This Jesus — Erlo Stegen

Us. Shall we pray? Thank you, Lord, for the opportunity that you grant us that we may meet like this. It is our prayer that you would be amongst us and speak to us. Amen. Work, Lord, in a wonderful way, far above what we can ask or pray for.

The Conference Theme: Knowing the True Jesus

The youth conference will begin tomorrow, Lord willing. Many are still on their way. And I'd like to, so to say, give the introduction or lay the foundation for the message that the Lord has laid in my heart, that which I'm going to speak about in these coming services.

The theme of the conference is, do you know this Jesus? There are many people who claim to know Jesus, and even a person, as they walk along and they stumble over a stone, say, oh, my Jesus. But they don't know whom they're speaking about.

But, oh, Jesus, Jesus, my Jesus. And some Christians who think they're very spiritual say Jesus, Jesus, my Jesus, but they don't understand who Jesus is. There's a witch doctor who went around selling all his witchcraft, mooty and snake skins and the fat of crocodiles, et cetera.

And if you would go to him for help, you would say, in whose name do you want me to heal you? And if you would see that you're a Christian, you look like a Christian, you would say, do you want me to heal you in the name of Jesus?

And there are some Christians that then say, well, I don't want to have anything to do with the occult. So I don't want to be healed in any other name except that of Jesus. But that person doesn't realize that as they ask to be healed in that name, they ask that witch doctor that it's just a demon with the name Jesus.

If we read the New Testament, we read there are many Jesuses, but who is your Jesus? Because you might say, I serve Jesus. In the meantime, it's an idol. The Hindus have many idols. And one Hindu met up with a Christian and says, have you got a picture, an image of Jesus for me, please?

I would like to put him there amongst all my idols. And maybe they've got 666 and now they'll have 667. Who is your Jesus? So we need to examine who the Jesus is whom we serve. Then Paul Petersburg was a lady who would heal people and many went to her.

They flocked to her, even Germans. And if she would heal people and she would heal even whites, she would burp or like a witch. If people are blind, though, they don't see because anybody who would have any sense and any discernment should have been able to see when they would go to her and hear how she would burp aloud like a witch, that she is indeed a witch.

There are many different types of demons and evil spirits. And where a man dies and he had that demon or evil spirit in him, where it then goes out and it enters into a woman and vice versa. And this woman became ill and to death.

And then she said, my Jesus is coming to fetch me today. And she said, I can even hear his footsteps as he's drawing nigh outside the passage, outside the door, coming to the door. And she rejoiced that her Jesus was coming to fetch her.

And when he appeared at the door, and she expected Jesus to now come in. And as he came in, she said, Oh no, not you. She looked the other way. It was Satan. And she cried out and they heard her. She said, no, I didn't expect you to come.

Now, which Jesus are you serving? Are you serving the Jesus of the Bible? And she said, no, I'm not serving the Jesus of the Bible. I'm serving the man of God. And she said, no, I'm not serving the man of God.

I'm serving the man of God. There are many Christians that when they're in the service and they worship the Lord, they really get very emotional and they feel that they're in the spirit and they even dance and sway their bodies to the music and the beating of the drums, et cetera.

But when they go out of the service, they're like a flat tire. Where the air has gone out, their Jesus is in the dancing. With others, their Jesus is the speaking in tongues. That's what they feel. If you speak in tongues, then you've got it.

Then you are complete. But that speaking in tongues, that's not Jesus. With some people, Jesus is in what they wear. Like many churches where they've got a certain uniform which they wear and that's their Jesus.

Jesus is in what they wear. Like many churches where they've got a certain uniform which they wear and that's their Jesus. Now, one person came out of the service. They had a nice jacket on this person and then met up with that person's enemy and this person started speaking to them and she got so upset that she took off her jacket and said, I'm now taking off my jacket and now I can fight you.

And they bit and scratched each other. You see, her Jesus was her jacket that she then took off. But do you know this Jesus, which Jesus are you serving? Now remember, before the revival began in 1966, the previous Sunday, we had the funeral of Mark Garza.

And I said I could tell you and relate to you so much, I don't even relate the half of it to you and I want to say something now concerning this point. I was there at Mapumulo preaching the gospel. In those days, and it was very difficult.

The people were very hard. The young people were worldly minded. The men were just concerned and interested in their booze and alcohol. And so only the old woman came and a few children came to the service and I was very troubled about that.

And one Sunday I spoke to one of my brothers and he said, you take the service today, I'd like to spend this day in fasting and prayer. I see that Christianity has become the white man's tradition. As Christians are brought up with the Christian tradition, just like the Muslims with the Muslim tradition, Hindus with their tradition, and those that grow up with worshipping ancestral spirits with their tradition.

