May 21, 2026 Show with Pavel Steiger on “My Glory I Will Not Give to Another”

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I am honored with the privilege today of having a first-time guest. His name is Pavel Steiger, who is an author, a radio missionary, translator, publisher, and conference speaker in the Czech Republic.

And today, he is going to be addressing the theme of his book, My Glory I Will Not Give to Another. And the subtitle of this is A Study in the Absolute Sovereignty of God. And it's my honor and privilege to welcome you for the very first time ever to Iron Sharpens Iron Radio, Pavel Steiger.

Yeah, hello. Thank you, Chris, having me on your show. And well, where to start? Well, I am from Czechoslovakia and Czech Republic originally. And maybe I should introduce myself a little bit, who I am, how I became a Christian and so on.

So I was born in 1941. And my background was Catholic. So I used to be an altar boy. But in 1952, because my father exploited five employees in his little shop, so we were chased out and expelled out of Prague.

And he actually ended up in coal mines in Ostrava. So it was quite a bad situation for us. And since I was in Ostrava, so I was studying the geological engineering. And that's about it, about my education.

I have no class, I have no education, I mean, as far as the theology goes. And in 1968, there was the Russian occupation in Czechoslovakia. And because it's probably not the best to stay there, because there used to be, you know, the saying that we should go forever with the Soviet Union.

But I didn't want to go forever, I mean, with them. So we actually left in 1969. I was 28 years old. I left Czechoslovakia with my wife and two boys. And two boys were just one and two years old. So they were quite small.

And so when we came to the United States, I must say, you know, it was actually very interesting. I was very scared, you know, because I thought, you know, this is a huge, big country and, you know, who I am, who can actually start, I mean, life with two kids in America.

So when we arrived, it was actually then by God's providence, even though I was an atheist, I didn't believe in God absolutely at all, I mean, in those years. So we ended up in Idaho, in northern Idaho, in Osborne, Idaho.

And I actually got the job over there because I was from Czechoslovakia, and there was an engineer, a very well known, he was from Czechoslovakia too, he was very, very liked. And that's why I was hired over there.

It was quite, quite, quite an experience. And I just want to tell you one little thing, which I really appreciated what happened to us in the United States. When we arrived to this small town near Wallace, Idaho, people just took care of us.

The Lions Club took care of us. Within a week, we had the apartment, it was fully furnished. It was absolutely great. I think it was something. And then what happened, the pastors, it was a small town, about 3 ,000, 4 ,000 people, and about five, six or seven churches.

And the pastors were coming to our home and just telling us, you know, about the Lord and so on. But we were very, we somehow didn't want to hear about it. But what caught me, there was the Baptist pastor, and he adopted two children of American Vietnamese descent, because there were some, in Vietnam, there were some American children after that, soldiers, so they actually were taken.

It was really something which caught my attention. So I was there in Idaho, and then I was transferred to Los Angeles. And in Los Angeles, I was working for Atlantic Oil Shield Company. Some people will know the oil company, which is still in the West, especially the stations.

And then, actually, I started when I was in Los Angeles, I was closing like 30 years or 32 years of age, and I started living, this is from weekend to weekend, I would say. We just, I just worked for five days, and I was looking for the weekend.

And we were a good group, I mean, with the other Czech people. And it was quite strange to me. I was saying, why I am actually living like this, you know, for these weekends. And I was actually in those days, I would say that up to when I was 33, I was immortal.

But after I was 33, then I started thinking, you know, what is the life about? Why I'm actually here? What's going on? So I was just thinking, you know, that how come that the life is that I was not before I was born, now I am, and then I will not be, which means nothing, something, nothing.

So if some life is, I mean, just hanging in between two nothingnesses, then I said, what is the reason actually for living? It doesn't matter. If I am, I will not be, then it doesn't matter if I'm rich or poor, or if I am there, or if I am bold, or if I'm healthy, or if I am sick, or all those things, you know.

So it was quite strange to me. So I was actually looking, I mean, I was smiling on the outside when we were getting together on the weekends with our friends. But I was kind of stressed and crying on the inside.

And nobody noticed that on me. Not even my wife probably didn't notice that. So then I was trying to look, you know, how to get outside of it. I was looking at astrology. It didn't help. Then I was starting to read the books.

Probably you may know Eric von Däniken, and there was the outer space civilization that actually we were planted on this earth by outer civilization. And then I had the problem if we were made, you know, or planted here by the green man who actually made the green man.

