SRR #52 | Bill Nye Destroys The Culture

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I do a podcast. I'm not interested in your podcast. These are these are wolves truth be told that I oftentimes lay awake at night trying to figure out how
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I can get rid of wolves in the church. We are unabashedly unashamedly
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Clarkian and so the next few statements that I'm going to make I'm probably going to step on all of the
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Vantillian toes at the same time and this is what we do at Simple Riff around the radio you know we are polemical and polarizing
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Jesus style. I would first say that to characterize what we do as fashion is itself fashion.
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It's not hate it's history it's not fashion it's the Bible. Jesus said woe to you and men speak well of you for their fathers used to treat the false prophets in the same way as opposed to blessed are you when you have been persecuted for the sake of righteousness.
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It is on we're taking the gloves off it's time to battle. All right welcome back everybody this is
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Tim from Simple Riff around the radio and I have with me today somebody who is new to our podcast.
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I think that a lot of people out there are gonna know who he is but we're trying to bring him on board with Simple Riff around the radio so let me go ahead and introduce him and then just ask him to tell us a little bit about himself.
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With us we have Joe Lanza. Did I say is it Lanza or Lonza? Both is fine.
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Both is fine all right well Joe is here with us and he is an admin you're an admin right or you a moderator for the
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Bible Thumping Wingnut Facebook group? Technically I'm a moderator but in essence it's the same thing
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I just can't delete Tim Hurd. Yeah I think that would be a
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I think that's a no -no that would be a mutiny. Well anyways Joe is pretty active on the
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Facebook page and so if you follow the Bible Thumping Wingnut group then I think that you would already know who he is.
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He's been on he's been on Council of Google Plus before with those guys and and so I think
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I think he's a pretty good fit because he's a Reformed Baptist and he's Clarkian and so I think he's a he's a pretty good fit for our podcast.
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I'm trying to get him to come on with us and this doesn't mean that we're replacing any of the guys that we have on here.
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We're still hanging with Joseph when when we get the opportunity and Carlos when we get the opportunity and I think
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I'm recording with Tim Coffman tomorrow. Man that guy has some excellent excellent content.
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We're just so grateful that he can that he's willing to put his material on our podcast and believe we're gonna do a we're gonna do a couple of more episodes with him on Roman Catholicism and then
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I think we're gonna go into eschatology so that's gonna be fun. That's I think that's gonna be really really fun.
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Tim has probably influenced my eschatological views more than anybody else that I can think of so I'm very grateful to have him as a friend and just have him on the podcast but today
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I want to give Joe an opportunity to introduce himself, tell us a little bit about who you are, where you're from.
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I know that you're Reformed Baptist but where you fall theologically so let me give you an opportunity to say hello
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Joe. Oh thanks for having me on and hey everybody out there that's listening and just I guess a little bit about myself is
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I'm from the Warren, Ohio area. Warren, Ohio is just a little bit south of Cleveland for people that aren't familiar with the
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Ohio area. I was born and raised there, pretty much grew up in a you know a lower middle -class family and I you know
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I learned how to how to love the Lord through my parents and I really
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I didn't become saved until I was about 15 years old. I was
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Christian -like from you know from birth but it wasn't until I was about 15 that I actually understood my sinfulness before God and just my pure inability to to live up to his standards without his son.
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So about the time I was 16 I had left the church that we my parents and I were attending and shortly after they followed.
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I would even consider that church now to be cult -like very much leaning toward Pelagianism, works righteousness, softly
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King James only -est even though they wouldn't flat -out say that it's you only go with the
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King James that would kind of be the go -to Bible for them though and then
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I ended up meeting the woman that would become my wife and I am a five -point
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Calvinist and I do happen to hold to a type of charismaticism.
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I'm probably less charismatic than somebody like Matt Slick but definitely more charismatic than somebody like Jordan Hall for example which isn't really saying much because he'd consider himself nearly cage -stage when it comes to cessationism.
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So anyways yeah I've been a Calvinist for about three years or two or three years something like that and just I haven't made a whole lot of people around me too happy with that but I think slowly but surely people are kind of understanding what
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I believe in a little bit better and specifically in my area I've I've I told them that Ohio Fire last year not this past year but the one before I told them that that was the first time
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I had ever actually stepped foot into a church that wasn't Arminian. I believe that that church was
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Calvinistic in their soteriology and that would have been the first time I ever met another
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Calvinist in person. So let me ask you a couple of questions. The church that you're attending is
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Arminian or are they Calvinist? No they are Arminian. So you wouldn't be able to lead anything in that church right?
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I mean. Oh no I do. You do. I lead the evangelism team.
