Radio Lux Luct 134

You're listening to radio looks listen, I'm your host Steve Matthews. Thank you for joining me for episode. What is this episode 34? Yeah, 134. Excuse me 134 radio looks listen the title of tonight's episode is Jesuit Joe Awards.

Antichrist.

Yeah, okay. I wasn't sure if I should use that title and I'd see maybe there's a little bit on the nose. But I thought why not let's go for it. Anyway, welcome to a special. This is a special Sunday evening edition of radio looks listen I I don't normally do podcasts on Sundays, but I'm kind of in podcast mode right now.

I Had a really fantastic interview with a guest yesterday Christian J Pinto or Chris Pinto from a dullum films and from noise of thunder radio and He he had put out a film a documentary film came out last summer.

So there's a summer of 2024 and it's called American Jesuits. And I finally had a chance to be trying to get him on the the Trinity Foundation radio program for a while. And I finally got him on. We had a fantastic conversation.

I and I was today. I was finishing up doing the editing so I could Go ahead and get that out and get that posted and Lord willing. I think that should be Posted to the Trinity Foundation website probably tomorrow on Monday.

That would be the the 13th. My guess it would be Monday maybe Tuesday, but probably Monday anyway. We'll see it should be out soon. And I think I might even go ahead and put a link to that on my blog.

It was just a fantastic interview is really It was a lot of fun. It's always fun to talk to Chris and always learn so much when when I talk to him I I love his research. I think he's very gifted and and he really.

Relates.

He.

Organizes material and presents his material very well and and I I think that. If you're interested in sort of the kinds of things we talked about in this podcast I think you're really going to like that podcast as well.

Anyway, so I can say I'm kind of in podcast mode is doing some editing and I just I didn't feel like writing anything tonight. I usually write a blog piece on Sundays. But anyway, I thought I'd do a podcast here and.

Joe Biden, Pope Francis, and the Presidential Medal of Freedom

Well, there's all kinds of interesting stuff going on in the world here over the past week. So it's not like there's any shortage of material to talk about. One thing that I wanted to talk about I was going to talk today about Joe Biden's big trip to to the Vatican.

But as it turns out things kind of changed. Joe Biden was actually supposed to go.

Go.

Meet with Pope Francis in person. When I say Antichrist, that's who I'm talking about as head of the church. Of course, that's that is what the Pope is. That's the office of Antichrist.

And he.

Joe Biden was supposed to go over there and meet with the Pope in person, but due to all the wildfire Business out in LA apparently they canceled the trip. So the news is on the other hand. Instead of going to make an in-person trip.

It said that Joe Biden awarded Pope Francis the Presidential Medal of Freedom. And it seems like Joe Biden's going out of his way to give the worst people in the world. The Presidential Medal Medal of Freedom, I think it's it's almost like I I I know what do they call it the kiss of death or something like that, you know.

But yeah, he's giving all these horrible people this Presidential Medal of Freedom. I know he gave one to George Soros who is an anti-american subverter and he gave another one to Hillary Clinton who's also an anti-american subverter and.

And he's giving one of course to to Antichrist whose very mission in life is to subvert all liberty and equity and justice. Anywhere in the world he can do so including here in the United States. That's that's that's the man's job and that's how he rolls.

Antichrist that is and and I. Somewhat joking but actually it's not really a joke when I say that he's Joe Biden's boss. I mean he really is. You know one of the things in fact when I was talking to Chris Pinto he he called Joe Biden.

He called him a you know an agent of the Jesuits and and I think that's true. I mean if you look I mean Joe Biden has a long history of having close relationship with the Jesuits. He attends a Jesuit Church in Washington DC.

He's very very very he's a very long-standing personal relationship with with the current Pope so yeah, I mean that's. Yeah, and and really if you look at the policies that Joe Biden has implemented everything all his climate change policies his immigration policies.

You know all of this business of flooding the United States of America with millions upon millions upon millions of illegal aliens. That is the Vatican immigration policy that he's carrying out and you know, and I've jumped up and down and Rung the bell and shouted and played the fool, I guess.

Talking about the the role of the Roman Catholic Church in in America's immigration crisis. But it's true and I cannot say this often enough, you know. And maybe sometimes maybe I hope I don't wear it wear the topic out.

But I think on the one hand it it's it's so important that it has to be talked about. But number two nobody ever talks about it. So three that leaves it up to. You know me and other people's like people like me to discuss this sort of thing, so anyway, that's Something that I feel led to do very much.