So it, again, did not help me. Absolutely not at all. So then I was looking at literature, reading, and so on. And when I was 37 years old, it was in 1978, I visited a secondhand bookshop in Los Angeles at the lunchtime.

And, you know, this literature, I mean, the outer space civilization and other things like astrology and so on, was just the next to the spiritual literature. And then I took, I just, I don't know how my hand went, and I just pulled out from the shelf a book.

And the book was called, and I think many listeners now, especially the older ones will remember it. The book was called The Late Great Planet Earth by Hall Lindsay. And I opened the book. And when I opened the book, then I read the line that the Russians will attack Israel.

And it was the point, I immediately picked up the book. I paid the full 99 cents for it. And it occupied my mind. Because I was, you know, the Russians or the Soviet Union occupied Czechoslovakia. And now I said, those Russians, I used much harsher words than, of course, their dear words.

And I said, they are now going to occupy Israel. So I started reading this book. And surely there was the eschatology, I am not in line with it right now, not at all. But there was gospel, there was telling me that at the end of the book that I am a sinner, that I need a saviour, a personal saviour.

So it really was very interesting for me. Then I started reading another book. So I was reading so many books, and I didn't want anybody who would help me in my belief. Because I was just saying to myself, when I go crazy, then I do not need outside help for it.

So I am fully capable of doing it on my own. And that's about it. So then my wife, you know, when she discovered, you know, that, oh boy, there are wives, you know, they have drunkards, they have the womanizers, they have some men or husbands who are not taking care of the family.

So she just said, oh, I am just a crazy man. So that's basically how it started. And again, I was trying to avoid believers, really. I was just reading the books. And probably that's why, you know, I was writing books or articles and started a magazine.

And then in my work in Atlantic Ritual Company, there was a draftsman, and he told me, because he knew that I was in this stage of believing, and I was believing, you know, I was quite, it just caught me.

Even I was so fired that I just burned some books, you know, I had. I just didn't want to have it even at home. So then the draftsman in ARCO, he directed me to Grace Community Church, where John McArthur was preaching.

And again, so when we went to the church, it was quite, quite amazing, quite interesting, because there were so many people. And when we walked in, you know, they were just embrace me, brother. And I didn't want to be embraced.

I just wanted to sit down and I just wanted to hear the gospel. Then there was music. I didn't want to hear the music because it was just postponing the preaching, which I just wanted to, I wanted to listen to.

So then in those, in that time, because I did not, I didn't hear anything like that before, and of course I knew something of Catholicism, but nobody ever told me, you are a sinner, you need a Savior, the Lord loves you, and so nothing like that.

I didn't, I just thought in those days, you know, that if there is a God, so He will be good to the good people, He will be bad to the bad people, He will send them to hell, something like that, you know.

It was, so then I thought, you know, that I am probably the only Czech in the world who heard the gospel. And then it just pushed me and urged me to write a book. So I wrote a book, which was called The Battle for the Soul.

And it was, of course, in Czech and I actually sold my beloved Volkswagen. I just said, you know, it has to be published. I just sold my beloved Volkswagen and accepted a check for the Volkswagen. You know, it was, it was enough to pay the printer.

And we were just trying to send it around the United States. It couldn't be able, it couldn't be mailed to the Czechoslovakia then because it was a communist, it was a communist country. But, but when we returned to Czechoslovakia as full-time missionaries, the radio missionaries, then, then the book was again published in Czech Republic and it was quite popular.

And many people actually were introduced to the gospel and they, they believed. In 1985, when I, when I published the book in America, I was transferred with ARCO to Jakarta, to Indonesia. So we spent four years in Indonesia.

And, and since half of the people in that Kepayoran Baptist Church spoke, you know, English just like me, you know, the funny and proper English. So I got the courage to teach Sunday school. And that's, that's where I actually started working.

I mean, except that book. I started really working on, on, on my, on, on my kind of missionary, missionary work. And then, then when we were in, in Jakarta, I started, started recording programs in Czech.

They were 20 minutes long. It was once a week. I wrote, you know, some, some, some subject or some kind of preaching or interesting things. And I recorded it in Jakarta in a Christian studio. And those tapes then, they were mailed to Monte Carlo.

And in Monte Carlo, there was Transworld radio and Transworld radio broadcasted these 20 minutes programs weekly to Czechoslovakia, which was still communist then. So I was always calling myself the Pavel from Jakarta.

