that's about it.

So then, then my, my wife, you know, when, when I, when I, when she discovered, you know, then she, oh boy, there are wives, you know, they have drunkards, they have the womanizers, they have some, some men who are husbands who are not taking care of the family.

So she just said, oh, I have just a crazy man. So that's basically how it started.

And, and again, I was trying to, to avoid believers, really.

I was just reading the books and probably that's why, you know, I started, I was, I was writing books or articles and started a magazine.

And then, then, then, then when in my, in my work in Atlantic Ritual Company, there was a draftsman and he told me, because he knew that I was in this stage of, of believing and I, I, I was believing, you know,

I was quite, it just caught me. I even, I was, I was so fired that I, I just burned some books, you know,

I had behind, I just didn't want to have it even at home. So, so then, then the draftsman in, in ARCO, he directed me to Grace Community Church to where John McArthur was preaching.

And again, so when we went to the church, it was quite, quite amazing, quite interesting because there were so many people and, and when, when we walked in, you know, they were just embrace me, brother, and I didn't want to be embraced.

I just wanted to sit down and I just wanted to hear the gospel. Then there was music. I didn't want to hear the music because it was just, just postponing the, the preaching, which, which

I just wanted to, I wanted to, to listen to.

So then in those, in that time, because I did not, I didn't hear anything like that before, and of course

I knew something of Catholicism, but nobody ever told me you are a sinner, you need a, you need a, you need a stable, the

Lord loves you. And so nothing like that. I didn't, I just thought in those days, you know, that if there is a

God, so he will be good to the good people. He will be bad to the bad people. He will send them to hell, something like that.

You know, it was, so then I thought, you know, that I am probably the only

Czech in the world who heard the gospel and then that it, that it just pushed me and urged me to write a book.

So I write, I wrote a book, which was called The Battle for the Soul. And then it was of course in Czech and in the, and then, and I actually sold my beloved

Volkswagen. I just said, you know, it has to be published. I just said my beloved Volkswagen and accepted the

Czech for the Volkswagen. You know, it was, it was enough to pay the printer. And then we were just trying to send it around the

United States. It couldn't be able, it couldn't be mailed to the Czechoslovakia then because it was a communist, it was a communist country.

But, but when we returned to Czechoslovakia as full -time missionaries, the radio missionaries, then, then the book was again published in Czech Republic and it was quite popular and many people actually were introduced to the gospel and they, they believed.

In 1985, when I, when I published the book in, in America, we, I was translated to Jakarta, to Indonesia.

So we spent four years in Indonesia. And, and since half of the people in that Baptist church spoke, you know,

English, just like me, you know, the funny and proper English. So I got the courage to teach

Sunday school. And that's, that's where I actually started working.

I mean, except that book, I started really working on, on, on my, on, on my kind of missionary, missionary work.

And when, then, when we were in, in Jakarta, I started, started recording programs in Czech.

They were 20 minutes long. It was once a week I wrote, you know, some, some, some subject or, or some kind of preaching or interesting things.

And I recorded it in Jakarta in a Christian studio.

And those tapes then, they were mailed to Monte Carlo and in Monte Carlo, there was

Transworld radio and Transworld radio broadcasted these 20 minutes programs weekly to Czechoslovakia, which was still communist then.

So I was always calling myself the Pavel from Jakarta. And of course the listeners,

I mean, the Christian listeners in Czechoslovakia, they absolutely didn't know who is it, who actually is that, that Pavel of Jakarta and, and so on.

So pretty soon we were starting getting some letters from Czechoslovakia and people wanted transcripts from those programs.

So what I did, we started with my, with my wife,

Clara, we started a, or founded a magazine and the magazine is called after my first book,

The Battle for the Soul. And it was such a small, it was only four pages.

It was written just on typewriter. First ones, then came the computers. So it was getting better and better.

I mean, looking, I mean, on the outside and, and we absolutely couldn't believe it is still published in, in Czech Republic right now.

It is published not by us because we are already seniors and that we wouldn't have the strength probably and time, you know, to do it.

And it's actually published here for 37 years. I just couldn't believe

I, it would never, it would never come to my, or came to my mind that it would be for such a long time.

And it's a, it's a quite popular magazine. It's about 3000 circulations, which is a lot.

The Czechoslovakia has about, or Czech Republic has about how many, maybe 10 million people.

And we don't have too many Christians over here that, I mean, especially the

Protestant or the Bible -believing, Bible -believing Christians.

So that's how we published it. So in 1990, I quit the job.

I mean, I just quit the corporate world and joined

HCJB World Radio. It was in Quito, Ecuador. So I spent one year with my wife in Quito, Ecuador, and we were broadcasting everything, of course, writing and broadcasting.

Everything was in, in Czech language. And then, then in 1989, it became revolutionary,

I mean, in Czechoslovakia still, and that the communism fell.

And in 1993, we returned back,

I mean, to our native country as a, as full -time, as full -time missionaries.

And, and it was more the publishing, publishing, we were not, actually we started one, we, we planted one church over here, but, but it was just on the side, but, and other people were preaching and I was preaching in that church as well, and actually, the radio actually stopped when all these new technologies on the internet started.

