Church That Is Isn't the Church — Leonard Ravenhill

Peter and John at the Beautiful Gate

I want to read some verses from the third chapter, third chapter in the Acts of the Apostles. Now Peter and John went up together into the temple at the hour of prayer being the ninth hour. And a certain man lame from his mother's womb was carried, whom they laid daily at the gate of the temple, which is called beautiful, to ask alms of them that entered into the temple.

Who seeing Peter and John about to enter into the temple asked an alms. And Peter fastening his eyes upon him with John said, look on us. And he gave heed unto them expecting to receive something of them.

Then Peter said, silver and gold, I have none, but such as I have give I thee. In the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth rise up and walk. And he took him by the right hand and lifted him up. And immediately his feet and ankle bones received strength.

And he leaping up stood and walked and entered with them into the temple, walking and leaping and praising God. And all the people saw him walking and praising God. And they knew that it was he which sat for alms at the beautiful gate of the temple.

And they were all filled with wonder and amazement at that which had happened unto him. And as the lame man which was healed held Peter and John, all the people ran together unto them in the porch that is called Solomon's Greatly Wondering.

And when Peter saw it, he answered the people, Ye men of Israel, why marvel ye at this? Or why look ye so earnestly on us? As though by our own power or holiness we had made this man to walk. The God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and of Jacob, the God of our fathers, hath glorified his Son, whom he delivered up and denied in the presence of Pilate when he was determined to let him go.

The Apostolic Church Compared With the Church Today

For a number of weeks I've been meditating on the disparity, or if you like, the difference between the apostolic church and the church of today. I described it once in the book I hope to write, the church that is, is not the church that was.

We're just about as far removed from apostolic Christianity as we can be. And personally I'm embarrassed to be part of a church that I think is an embarrassment to God. There is no way to compare the church today with the church that was.

We can't compare it, we can only contrast it. For instance, if I come to my own vocation and say the preaching of the day, I think it's just about like candy floss compared to a ribeye steak. To compare the preaching of today with apostolic preaching.

These men had come out of that dynamic experience when the Holy Ghost fell upon them in the upper room. And it seems today that there are many people who are advocating a painless Pentecost. Doesn't cost you anything.

The only thing it does, it changes it from poverty to plenty. You get rich within two years. Never have any troubles, any problems. That is not biblical Pentecostal standard. Pentecost meant to those people in the upper room eventually, it meant persecution and pain.

And it says in the fifth chapter, they rejoiced. Why? Had they been to a banquet? Sitting with a bunch of broken film stars or football players? Had they been sitting with rich men and distinguished people?

No, no, no. They had been threatened that they would go to prison. And it says they rejoiced and they rejoiced greatly that they were counted worthy to suffer. For his namesake. Okay, here it says Peter and John went up to the temple.

At the hour of prayer being the ninth hour. Now, why in the world they went to the temple? I just wouldn't know. I'm sure if either of those guys, those preachers really got the anointing of God, if they began to pray in the Holy Ghost, which is something that I don't hear too often.

People say, well, can you tell me something which I can really put my finger on and say, listen, that is the assurance that I'm filled with the Holy Ghost. Is it tongues? I don't believe in it. I believe there's a genuine gift.

I don't believe everybody has to have it. Or it's the initial sign. Is it that somehow I'll do miracles? No, that's not the sign. I'll tell you one sign. Nobody mentions it, but the word of God mentions it clearly.

In the epistle of Jude, which is an epitome of the whole of the Bible, it speaks there about praying in the Holy Ghost. And remember it was as they were praying the Holy Ghost came upon them. They were seated.

They were relaxed. They'd gone through 10 tortuous days that we know not too much about. Do you think that Peter was saying to Thomas, you know, if you'd only quit doubting, the Holy Ghost should have been here three days ago.

Or Thomas saying to Peter, you know, there's still something in you, you old rebel. And if you'd really get straightened, we could have gone home. I don't think they were picking faults. They were all there slain as it were.

Not just with fear, though they were afraid of the people and afraid of the hierarchy. But they were there with one common need. They had been told that there was one who should come upon them. You remember when Jesus gave them the news he was going to leave them.

And as Mr. Chadwick used to say, love in tears is petulant. They said, we don't want you to go away. Well, you know, when I go away, another is coming. Now, some people think because the Spirit came as a rushing mighty wind, that he was a wind and he was just a noise.