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I take them out and we go out and talk to people in the parks and we've gone to different like major events in the area and I'll go out and open -air preach.
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And so they know that you're a Calvinist and they let you lead evangelism? Yep. That's good to know.
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So your parents left the church that they were going to before when you were a kid. What was the reason that they left that church?
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For them it was a number of reasons. Some of it was kind of church politics.
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Other portions were they they were seeing, I would say, a bit of corruption of power with the pastor involved and everything.
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I've never, I don't like getting into it too much with talking to them about it because it's kind of a hot -button topic for them still.
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They've been in and out of churches ever since and it kind of it kind of gets to them a little bit
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I think in how they they understand church government is a little bit different than mine so then we end up getting into those conversations.
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My parents are not Reformed. I do believe both of them to be saved.
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They were saved in the mid -1980s or so but yeah they so that their views are a little bit different than mine and as far as I understand that mainly some corruption issues were their problem.
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I actually didn't even leave myself for any theological reasons.
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I left because of an accident that happened in the church and it caused the death of somebody and I knew that my pastor would have pretty much preached a sermon on how how we have to pretty much live better lives or the same thing will happen to us and I just kind of I kind of saw it coming and I just decided that day that I wasn't going to go back and I've never gone back ever since.
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Well thank you for sharing that. I was actually going to ask if your parents go to the same church as you but you already answered that question.
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That's good man. Well I'm glad to hear that you're Calvinist.
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I know that we talked about a little bit about where you stand theologically. So you said that you're a
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Reformed Baptist when we talked. What do you mean when you say that you're Reformed and what do you mean when you say that you're a
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Reformed Baptist? Well specifically I think the the most
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Reformed thing about me would be my soteriology being that I am a
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Calvinist. As I study I'm finding more that I hold closer to the 1689
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Latin Baptist Confession but considering I haven't put any deep study into the actual confession itself
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I could hold to 50 % or 90%. I'm not really sure exactly how much of it
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I agree with. I'm assuming based on the fact that the majority of the
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Reformed Baptist people that actually go to Reformed Baptist churches that I agree with largely everything that they believe in.
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Obviously like I said I hold to the five points. I hold a soft charismaticism but I'm being told more and more as I articulate my position that I actually am a cessationist that just doesn't realize that I'm a cessationist yet which
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I'm not completely sure that that's the case. As far as the
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Reformed ecclesiology I would always prefer the Reformed position that there be multiple elders, that the elders be the ones that enact church discipline and so on.
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Actual Matthew 18 church discipline being brought about in the church would be ideal.
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Male leadership so on and so forth.
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Just generally the Reformed Baptist position as far as I know without cessationism.
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Yeah that's good man. I've been told the same thing that I'm really a cessationist.
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I just need to go a little bit further in the scriptures. Carlos and I probably disagree on that a little bit because I'm leaning more one way and he's leaning in the opposite way.
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We're glad to have you man. Let's go ahead and do this. Let's go ahead and play the commercials that we've got and we'll be back after that to get into what we're gonna get into.
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Thank you Joe for taking the time to share all of that with us. So let's go ahead and do this.
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We decided that we were going to talk today about Bill Nye the Science Guy and we're specifically going to tackle one of the episodes in his new
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Netflix TV show Bill Nye Saves the World. This is really the only episode from this that I've seen because I decided that I wanted to address it and I'm not a fan of Bill Nye.
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I'm not a fan of the show. I think the show is pretty lame, possibly even blasphemous because it's
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Christ who is our Savior. So even just the premise gets me a little bit annoyed but I decided that I wanted to address this because I've seen a lot of the stuff from this episode popping up on Facebook.
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There's a horrendous awful dance number that came out of this.
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There's a little segment on ice cream flavors but it was about sexuality and it was about gender being on a spectrum and so I'd asked
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Joe to to jump on here with me and so that way we could talk about it. We could tackle it but Joe let me just get your first impressions from watching the episode.
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What did you think about what you saw? It was rough. I just think in general like I almost want to go back and watch the old
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Bill Nye the Science Guy shows just to see if the nostalgia of it is what
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I remember or if the actual quality of the show is what I remember because I remember those shows being pretty good.
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They were entertaining and well done but this was just from a production value it was terrible.
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From reality it was terrible. From what's considered to be science terrible.
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Just all around was bad. I think that the the script that they have is bad.
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I think the topic that they have is bad. I think their conclusions the way that they come to their conclusions all of it's just really bad and it's kind of rude and vulgar on top of it.
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Yeah certainly they're trying to be edgy they're trying to be provocative. I find it very irritating.
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We have a Netflix account and I usually watch stuff off of Amazon.