So and I hope that it's borne some fruit and I'm going to continue to do it because this is. This is an extraordinarily serious issue. Anyway, so let's see what we got here and we'll talk through a few stories today and let's do a screen share here and.

We'll.

Start with her first story. So yeah, it's just talking about the the deal here with with Joe Biden and Pope Francis so this is a story piece in the Vatican News and It's got the headline. Joe Biden awards Pope Francis the Presidential Medal of Freedom and let's see it says that One of his final acts as leader of the United States President Joe Biden conferred the Presidential Medal of Freedom with with distinction with distinction.

So this is a special awards. It's not just a mere Presidential Medal of Freedom. It's the Presidential Medal of Freedom with distinction. The nation's highest civilian honor upon Pope Francis. The announcement was made during a telephone call between the two leaders on January 11th.

So this was on Saturday. This was yesterday. The meeting initially scheduled was an in-person audience at the Vatican on January 10th was canceled due to the wildfire emergency of Los Angeles. Which prevented Biden from traveling to Italy?

And it talks about this phone call is the second dialogue between Francis and and Biden here recently. And oh, here's an official statement from the White House as a young man. Jorge Bergoglio. That's that's Pope Francis.

That's that's his actual name. Jorge Bergoglio sought a career in science before faith led him to a life with the Jesuits. Well, yeah. Well, it's faith of a sort. It's not faith in God. For decades. He served the voiceless and vulnerable across Argentina as Pope Francis's mission of serving The poor has never ceased a loving pastor.

He joyfully answers children's questions about God. A challenging teacher. He commands us to fight for peace and protect the planet. No and A welcoming leader. He reaches out to different faiths. The first Pope in the Southern Hemisphere of Pope Francis is unlike any other who came before.

Well, that's true. And that he is the first Jesuit Antichrist above all he's the people's Pope. A light of faith hope and love that shines brightly across the world. Okay, well, you know, I mean that's yeah, that's that's the kind of thing you would expect from from Joe Biden.

I mean, you know, one of the things in fact when I was talking to Chris Pinto he Mentioned something too and he's talked about this before. He's got a podcast called noise of thunder radio. But if you you listen to his podcast from time to time, he will talk about South American Jesuitism and you know the Jesuits South America is a real stronghold for the Jesuits and Pope Francis is maybe the most obvious public.

You know example of that since he's also the first Jesuit Pope, but he's by no means the only example of powerful Jesuits in in South America so yeah, he you have him as kind of the ultimate expression of South America Jesuitism and.

And of course our president who has tons of Jesuit connections he I believe he may have gone to. I think he may have attended Jesuit school. I'm gonna have to double-check that but I believe that was the case, but you know, he has had.

He attends a Jesuit parish in in Washington DC. He goes to church there they they in fact that parish Elected to make sure that he receives Communion. There are a lot of Catholic bishops who have called for Joe Biden to be cut off from from.

From receiving Communion because of his stance on abortion, but you know, the Jesuits said oh, he's a he's a good boy. He's a good Catholic boy. We're gonna go ahead and and make sure that he we don't we don't embarrass our man in the White House.

And so they make sure they take care of him.

When.

Interestingly enough to when he was sworn in as president. He put his hand on a Dewey Reams Bible. Dewey Reams. That's the Jesuit translation of the Bible. So that's something else to keep in mind there.

This is something in this is an article here from NPR. It's got a header a headline it says Biden's meeting with Pope Francis will be both official and deeply personal. Now this is going this this one goes back sometime this is actually back to 2021 when Biden made his first trip to Rome to meet with the Pope and It just says here ahead of Biden's visits with Pope Francis on Friday.

A question was posed in the White House briefing about whether the meeting will be Personal or formal and the answer from National Security Advisor Jake Sullivan was both. And Biden is just a second Catholic president while John F. Kennedy took pains to downplay his faith.

Biden often places it front and center. He quoted st. Augustine in his inaugural address and really cites Pope Francis speeches. So there you go. You've got this this Jesuit president citing speeches from the Jesuit Pope.

So anyway, so yeah, so this is again, you know, they they have a long-standing relationship Pope Francis and Joe Biden. In fact the picture that you see here if you can can see this it's on the video.

It's got a caption. It says then Vice President Biden shakes hands with Pope Francis Capitol Hill in Washington prior to the Pope's address to a joint meeting of Congress in 2015. So and and back here you can see over over to Biden's I guess that's his left.

