Worship God in Spirit And Truth — Shane Idleman

Pastor Shane Eidelman. I pastor a church in the Antelope Valley. And I believe there's still hope for California. And we're contending in that area. I actually pastor a church in a little Tuckbeck community called Leona Valley.

If you know Palm Village, you just go west for about nine miles back in the Rolling Hills. It's just a beautiful area. And we are doing something different this morning. You ready for this? We are also taking this live stream into our church.

So we have West Side Christian Fellowship is also watching this message live. We've got it on our different Facebook pages, Rumble, YouTube, Twitter. And we just want to try it out to see how that works with our new simulcast system.

So they are joining us as well. And I'm excited to be here. I have an important topic, though, that is really in this time, it's so critical. And that is the topic of worship. Worship. And, of course, many of you know the famous verse John 4, 7 through 26 is where I'm going to be.

Worshiping God in Spirit and Truth

Worship God in spirit. Oh, we can't forget about that second part. And truth. Our culture, what you see happening around us, is a direct result of walking away from the truth. The absolute truth of God's Word.

Truth rebuilds. Truth holds things together. It's the gauge. It's what we must look through our lens of truth. And so when we worship God, it's through the spirit and in truth. And I want to unpack that for a minute.

But as always, anytime you read Scripture, this will really help you. Make sure you read it in context. Context. The Bible was not written with chapter and verses. It was actually just written and then we added about 500 years ago.

I'm glad we did. But you have to really look at the context of something because you can have it say anything. Correct? Sometimes, you know, when I'm preaching, people say, hey, don't you know you're not to judge?

Don't judge. Well, you might want to keep reading. It says, I can judge once I get my own heart right. When I err on the side of grace and love and I remove the plank from my eye and come with the spirit of humility, then I'm actually called to judge, to make discernments on what is going on in our culture.

And so where we find ourselves is John 4, verse 7 through 9. A woman from Samaria came to draw water. Jesus said to her, give me a drink. For his disciples had gone away into the city to buy food. The Samaritan woman said to him, how is it that you, a Jew, ask for a drink from me, a woman of Samaria?

For the Jews have no dealing with the Samaritans. Now, we're going somewhere very important in just a minute. But again, I want to get there. And it's just interesting. Even Jesus was thirsty. And if we had time, we could go to a lot of different verses that really show his humanity and his divinity.

He was tempted in all points, the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eye, the pride of life, but was without sin. And so we see he was thirsty. There was a need there. And in our own lives, what you're going to see as I keep going, there's a physical thirst and there's a spiritual thirst.

And they often parallel. As David would say, as a deer pants for the living brook, that water, that life-giving water. So my soul pants for thee. There's a hunger, there's a thirst, there's a desire.

And if we could get the church just thirsty again for God, you might see a revival sparking up, especially in California, where there's a desire to get to church, to prayer meetings, to petition God, calling us back to holiness and repentance in these beautiful terms that sometimes we threw aside because we don't want to offend anyone.

And if we stop to consider that we might be offending God, when we avoid these foundational truths, and he's going to talk here a little bit about long-term satisfaction. Of course, we know that water is just a temporary satisfaction.

Anybody drink and then you get thirsty again. It's the way that happens. But with God, something happens that's a little bit different. You're thirsty and you take of that water and now you want more water.

And I take of that water, I want more. Those who hunger and thirst for righteousness shall be filled. There's an ongoing, the more I consume of worship and the word and wanting to serve God, the hungrier I become for him.

So if you're not hungry for God this morning, it could be that you might want to look at your spiritual diet. And what are we putting in versus what we should be putting in? And then Jesus answered her, if you knew the gift of God, who it is, that he's saying to you, give me a drink, you would have asked him and he would have given you living water.

If you only knew, and I'll just make a confession to you. I try to gauge it down a little bit when I speak at other places, but I get a little passionate, a little worked up because the living God has transformed my life.

Shouldn't there be a passion? Shouldn't there be a desire? I was lost, but now I'm found. I was blind, but now I see I hated God, but now I love him. Shouldn't that all-consuming fire also come out from the pulpit?

There's a passion, there's a desire, and that's what I want to say. If you only knew, if you only knew, if you come and drink of this water, you will never thirst again. No matter what you're battling, addictions and anxiety and fear and depression and what is going on in our world, just come and drink of the living water.