Not so, he is a person, Jesus says. Not again, the junior partner of the Godhead. Equal with the Father, equal with the Son. Not Father, Son and Holy Spirit, but Father, Son, equal in majesty, equal in glory.

And Jesus says this third amazing person is going to come. And not only be with you, but be in you. Know what they said? No, no, no. Now, look here, we're quite satisfied. Don't you send anybody else.

Substitutes are never any good anyhow. I once went to preach for a very famous man. He couldn't make it. He called me and I took a train trip and I got in a meeting late. And people, you know, as soon as the door moves, they looked and somebody said, Oh, it's only Ravenhill.

Makes you feel great. I want someone else. Jesus says, but when he comes, he's coming with power to undo you with power, power, power. Oh, how we've used that promise in Acts 1 .8. You shall receive power after the Holy Ghost comes upon you.

Again, it wasn't power just to be miraculous. It was power to be a miracle, not make one to be one. But he was going to take their defeated lives and make them more than conquerors because the Holy Ghost was going to indwell them.

He won't just be with you, he will be in you. You shall receive power. They needed that power. They needed it physically because they were going to be beaten in prison. They needed it intellectually because they were going to write epistles.

They needed it spiritually because they were in on a collision course with the powers of darkness to the most horrible machine on the world, which is religion. They came out of that upper room. Well, you know, the world said as a word to God, it would say to us.

Did you hear the story? What story? Those men that disappeared for a few days, they're going around town like a bunch of crazy idiots. And people said, well, what do you expect? They've been drinking.

They're drunk. You know, the church never does anything when it's sober. Doesn't Paul say there in Ephesians, be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess, but be filled with the spirit. Why does he compare being filled with the spirit with being drunk with wine?

Because when a man is filled even with that kind of spirit, he isn't himself. He's released. I remember going down the street in Glasgow the first day of World War II. A preacher friend I was with. He said, I've got to go in this room here and I have to get a gas mask.

I told him he went because they were free being a Scotsman. And he said, you stand by this lamppost. I'll come out of that room and the light will blind me and I'll step forward. And when you see me come, well, we'll go on our journey.

He was in there quite a while and a streetcar came up, stopped right in front of where I was and a man got off drunk. Typical man. He got rubber legs, you know, they wouldn't keep up one way or the other.

And he staggered. And finally, he slid forward and he put his arms around the lamppost and me as well. His breath was terrible. He stepped back and he said, uh, who are you? And I told him, I owe Scotsman.

No. Can you sing? No. Can you fight? He said, no. He said quite a number of things. And he said, listen, I can sing. And he sang Maxwell Town Braves of Bonnie, Where Early Falls the Jew. He meant dew, but it was near enough for a drunk man anyhow.

And he said, who's your father? And what nationality? And he went around a whole string of questions and then finally put his hand in his pocket and he had a lot of silver there. He pulled this great handful of silver out and he offered it to me.

And you know, if a Scotsman offers you a handful of silver, he's surely drunk. And, you know, immediately I thought about that man. Everything was characteristic of the man who's really filled with the spirit.

He's a liberated soul. The son of the soul set free. You see, the church is still in Romans chapter 7. We're still living in that dirge. Romans 7 is a funeral march. Romans 8 is a wedding march. Romans 7 is bondage.

Romans 8 is liberty. The law of the spirit and life in Christ Jesus had made me free from the law of sin. These men had gone through that amazing upper room experience. Sure, Pentecost was going to mean persecution and pain and privation and prisons.

But also it meant purity and love that is pure is passionate. Here are two God-intoxicated men. They come out and here is a man at the temple gate. The next chapter says that he was 40 years of age. And if I know anything about professional beggars, I could go to some countries now and find a man at the same place he was at when I was in that country 10 years ago.

They get a place and there's honor amongst them. They won't steal each other's place to beg. I suggest to you that this man had been at that beautiful gate of the temple 30 years. What was wrong with him?

He was crippled. Why was he crippled? Because the church was crippled, that's why. Why? How in the world did he sit there year after year? I said yesterday, I think, it amazed me when I considered this recently.

Jesus must have passed this man a hundred times when he went into the temple. Been there for years. Peter and John must have passed him many times. High priests had passed him and taken his money out and ostentatiously thrown him a silver or a golden piece.