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We have an Amazon Prime disc and with that comes Netflix and man after going and looking at this
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I've been thinking about I need to sit down and go through it again because I've been thinking about canceling
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Netflix and the reason why is because you can't decide to censor any of the stuff that they're promoting on Netflix and that bothers me because I have a four -year -old who's now learning how to use the remote control and so he can he can go into there's a kids app and then there's an adult app but sometimes he can go into the adult app and he can see things on there that I just do not want him seeing.
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Even in just the the promotion of certain shows like one of them
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I don't even know the name of it my wife was telling me about it but it's about the whole show's premise is about transgenderism and I think it's about a dad who becomes a mom or something like that and it's pretty disgusting and when when
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I saw the Bill Nye the Science Guy episode I wanted to give him a one -star rating just just to do it just to give him a one -star rating but unfortunately
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I think after Amy Schumer's flop of a comedy routine on Netflix if you're not familiar it was a kind of a big deal for her.
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Amy Schumer had a comedy skit on Netflix and it got a one -star rating and so she complained and basically said that it was all the haters and after this
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Netflix started to redo the way that they do their rating system and so I wasn't able to give
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Bill Nye's episode a one -star rating I wanted to give it I wanted to give it that but I basically rated it with a thumbs down and it was it was
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I think you know you said it appropriately Joe it was it was pretty awful but the there are several main segments in it one of them as I said before was a dance we're not even going to tackle that this this dance was it was awful even even mainstream secularists were criticizing it because it was just so poorly done the the talent was just non -existent and and it was crass and it was it was brutal it was brutal to watch but we were going to tackle two segments from this and one of them was the the ice cream segment and I don't even know how much
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I want to I'm probably gonna play a little bit of this so that that way we can we can tackle what is being said but let's go ahead and start off with that one what do you say
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Joe should we start off with that one or a different one okay so I'm gonna stop it very early but this is a mockery of what
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I would consider to be this this is a mockery of Christianity so let's let's go ahead and play that I'm gonna stop it very early because there's just absolutely no need to play the whole thing all right hold on of course enlightened and forward -thinking but not everyone sees it this way but there are lots of flavors to sexuality right why are we here vanilla damn oh this again come on relax jobs settle everybody settle okay so what has happened
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I'll describe it for our audience what has happened is vanilla has just put up a sign that says ice cream conversion therapy and everyone's saying oh not this again and in the in the little video there's different flavors of ice cream and this is supposed to be representative of sexuality so there's different flavors of sexuality there's different flavors of just just as there are different flavors of ice cream that would be the analogy and and vanilla who is representative of the the the white male
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Christian is is wanting to convert convert everybody to vanilla so that's that's what's going on right now now
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I've spoken to some of you about my theories on the nature of being ice cream which have no basis in science it's the science of feelings and as vanilla
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I feel that I am the most natural of the ice creams and therefore the rest of you should just go ahead and also be vanilla it's the one true flavor stop being strawberry delicious
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Oh Christ look no one can make you stop being strawberry strawberry your strawberry
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I just think if you want to get right with the big ice cream in the sky change your flavor by wishing to be vanilla what if the big ice cream in the sky is chocolate last for me everyone should pretend to be vanilla until they no longer have the urge not to be vanilla all right so I believe he said
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Oh Christ and that was no it was blasphemous and just makes me mad so that's all you need to know that's that's that's it right there that's all we're gonna play the whole thing is garbage it's it's stupid so right there vanilla is is wanting to he says it's it's the science of feeling and then he wants to get everybody else to bend to the band bend to his subjective reality and then strawberry comes in and says oh no like I'm strawberry or you know he doesn't want to change from being strawberry so Joe I want to point something out
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I want to point out how stupid this is Joe what do you notice about strawberry well
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I'm thinking that strawberry is the the homosexual of the group that's you're okay that's fine but what what do you notice about strawberry what color what is what is strawberry oh well he's like pink or red he's strawberry yeah he's objectively strawberry this is why this is so stupid they have to portray strawberry as objectively strawberry and it's almost as if they're going to lose the argument if they don't do this and it's very subtle that what they're doing they're presenting the the vanilla the the
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Christian position as the one who is wanting to put his subjective feelings as as that which is true for everybody else that is not what
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Christianity is that is not what Christianity does Christianity has an objective standard of truth and what's what's so funny is that what what vanilla ice cream is doing in this skit is what the
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LGBTQ community is doing it is not what Christians are doing the LGBTQ community their agenda is they feel it's the science of feeling they feel like you know this guy feels like he's a girl there you're not if you're a male if you're biologically a male you're biologically a male but he feels like he's a girl well then what they're trying to do is they're trying to get everybody else around them to bend to their subjective impression of reality and so what they're doing is it's it's amazing that they're actually doing this that I mean and you have to think about the level of of intellectual engagement with with with the audience because they're not picking up on this they're not realizing wait a minute why is strawberry actually represented as strawberry if you watch the video it is objectively strawberry on the outside not on the inside on the outside and so apparently it's the it's a vanilla guy the the