So that's, that's, that's probably all the testimony

I would have. And our missions over here in, in Czechoslovakia and in since 1993 in Czech Republic was mainly publishing that magazine.

Then we were publishing some, some books. And then

I was more or less some, did some speaking in conferences. And when

I was invited to, invited to churches, I spoke.

And then for about four years from time to time, I was, I was speaking in, in the church, we, we visited here in Prague.

So that's basically an introduction. Okay. I wanted to introduce to my guests, someone who is here on standby in case we need a translator for any reason.

Jan Prorok, who is a minister in the

CREC denomination, which is also known as the

Communion of Reformed Evangelical Churches. And he is also in the

Czech Republic. And welcome to the program, Jan, and I really appreciate you taking the time to be of service to us today.

Yeah. Thank you for having me. And, and if you don't mind, tell us how you came to Christ yourself.

If you give us a brief explanation of your salvation testimony and also how you came to discover and befriend our primary guest today,

Pavel Steiger. Okay. I thought

I was just supposed to be the translator, but I'll give you a brief story. Um, I grew up as the average

Czech kid and non -believing family. There's Christianity was something that was basically rejected in our, in our home.

Uh, we never really talked about it. We knew that, you know, Sky Daddy is a crazy idea.

And over time I was, you know, I was bullied as a kid and I was trying to deal with the reality of evil somehow, because I experienced a lot of it.

And I was trying to find a reason why, why is there evil? Why is there suffering? And when

I was 10 or 11, I read the Satanic Bible by Adon Shandra Lavey.

And that kind of became my worldview for the next couple of years. Wow. And not a typical reading for an 11 year old.

Yeah. Right. Um, and so my worldview was, okay, everything that's bad in the world is caused by Christianity, you should be your own god.

You know, you should define your right and your wrong, but it still didn't give me the answers

I was looking for. So I was going deeper and deeper, trying to find answers in the occult and neo -paganism.

And over time I got to what is called Orthodox or theistic Satanism. I came to the conclusion that Satan is actually the one that I want to serve.

I was very open about, about worshiping Satan, about calling Satan my

Lord. And that's what I basically did with my life. And I was basically suicidal since the time

I was 11 or so. And when I was about 19,

I came to a point where I wanted to kill myself and hopefully take some people with me.

Wow. But then I realized that this is something that Satan wanted me to do, but there was something in me that still wanted to live.

And I realized that I was really enslaved, that over the years

I was acknowledging that I was Satan's slave and I was fine with it.

And then I kind of realized I am Satan's slave and I needs to get out of this.

I don't want to destroy myself. And at that moment I knew that if Satan is so real as I was experiencing him, that the other side, that God was real.

And I knew that the only way out was that Jesus, whom

I'd been blaspheming for the last nearly 10 years. So I prayed,

Lord Jesus, I don't know much about you, but I know you are God. Do whatever you want with me, have me sent to the

Middle East, have some crazy wacko cut my head off, but save me from this. And I underwent a radical change and I realized that I really became a new man.

I was shocked by the change that happened in my life. And I was like, okay, that means I'll have to be a

Christian. And so I picked up the Bible and I started reading what

I actually committed to. I said, okay, Jesus saved me from this. I'll be a Christian. And he helped me, he changed me.

I was like, okay, I need to keep my part of the bargain. I'll need to study what it means to be a

Christian. And by God's grace, pretty soon I started listening to some of the

American teachers, first from the young restless reform circles, but I quickly got to something more substantive and deeper and more historic.

And by God's grace, I've been a Christian for 15, 16 years. And God has been really good to me.

Hallelujah. I would love to have you back on the program to give a deeper and lengthier explanation of your whole life and transformation, because that would be a fascinating interview.

But feel free during this interview with Pavel to ask questions of your own, if you want to chime in from time to time.

And in fact, you failed to include in that, how you came to know Pavel. Yes. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I forgot to include you in the story. Well, at that time I moved to Prague because there was a small theological seminary and I wanted to study there.

So, because I kind of had a similar experience like Pavel, because after a couple of years in the

Czech, very shallow evangelicalism, I was hearing the gospel from these

American preachers. I'm like, I've never heard that before. You know, I've been attending church here, but nobody has told me all of these beautiful, glorious things.

People just don't know. So I went to a seminary with the idea, I'll get theological education there.

And that's what got me to Prague. And then somewhere I heard that there was a new conservative evangelical church starting, and we got, me and my wife, all excited about it.

And that's where we met Pavel, because he was one of the people in the core team that was starting the church.

So that's how we met. Oh, praise God. Well, we are going to go to our first commercial break, and when we come back, we're going to find out more about these wonderful doctrines that have been nicknamed

Calvinism. They have been nicknamed the doctrines of sovereign grace. They have been nicknamed reform theology.

And the guest that we have on today to remind you is Pavel Steiger, and he has included a brilliant, very detailed, and very thorough and comprehensive book,

My Glory I Will Not Give to Another, a study in the absolute sovereignty of God, featuring these doctrines that I have just given you a brief introduction to.