And of course the listeners, I mean, the Christian listeners in Czechoslovakia, they absolutely didn't know who is it, who actually is that Pavel of Jakarta and, and so on. So pretty soon we were starting getting some letters from Czechoslovakia and people wanted transcripts from those programs.

So what I did, we started with my, with my wife, Clara. We started a, or founded a magazine. And the magazine is called, after my first book, The Battle for the Soul. And it was such a small, it was 24 pages.

It was written just on typewriter. First ones, then came the computers. So it was getting better and better. I mean, looking, I mean, on the outside. And, and we absolutely couldn't believe it is still published in, in Czech Republic right now.

It is published not by us because we are already seniors. And we wouldn't have the strength probably and time, you know, to do it. And it's actually published here for 37 years. I just couldn't believe I, it would never, it would never come to my, or came to my mind that it would be for such a long time.

And it's a, it's a quite popular magazine at about 3000 circulations, which is a lot. The Czechoslovakia has about, or Czech Republic has about how many, maybe 10 million people. And we don't have too many Christians over here.

I mean, especially the Protestant or the Bible believing, Bible believing Christians. So that's how we published it. So in 1990, I quit the job. I mean, I just quit the corporate world and joined HCJB World Radio.

It was in Quito, Ecuador. So I spent one year with my wife in Quito, Ecuador, and we were broadcasting with everything, of course, writing and broadcasting. Everything was in, in Czech language. And then, then in 1989, it became revolutionary.

I mean, in, in, in Czechoslovakia still, and that the communism fell. And in 1993, we returned back, I mean, to our native country as full-time, as full-time missionaries. And, and it was more the publishing, publishing.

We were not, actually, we started one, we, we planted one church over here, but, but it was just on the side, but, and other people were, were preaching in it. I was preaching in that church as well. And actually, the, the radio actually stopped when all these new technologies on internet started.

So that's, that's, that's probably all the testimony I would have. And our missions over here in, in Czechoslovakia, and then since 1993 in Czech Republic was mainly publishing that magazine. Then we were publishing some, some books.

And then I was more, some, did some speaking in conferences. And when I was invited to, invited to churches, I, I spoke. And then for about four years, from time to time, I was, I was speaking in, in the church.

We, we visited here in Prague. So that's basically an introduction.

Okay. I wanted to introduce to my guests, someone who is here on standby in case we need a translator for any reason, Jan Prorok, who is a minister in the CREC denomination, which is also known as the Communion of Reformed Evangelical Churches.

And he is also in the Czech Republic. And welcome to the program, Jan. And I really appreciate you taking the time to be of service to us today. Yeah.

Thank you for having me.

And, and if you don't mind, tell us how you came to Christ yourself, if you give this brief explanation of your salvation testimony, and also how you came to discover and befriend our primary guest today, Pavel Steiger.

Okay.

I thought I was just supposed to be the translator, but I'll give you a brief story. I grew up as the average Czech kid in a non-believing family. There's, Christianity was something that was basically rejected in our, in our home.

Uh, we never really talked about it. We knew that, you know, sky daddy is a crazy idea. And over time I was, yeah, I was bullied as a kid and I was trying to deal with the reality of evil somehow, because I experienced a lot of it.

And I was trying to find a reason why, why is there evil? Why is there suffering? And when I was 10 or 11, I read the Satanic Bible by Adon Chandra Lavey, and that kind of became my worldview for the next couple of years.

Wow.

And not a typical reading for an 11 year old.

Yeah. Right.

And so my worldview was, okay, everything that's bad in the world is caused by Christianity. You should be your own God. You know, you should define your right and your wrong. But it still didn't give me the answers I was looking for.

So I was going deeper and deeper, trying to find answers in the occult and neo-paganism. And over time I got to what is called orthodox or theistic Satanism. I came to the conclusion that Satan is actually the one that I wanted to serve.

Wow. I was very open about worshiping Satan, about calling Satan my Lord. And that's what I basically did with my life. And I was basically suicidal since the time I was 11 or so. And when I was about 19, I came to a point where I wanted to kill myself and hopefully take some people with me.

Wow.

But then I realized that this is something that Satan wanted me to do, but there was something in me that still wanted to live. And I realized that I was really enslaved, that over the years I was acknowledging that I was Satan's slave and I was fine with it.