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Christian who is wanting to reject that okay well objectively on the outside yeah you are strawberry and and I guess he wants to make them vanilla but the
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Christian position is is this that basically what are you objectively are you a man or you are you did
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God make you a man or did God make you a woman and it's a Christian position that that basically says objectively if you're if you're male then you're male and I thought that that was really interesting
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I thought that you know and really this this kind of this goes to show how they're they're forced to steal from the from the
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Christian worldview in order to reject the Christian worldview because they have to acknowledge that the truth is objective and they have to they have to present that in the show if they if they presented a character who's running around saying that he's strawberry but objectively speaking he looks like he's a pistachio then even a child would would look at that and say well
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I don't understand that's you know why is he saying he's strawberry because that's not that's not what strawberry is and so in order to in order to do this they had to represent things as they actually are and then and then twist it and you know you know
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I wrote something out for this just a little little something that I wanted to read let me pull it up the opponents of Christianity must stand on the
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Christian worldview in order to denounce it they must assume its legitimacy in order to declare it illegitimate they must assume its truth in order to declare it false and we see that you know the
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Christian worldview purports that truth is objective that it doesn't really matter what you feel if you feel that you can fly well that doesn't really mean that you can fly
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I think that if they were being consistent then pistachio would have shown up and said
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I was assigned pistachio when
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I was scooped and actually I'm chocolate I'm actually chocolate
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I was just assigned pistachio so the you know the the ice cream maker just you know got it wrong that's that's what he did but they weren't able to do that because at that point
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I think that everybody would recognize how foolish this really is how stupid this really is and so it's better to just mock
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Christianity and mock the the Christian position and and there was a reference to the the ice cream in the sky or something like that and so you know obviously when you're mocking the
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Christian position you're just not not even engaging your mind intellectually there's there's just no intellectual engagement and they're pushing this on to the culture and it's it's completely irrational it's stupid and it doesn't it doesn't even make sense yeah
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I think that it it really it comes down to whether or not those people are actually thinking for themselves are they are they being sheep or are they actually willing to think for themselves and look at it in a way that could be considered objective so if they're not even gonna see the blatant contradiction in their their little cartoon that they made they
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I don't think that they they were looking for consistency I think like you just said I think it was just to mock the
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Christianity I don't think it was any coincidence that people consider vanilla to be boring and that the the
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Christian is the the boring one I also don't think it's any coincidence that amongst all the social justice warrior fandom that that show is going to have that vanilla being the white ice cream is the white ice cream and it's kind of the the cliche well
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Christians are just white people that are trying to oppress you know the the might the minorities of the world yeah and basically the the whole the whole thing is a false analogy perhaps maybe this would have been better suited for racial segments you know on race because there are and I know that you know we're all one race you know
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I agree with what Ken Ham and answers in Genesis has to say about that but you know with with different skin tones you have you know darker skin tones lighter skin tones you have you know people different people groups from different places that have different features and so maybe maybe it would have been better suited for something like that or the the it might have worked a little bit better for that but um did you have anything else that you wanted to say about that not really
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I think that it kind of speaks for itself and it's it's silliness I mean to an extent
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I think that it they they're obviously being satirical and they're they're even purposefully caricaturing the the
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Christian worldview and all of the you know all that's the big ice cream in the sky and it's the science of feelings even though I've never heard anybody use the terms science of feeling just it doesn't exist yeah
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I've never heard that either all right so let's go ahead and play the other one this one is pretty bad and I think
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I'm just gonna go ahead and play the whole thing one thing's clear about sexuality there's a lot more going on than meets the eye female or male gay or straight pink or blue we were taught to see these as binary now we're realizing it's more like a kaleidoscope and this stuff isn't just for adults parents know this already kids explore gender expression attraction before they've ever heard of a spectrum take sex we used to think it was pretty straightforward
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X and a Y chromosome for males two X's for females but we see more combinations than that in real life and even for people with just two sex chromosomes hormones can vary wildly so can anatomy what makes someone male or female isn't so clear -cut how about attraction some people argue natural thing is to only be attracted to the opposite sex but in practice it ain't so simple kids some people are gay some are bi some are asexual and some will take whatever they can get know what