And we're going to be finding out more about how he came to discover these doctrines and fall in love with them and reach the point of compiling them in this wonderful book.

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Welcome back. If you just tuned us in, my guest today on Iron Sharpens Iron radio is

Pavel Steiger, who has written a book, My Glory I Will Not Give to Another.

We also have serving as a co -host today and translator, if need be.

Jan Prorok, a Christian translator in the Czech Republic, who is also a reformed minister of the gospel.

If you have questions, our email address is chrisarnzen at gmail .com. chrisarnzen at gmail .com.

Give us your first name, at least city and state and country of residence. And Pavel, you mentioned that you had been introduced to Grace Community Church of Sun Valley, California, where the late

John MacArthur was the pastor. I'm assuming it was there that you first discovered the doctrines of Sovereign Grace, also known as Reformed Theology and Calvinism.

Was that where you discovered and first heard those teachings? Well, only partly,

I would say. I discovered, I was actually, yes, let's put it this way.

Yes, John MacArthur was clearly Calvinistic, but he never mentioned the word Calvinism.

And I started getting, I mean, more and more knowledge about Calvinism when

I was reading books of R .C. Sproul. That's where I really deeply went into the doctrine.

But probably I would like to say that I was discovering on my own in the

Bible that probably really I was elected, that it was the election of God and not mine.

I was discovering, you know, in the Bible that Christ very likely did not die for everyone.

And I was very scared of this thought, you know, I was actually asking God for, that he was asking me, you know, that he would just, that, well,

I asked God, you know, to, how to say it in English? I don't know if you could help him out,

Jan. Yeah, I asked God, you know, to forgive me,

I mean, for such thoughts, you know, that they were quite, quite, quite, in my mind, you know, they were quite, but then

I started realizing, and when I read the books of R .C.

Sproul, then I was really relieved that it is truly so, because I started thinking this way, election, actually everything is election.

There is nothing which would happen by chance. And the

Lord God, actually, he elected, he just chose this kind of the world.

I was just thinking, you know, my technical thinking, that he could actually create, you know, myriads of worlds, but he just elected this particular world, because I think it would give him the most glory.

So this world was elected by him. Then, of course, he elected humanity.

He actually chose humanity. His counsel was set, and whatever pleased him, he did, he created.

He elected Abraham. He elected Noah. He elected Isaac. We know how it went with Abraham, how it went with Isaac, and he elected

Jacob, not as Esau, and so on. And then I was thinking this way, that how, let's say, that Virgin Mary came to it, to be a mother of the humanity of Jesus Christ.

She didn't ask for it. She was just elected for it.

And then, let's say, if I look at myself or you two guys, then, or brothers, we were elected, too.

We just didn't ask, you know, to be. It was his pleasure that I will be, that you,

Chris, will be, and Jan will be. It was his pleasure. So we were elected or chosen by him to this life, to this body, and he created our soul.

So this was, you know, kind of thinking I had. And then, of course, when

I went to Bible and when I was introduced by R .C.

Sproul, mainly, that it clearly just really, really, really get to me.

And then when I got, you know, to Romans, all those, Romans 9, 15, 16,

I have the quote, I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom

I have compassion. So then it depends not on human will or exertion, but on God who has mercy.

And this was, this is quite a strong statement by our

Lord. And this is actually a quotation of Exodus 33, 19.

And when we go to Exodus 33, let's say, 18, 24, so that's gospel, actually.

That's a proto -gospel, one of the first ones, and not of the first, but one of the first ones.

In 18 verse, Exodus 33, Moses said, please show me your glory.

Moses asked for God's glory. And God said,

I will make all my goodness pass before you, and I will proclaim before you my name.

So, so he was asking for, for goodness, and the

Lord showed him that his, his name is his glory.

And he said, I will be gracious to whom I will be gracious, and I will show mercy on whom

I will show mercy. This is exactly what, what Paul was repeating in, in Romans 9.

And then, then actually it follows, which caught my mind, and maybe somebody may not agree with me, but verse 20 says in Exodus 33, he said, the

Lord said, you cannot see my face for my, for men shall not see me and live.

And the Lord said, behold, there is a place by me where you shall stand on the rock.

There is the place we shall stand on the rock, and the rock is clearly, I believe

Jesus Christ, and he is the rock. And then, and then he says, the

Lord says, and while my glory passes by, and it passes by,

I will put you, he's talking to, to Moses, but I think he's talking to, this is a picture of all believers,

I will put you in a cleft of that rock, and I will cover you with my hand until I have passed by.

If we are put into the cleft of the rock, and then we are actually laid or covered by his hand, so we are completely encapsulated in this rock.

And I, I believe some people may not, but, but I believe that this was

Christ, and this was when his glory was passing by, when he was,

Christ, when he was crucified, then, then all the glory passed.

That's actually the, that's the top of the, of the glory which is passing by, when we were in that cleft, in that rock, when we were encapsulated there, when we were immersed in that, when we were actually baptized in it, then, then, then, then it was the greatest glory we can imagine.