If you only knew. The old saints would call it the fully surrendered life. Anyone ever heard of that? The fully surrendered life. And the woman said to him, Sir, I have nothing to draw from. Or you have nothing to draw with.

And the well is deep, where do you get this living water? Where do you get this? And I want to just encourage someone this morning that it's okay to question God if the heart is right. I'm not talking about the question like, well, I don't believe in this.

If you're really real, show me. I don't think you could do that. They see the heart's wrong. Critical spirit. But if you say, Lord, I don't understand. Anybody say, I don't know what's going on in this country.

I don't understand. Lord, I don't understand a lot of your word. And I don't understand. Why is this happening to me? Why am I doubting? Why? Lord, help me understand. See, that kind of questioning is good.

And she had a desire there. Show me, Lord. Show me more. And you have to take action. She asked. Asked the question. And if I had time, I would take you to the famous Bible verse that is so important.

You have not because you. And we sometimes think, oh, that house, that car. I think it has more to do with this spiritual needs and knowing God intimately. And of course, having, you know, Lord, I need provision.

Financial situation, you know, Palos Verdes here compared to where I'm at. A little bit different financially, you know. So just saying. And so we see there's a difference there. There's asking, Lord, I need help.

We have not because we ask not. Could it be that we're not experiencing more of the power of God in our lives? Because we don't ask for it. Where do you get this living water? Living water. There's so much to say about this topic.

Spiritual Thirst and the Living Water

But I want to just throw this out there this morning or whenever you're listening. Are you stagnant? Spiritually speaking, are you are you dry? And what does that look like? Well, there's really no hunger for the things of God.

There's. Bible's kind of boring. I'll get to church when it makes sense. Worship is not really, you know, I don't know. It's kind of I don't I can't relate to those worshipers. And there's there's a there's a barrenness that sets in talking to believers right now.

Sometimes there's a there's a barrenness that sets in. When the Bible should be the most active living book on the planet. It is. The word of God is active, sharper than a double edged sword. It pierces.

It divides. It is living. And there's a spiritual hunger. And when we don't have that, we become critical. Anybody ever been there or just me? Where I can become judgmental, Jerry. Critical Kathy. And don't come up and let me know your name's Kathy or Jerry.

I don't know anyone here. OK, but if the shoe fits, wear it. But that that critical spirit comes in judgmental, angry. Popping off to your kids, to your spouse. I'm just dry. I'm dry spiritually. God, that living water is so important.

Jesus said, if you drink of this water, you will never thirst again. If you believe on me, as the scriptures say, out of your belly will flow rivers of living water. So does it not beg the question? Where is this living water?

Why are we dead in church? Why there's no excitement for prayer meetings and getting on fire for God and coming back to the truth of his word and a zeal to witness. Here's another good thing. If you haven't talked about Jesus in a while.

There's a good thing. That's a good indication that there's a spiritual barrenness is set in. And again, I'm not preaching at you or to you. I could sit in that that pew as well. Or here you got chairs.

I might mess up a little bit and things like that. So there's when the barrenness sets in and you know it, it's spiritual death. Help me. Help me remember who said this. I think it's pretty famous. Be hot or cold.

But if you're lukewarm, I will spew you out of my mouth. Jesus is saying that there should be a hunger and a desire for more of God, a passion for more of God. And this whole concept when I talk about in spirit and in truth, I'm not going to get into any controversial things.

But I believe that the neglected doctrine of pneumatology is really affecting the churches. That's a study of the Holy Spirit, the proper understanding of the Holy Spirit. And when you're full of the Holy Spirit, guess what bubbles out?

A love for God, a love for his word, a love for others. You want to tell people about him. And so spiritual barrenness is set in in the churches of America. In many cases, that hunger, that desire, that zeal is gone.

And as I often say, if you don't like what I'm saying, it's probably because you need to hear what I'm saying. The conviction of the Holy Spirit. Don't ignore it. And she said, are you greater? Verse 12, are you greater than our father Jacob?

He gave us this well and drank from it himself and his sons and his livestock. And she didn't even see what he was talking about. Well, what are you talking about? I have no idea what you're talking about.

And this is a good reminder that your faith is something that we can't see it as you're trusting in God. You say, Shane, the spiritual hunger, I don't see it. You won't see it. It's not something you can grasp physically.