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I mean it's another sexy sliding scale when you throw in gender it gets even more colorful by three or four most kids identify with the gender and it doesn't always match the sex they were assigned at birth and a person's gender identity may change over their lifetime and culture is getting us new ways to express all of this how you dress act talk how you present yourself to the world it should be up to you sure this might make things confusing for those who insist everyone pick an
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M or F people we have to listen to the science and the science says we're all on a spectrum our labels our fashion even our washrooms are still catching up to that truth
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I think you'll find when we look at sexuality this way it is more complicated but it's also a lot more honest and it's more interesting
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I learned a lot tonight I mean I'm this cis male guy who's been living in this world but this stuff to me from a scientific standpoint is just cool science is the process by which we understand nature by which we understand our place in the world how we all fit in and so every one of these insights it's just so exciting for me we working together can dare
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I say it save the world so everybody that's our show all right that was that was it that was garbage
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I don't even think Bill Nye's cool anymore Joe first impressions man
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I this this frustrates me a lot it really does he he
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I mean kind of to describe for the people that can't see the video he has four like mannequins kind of set up in in the room and they're all like projected images on them and everything and it it's just not
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I don't know I guess like I was saying before it's not good production quality Bill Nye he's clearly either reading from a script or just has lines memorized and and then the just the worldview that's being put out it can't be held to consistently and it's it's actually rather like to me this would be confusing if I was trying to actually learn what science taught about this
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I don't think I actually would know other than where they stand on it like obviously
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I can tell where they're where they end up and how they conclude but I don't know how they get to the get to the conclusion that they get to well they've already arrived at the conclusion that they're at so let's break this down you you typed up the you transcribed what was said so I'm just gonna go ahead and read it one thing's clear about sexuality there's a lot more going on the meets the eye female or male gay or straight pink or blue we were taught to see these things as binary yeah we were taught that in Bill Nye the
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Science Guy's original TV show back in the 90s and Netflix actually had to pull that from Netflix because people were showing the inconsistency but I just think that's what was the original so show up Bill Nye Bill Nye the
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Science Guy right that was what it was called yeah but this is just it's it's rather silly that he even mentions because he says male or female and obviously that's the binary they don't want to deal with gay or straight they also don't want to deal with that but then they go with pink or blue and that's what that's what one of the inconsistencies is is because the pink and blue that those two divisions for you know pink being for girls and blue being for boys that's not that's just an arbitrary standard a boy can like something pink and it not be a girly thing and vice versa yeah
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I think that's a that's a good point let me uh let me continue reading it says now we're realizing it's more of a kaleidoscope and this stuff isn't just for adults parents know this already kids explore gender expression attraction before they've ever heard of a spectrum take sex we used to think it was pretty straightforward
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X into Y chromosome for males two X's for females and that's actually what
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I think that he put that in there because that's actually what he used to teach on on his
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Bill Nye the Science Guy TV show and he says but we see more combinations than that in real life and even for people with just two sex chromosomes hormones can vary wildly now this is this is a very misleading because the example that he gives is a in the in the episode if you can remind me it was of an animal right he didn't give a human example
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I don't yeah he did the clownfish clownfish that's what it was yeah and so his example of the more combinations is of a fish it's not of a human and this is deceptive and I can't even put into words how bad this is so he gives no examples of of all the different combinations of X and Y why
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I mean I would love to see the evidence he gives no evidence he doesn't demonstrate it scientifically there's no scientific experimentation that's done to to prove these things are to illustrate these things but the example that he gives is of a fish and it just it's it's such a gross error that I think you would literally just have to shut your brain off to not catch it you know he's wanting to talk about human sexuality and the basis for his argument is a fish so that's that's pretty bad let me see ok so he says we see more combinations than that in real life the combinations are not were never given in there were no there are no human examples of this so whatever and hormones can vary wildly sure you know
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I I can I can see that but he says so can anatomy what makes someone male or female isn't so clear -cut yet is how about attraction ok so this this is where I really want to get into this he says how about attraction some people argue the natural thing is to only be attracted to opposite sex but in practice it ain't so simple kids some people are gay some people are by some are asexual and some will take whatever they can get alright so what about the and I'm gonna bring this up because I'm basically imploring the use of an ad hominem reply which is
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I'm basically accepting his his propositions is true for the sake of argument so that I can deduce from them either positions that he would reject or contradictory propositions so I'm going to accept this is true for the sake of argument but what about pedophilia what about those those people that are pedophiles
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I mean they're they're on the they're on the spectrum they would be on the spectrum you know he says attraction isn't so simple what about those people that are attracted to kids and I it's not just that either
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I mean if you're attracted to you know your own sibling or you're attracted to your your family pet
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I mean we couldn't and and this isn't the slippery slope fallacy either