And then he says, then I will take away my hand, and you shall see my back, but my face shall not be seen, which means even, even when we see the greatest glory, we still cannot see that the whole, whole

God, because he's so big, he is without boundaries.

So that's, that's why that's, that's, these verses are so, so precious to me that it was actually,

I'm covered already to, to, to Jews, I mean, long, long time ago.

So that, that's, that's about the election, because he said, I will be gracious to whom

I will be gracious. I will show my grace on whom I will show my, my grace.

And we have a question from a listener that I'd like to read, because I think it'd be wise to ask it early on in the interview to have a further explanation of why you even wrote the book.

We have Lou in Sharpsburg, Georgia, who asks, was a primary motivation for writing your book to do with your interactions with Armenians, provisionists, and others of like persuasion?

Might as well throw in Catholics in there, because they are clearly in opposition to the teachings of Calvinism, and I'm assuming they dominate the

Czech Republic. But if you could answer Lou's question. Yeah, it was the, when we came to Czechoslovakia, the

Czech Republic, we found out that basically, it was unknown, but surely, historically, yes.

But the, the, the Christians, which we met in churches, and we talked to, so they were basically all

Armenians. And, and that's why I started writing this book, just to introduce to them.

First, actually, there were some articles in the magazine, The Battle for the Soul, as I mentioned before.

So there were some, some articles, but from those articles, it grew up into the book.

The book was published in 2017. So it's actually nine years old.

So that's how I started. And it was, it was, it was the reason why

I was prompted to do it. And then another reason was that, that I, I believe that so, so strongly in my heart, because I, that's what

I said, I, I didn't elect my, I didn't make myself, and when I see anything in, around myself, so everything, everything is created by his pleasure, because he wanted to do it.

And it was one of the reasons as well. But still, the second reason was that the people over here in Czech Republic, they just didn't, didn't believe it at large, not at all.

I probably, I don't even recall that I would have met, I would meet anybody who, who, who believed that way.

So it was the, it was the main reason, I would say. It seems that you came to such a firm understanding and belief in the doctrines of sovereign grace, primarily just from reading and studying the scripture.

Years ago, when I worked for a radio station, before I had my own show, a, an

Orthodox Jewish journalist contacted me.

He wanted to buy airtime from me to debate a fundamentalist

Baptist pastor in Brooklyn, New York, where he, the Orthodox Jewish gentleman also lived.

And I did sell him this airtime, and I was home listening to the debate on the radio.

And this Orthodox Jewish man, who considered himself a student of the

New Testament, even though he did not believe in its theology, he was not a

Christian, but he had studied the New Testament and read it dozens of times, he came to the conclusion that all

Christians must believe in the doctrines of sovereign grace. He didn't use that phraseology, but he was obviously defining in his, in his opening statements in the debate, he was, he was defining a

Calvinistic understanding of Christianity that he was going to then proceed to oppose in his debate.

And the pastor said, Ira, you've got it all wrong,

I'm not a Calvinist. And this Orthodox Jewish man said, what's that? And he said, what's what you're explaining?

You're talking about the teachings of Calvinism. And he said, well, I don't know what that word is.

I never heard it before. I'm just saying that your Bible teaches these things. Yeah. So that's what it seems to be in your case as well, that you have gleaned all these truths primarily just from the study of Scripture.

That's Scripture and books, but I'll give you another example. A leader or president of a very well -known and one of the largest

Protestant churches or church, he wrote me that Charles Spurgeon is an excellent preacher, was an excellent preacher, but as of Calvinism, he was wrong.

And this is a large church over here, the

Brethren Church. So it's a pretty big church over here.

So those are the reasons, you know, but, you know, they just came along.

And it also surprises me that you have no formal seminary education, because this is really a brilliant compilation of the primary teachings.

In fact, even going beyond just the core teachings of Calvinism, it even goes into the various lapsarian views, and it's well organized.

It is just an extraordinary book, and my friend Joe Bianchi, the president of Calvary Press Publishing, who brought this into print, he believes it's one of the finest works on Calvinism that he's ever read in his life, and he's read many, and he believes it will be one day a classic.

And let's see, we do have another question here. We have a question from Susan in Newville, Pennsylvania, and Susan says, one of the greatest difficulties

I have when trying to explain these teachings that I also love to other evangelicals who do not like them at all, and in fact hate them, is that they accuse me of believing in a

God who is the author of sin, because he preordains everything that comes to be.

How do you get beyond that accusation when having interaction with Arminians and other non -Calvins?

Pavel, could you answer that? Yeah, I am—can you repeat a little bit the question?

Just to summarize what Susan said, or asked, she wants to know how you overcome the objection of Arminians and other non -Calvinists to the accusation of Calvinists believing

God is the author of sin. Yeah, no,

I don't—I explained it quite in detail in my book, but he is for sure not the author of sin in no way.

He—how to answer this? Oh, you could ask

Jan in Czechoslovakia. You could ask Jan in Czechoslovakia, and perhaps he can articulate it.

Yeah, it is in the book quite well explained.