And then I kind of realized I am Satan's slave and I need to get out of this. I don't want to destroy myself. And at that moment I knew that if Satan is so real as I was experiencing him, that the other side, that God was real.

And I knew that the only way out was that Jesus, whom I'd been blaspheming for the last nearly 10 years. So I prayed, Lord Jesus, I don't know much about you, but I know you are God. Do whatever you want with me, have me sent to the Middle East, have some crazy wacko cut my head off, but save me from this.

And I underwent a radical change and I realized that I really became a new man. I was shocked by the change that happened in my life. And I was like, okay, that means I'll have to be a Christian. So I picked up the Bible and I started reading what I actually committed to.

I said, okay, Jesus saved me from this, I'll be a Christian. And he helped me, he changed me. I was like, okay, I need to keep my part of the bargain. I'll need to study what it means to be a Christian.

And by God's grace, pretty soon I started listening to some of the American teachers, first from the young restless reform circles, but I quickly got to something more substantive and deeper and more historic.

And by God's grace, I've been a Christian for 15, 16 years.

Hallelujah.

And God has been really good to me.

Hallelujah. I would love to have you back on the program to give a deeper and lengthier explanation of your whole life and transformation, because that would be a fascinating interview. But feel free during this interview with Pavel to ask questions of your own if you want to chime in from time to time.

And, in fact, you failed to include in that how you came to know Pavel. Yes.

Absolutely.

Yeah.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I forgot to include you in the story. Well, at that time, I moved to Prague because there was a small theological seminary and I wanted to study there. Because I kind of had a similar experience like Pavel, because after a couple of years in the Czech very shallow evangelicalism, I was hearing the gospel from these American preachers.

I'm like, I've never heard that before. You know, I've been attending church here, but nobody has told me all these beautiful and glorious things. People just don't know. So I went to a seminary with the idea, I'll get theological education there.

And that's what got me to Prague. And then somewhere I heard that there was a new conservative evangelical church starting, and we got, me and my wife, we got all excited about it. And that's where we met Pavel, because he was one of the people in the core team that was starting the church.

So that's how we met.

Oh, praise God. Well, we are going to go to our first commercial break, and when we come back, we're going to find out more about these wonderful doctrines that have been nicknamed Calvinism. They have been nicknamed the doctrines of sovereign grace.

They have been nicknamed reform theology. And the guest that we have on today, to remind you, is Pavel Steiger, and he has included a brilliant, very detailed, and very thorough and comprehensive book, My Glory I Will Not Give to Another, a study in the absolute sovereignty of God, featuring these doctrines that I have just given you a brief introduction to.

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Welcome back. If you just tuned us in, my guest today on Iron Sharpens Iron radio is Pavel Steiger, who has written a book, My Glory I Will Not Give to Another. We also have serving as a co-host today and translator, if need be, Jan Prorok, a Christian translator in the Czech Republic who is also a Reformed minister of the gospel.

If you have questions, our email address is chrisarnzen at gmail .com. Chrisarnzen at gmail .com. Give us your first name at least, city and state, and country of residence. And Pavel, you mentioned that you had been introduced to Grace Community Church of Sun Valley, California, where the late John MacArthur was the pastor.

I'm assuming it was there that you first discovered the doctrines of Sovereign Grace, also known as Reformed theology and Calvinism. Was that where you discovered and first heard those teachings?

Well, only partly, I would say. I discovered, I was actually, yes, yeah, let's put it this way. Yes, John MacArthur was clearly Calvinistic, but he never mentioned the word Calvinism. And I started getting, I mean, more and more knowledge about Calvinism when I was reading books of R .C. Sproul.

That's where I really deeply went into the doctrine. But probably I would like to say that I was discovering on my own in the Bible that probably really I was elected, that it was the election of God and not mine.

I was discovering, you know, in the Bible that Christ very likely did not die for everyone. And I was very scared of this thought, you know. I was actually asking God for, asking Him, you know, that He would just, well, I asked God, you know, to, how to say it in English,.

I don't know if you could help him out, Jan.

Yeah, I asked God, you know, to forgive me. I mean, for such thoughts, you know, they were quite, in my mind, you know, they were quite, but then I started realizing. And when I read the books of R .C. Sproul, then I was really relieved that it is truly, it is truly so, because I started thinking this way, election.