That is I think that's John Boehner there. Who is Speaker of the House at the time? John Boehner was a Republic. Well, he was Republican Speaker of the House in 2015. But he was himself educated at Z at Jesuit Xavier University here in Cincinnati.

He's actually a local politician from not not far from where I live and he went to to Xavier University here, which is a Jesuit school and. He also he actually come teamed up with with Nancy Pelosi in 2014.

Nancy Pelosi also has strong Jesuit connections and. The two teamed up to invite Pope Francis over and it took about a year for this meeting to take place. But in 2015, yeah, they did bring him over to a great deal of fanfare.

Yeah, it's hard to believe that's been nine years. Well, it'll be ten years this fall of September 2015. So it was was nine years ago this past fall and later this year. It'll be ten years. That's hard to believe that that much time has passed just seems like that was it was not very long ago at all.

So anyway, you know, I mentioned something here about. Well, in fact, here's an article. In fact, this was a piece sent to me by my friend Carolyn. Carolyn Thanks for sending this she sends me always sends me great stuff and and here's this kind of ties into to the whole thing with with Joe Biden and and Pope Francis and here's a.

Catholic Charities and the Immigration Crisis in Texas

This particular piece of some news organization called Texas scorecard. And it's got the headlines is is Catholic Charities helping bring illegal aliens to Fort Worth schools now I mean I can I can earn a I don't even have to read the article.

I can tell you the answer that question is yes, of course, they're doing that because that's what they do. And but let's go on to read this thing here says Tarrant County GOP recently revealed that the organization as Catholic Charities is working with the school district to bring illegal alien children into the school district.

New reports suggest that a local chapter of Catholic Charities is working with Fort Worth Independent School District to bring illegal aliens into the school district. It was previously reported that the Catholic Charities of Fort Worth had been incentivizing illegal immigration into Texas by helping illegal aliens obtain Citizenship and handing out millions in taxpayer money CCFW so that's that's Catholic Charities of Fort Worth has also been given nearly a billion tax dollars from the Biden regime.

By administration, I call it the regime but it says here in fairness, Texas scorecard says from the Biden administration's Department of Health and Human Services, which they funnel to illegal border crossers and other organizations funded by leftist billionaires George Soros and Bill Gates.

Now the International Newcomer Academy in Fort Worth ISD. Maybe it's independent school district is intended exclusively for unassimilated migrant children. So they have an entire school in part of this part of the Fort Worth school district that's dedicated exclusively to Unassimilated migrant children.

So how much you know, it doesn't say anywhere in this article how much this school costs. But this cannot be cheap. I Mean you got to pay for just all the regular school caution building teachers maintenance all the stuff that would normally go with the school.

On top of that you probably have to have all kinds of Language assistants and things of this sort and notice the the name of it too is newcomer. Now I did back on Reformation Day. I did a gave a talk on a position paper that was put out in 2003 by the American Conference of Catholic Bishops and Mexican Conference of Catholic Bishops and Now basically it was a a position paper on how they can can promote the invasion of the United States with a migrant With with illegal aliens and.

And one of the terms that they used in there that was the term newcomer and then that was their sort of euphemism for illegal.

Alien.

They've got a whole school there in in in Fort Worth funded by taxpayers of Fort Worth Among other things and I don't know how much they have to pay for that. But again, it can't be cheap and They call it the newcomer Academy.

So, you know surprise surprise. They just. You know the the treasonous bishops they just carry the same. Talk the same concept over and they get the school named this way. Because it's a you can't have the International illegal alien Academy.

You can't have an international newcomer Academy though. The Academy teaches children grades 6 to 9 to orient studies to US schools. Develop basic communicative Academic oral or written English proficiency.

Continue develop knowledge and skills and core content area subjects. And okay, oh. And it says so that students can transition to the next component of secondary ESL programs. ESL is English as a second language the most common countries of origin through Mexico Myanmar Bhutan Congo and Iraq and the common language is spoken to Spanish Nepali Swahili Burmese Karen and Arabic.

So there you go. If you happen to live in in Fort Worth at your tax dollars at work. You you get to spend all you know, probably millions upon millions of dollars a year. Educating. You know kids it shouldn't be in the United States and you know, and someone's gonna say well you are you mean to tell me?

These are these kids should be could be should be sent home. Yes. Yeah, they should be in there. And their family should be sent home. It is not the job of the American people to feed house clothes and educate.

Foreigners especially those who you know these people who do not come here. Who come here contrary to our laws? They need to all go back. They need to be deported and someone might say well, that's unloving.