It's over there, but I am not probably— Well, maybe let me ask

Jan, since you are a Reformed minister, how do you overcome that objection? I would say the objection comes mainly from misunderstanding the very nature of God and His holy character.

That's one. And the other is that I would say reading through any

Reformed confession, be it the Westminster, be it 1689, they go pretty deep into theology of God's sovereignty.

And, you know, God being the primary cause of existence, but not being the cause of sin.

So without trying to give just a canned answer, I would say these are questions that are answered in our confessions, in our catechisms.

And I would say a helpful analogy, and it's just an analogy, but I think it can work well for a layperson, would be imagine

Tolkien. Tolkien wrote The Lord of the Rings. There's plenty of evil that happens in The Lord of the

Rings. Is Tolkien to blame for all the murder, for all the violence, for all the slaughter that the goblins or that Sauron commit?

In no way. You can't bring Tolkien to a judge and say, this man is guilty of murder because look what happens in his book.

So God exists in his perfect infinite holiness on a whole different level of existence than we created beings to.

And this is not understood. Because people tend to think about God as if he is like one of the many beings.

He is like big us. But God exists in a whole different level of being.

And that's one of the primary reasons why he is not ultimately the author of sin or the cause of sin.

The sin is all ours. Just like the ogres or just like all the evil that happens in The Lord of the

Rings is really there, but on a whole different level of existence than Tolkien is.

And this is kind of the illustration that Paul uses in Romans 9. Because we need to realize

Paul uses the image of the potter and the clay.

But still the potter and the clay in Romans 9, they both are created.

The potter is created by God and he works with the clay. But they are still way, way, way, way closer.

And in this way, then God is from us. God is, again, on an infinitely different level of existence.

So Tolkien is closer on the level of his existence, on the level of his ontology, to Samwise Gadji, because Tolkien is a created being and Sam is a secondarily created being.

He is the creation of Tolkien. So they are way closer to each other because they're both created than we are in our existence to the uncreated

God. So that's the analogy, the illustration that I'll use there. And just to put my own two cents in, just so I could see if we could clarify this, there is a classic text that really details

God decreeing something evil to occur in 2

Samuel chapter 12. And it's that chilling group of verses where after King David has not only committed adultery with Bathsheba, but he has her husband

Uriah murdered on the battlefield in order to cover up the fact that Bathsheba is pregnant with David's child, and it would be easily known that the child was not

Uriah since he was refraining from relations with his wife while going about his duty on the battlefield and so on.

And Nathan, the prophet, confronts

David, and God, speaking through Nathan, says, this is what the

Lord says, Behold, I am going to raise up evil against you from your own household.

I will even take your wives before your eyes and give them to your companion, and he will sleep with your wives in broad daylight.

Indeed, you did it secretly, but I will do this thing before all

Israel in an open daylight. So there you have God saying that he is raising up all these evil actions.

But he did not have to make good men evil to conduct these evil acts.

He just used men that were already evil to conduct these evil acts to bring about his will.

Am I making sense there, or do you agree? Yeah, I think so, because God sovereignly decides that something will happen.

He was the one who actually decided that Jesus Christ will be crucified.

It was his decree. It had to happen. But who does the crucifixion?

Who does the sin? The sinner does. So everything is under the control of our

Lord. But as I said, he sovereignly decrees what happens, and the one who actually commits the sin is the sinner.

Amen. And you brought up the most vivid example of all.

When people object to God ordaining evil, and they say he does not do that, how on earth could the perfect sacrifice of his only begotten

Son on Calvary's cross have ever occurred without him decreeing this evil act of men?

It was an act of murder. It was an act of murder. It was even a decree of God.

I mean, it was an absolute decree that it would happen. And of course, his will, yeah, it was a decree, so it had to happen.

But the murdering part was done by evil men, by sinful men.

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That title of yours, Pavel, My Glory I Will Not Give to Another, what a precious biblical teaching that really is at the core of the doctrines of sovereign grace, also known as Reformed theology, also known as Calvinism.

That is really at the core of it all, because all of the rivals to Calvinism, whether they be

Arminianism, Pelagianism, Semipelagianism, Roman Catholicism, Eastern Orthodoxy, and even religions outside of those that claim to be

Christian, world religions and cults, they all, whether they are conscious of it or not, they are all attempting to share the glory of their salvation with God, are they not,

Pavel? Absolutely. Absolutely. They are just doing that.

I would like to say over here why actually this book was written, because of the glory of God, because he is the one who died for his people.

And let me just illustrate why this book was written, and it was one of the reasons, on the text

Romans 5, 8 -11. I would first read the text, and then

I will do such a little switch. The Romans 5, 8 -11 is this.

But God chose his love for us, in that while we were still sinners,

Christ died for us. Since therefore we have now been justified by his blood, much more shall we be saved by him from the wrath of God.

For if while we were enemies we were reconciled to God by the death of his

Son, much more now that we are reconciled shall we be saved by his love.

More than that, we also rejoice in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have now received the reconciliation.

Well, now over here we clearly see that this applies to us.

In the Czech Republic and everywhere I talk to people, they just don't like the third point of Calvinism.