It's an internal change of the heart. And then from that, there's the passion, the desire for God. Those who worship God must worship him in spirit and in truth. And so Jesus said to her, everyone who drinks of this water will be thirsty again.

But whoever drinks of the water that I will give him, he will never be thirsty. The water that I will give him will become in him a spring of water, welling up into eternal life. Now, listen, either the scriptures are true and there's a lot missing in the lives of many Christians or the scriptures are not true and deadness and barrenness is commonplace.

And the Bible really doesn't speak to it. And of course, you know where my position is. Scriptures are inerrant, inspired, the truth of God's word, the absolute truth of God's word. Times change. Truth does not.

We often say it's our logo. But think about that. Thirsty again. You will never be thirsty again. And sometimes people misunderstand. Shane, I'm on fire for God. I'm loving God. But I'm going through a challenge.

I'm going through this. And this doesn't mean you're going to live a perfect life. It just means the void has been filled. I'm no longer searching for an alcohol or drugs or this or new age or the occult or witchcraft or Satanism.

I have found the living water and I will never thirst again. My direction is crystal clear. My Savior died on that cross on Calvary. He is my rock. He sustains me. He anchors me. He is the only hope in this world that has gone chaotic.

God's sovereignty is my sanity. And that's living water. That's the living water. You will never thirst again. Once you have that power of the Holy Spirit in your life, there's a love for God. I'm not going to go find and look for anything else.

That's why the enemy pulls you away from God. He pulls you away from that fountain of living water. He pulls you away from that. And the old Shane Idleman knocks at the door. Does your old nature ever call you back?

Oh, remember those good times? Why don't you show me the bad times? He presents the bait and then you take the bait and then the hook. He's got you. What I believe the enemy wants to do in the lives of most Christians is give them a certificate of non-operation.

Anybody work at the DMV? Hey, I need to go get a certificate of non-operation. My car is going to be sitting in the driveway for the next couple of years doing nothing, taking no one anywhere, no family life inside of it, nothing.

And so if a believer, if he could just knock me out, I will not witness for him, I will not live for him, I will not pursue him, I will become critical, and I will just live this life absent of the fullness of the Spirit.

Repentance and Returning to God

That's why there's a hunger and a thirst. But praise God, God doesn't say, you know what, in a couple of months from now, as long as you follow this checklist, one thing can happen this morning. I'm going to talk about and give you one word, the most controversial word right now in the churches of America.

It's why popular pulpits, they won't even touch this word. You ready for it? It starts with an R. Repentance. Repentance. I'm changing my mind and now I'm changing my direction. I was walking away from Christ, but today I'm leaving here with a renewed passion.

Oh God, give me that fire. Give me that zeal. I'm repenting and I'm turning back to you. And the fire of God can come upon your life again. It's why that famous hymn, I was lost, but now I'm found. I was blind, but now I see.

John Newton, slave trader. And of course, we look at John 7, 38. Whoever believes in me. This is so important. I don't know if you can see it up there. Whoever believes in me. Here's the key. As the Scripture has said.

Thank God they add that. Yeah, I think Jesus is a good teacher. I believe in God. He's everywhere and in the trees. I believe that. No, as the Scripture has said. If you believe in me, what does the Scripture say?

Repentance must take place. We must see Jesus as Savior, as the Lord of our life. Not just a good teacher. Not just a butler that gets us what we want. God is not a cosmic ball of love. This is the Lord Jesus Christ.

And we believe on Him as the Scripture has said. And then as a result, out of your belly will flow rivers of living water. Life sustaining, life giving, life altering, life shaping water. And I think, I mean, I get labeled this a lot.

You know, Shane, you're just too extreme. You're too emotional. I'm not emotional. You're just emotional. Well, you express anger real well. Is anger not an emotion? You got pretty excited Super Bowl Sunday.

Shouldn't we have an intense passion and desire for God? And as I tell people, I mean, some of you have never heard me, so some of this stuff will be repetitive to our audience. But by nature, I'm conservative.

I don't like when God busts my emotional bubble. And I begin to cry or weep before preaching or during sermons. I've got my MacArthur Study Bible. But when the power of the Holy Spirit comes upon you, and Christ is an all-consuming passion and desire in your life, you will have a passion and a desire.