Well, you know allowing this stuff to go on as unloving toward my American neighbors and my Americans are my neighbor. I mean, I think it's interesting how when any time there's a discussion about immigration, you know, it's always.

You you know, there's all these the you're always implored to oh you're supposed to care for your neighbor. You're supposed to provide all the you know, give all this charity in this type of thing. Well, there's a there's at least a couple of objections to to the way these the way Rome typically frames the issue I mean in in the first place.

My neighbor my my fellow Americans are my neighbors. I mean, they're quite literally my neighbors. They're much more my neighbors than somebody from a foreign country. So there's that but number two on top of that type of thing.

Again in the Bible in in Christian teaching. I mean the Bible encourages Christians to to be charitable. But charity is always giving of your own things. It's always giving of your own time. It's giving of your own resources.

Christian charity and government welfare are not the same thing and all of this stuff. That is promoted by Rome promoted by the Biden regime all of this stuff is. Is really the theft of taxpayer dollars?

Let's go back and look at that paragraph. I quoted earlier here CCFW again Catholic Charities of Fort Worth has also been given nearly a billion dollars from the Biden administration's Department of Health and Human Services.

In other words just just this one Chapter of Catholic Charities, I mean there's lots and lots of Catholic Charities all over the country. I mean, there's a Catholic Charities of southwestern Ohio where I live and it's probably Catholic Charities that cover every square inch of the United States.

So this is just one one chapter of Catholic Charities. They were given nearly a billion dollars by the Biden regime. Just this one. So what about all these other Catholic Charities? You know, what about what about all these other throughout the country.

You know, how much money are these are. Is this organization getting from the American taxpayer to? Continually work to subvert the very taxpayers who are Being tapped to to to hand this money over to them.

You know, in other words you and I as American taxpayers. We're paying for our own displacement and destruction. Yeah, I guess that's great work if you can get him. That's a sort of I have to in a way I almost have to tip my hat to Catholic Charities and some of these other organizations because yeah that that is true evil genius I mean to get To get the to get you and me to actually pay for our own replacement displacement and destruction.

But that's that's uh, you know that that is that is truly evil genius and I I guess in a way I kind of have to grudgingly salute them for their um for their industriousness. Um, certainly not for the righteousness, but but certainly for their industriousness, you know, I I can't say that they're lazy people Um now, you know, what's interesting again?

This is something that came out when I was talking to to Chris Pinto yesterday um, but he was talking about how this this um, desire by the the church of Rome to flood the United States with Uh with Roman Catholics with illegal aliens.

Um.

Has been going on. He's been present for a very long time. Yeah, this is not a new thing. This actually goes back.

Um.

To the mid 19th century and maybe even earlier than that. I would suspect earlier, but there's certainly uh strong evidence. Um that it was going on by the 1850s. And Chris referenced a book. By a gentleman by the name of Charles Trinicke.

Now that's a name that if if if you're a evangelical, if you're a protestant, you may have heard of him. He was a actually a very famous individual in the 19th century and he was he was a French. He was he was born in Canada.

He was French Canadian. And and he was raised Roman Catholic and he eventually left the Roman Catholic church. And uh, he was saved and left the Roman Catholic church. He became a Presbyterian minister.

He was a close friend of Abraham Lincoln. And a big supporter of Abraham Lincoln. Trinicke lived in Illinois. In fact, he founded a town in Illinois called St. Anne's. And while he was still a Roman Catholic.

And.

While he was still a Roman Catholic priest. He was actually defended in court by a Young lawyer by the name of Abraham Lincoln. And so I think that's probably where he and Lincoln. Um. First maybe maybe that was when they they first met and they were friends, you know, right up through the time that.

That Lincoln was killed. But anyway.

Um.

In this he wrote a couple of major books. One was called 50 years in the church of Rome and the second one was called 40 years in the church of Christ. And in this particular book 40 years in the church of Christ.

He talks about there was a meeting. That was held. I want to see let's see if I go back here. He said this was in 1852 and he talks about a meeting of these catholic bishops. Oh, no, excuse me. The meeting was in the spring of 1853 and uh.

So he says at Buffalo, I suppose he's probably talking about Buffalo, New York. But anyway, uh, this was at the time when Trinicke was still a Roman Catholic priest. And he was apparently present at this meeting.