They do not like the limited atonement. And we clearly see that Christ died for us, not for everyone.

And what I did in my book, that I replaced the us by all men without exception.

Us and all those three and so on, I replaced with all men without exception.

And now the Romans 5, 8 -11, quote unquote, of course, sounds like this.

But God chose his love for all men without exception. And this is exactly what the

Armenians loved. In that while all men without exception were still sinners, that's okay,

Christ died for all men without exception, still acceptable to Armenians.

Now 9, since therefore all men without exception have now been justified by his blood, much more shall all men without exception be saved by him from the wrath of God.

And this is total nonsense already. It's folly. For if while all men without exception were enemies, all men without exception were reconciled to God by the death of his son, much more now all men without exception are reconciled, shall all men without exception be saved by his love.

And now more than that, all men without exception also rejoice in God through all men without exception,

Lord Jesus Christ, through whom all men without exception have now received a reconciliation.

So we will get complete nonsense because really this is always only for us.

This is clearly said that God chose his love for us. And we are talking about the love, the saving love.

It is directed and pointed only for us since we were sinners, but Christ died again for us.

So there is the divine love which saves, directed only to us.

It means to all those God has elected. And when I was thinking about this,

I actually discovered that, I am not the only one who discovers these things at all, but when

I was reading these Romans 5 through 11, I just saw that all five points of Calvinism are actually in these verses.

If we read it again, so, but God chose his loves for us, which means only for us unconditionally, which is sovereignly elect, which is the point two, that's the unlimited atonement.

In that while we were still sinners, we were sinners, which means totally spiritually incapable and depraved.

That's the total depravity. That's point number one of Calvinism. And then

Christ efficaciously and purposefully redeemed only us, which is point three, limited atonement.

Nine, verse nine, since therefore we have now been justified by his blood, which means only we, again, only we have been efficaciously and purposefully justified by the cross of the

Christ, which is point three, that's limited atonement. Much more shall we be saved by him from the wrath of God.

Only we were preserved to the end, which is point five, that's the perseverance of the saints.

Then verse 10, for if while we were enemies, which means utterly spiritually incapable and corrupt, which is point one, total depravity, we were reconciled to God by the death of his son, which is only we have been efficaciously and purposefully reconciled by Christ to God, point three, limited atonement.

And much more now that we are reconciled, shall we be saved by his life. Only we will be preserved to the end, which is point five, that's the perseverance of the saints.

More than that, we also rejoice in God through our Lord Jesus Christ.

Only we rejoice in the pardon and efficacious calling of the Spirit, which is point four, that's irreducible grace.

And last, through whom we have now received the reconciliation, Christ efficaciously and purposefully received only us, point three, limited atonement.

So I think just in these five verses, there is everything.

There is limited atonement. It is only for us who were elected by his choice.

It pleasured him. And all five points of Calvinism are actually encapsulated in it.

They are in there. It's marvelous. Amen.

And we do have a listener named Joe in Gainesville, Georgia.

And Joe says that—I'm looking for Joe's question here.

I just had it in front of me. Oh, here it is. Joe says, you obviously took the wonderful title of your book from Isaiah 42 verse 8, which states,

I am the Lord, that is my name, and my glory I will not give to another.

And the rest of the verse says, neither my praise given to graven images.

Isn't this a perfect way to introduce to our Roman Catholic and Eastern Orthodox friends, loved ones, and neighbors, that any time that you introduce the use of graven images in a worship services, where you are bowing to them, where you are singing to them, where you are kissing them and believing they have some kind of innate holy power, you are sharing the glory of the

Lord with those graven images? That's a very good question. You want to comment on that,

Pavel? Yeah, I think you do. I will give you an example which happens right now in Czech Republic.

From one of the Catholic churches was stolen skull of the

Saint Zdzislawa. Zdzislawa, it's a lady, Saint Zdzislawa, which is quite venerated over here by the

Catholics in Czech Republic. And then even the

Saint Zdzislawa's skull is being just carried in the processions over here.

And I think it is so strange. I mean, somebody who believes in our

Lord, who is without boundaries, who is so holy, who wants only that we will just bow to him.

And now we are bowing to skulls, and we are bowing to images which are made by men.

That is horrible, I would say. It's distasteful.

God is the jealous God, and he will not give his glory to anybody else, whether it is us, that whatever we do is everything depending on us, even though our mind and everything is made by him, and nobody can transcend his will.

And we are just some people, Catholics, not only then, the

Buddhists and Hindus and so on. And then we can see it all around that people are just not only that, people are even, let's say, crossing fingers.

That's the same thing, you know, that we are bowing to that, or the black cat just crossed my path, so there's the bad stuff as well.

So, no, all the glory belongs to the Lord, to the

God, because nothing, nothing can transcend his will. It is impossible.

And one of the biggest conflicts that we have, as those who believe in the doctrines of sovereign grace, the biggest conflicts that we have with our, especially our

Arminian Christian brethren, and even Roman Catholics and Eastern Orthodox, is our belief in limited atonement, which is also called definite atonement, and particular redemption, which is,

I think, my favorite of the three ways of saying it. Why is this so important?