It says he was carried daily. So they brought him from home to the temple. Temple, home. Twice a day. 365 days in a year. That's what, 730 times he was carried. If they carried him 10 years, he was carried, what did I say now?

730 times. 10 years would be 7 ,300. 30 years would be somewhere around 22 ,000 times he was carried, but never cured. He was helped, but he was never healed. And when he saw Peter and John coming, of course, he was quite sure that since they'd had a revival a day or two before that they were loaded with money, they got some big love offering and he wanted a share of the pie.

And he cried again, silver and gold. He wanted them to give him gifts. Peter said, silver and gold, I have none. Do you need any other proof that he wasn't the Pope? Do you need any other proof that the Pope today is not in apostolic succession?

Why don't people take them to the Pope instead of going to Lords? If God has put all his invested, all his power in a man like that, he ought to be moving around as a peacemaker and doing the miraculous every day.

He does nothing. Here is a crippled, twisted, tormented man, day after day, living as he lived yesterday, anticipating tomorrow in the same chronic condition. And here's a great monstrous system of religion that let him stay there.

And as far as I'm concerned, the man at the gate, beautiful, is the world, and the Church hasn't the power to heal him. And tonight the Church hasn't the power to do it either. There's a gulf between apostolic Christianity and the Christianity today.

Far greater than the gulf of the Great Grand Canyon. God never designed his Church to backslide. God never intended the Church to stand at the side of the road while communism and others paraded in the middle of the road.

The cost was too much. The Hymn writer says the Church's one foundation is Jesus Christ, our Lord. She was his new creation, by water and the blood from heaven he came and sought her to be his holy bride.

And these men are intoxicated because they had witnessed the most amazing thing the earth had ever seen. You remember when they had trouble in the first chapter there? Peter always got something to say, and he says it again a little later in the same book.

He says, you crucified the Lord of glory, but him hath God raised up, whereof we are witnesses. And in case you want to isolate that and say, well that just belonged to the days, you know, it all ended at the end of the Bible, which is a nice alibi.

I want to tell you tonight, Almighty God doesn't need any alibis. I want to tell you tonight, God is not looking for sponsors. The guy you listen to on TV maybe, but Almighty God isn't. He is a crippled, tormented, distorted body.

How did he get deliverance? He got deliverance through two simple, consecrated, cleansed, committed, concerned disciples. That's how he got it. They were totally yielded to Jesus Christ. They obeyed the commandment, ye shall receive power of the Holy Ghost coming upon you.

Peter no longer runs away when a girl points a finger. He points the finger at the whole nation and says, you crucified the Lord of glory. We don't do that so much in the days in which we live, do we?

Everybody comes up with the same idea. If you say anything that's a little disturbing, well, they say, well, of course, you know, we're not to criticize. Or if you want it scripturally, we're not to judge.

But I read here in John 7, it says we're to judge righteous judgment. You know, I read the scripture, I almost feel an orphan. I'm not disagreeing with my brother talking about liberty and joy, praise the Lord for it.

When it comes down to the nitty gritty, how much of it gets under the door into the world? How far can we touch a world that's lost and never, never nearer to judgment and never, never nearer to another bloody war than the moment in which we live?

What does the church do? The finest summary that I've ever read of this amazing church was given by J .B. Phillips. An English preacher, not just because he's English, who one day, a little weary, turned round on his swivel chair and grabbed for a book.

It happened to be the New Testament in Greek. He happens to be a brilliant Greek scholar. He read Acts chapter 1, Acts chapter 2, Acts chapter 3, and about to chapter 5, and the book exploded like a bomb in his hand.

He made this amazing summary. This is the church of Jesus Christ before he became fat and short of breath by prosperity. Now, think a minute. Is the church, are the organized branches of the church, Baptist, Methodist, Pentecostal, are they fat and short of breath by prosperity?

This is the church, he says, before he became fat and short of breath by prosperity. This is the church of Jesus Christ, he says, before he became muscled down by all the organization. We talk about liberty and now they get liberty in any denomination these days.

You have to talk a lot and you'll get a letter from headquarters. Somebody spoke in tongues in your church, they think it was the end of the world, but then they did the place. One of these days, we're going to be smart enough to let God do the teaching instead of us do it.