And i'll read just a little bit of this. Uh, he says uh. Through his influence a large assembly principally composed of priests to which I was invited met at Buffalo in the spring of 1853. But what was his disappointment when he saw the greater part of those priests were sent By the bishops of the United States to oppose and defeat his plans.

He vainly spoke with the most. The most burning eloquence for the support of his pet scheme the majority coldly answered him quote. We're determined like you to take possession of the United States and rule and rule them.

But we cannot do that except by acting secretly and making use of the utmost wisdom. So, I mean here's you know apparently there is this one priest that wanted to come up with a plan to To take over the United States and I guess his fellow priests were saying well, you know, we agree with you.

But we don't agree with your methods. So it wasn't they didn't come back and say well, you know. Maybe we shouldn't be trying to to subvert the government United States. No, they were all for doing that um, but they um, they just wanted to go about it a bit differently and uh Chinake continues.

He says if our plans are known they will surely be defeated. What does a skillful general do when he wants to conquer a country? Does he scatter his soldiers over the farmlands and spend their time and energies and plowing the field and sowing the grain?

No, he keeps them well united around his banners and marches at their head to the conquest of their strongholds. The rich and powerful cities the farming countries then submit and become The price of the victory without moving a finger to subdue them.

So it is for us silently and patiently must mass our irish roman catholics in the great cities of the united states. Remembering that the vote of our poor journeyman. Even though he's he'd be covered with rags as much weight in the scale of power as the millionaire aster.

Uh, and that if we have two votes against his one, he will become as powerless as an oyster. So essentially they're trying to find a way to hack the american republic. Uh, and the plan of doing this is by flooding the united states with uh with catholic immigrants in this case.

They specifically talk about irish catholic immigrants. Uh, let us send multiplayer votes. Let us call our poor but faithful irish catholics from every corner of the world and gather them. Gather, uh them in the very hearts of those proud citadels.

Which the yankees are so rapidly building under the names of washington, new york, chicago, buffalo, albany, troy, etc under the shadow of these great cities. The americans consider themselves as a giant and unconquerable race.

They look upon the irish roman catholics with utmost contempt. As only fit to dig their canals sweep the streets and work in their kitchens. Let no one awake these sleeping lions today. Let us pray god that they may sleep and dream their sweet dreams a few years more.

How sad would be their awakening when with our outnumbering votes? We would turn them all forever from every position of honor power and profit. What would those hypocritical sons and daughters of the fanatical pilgrim fathers say?

Well, not a single judge not a single teacher. Not even a single policeman will be elected if he's not a devoted irish catholic. What would those so-called giants think when they say of their matchless?

Shrewdness and ability when not a single senator member of congress will be chosen if he's not submitted to our holy father the pope and they continue on in this vein, but um, you know what what this is this is this is replacing migration and and this is is a particular type of Of immigration war.

I mean this this is immigration is warfare. Okay. You know, this isn't people coming and saying oh what a country, you know, I mean this kind of thing. No, I mean this is actually um organized immigration with the purpose of Subverting the united states of america.

This is in 1853. Okay, so this is what 172 years ago 172 years. So, I mean all of this stuff that you're seeing going on the headlines with all these people these millions of people pouring across their borders because joe biden invited them all in our our Jesuit roman catholic president enacting the the immigration policies of the vatican.

Um all the stuff you're seeing this stuff has been in the works has been planned at least 170 plus years. And who knows it may have been before that. But I mean chinookay's writing I I suspect probably it was going on before that.

But again, you know going back just 172 years. That's pretty impressive. You know, I mean they've been working on it that long and you know. One of the reasons and again i'll just i'll mention what chris pinnow said one of the reasons he thinks that Uh, donald trump has gotten so much pushback is because he's kind of he's he's going after Uh after the heart of the matter.

I mean immigration is an absolutely key component Of rome's immigration war on the united states and there's even a particular word for that kind of thing going on. It's called irredentism. Irredentism one definition of that is just jesuit immigration warfare.

And that's what you're seeing going on what we're seeing here with the outgoing biden regime is an example of irredentism. It's the jesuits using immigration as a tool of war on the united states of america.

And there's more to the one could say about this, but i'll just i'll uh, i'll leave it at that um for the moment.

Um.

Anyway, so so much for that now. Here's something else another this is another interesting little bit of evidence from the the 19th century the 19th century. It's absolutely fascinating and i'll i'll reference something else that chris bento talked about.

He talked about the just huge amount of literature That was written in the 19th century by american christians warning other believers of the dangers that rome represented to the the liberties of the american republic.

And.