Because there are so many people who think that we are unnecessarily bringing about division in the body of Christ by emphasizing this, but why is it so important to you as a

Christian? And you document this in the book, obviously, so why is this so important, and what are the other ripple effects that would occur if you reject this teaching?

Well, the limited atonement, that's the third point of Calvinism. It is most rejected, as you said.

However, Calvinist, not Calvinist, the God is limiting the cross, that's for sure, but Arminians are limiting as well.

The Calvinist limits cross in scope, in extent. It means that it applies only to elected people, but Arminians are not doing it.

It is God's limitation. He does it. And Arminians are limiting too, but the problem is

Arminian limits cross in efficacy, because the people just don't accept it, which means man limits it.

And it is to me the most important thing that the Calvinists believe that God limits his cross in scope.

God does it, but in Arminianism, they limit the cross in efficacy and man does it.

So, to me, it is more important that what does God than what does man.

Tom Horner Amen. And Charles Spurgeon actually turned the tables on the

Arminians and said that it is they who really limit the atonement provided by God, because they limit its power.

They limit the atonement in a more vitally important way because we who are

Calvinists, we believe that the only thing limited about the atonement is the number of people for whom it is intended and accomplished.

But as far as the power of that atonement, that is unlimited, and that's why everyone for whom

Christ died, every single one of them will be saved.

They will be atoned for and redeemed. Whereas the

Arminian has millions of people that allegedly are among those for whom

Christ died, and yet they're going to hell. In fact, more people will be going to hell that Christ died for than will be going to heaven.

And that really is much more of a limitation, isn't it, Paul? Paul It is.

And actually, you mentioned Charles Spurgeon. This quotation I have included in my book, so it's there.

Tom Praise God. And how has this book been received?

What's been the response to it, not only in the Czech Republic but elsewhere?

And I know that you have the book in English so that people who are

English -speaking around the world can better understand. I'm assuming you also have it in the

Czech language. Paul In Polish. Tom Oh, in Polish. Paul It is in Polish. Yeah.

Well, you know, when I wrote the book, I wrote it only for the Czech people. I mean, it never ever crossed my mind that it could be translated into English because I don't want to sell ice to Eskimos.

Because all what I learned was actually from books which were written in English.

So I wrote it for the Czech audience. And the book is,

I don't know, about 300 books. And again, it's quite a lot of books actually sold over here.

About 300 books were sold over here. And of course, those people who like it, they like it.

And they see the new view of God. I mean, His sovereignty, which is nice.

But I translated it in Polish. I wanted to do it because in Poland, there is almost 40 million people.

We have only 10 million, 40 million people. And it's a Catholic ocean. The Poland is

Catholic ocean. And as far as I know, among those 40 million, there is about something like 300 ,000 or not even that of Protestant.

And they are mostly Lutherans. And I found out and it was published in Northern Poland in Torun.

There is the Christian Foundation. And just recently, about a month ago, not even three weeks ago, the publisher,

Tadeusz Tovlinsky, he organized a conference.

So there was the conference, which was based on this book. Basically, it was the conference on sovereignty of God.

So I'm very happy that in Poland, it was done.

And already 200 books were sold in Poland, which is again, quite nice. I mean, you must believe we are not in the

United States. It's a small quote -unquote market. The Christian market is not so big.

And I was not there because I had some health problems.

But my wife was there and the Czech publisher was there. And then we invited

Jeff Folker from Arizona. So he was the main speaker and he introduced those five points of Calvinism in Poland.

And I think that it will just grow because Tadeusz Tovlinsky, the man who organized this conference, he said that this is quite new to them and that there is quite opposition to Calvinism in Poland.

So I'm very happy that it happened. Yes. And my ancestry on my mother's side is from Poland.

My mother's parents were from Poland.

And my mom, who was Roman Catholic all of her life, thanks be to God, six weeks before she perished from pancreatic cancer, she made a clear and vivid profession of faith in Christ.

She gave Christ 100 percent of the praise, honor and glory for her salvation. She renounced prayer to Mary in the saints and images.

And she, time and time again, when asking her poignant questions, gave truly biblical answers to those questions, uncoached.

And I am praising God for the utmost confidence that she is with Christ face to face for eternity now.

But my little Polish mama came to Christ, and I hope that many more

Polish folks will come to Christ through your book.

I'm so glad that you did have it published in the Polish language. I just wanted to say that almost all of the books which were published are sold in Poland, which is great.

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My Glory I Will Not Give to Another, A Study in the Absolute Sovereignty of God.

And we actually have the aforementioned pastor, who was once one of my pastors, that I had mentioned earlier because of his interview with me on Good Friday on the theme,

Who is Responsible for the Death of Jesus Christ? Mark Rimoldi of Trinity Reformed Baptist Church of Portland, Tennessee.

He has a question for you. Early in my salvation, when I wrestled with the doctrines of Calvinism, it was an understanding of total depravity that convinced me of all the points.

Do you find that if someone really understands the nature of man's depravity, that should lead to embracing all five points?