The church before it became muscled down by over-organization. This is the church, he says, before, another before. Not only before, before it was muscled down, muscled down by over-organization. This is the church, he says, where they did not sign articles of faith.

You know, you go to a church usually and they give you a sheet of paper and say, well, if you, if you can say yes, yes, tick it all off, sign at the bottom, we'll take you in. Well, that doesn't demand any moral power or spiritual power, does it?

Philip says, this is the church where they did not sign articles of faith, they acted in faith. This is the church where they did not gather together a group of intellectuals to study psychosomatic medicine, they just healed the sick.

This is the church, he said, where they did not say prayers, but they prayed in the Holy Ghost. And I've heard the greatest preacher in the world in the last 50 years, and yet the outstanding experiences of my life are not in hearing these amazing men who can do a juggling act and almost blind you with their theological science.

The greatest memories I have are of praying with men who were anointed by the Spirit of God, and we prayed until two or three or later hours in the morning. Do you think you can find a church on earth that fits into that pattern?

Does your church rule in that liberty? Not in bondage to headquarters, not studying psychosomatic medicine, but having power. He looked on Peter and John and said, will you help us? He was asking for arms, A-L-M-S, phonetically it sounds like this arm.

The Sunday school teacher was teaching a class of girls, and they read this scripture that this man asked for arms. One of the girls said, why did he ask for arms when he needed legs? I wonder sometimes if the Lord doesn't wonder the same thing about us.

We ask about something secondary instead of asking about the real thing. But remember this, if we are going to have another Pentecost, it's going to mean persecution, it's going to mean hardship, it's going to mean sacrifice, it's going to mean that we're rejected and considered maybe fanatical even by the nearest and dearest.

And I think when the scripture says that a man's friend should be those of his own household, it means spiritually as well as physically. For time and time again God has come on people and what happened?

There's a split in the church. For what reason? Because some of the old rascals want to stay there and they did it grandfather's way. But listen, we're living in a new age. There has to be something come on the age in which we live or we're doomed.

And every political society and every other society is leaving no mark on this generation except a mark for evil. Peter and John went up to the temple at the hour of prayer, the ninth hour. The man fastens his eyes on Peter and Peter said something very wonderful I think.

He said, I've no silver or gold. Look on us, look on us. Can your church say that in the region you live in? Not being arrogant about it, but friend you won't get your problem solved, you won't get an answer to your situation anywhere else but you come to us, look on us.

And he not only saw the man's need but he reached down, he touched him and immediately touched him. I'm sure that man felt as though he had, he touched an electric current. The resurrection life of Jesus, the power of the spirit went into that twisted, deformed body and immediately his ankle bones received strength.

Well then they got a crowd round. This was at the beautiful gate of the temple. Again I say, the high priest had passed a thousand times past the man. Jesus must have passed him many times. But you see there's a timing in the affairs of men.

Was it even Shakespeare said there is a tide in the affairs of men which if taken at the flood lead on to higher things. And there was a timing here. It was for the glory of God that this man's body was going to be miraculously delivered.

Every bone that was locked would be unlocked. He's going to stand and leap and praise God and do what the apostles didn't do apparently, go running through the sanctuary. Now I reminded you last night that temple held more than six thousand people.

You see Christianity is something you can't really bottle it up, you can't get it into shape, you can't squeeze it into a theology. We said last night that Jesus on the last day, the great day of the feast, he stood in that temple, he had no right to be there.

For six days the priest had stood there in his gorgeous garments of beauty. And they had remembered the time when the rock was split. And Jesus stood in that very place and said, listen I'm going to tell you something.

If any man thirsts let him come unto me and drink. And they were celebrating the feast of tabernacles. I think this is one of the most courageous things Jesus ever did. He's got six thousand enemies, he's got high priests and others around him.

He's got six thousand pairs of eyes upon him and he stands there sublime and majestic in holiness and authority. And the eyes of the multitude are upon him and then he stands and delivers that word, if any man thirsts let him come unto me and drink.

They'd hardly got out of that situation when they saw a bunch of Christians come along and start upsetting things. You know people pray for a revival. They say well of course we don't really want to be disturbed.

Well why don't you order an earthquake from Sears Roebuck and see if, well they wouldn't have one, but could you have an earthquake without being disturbed? You can't have a You can't have a revival without some people being cut down.