And the irony is when people say this, well, that's just too extreme, that's just this or that, that actually resembles the early church. We have died so much spiritually that now what we call, we call what is extreme what the early church called normal.

Normal Christianity is now called extreme. Don't be a holy roller. Don't get too out there, brother. I don't know what that means, but I want all of God, the fullness of the Spirit. How do many people live a life today void of the passion of God in their life, the purpose, the filling of the Spirit in these dire times?

And then the woman said, verse 15, oh, she's ready now. Oh, sir, give me this water. Give me this water. Man, I love her heart. I love her heart. Because as a pastor, I see this a lot. You know, this happens.

I'll give a message like this, and people will come up, and we're going to have prayer afterwards. I would love to pray for you even if I have to go into the next service praying for people. I believe in the power of the prayer.

I believe that prayer can change the course of our nation and the course of our state. Governor Newsom does not have the final authority. God and God alone has the final authority. We are to pray for our leaders and love them and cherish them.

But what does God say? What does God say? But people come up, and they'll say, oh, I need that. Just like the woman, just like her, I need that living water. Would you pray for me? I'm dry. I'm dead. I'm stagnant.

Would you pray for me? And then when she leaves, here comes Judgmental Jerry. You know, I've been a Christian for years, and I just don't know about what you had to say. I go to church when I can't. Excuses, blah, blah, Charlie Brown.

Listen, I don't know how else to preach other than to be direct. I'm not seeker-sensitive because sometimes we need to wake us up to take action. Judgmental Jerry needs to repent. Excuses, excuses, excuses.

Get rid of the excuses this morning and say, Jesus, give me that living water of which I will never thirst again. This depression is killing me, this anxiety, this fear. I'm caught in these addictions.

Oh, Christ, would you set me free? I'm coming back to the Father. Anybody ever ate with the pigs? You can relate to the prodigal, waking up in your vomit, making terrible decisions. Many of us should be dead by now.

But the grace of God, oh, don't get me wrong, I love, I thank God for the grace of God. It's grace that's brought me here thus far. It'll be grace that takes me home. But did you know that the grace of God has to be balanced with the truth of God?

Either one of those will tilt you in an unhealthy direction. They call this easy grace. And, hey, I can just keep doing what I'm doing. God's grace, man, I don't care. No, you're actually abusing grace and taking advantage of it.

Or this side, all truth. You know the all truth guys? Right? Ah, it's just the truth. Just the truth. They beat you up with the truth. I saw you sin last night. I'm going to put on my sin sniffer badge.

I'm going to walk around, and I'm just a truth guy. So you have to have both of those, spirit and truth. The fruit of the spirit. There was a desperation in her. Sir, give me this water. Give me this water that I will never be thirsty again.

But let me give you a warning here. Sometimes we can be so thirsty that we'll consume anything. So thirsty we'll consume anything. Be careful spiritually. It has to be underneath the filter of God's Word, the discernment of God's Word.

Everything has to filter through that. Verse 16, Jesus said to her, go call your husband and come here. Jesus answered him, I have no husband. I'm sorry, the woman answered him. I have no husband. Jesus said to her, you're right in saying I have no husband, for you have had five husbands.

I just realized Jesus would often go to the broken, the humble, the lost. You have to see your need, folks. You have to see your need. And the one you have now is not your husband. Jesus didn't avoid her.

Oh, you're living together. I'm out of here. He met her where she was at. Grace and truth, remember? Grace and go with them with the truth. You don't compromise the truth. The woman said, yeah, I'm not married and I perceive that you are a prophet.

Now, a couple things happened here. Either it was a validation that he was somebody, obviously, a prophet, or he also could have been getting her ready for that wonderful word I just talked about, repentance.

Because in order to really, if you really want to help people, really want to help people, you have to speak the truth in love. And sometimes we don't want to really avoid, we don't want to, man, that's going to hurt a little bit.

Yeah, it's got to hurt a little bit. I have to step on toes so you move your foot. There has to be a little bit of, oh, man, the Lord spoke truth to me. And now because of that, I need to repent. So that's what could be going on here.

We're not exactly sure. And then verse 20, our fathers worshiped on this mountain. Okay, our fathers worshiped on this mountain, but you say, Jesus, that Jerusalem is the place we ought to worship. Jesus said, woman, believe me, the hour is coming when neither on this mountain nor in Jerusalem will you worship the Father.