Actually, everything is election. There is nothing which would happen by chance. And the Lord God, actually, He elected, He just chose this kind of the world. I was just thinking, you know, my technical thinking, that He could actually create, you know, myriads of worlds, but He just elected this particular world, because I think it would give Him the most glory.

So this world was elected by Him. Then, of course, He elected humanity. He actually chose humanity. His counsel was set, and whatever pleased Him, He did, He created. He elected Abraham. He elected Noah.

He elected Isaac. And we know how it went with Abraham, how it went with Isaac, and He elected Jacob, not as Esau, and so on. And then I was thinking this way, that how, let's say, that Virgin Mary came to it, to be a mother of the humanity of Jesus Christ.

She didn't ask for it. She was just elected for it. And then, let's say, if I look at myself or you two guys, then, or brothers, we were elected, too. We just didn't ask, you know, to be. It was His pleasure that I will be, that you, Chris, will be, and Jan will be.

It was His pleasure. So we were elected or chosen by Him to this life, to this body, and He created our soul. So this was, you know, kind of thinking I had. And then, of course, when I went to Bible and when I was introduced by R .C. Sproul, mainly, that it clearly just really, really, really get to me.

And then, when I got, you know, to Romans, all those, Romans 9, 15, 16, I have the quote, I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion. So then it depends not on human will or exertion, but on God who has mercy.

And this was, this is quite a strong statement by our Lord. And this is actually a quotation of Exodus 33, 19. And when we go to Exodus 33, let's say, 18, 24, so that's gospel, actually. That's a proto-gospel, one of the first ones.

And not of the first, but one of the first ones. In 18 verse, Exodus 33, Moses said, please show me your glory. Moses asked for God's glory. And God said, I will make all my goodness pass before you and I will proclaim before you my name.

So, so he was asking for, for goodness. And the Lord showed him that his, his name is his glory. And he said, I will be gracious to whom I will be gracious. And I will show mercy on whom I will show mercy.

This is exactly what, what Paul was repeating in, in Romans 9. And then, then actually it follows, which caught my mind, and maybe somebody may not agree with me, but verse 20 says in Exodus 33, he said, Lord said, you cannot see my face for my, for men shall not see me and live.

And the Lord said, behold, there is a place by me where you shall stand on the rock. There is the place we shall stand on the rock. And the rock is clearly, I believe Jesus Christ, that he is the rock.

And then, and then he says, the Lord says, and while my glory passes by, and it passes by, I will put you, he's talking to Moses, but I think he's talking to, this is a picture of all believers, I will put you in a cleft of that rock.

And I will cover you with my hand until I have passed by. If we are put into the cleft of the rock, and then we are actually laid or covered by his hand. So we are completely encapsulated in this rock.

And I, I believe some people may not, but, but I believe that this was Christ. And this was when his glory was passing by, when he was, Christ, when he was crucified, then, then all the glory passed. That's actually the pin, that's the top of the, of the glory, which is passing by.

When we were in that cleft, in that rock, when we were encapsulated there, when we were immersed in that, when we were actually baptized in it, then, then, then, then it was the greatest glory we can imagine.

And then he says, then I will take away my hand and you shall see my back, but my face shall not be seen. Which means even, even when we see the greatest glory, we still cannot see that the whole, whole God.

Because he's so big, he is without boundaries. So that's, that's why that's, that's, these verses are so, so precious to me, that it was actually uncovered already to, to, to Jews, I mean, long, long time ago.

So that, that's, that's about the election, because he said, I will be gracious to whom I will be gracious. I will show my grace on whom I will show my, my grace.

And we have a question from a listener that I'd like to read, because I think it'd be wise to ask it early on in the interview to have a further explanation of why you even wrote the book. We have Lou in Sharpsburg, Georgia, who asks, was a primary motivation for writing your book to do with your interactions with Armenians, provisionists, and others of like persuasion?

Might as well throw in Catholics in there, because they are clearly in opposition to the teachings of Calvinism, and I'm assuming they dominate the Czech Republic. But if you could answer Lou's question.

Yeah, it was when we came to Czechoslovakia, the Czech Republic, we found out that basically, it was an unknown, but surely, historically, yes, but that the Christians, which we met in churches, and we talked to, so they were basically all Armenians.

And that's why I started writing this book just to introduce to them. First, actually, there were some articles in the magazine, The Battle for the Soul, as I mentioned before. So there were some articles, but from those articles, it grew up into the book.