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I mean people want to try to label it as just being the slippery slope fallacy but the reason it's not is because it's the logical outpouring of this man
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I love it when people try to name fallacies and they have no idea what they're talking about I've heard that too and basically what we're doing is we're reducing this to its logical conclusion and we're not the ones who are making the fallacy here but the problem is is that okay you want to say that that the kid issues they're probably gonna say that the kid issue is morally wrong because you're you're hurting an individual right well why is it wrong to hurt somebody else in your worldview why and you bring up some other good examples what about incest what about a person who wants to marry their mom or something like that or a dad who wants to marry his daughter or a dad who wants to marry his son
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I mean this can just go on for days what about all of these examples and if they are on the spectrum which which at every respect
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I think I lost you yeah I have no idea what happened man
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I'm sorry about that so alright so I was in the middle of saying something and my internet kicked off I don't know why but it took a few minutes to to get back online and I forgot where is that I forgot what
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I was saying so we're just gonna move on with the next the next point and what's funny is
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I'll probably I'm gonna have to edit out the dead space in this so I mean it's gonna be once I play back the recording
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I'm gonna be you know able to figure out what I was talking about and wish that I'd continued but um where you were what was it what was it you were talking about whether or not it's we're kind of going down whether it was a slippery slope fallacy to talk about it going into pedophilia and incest and oh yeah that's right yeah yeah and that they would have to implore an arbitrary standard to to say that one that one thing on the spectrum is wrong and to say that another thing on the spectrum is is morally acceptable and so why would why would you know
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I guess the premise is you know that we should accept everything that's on the spectrum but why would we who decides what on the spectrum is is is acceptable morally acceptable and morally good for society and I actually reject the idea the premise that sexuality is on a spectrum
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I think that God makes you male or female and that this is revealed in Scripture from the beginning
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God made them male and female so let's uh let's go ahead and continue reading let me see where were we so I'll start reading from here
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I've already read this part but I'll read it again what makes someone male or female isn't so clear -cut how about attraction some people argue the natural thing is to only be attracted to opposite sex but in practice it isn't so simple kids some people are gay some people are bi some are asexual and some will take whatever they can get if you know what
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I mean it's another sexy sliding scale when you throw in gender it gets even more colorful by three or four most kids identify with a gender and it doesn't always match the sex they are assigned at birth and a person's gender identity may change over their lifetime and culture is getting us new ways to express all of this how you dress how you act and talk how you present yourself to the world should be up to you sure this might make things confusing for those who insist everyone pick an
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M or an F but people we have to listen to the science and the science says we're all in a spectrum so I'll stop right there because I want to address a couple of things
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I think the the first thing that I want to address is probably the last thing that I read right there that science says and science doesn't say anything scientists say something and I would like to know what scientists actually say what real scientists actually say and even then even if there's a majority of scientists who would say this that doesn't really even matter because science is science is not a consensus of the majority and if you if you even know a little bit about the history of science oftentimes it's the one that's the one voice in the wilderness who goes against the grain that is oftentimes the one who is later deemed as the one who is right in the in the scientific world but the whole premise is basically that science has settled the issue you know he doesn't say that science has confirmed it but he says science says we're all in a spectrum and I think at another point in the episode he says the science is settled so what do you take that to mean when
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Bill Nye says the science is settled science says this as though science has reached a conclusion about this
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I take that to mean that science is confirmed that these hypotheses are accurate the hypothesis being that gender is on a spectrum and I take it to mean that somehow
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Bill Nye or the scientific community has has confirmed this hypothesis you think
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I'm saying it right there Joe or am I missing something I mean it's the same thing with Bill Nye and his his climate change the science is settled for him on this and what he means by that is that it's confirmed or it's it's verified that this is actually the case and you and I know as as Clarkians that it's simply impossible to actually verify something using the scientific method and I'm not even sure that that's really what he's claiming because of the way that I go
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I have seen him go about talking about what science does he talks about it in a very very much like a consensus where if if enough scientists get on board with this therefore that's the science that settled and I think that that's where the issue is with him but if if what he was talking about is that the hypothesis actually given by the scientists that he fails to name if that hypothesis is you know is
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P and then then Q and I think what he's doing is he's saying well
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Q is the case therefore P which we both know is asserting or affirming the consequent so let's let's work this out so the hypothesis is that that gender is on a spectrum right and so if gender is on a spectrum then we will see this in nature or we will see different gender expressions in people we do see different gender expressions in people therefore the hypothesis is confirmed the science is settled that that gender is is on a spectrum when in reality that's not true at all
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God has made people male and female and due to the consequences of sin in the fall people have perverted what