You worship what you do not know. We worship what we know, for salvation is of the Jews. All right, guys, guess what? This is where the worship wars began. You know what the worship wars are? Okay, well, I'll tell you.

Worship Is a Person, Not a Place

As a pastor, it's one of the hardest things is to balance worship, because you have the old hymns that many of us love. You remember that sawdust trail? I remember Billy Graham walking that sawdust trail and the organs and Amazing Grace and all the famous hymns, How Great Thou Art, and that's when you come to the Lord with those, and they are your spiritual life.

That's, oh, man, that's mine. But then, if you just come to the Lord singing contemporary, and you put on these songs that draw you into the Lord, oh, I just love this. I can't really relate to the organ and hymnals.

And this guy says this, I can't really relate to the, you know, man, that's a little loud. Where's the theological grounding? And so the worship wars. So let me help you with this. Very easy. Don't judge people based on preference.

Don't judge people based on preference. We all prefer certain things. Now, if the worship is theologically not good and maybe a little too, you know, it's over the top, then, yeah, the elders have to bring that in to what would be a biblical model for this type of church.

The word worship deals with our posture and the reflection of our heart. In verse 23, but the hour is coming. Jesus is saying here, but the hour is coming. And now it's here. This is amazing. For 1600 years, they would worship at this location.

And Jesus said, but now the hour is here. They went from a place to worship to now a person of worship. Oh, this is incredible. You don't need to go here or there. The place and the person of Jesus Christ residing in the believer's heart.

This is a place of true worship. And he said, this is when true worshipers, true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth. Only took me 28 minutes to get here. For the Father is seeking, the God, the Father is looking for people to worship Him.

Is that amazing? And those who worship Him, they must worship Him in spirit and in truth. What does it mean to worship God in spirit? I think we've got a quote up there from Sam Storms. He's going to be on my podcast hopefully next month.

We're going to talk about end times theology. And I think he might even have the article or not, it might be out on the table that he wrote. I got permission from him. He said this, to say that we must worship God in spirit means that it must originate from within.

See, true worship is not this. Or even this. This. Or whatever your posture is. True worship is from within, from the heart. It must be sincere, motivated by love for God and gratitude. Worship cannot be mechanical or formalistic.

Have you ever heard the term going through the motions? That's not genuine, heartfelt, spirit-led worship. This type of worship is heartfelt. It's real. It's genuine. It's true. It's a sincere pursuit of God.

And I've noticed over the years also when it comes to worship, I'm kind of conservative, but I see people sometimes are more expressive than I like. Like, hey, settle down. Oh, pastor, I just got my report that my cancer's gone.

Oh, pardon me. Worship. You see? Why are you weeping? Come on, it's a little distracting. My marriage is being restored. Hey, hey, hey, hey, don't get too carried away. Can you go to the prayer room with some of that?

I haven't touched crystal myth in 30 days. I've never done this. I can see my kids now. Be careful. Just because we don't express it doesn't mean God isn't working in their hearts. But that doesn't mean expressive worship is biblical either.

Why? Because it's within. What's God doing within the heart? Rigid, formal, mechanical. Worship should not be a duty. It needs to be a delight. And this is actually why it's an important point. This is why many cults, you know what a cult is, why they look the same no matter where you go.

You go to this place in Nebraska. You go to this place in Oklahoma. Same thing. Same exact thing. Mechanical. Rigid. And I just had this complaint leveled against me but I won't say the belief of this person.

Look at all those denominations. You can't be a real church in the Christian church. Well, number one, I tend to agree that the body of Christ is one body. But God allows within that differences where things will...

Lutheran, what Lutheran taught. Calvinist, Presbyterian. Wesley, Methodist. It's gonna be a little hard for the Reformed to worship with the Charismatic. So God, different denominations. And there's a healthy, vibrant, living church.

It's gonna look different. My services look a lot different. After this service, our altar is full. People are crying out to God. Our service might flow into the next service. But then I go other places.

There's passionate people doing different other things. See, it's a living, growing, organic expression of worship from within. What the Holy Spirit is doing. Or Baptists, those services are different too.

Five Heart Checks for Genuine Worship

So I'm gonna just give you five heart check takeaways. Number one, worship was a place. She did such a great job on these too. I appreciate that. Worship was a place. Now it's a person. Always remember that.