Pavel, do you have an answer? Yeah, I think, yes.

I think the total depravity is actually the number one. We have to realize that man is sinful.

And I think that we can understand or we start understanding the total depravity only in that moment when we understand the absolute holiness of God.

This is something I cannot comprehend because I cannot even imagine when

I will be on the new earth with Christ that I will have not bad thoughts or something like that.

Not at all. I cannot imagine it, but I believe it will be like that. So the key to understand the total depravity is the absolute holiness of God.

And once we understand the, quote -unquote, the holiness of God, which is absolute, that there is not even a suit,

I mean, of sin or anything like that, then we might understand the total depravity of ourselves.

Because, you know, people think that they are pretty good people. I mean, when I talk to people, they truly think that they are pretty good because they just compare themselves with other people.

And I have doctors, they are unbelievers, but they just don't think that they are so bad.

And I trust them because by God's common grace, they just are good doctors.

And they care of me, but it is not the quality or perfectness which

God requires for us to be accepted by Him.

And as we are, I mean, in this body, we are totally unacceptable because even the best man, you know, just sins.

I usually say to people, show me a man who does not sin, and I'll show you a man who will never die.

Actually, even Christ died when He became sin. So that's what we are.

We are totally deprived. That's why we are aging. That's why, you know, we just have illnesses.

That's why I have to have glasses and I have other problems and so on.

But that's the problem. So the holiness of God, that's the key to understand our depravity.

And if we understand our depravity, it will humble us.

This is absolutely impossible. Once we are humbled, then we have nothing to come to Christ but with Christ.

There is no way to be saved, absolutely not. We cannot offer anything to Him.

We have to be enclosed in Christ. We have to be baptized in Him. Tom Now, it seems to me that all of the five points of Calvinism are so strongly connected to one another that those that are

Amaroldian or four -point Calvinists don't seem to really have a solid basis to which to reject limited atonement, definite atonement, particular redemption, because the other points will just really unravel without that.

Am I making sense? Am I overstating this? Peter Absolutely. Actually, in my book, when

I go point by point, I always show first point of Calvinism in the first chapter.

Then comes the second chapter. I have two of them and I show how they tie together. Third, and I tie all those five points together because if one is missing, none is valid.

I mean, it is impossible. It is one package. We actually even saw it when I was reading

Romans 5, 8, 11, that section of the

Word includes all of those five points. There's one package.

No way to say, I am only four -point Calvinist and then discard the third one, usually.

Tom Well, in the three minutes that we have left, brother, I would like you to just summarize what you most want etched in the hearts and minds of our listeners today.

Peter Well, on my heart would be the most important thing that people realize.

That's what I actually said, how holy is God and how sinful we are.

Then I would like to address that. Let's avoid this thing that usually man makes himself a little bit better.

He elevates himself a little bit up, that he's not so bad. Then he actually degrades

God and lowers him down. So between man and God, there is a little place, but it's not like that.

There is an absolute infinite room between us and God.

I think this is the most important thing to realize, who we are and who God is.

I think that's the most important thing to know because then we see ourselves in proper light and then we see the

Lord in proper light. That's the most important, to see the difference and then to realize how good he is, how gracious he is, that he just became a man and took us to himself by his power and by his pleasure.

We have to be thankful to him and just worship him and bow to him that he is our

Lord, that he saved us. Tom Amen. Well, I want to make sure that our listeners have all of the important websites that we need to announce.

First of all, to find out more about our guest Pavel Steiger and his ministry and everything that he sets his hand to do for the praise, honor, and glory of Jesus Christ in the

Czech Republic and beyond, go to reachbeyond .steiger,

that's S -T -E -I -G -E -R, dot C -Z, the abbreviation for Czechoslovakia or Czech Republic, I should say, forward slash newsletter.

That's reachbeyond .steiger .cz forward slash newsletter.

And for the publisher's website, if you would like to purchase this book, my glory,

I will not give to another. The website is calvarypress .com,

calvarypress .com. And for those of you who have submitted questions, make sure you get me your mailing address so that Calvary Press Publishing can ship out your free copies that you've won today by virtue of submitting questions.

By the way, since it is on a very similar subject, you might want to mark your calendar for Tuesday, June 2, when

I have Dr. Sam Waldron returning to the show. Dr.

Waldron is an author and also the president of Covenant Baptist Theological Seminary in Owensboro, Kentucky.

He is going to be addressing on the show misunderstandings about Calvinism, so I think that that would be very valuable.

And before we go, also, Jan, the translator that was here on standby, do you care to give your church website for those who are listening to this program who may live in Czechoslovakia or may visit it?

Yeah, the website is reformovani .cz, or if you search

Reformovaná kongregacia nicetisí droidze, if you're here, you'll be able to find it. Great, and I would love to have you back on the show as my primary guest to talk about your journey out of theistic

Satanism. That would be a fascinating interview, if you would like to join us.

And we'll see about it. Okay. Let's talk about it in the future. Okay. Well, and I want everybody listening to always remember for the rest of your lives that Jesus Christ is a far greater