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God has has created and so I think you said it right as as Clarkians we would just I would
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I would like to challenge the people what is the site how is science settled on this what is the science behind it what is the evidence behind it how many scientific experiments have you conducted to to verify the results how are you avoiding the fallacy of asserting the consequence by if I presume that they're using the scientific method a lot of people don't realize that the scientific method can really only be used to falsify a hypothesis or a theory the scientific method cannot be used to verify a hypothesis or theory and so I think you also said it right that he usually appeals to a majority of opinion within the scientific community like he does with with climate change but even then he's not cited any any other scientists he's not cited any peer -reviewed scientific works on this it's the same bill nye the quote -unquote science guy that the science settled and that where's the evidence where's are we just supposed to take his word at it this is this is dogmatism that's that's what this amounts to you and it's dogmatism that stems from a false premise that stems from a false axiom axiomatic starting point of false worldview and so there's no reason that the
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Christian should be concerned about about this when they hear things like the science has settled this because a lot of times people use the word science as a as sort of an authority and that's what he's doing it's it's an appeal to authority science is seen as the final arbiter of truth within our culture and because of that you throw out the word science well science says this and people think that you're intelligent people think that you're actually saying something worth listening to and unfortunately this is the worst type of scientific propaganda that could be pushed on a culture right and a few things that he says in this this quick little thing that you read here for instance the sentence that says quote sure this might make things confusing for those who insist everyone pick an
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M or an F end quote now that right there begs the question and the reason why is because he starts off or I'm sorry he ends that that sentence by assuming that his that his premises are already true and and the reason
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I say that is one single word he uses the word pick that you can pick
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M or F but that's that's what he's trying to prove here that's he's trying to show us that we can pick our gender we can pick
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M or F and so what he's saying here is that it's confusing for those of us who insist everyone pick we're not insisting everyone pick we're insisting no one can pick that's a good point yeah and there was there was another segment where he had a three panelists on and I thought
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I was watching the view when this segment came on because it was just pure nonsense there's a man on there and he was talking about his his his son being mislabeled by somebody they referenced his son as a she and then the person became a very apologetic and said it says something to the fact of oh
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I'm sorry I didn't know I didn't realize he was he was a boy and the guy steps back and he says well
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I don't know that he is a boy or said something to that effect and that I think is tantamount to child abuse you've got to be an idiot if you're a parent and you don't know if your boy is a boy or if you don't know if if you're your little if your daughter is a girl you have to be an idiot if you're a parent and you can't help your child with that and what they do
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I think is a lot of these people who've embraced this this worldview is that they instill confusion into their child at an early age and and obviously if this if this man is saying well he doesn't know if his son is a boy he's instilling confusion into his child and unfortunately that's going to wreak havoc on the child as they grow up because I mean
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I remember having a conversation with my my kid when he was like three and he was learning how to talk and we're talking about you know boys and girls and and he was like well is cousin so -and -so a boy or girl and I said cousin so -and -so is a boy well his uncle so -and -so is is is he a boy or is he a girl
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I said no he's a boy I said all dads are boys all mommies are girls and he's like well what about you know my daughter he says is she a girl or a boy and I said no she's a girl and then we moved into our dogs is my dogs autumn and Marley's he's like is is autumn a girl or is autumn a boy
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I said autumn's a girl and then we moved into the fish but you know you you lead your kids through that at the time when they're when they're learning about you know every family has a mommy and a daddy biologically speaking and I know that there's people out there who want to say something completely different but you know every person has a mommy and a daddy biologically speaking and you lead them through that it's like okay these shoes these are mommy shoes these are these are girls shoes those are dad shoes you know when they start trying to walk in in the parent shoes you lead them through that you you instill truth in the child you don't you don't bring about confusion into the child's thinking and it would so stupid as I think that there's like over 50 different genders
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I don't know so I learned from Bill Nye's show that there's binary or non -binary
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I I don't even know what that means the average person on the street they don't even know what that means what what are these other genders there's a there's pans something gender there's it's just so unbelievably stupid and no wonder people are confused yeah
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I'm confused by it because like you said you know we don't we don't assign these things these things are objectively just like the ice cream the ice cream was was objectively it was strawberry well we're not going to deny that a person like Bruce Jenner is objectively male and he's mutilated his body and he's trying to pretend to be something that's different and that's the science of feelings and I'm not obligated to give intellectual assent to that absurdity and I'm not going to yeah
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I think that I mean really it's I think it was um Mark Dice he's like a
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YouTube commentator he kind of reviewed this this whole skit with the ice cream and he he reviewed something
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I think he might have even reviewed this segment I'm not sure but he mentioned how this show being kind of the the sequel in a way to the
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Bill Nye the Science Guy show despite the fact that this isn't really marketed I think by Netflix to kids it is something that kids may want to watch because maybe you know people my age are having kids now and we grew up with Bill Nye the