Peter and John stretched forth their hands, or Peter did, and touched the man and his ankle bones received strength. And the multitude came around with their oh oh and wonder and Peter said look not on us.

He said to the man with his need look on us. In other words we've got the answer to your problem. But when they wanted to glamorize those two men and give them praise and adoration he stepped out of the way and said no no no don't put any halos on our heads.

Don't attribute any greatness to us as though by our power our own holiness we have made this man to walk. Listen you may be the greatest saint on earth but there's no power of holiness through you to someone else.

It must be the Spirit of God. He's jealous. The Holy Spirit of God has the power. He has the authority. I'd like to have been in that situation and seen that man. It's sure one thing he's not going to be just a pew dweller.

He's not going to sit down and just be very rigid and careful. No sir he's received the wonder working power of God. It's evident to everybody else round about as Wesley says my chains fell off my heart was free I rose went forth and followed thee.

From that day forward he became a fanatic I'm sure. But who in the world wouldn't be when he sat there for 40 years he heard somewhere the temple he could hear the old priest chanting away when he has come the eyes of the blind shall be open and the ears of the deaf unstopped.

Maybe many times he said to people where are you going oh the miracle worker Jesus is up there and and he unplugs the ears of the deaf and and and he puts sight in blinded eyes and he straightens with the limbs and the poor fellow must have thought for years and years the three years in the life of Jesus why did he do it to me why did he leave me here in my bondage sorrow night why didn't I come out of sickness into his health and out of my poverty into his wealth because there was a timing in the situation.

That's why this was going to bring more glory to God than if he'd been healed with a multitude who were healed one day. Yes it's going to get these men into trouble all right. After all it's uh it's it's very rough to shatter the religion of your father or your grandfather isn't it.

What do they do with Peter and John. Well they just got them together and said uh we've had enough of this uh we're going to um have a high court tomorrow so in the next chat you'll find that they gather together the intellectuals and the hierarchy of the church and Peter and John are brought up to give an account of what they've done.

And these poor fellows were trying to get out of it one way and the other and they couldn't get out of it. And so they whispered to each other and then they said well ladies and gentlemen and this distinguished company uh there's no way we can get around this.

This is the man that sat at the beautiful gate. We all know him and not only that we know he's been liberated. We don't know how it's been done. It's got us pretty shot and it's burst our theology open at all ends and we can't sleep at night for thinking that he's been at our doorstep all these years and we could never do anything but give him bits of money.

The thing he didn't need. We could not supply his need. And then came along these two men but we wanted to know this number one. They're not ordained preachers. Not one of them. Neither of them has a preacher certificate.

And they're not well trained. And they're not good theologians. And we're kind of figuring that this thing might die off. We do hope your trouble doesn't come back to you old fellow. But uh this man we wanted to know this.

But both these men by our standards you know we've got certificates first class certificates in paralysis. We can't do anything. We can't say anything with any life. And this fella's come on like a streak of lightning.

You see these men were filled with the holy ghost. Oh they're not only filled with a holy ghost. He says they filled jerusalem with their doctrine. He says that they were filled with joy. Uh we just want to say this before we dismiss these men peter and john.

They uh they come from the working class. Really they're good fishermen but bad theologians. And all we have to say to you watch it watch it. Because they're both unlearned and ignorant men. Hmm. Well they missed it by about a million miles.

Didn't they. Dr kaufman says the gospel of john. Or rather says john was the plato of the new testament. He's the most profound thinker 92 of the gospel of john has not been mentioned by matthew mark or luke.

He introduces us to new characters. He had an intimacy with intimacy with jesus christ that nobody ever had. He was there on the mount of transfiguration. He was there on each occasion when jesus raised the dead.

But uh keep this in mind that jesus fellows gone anyhow. These fellows are trying to live in the afterglow and they're trying to work something up. But listen we want to warn you they're unlearned and ignorant.

And john gave us what. Well peter gave us two epistles. Man i get so much out of the first epistle of peter the first chapter. I think it's a fan. It's worth the whole bible in itself. How many millions of people have been blessed through peter's writing.

He wrote one epistle. He wrote two epistles. He didn't gather any royalties for them yet. Gonna get those when he gets up there. And this fellow john. He wrote the gospel of john. The first epistle of john.