Because sometimes we think we have to go to the place. But worship is a person. And I won't get into a lot of details because I don't know where everyone's at on this. But I've got a desire for revival.

I've been studying revival 22 years. I did an interview you can watch on YouTube with CBN News on the Asbury revival and what's happening. And people asking, should I go there? Should I go there? Maybe, but I'm here in L .A. County and I'm contending where I'm at too.

There's nothing wrong with going. But remember, God sometimes just wants you to be broken and humble in your own community, in your own place, and let the fire of God come here into your heart. It's not a place.

It's a person. I've got actually two of my friends there. I've been there all week and they're sending me Twitter feeds and different things on what's going on. You can have form but no fire. You can have form but no fire.

And see, this happened to me. I was in my 20s. You can read my testimony. I was just heavy into weight lifting. And go to church, kind of a form of going to church, but no fire. No fire. A friend brought me to Pentecostal church.

I said, you guys are crazy. And I thought, I look worse than that when I'm drunk. God help us. There's head knowledge, but little heart engagement. Head knowledge. I know what the scriptures say. Theology, eschatology, pneumatology, soteriology.

I got it. I got it. Okay, you know all about Jesus, but has he transformed your heart and given you that abundant life? Jesus said, out of your belly will flow rivers of living water. So it begs the question, where's the living water?

Does it not? Rigidness. Rigidness, but no relationship. And many times in a church we see, are you a worker or are you a worshiper? Did you know we can hide our worship by our work? There's people. I'm not going to name their names because they might be watching.

At my church. The church I pastor, I should say. It's not my church. God's going to find somebody else when I'm gone. But they're not engaged in worship. When we have worship mornings or worship nights, they always work.

Working. I don't want to worship. Oh, Mary, Mary. Or Martha, Martha, I should say. Oh, Martha, Martha. You're worried about Mary's found what is the good thing to worship. And then from my worship should come my work.

If you have it the other way around, your work will often prevent your worship to God. And then, of course, this is the final nail in the coffin. Worship him in truth. Worship him in truth. Truth, truth, truth.

Truth as the Foundation and Measure of Worship

If I had an hour and a half, I couldn't even touch this topic because truth is the foundation and truth is the gauge of true worship. Because when we worship God, we have to have a foundation, correct?

Thank God I'm standing up here and not on the water. And so when we have worship, the foundation is the truth of God's word. We filter everything through the truth of God's word. And it's also a gauge.

Truth is the gauge. Is this worship healthy? Is it taking us in a healthy direction and using discernment? Truth is the foundation. And that's what I do appreciate about your church here, and knowing most of the elders, just the love for the truth.

The love for the truth. That has to be first and foremost. The truth forsaken is a curse for our nation. A friend of mine wrote that in one of his song lyrics, Richard Andrew. Churches are to be pillars who support the truth, not oppose it.

The truth is not flexible when it comes to absolutes. It's solid and unyielding. Truth liberates. Truth rebuilds. Truth restores. Truth heals. Truth transforms. Truth prevails. I don't know if you could keep up, but try.

You don't change truth. What? Truth changes you. So when it comes to worshiping God, it's not just about experience and emotion and all these things. It's grounded in the truth. And once I realized the truth that I was a sinner, but I've been saved by grace.

Oh, praise God. Now the emotions come out. When I held my firstborn, I wept in the hospital. How much more should we not experience the power and presence of Christ in our own lives? Did you know emotions can be good if they are God-given?

Thank God we're not robots. Here's your baby. Oh, well, okay. Back to mom. Don't buy into the excuse that emotions are bad. As long as they line up with scripture and they are the caboose of your train, not the engine, they don't direct you, but they follow obedience to Christ.

Pursuing God Through Worship, Prayer, Fasting, and Repentance

So I got just two minutes. I'm going to close. Keep the fire burning. Keep the fire burning and keep the truth alive in your heart. So here's what you must do. I'm going to go quick. Prioritize the pursuit.

Prioritize the pursuit. Pursuing God has to be a priority. As a deer pants, oh, my heart pants after thee. Make pursuing God the priority. And then pursue intimacy through worship. There's something dramatic takes place during worship.

And then consistent communication through prayer. Consistent communication through prayer. And starve the competition. Oh, that's not a powerful point, by the way. I don't know if we have it up there.