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Science Guy so maybe we've shown our kids Bill Nye the Science Guy and now they see
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Bill Nye on on Netflix and they go oh let's watch this show and maybe maybe they even thought it was the
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Bill Nye the Science Guy show now they sit there and they watch this this show where like you said you had the disgusting dance number and you have this ice cream cartoon and you have this segment here with the mannequins and you just you're you're getting more and more what you described as child abuse the to me that those this is
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Bill Nye abusing other people's children by teaching them this and it's not just it's not just like oh he's teaching them something
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I don't want them to learn no this these are things that could actually be dangerous to them not just spiritually but just actually in this world physically dangerous
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I you know all all the the the things that we hear about the suicide rates amongst this community and the things that we hear about kids so you see all the the videos and stuff of parents videotaping their kids as their kids come out as a different gender other than the one that they're already a part of you don't think that those kids came up with that idea on their own that they could do that I mean how many times have you heard you know a little girl say
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I'd rather be a boy because she sees her brothers or her friends running around outside in the dirt and she thinks that that's something that only boys can do and then the parent takes that and runs with it yes that's exactly that's exactly right or you know she just wants to go out and play in the mud with them but she has a dress on so she's saying well
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I wish that I was a boy so that I could go do that because mom you know because I have a dress on look this is this is nothing less than abuse abuse of a child and I really wish that these people would repent and come to come to know the gospel and come to believe in in Jesus Christ I think you know
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Joe this this really bugs me because it you're dealing with kids you're and I think that they realize that you know if they win the next generation which
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I think that they are culturally speaking winning winning over the next generation to this ideology that if you win the next generation then you've you've won the the cultural battle and that's why these things are are put in a way that is appealing to kids like you said and it gets me really upset because you know
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I have a heart for kids I have a heart for for little ones that they that they would come to know the truth that they would come to know
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Christ and man it's just it's it's sad to see what some parents are doing to their kids it really really is so you know
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I don't even want to finish reading the rest of this garbage I know that there's a couple of more sentences but let me just ask you is there anything else that you would want to address with with this topic well
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I think most importantly I think maybe even I mean obviously
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I would say chances are Bill Nye is never gonna watch this but I would
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I would offer something directly to him that I think that he needs to start providing actual factual information like actually give us the studies show us you know these different these different names that are these ones that are listed among the scientists and then
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I would also say that for him that really ultimately
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I'm not gonna be able to convince him I haven't really made too many counter arguments
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I could there's a there's a ton of counterarguments that I could make here but really none of them are really that important unless he and the people that would otherwise listen to him repent they need to repent no no point in the
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Bible does it tell us that somehow a spiritual arguments going to convince someone prior to their their conversion they need to repent they need to come to Jesus Christ and Jesus Christ alone for their salvation you know that we even see these things these are this is this is an attempt of Bill Nye to raise his his his morality higher he believes that this is the the moral thing to do this is this is acting altruistically on his part and yet even if that's the case even if that's that's his intention you know if he were to present that before God despite the fact that he's wrong on on this actually being a moral good he could still try to present his intentions and I think that's really what he's doing he wants his his intentions to be seen as something good and I know that he's not specifically saying that he's trying to work his way to heaven or anything like that but that's ultimately what we all do we
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Andrew Rappaport says it best I think that Christianity is the only religion in the world that is not works -based and that includes
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Bill Nye's atheism atheism is very much a works -based religion it's very much a faith and that faith also comes with works you have to you have to believe in the science and you have to have these works but I would like to tell
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Bill Nye that you do not have to work for your salvation
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Mr. Nye I believe that you know the God of the Bible and I believe that you're in rebellion against him and that I call you to repent and come to know the actual
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Jesus the actual person who was that perfect example of altruism and morality and I think that's most important in all of this yeah definitely and we would want to let all of our listeners know that the the only reason that we would say these things is because we love the truth and we love our
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God and we want to be faithful to him but out of that comes a heart to reach people for the truth and to reach people for it for Christ and so with that we're gonna go ahead and end today's episode
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I want to say thank you to Joe for coming on with me today to talk about this nonsense
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I know that it was a it was painful having to sit through watching that Joe watching the the whole episode but I'm grateful that you did so that way you could give us your perspective on it and I want to remind everybody that you can reach us at Semper .ReferManda
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I think that's pretty neat but anyways I hope you have a blessed week and we will check you next time