The second epistle of john. The third epistle of john. And then to really prove that he was ignorant he wrote the book of the revelation. Well all you like to be. Would you rather be the high priest but sat there in splendor and live like a king just for a few years.

And then you don't even know his name. Or a man like peter and john endued with power from on high but having authority over the power of sin and the power of death and liberating a man who'd been a captive all these years.

What do you want to settle for. The church has never had more intellectualism than it has. And i'm not knocking it. Scholarship on fire as in the case of wesley and some other men is a marvelous thing that scholarship by itself when it sits there just splitting theological hairs and deciding to call a few cronies together and have a conference which of course the poor and needy are not invited to our brother.

Keep it. Peter looked on this man. He not only looked on him he touched him he put his hand down and immediately it seemed as all life was transmitted into the body. And a man jumps up and he leaps and he praises and he magnifies god.

And the whole of jerusalem heard about it and again i say they passed it almost as it were a sentence of death. Give me some money. It seems safe to say that when the church is rich financially she's always poor spiritually.

And usually when she's poor financially she's rich. The greatest revivals in the last 10 years have not been in cultured civilized countries as we think of it. They've been in indonesia and other places where the new testament have been relived again in every manifestation of the power of the risen son of god.

We sit in our comfortable pews and we're so satisfied with our portion silver and gold. I have none but such as i have given unto thee what a difference between the apostolic church and the church today.

Your readers if you read it as i read it the whole book is is full of the supernatural. It's branded right through. There is no explanation except that god works for men. They heard his voice they moved in the power of the spirit of god.

The Early Church as a Supernatural Community

The end of the hedonism. Again let's get out of our minds the idea that we're the most. Uh you know we deserve more pity because we live in such a terrible age as communism mormonism moonism all the other devilish things.

This monstrous monolith of a thing called communism. I remind you tonight that christianity was not served up to the world on a silver plate. Christianity was born in a jesus never spoke about slavery.

The apostle paul never spoke about slavery. And yet these men unlearned and ignorant. Reminding you again as my wife and i and a friend stood on the southern rim of the graham canyon. I read the legend there.

Maybe you've read it that yellow ribbon across there seven miles away is the colorado river. It gives you the statistics. I think it's 450 feet wide and about 45 feet deep. It's seven miles away. It doesn't look so far.

The floor of the canyon is a mile deep so that if you're down there you'll have rocks to climb a mile high on any side. And you can't get up that way because there's the river. And then there's a great tremendous cliff.

As i looked at that i thought to myself. Or the lord reminded it. Say how would a baby get out of that canyon. A one-year-old child a two-year-old child could never get out of it. Sure couldn't swim the river it goes so fast.

He couldn't climb the crags. They're far too steep and difficult. And just as i thought about i thought of the early church. It was walled in on this side by the greatest military machine in the world up to that day.

It was walled in on this side with the intellectual greatness of the greeks. It was obstructed away there by the jews who believed they alone had a monopoly of god. Remember that they were. They were shedding bloody sacrifice every day.

There was a given hour when the priest went in his royal rogues there into the temple. And they believed he alone could speak with god. And he alone spoke with god once a year for one people you know what i think the marvel and the mystery and the majesty of prayer has escaped us.

Because if you've been a jew in that dispensation even today only one man could meet god. And you. And i can meet him anywhere at any time that we want to go. He is made as a kingdom of priests unto god.

And peter and john are exercising their royal prerogatives. Not only did i took what's right when i surveyed the wondrous cross i guess his best known hymn but he also wrote the hymn jesus shall reign wherever sun that its successive journeys run his kingdom stretch from shore to shore till moon shall wax and wane.

No more blessings abound wherever he reigns. The prisoner leaps to lose his chains. The weary find eternal rest and all the sons that want are blessed. And then he goes on. He finishes it by saying in him christ.

The tribes of adam boast more blessings than their fathers lost. You can tell me as much as you like and butted in my ears a million times a day if you like about the total depravity of man. And tell me about sin.

And tell me about the tide of iniquity running against us. And i'm just sharp back in your face that greater is he that is in us and he that is in the world. But the thing is we don't switch on that power.

All we needed a bit of grace to get through today lord. Don't let anybody hurt us while we're driving. And don't let us hurt anybody else. And isn't it awful. Gasoline's going up five cents. We can say all those things and forget you know what we lie.