There's an absolute ton of literature out there and and in most almost all of it's been forgotten. I think probably charles chinicky might be the best known of the writers in the 19th century who talked about these things.

But there's a lot of really great stuff that was written but which unfortunately For all that did not have the effect of of putting a stop.

To.

To rome's attack on our constitution on our liberties. Here's another example. This is actually a book.

Um.

You can see this on the video here. Um. It's kind of interesting how I came across this book. I was reading. I think it was a column.

By uh.

There's a pretty well-known conservative columnist ann coulter. And and she was talking about a a book that has was promoting, you know, roman catholic immigration theory.

Um.

Uh, it's called machine made and the book was about all these big 19th century political machines um that were set up in the united states, you know, you think of like. Uh, probably the best known one, but not the only one by any means was tammany hall in new york city.

And I I went ahead and I got a copy of that book machine made. When I was reading that book I found a reference to another book and the the name of that book is romanism and politics Tammany hall the stronghold of rome.

And so I immediately got went on to google books to research this thing. I want to see if I can find a copy of this. Well, I couldn't find a copy anywhere. None. None had been scanned.

But.

The this book it was referenced by google books and I found that there were a couple of copies. There's one in the columbia university library and there's also one in cornell university library. Well, I did did some research and I I was I found out that cornell university actually had a A thing set up a program set up where you could request them to scan one of the books.

Uh for a price. It wasn't, you know, terribly expensive like 60 bucks or something. So I anyway, I applied uh, send them the money and I had them scan the copy of this book romanism and politics. Tammany hall the stronghold of rome and it's actually more of a booklet.

Uh, it's about 30 pages long is published in uh 1887. And it was written by a gentleman by the name of joseph. Hartwell who's a protestant minister now I don't know. I haven't been able to find any more biographic details of joseph. Hartwell to date.

But I I probably need to go back and do some additional searching. Um, you know, maybe he was you know, I I I assume kind of from the way he writes. It sounds like he probably lived in new york uh, new york city because he writes, uh kind of extensively about Uh new york politics and seems to have a lot of knowledge about it.

But what I want to do is I want to just scroll down. There's kind of a money quote here. And when I read this thing when I first got this a couple years ago, I just it just really knocked me out of my seat.

Um, and I want to share that here with you. This is what he writes. He says a quote for long years. We have heard of tammany hall now tammany hall. I'll just Make a this is my own comment here. Tammany hall Was in the late 19th century up through The early maybe the first few decades of 20th century that was the Most powerful democrat organization in new york city.

I mean essentially it was the new york city democrats. Then they were famously powerful and they were famously corrupt. Uh, they're as corrupt as the day is long. They're just noted for that sort of thing.

So anyway going back to joseph. Hartwell here. He says quote for long years. We heard we have heard Of tammany hall the political parties and intelligent citizens have regarded it As a vile hole where ugly creatures live and breed year after year.

And yet who is given a definition of tammany hall the editors of her papers political or religious? No. Let us try the following definition. Tammany hall is simply the political organization of the roman catholic church.

With a bishop hughes or a cardinal mccloskey or archbishop corgan at its head. And a fernando wood a william treed or a john kelly for his fugalman now the word fugalman. It's kind of an odd word to us.

It just means mouthpiece. So so, you know these these bishops they were the head of the thing, but these other guys, you know, fernando wood william Treed john kelly he says, you know, they're his mouthpieces the william treed I believe that's the famous boss tweed if you look up boss tweed.

Uh, he was uh, he was, you know, supposedly the head of Of of tammany hall, but according to what uh, joseph heartwell says here. He was really more of a front man. Uh, and and not really the guy that was principally in charge.

It was the roman catholic church hierarchy in new york city. That was in charge. So let's go back to heartwell and this is what he continues. Uh, this is this is heartwell continuing. He says the proper name for it.

That is tammany hall. The proper name for tammany hall is jesuit hall. By this name it should be called and by none other. For name and nature should correspond so that when the one is called the other should be understood.

And that would help guide both the mind and the action of the american people. The object of this organization has been and is to put money in power. Power and money into the roma's church or the papal conspiracy as dr. Edward beecher persistently calls it.

It would not have looked so well for the high prelates and priests of rome to stand before the american people. Where they could see them doing the work, which bosses tweed and kelly did. After tweed.

After tweed died in prison. Some someone was needed to take his place and we informed that carter mccloskey helped and encouraged john kelly in the work. Which he did but would so high an official of the pope stooped to such an act.