And the Christians have got a lot of literature, many books that explain to you how you've got to pray, how you've got to fast, how you've got to sing, etc. And I also read about fasting. I thought, well, maybe this I should try out and I should do this.

Now, some people fast regularly. They've got certain days of the week where they fast. I remember one day I left from Durban all the way to Amersfoort on the other side of Fawkes Ridge. When I got there, I was famished.

I was almost dead of hunger and thirst. And there were very well-known Christians there. And they had invited me to come and take a service there. And I arrived there in the evening. And they showed me a beautiful room where I was going to stay.

And then it was about six o 'clock, so I thought, well, it's almost supper time. Half past six, seven, eight o 'clock, and still no supper. So I called one of the children of the family. I said, now, when do you have supper here in the evening?

I didn't want to openly say, well, I was hungry and I wanted to eat. So I just asked the child, now, what time do you normally eat here? So the child said, no, today is Wednesday and we fast today. I said, oh my, I arrived on a terrible day.

And so they would always fast on a Wednesday. Now, they asked the disciples of the Lord Jesus, why don't your disciples fast? So he said, how can they fast when the bridegroom is with them? They can fast if he's not there.

Now, those who regularly fast on a Wednesday, I don't know if it's because their Jesus leaves them or whether he's dead or what. And many enter into sin because of fasting, because on a certain day they're not allowed to eat.

It's their law. So then they secretly go into the pantry to go and get some food there to eat on the sly. So as I was troubled about this, that the people wouldn't turn to the Lord, they didn't get converted.

So I found out, now, some people say you shouldn't only pray, you should also fast. So I said, let me try this out. Let me also fast now and not only pray. Maybe that will touch the people. Maybe God will use that.

Maybe they'll then get converted. So on that day, I was going to fast and pray. I was very serious about it. Didn't smile, didn't laugh. I had a long face because now I wanted to pray seriously that my prayer would reach heaven.

And then I thought of the word where the Lord said, where two or three are gathered in my name, there I'll be in their midst. So I thought, I don't want to pray alone. And I considered which family I could go to, where I could go to some believers to pray together with them.

And then it came to me about Mrs. Dube. She and her family, they just got converted. So I thought, let me go to the family and spend the day there and pray. They were a God-fearing family that really loved the Lord.

So I went and my little VW Beetle was quite old already. And I had to stop quite a distance away from the home and then walk along a footpath till I got there. When I got there, they were overjoyed to see me.

They said, well, what brought you to us? And they welcomed me with open arms. So I said, today I'm here to see God's face. I want to fast and pray. I don't want to have any food. So they said, please come inside.

And Mrs. Dube invited me in. She said, have a seat here. I'll bring you some tea and then I'll prepare a meal for you. I said, no, no, don't spoil this day now. I have come to fast and pray. And even the children of the family, they were so happy to see me.

And I said, well, I don't have any time for chatting now, for conversation or anything like that. I'm very serious about this. I want to fast and pray. And Mrs. Dube said, well, it's very good. We can pray, but I'm first going to make you some tea and then some food.

After that, we can pray. In my heart, I said, oh my, I did the wrong thing to this family. I had the intention to come and fast and pray. Now everything was spoiled. I said, no, I don't want food. I just want to fast and pray.

And she said, now you're telling me something different. Because in the Bible, I read where the Lord says, I was hungry and you didn't give me to eat. I was thirsty and you didn't give me to drink. I don't want the Lord to say that to me on the day of judgment.

So she said, have a seat. And they brought me some tea. I said, oh, I've spoiled it by coming here. I should have stayed there in Mapumula and prayed alone. Now you know how the Zulus are. Now you know how the Zulus are, how the blacks are.

They're very generous and hospitable. They know how to host you. And it's not like the whites where you visit and then they just give you a cup of tea and they say, well, now that's already like a full meal.

Now I don't know about the modern day blacks, because you've all become Europeans now. If you had a cup of tea, then you can go. Maybe a biscuit as well. Finished. Finished and clear. Now with the Zulus, it's not like that.

That was a very good custom amongst the Zulus. You could never visit a home and leave there without having been given a meal. So I said, you know how the whites are. They're always in a hurry. Now the whites are always in a hurry, always rushing off to someplace.

If they tell you to do something, they say, do it quickly. They don't want to wait one minute. But the blacks, they've got a lot of time. And then I think it's because of the sunshine. It's so hot and then they get tired.

And so I sat and I sat and I looked at my watch. Then it was 10 o 'clock, half past 10, 11, half past 11. I was still waiting. I thought, oh my, now I'm wasting my time. I wanted to dedicate this day to fasting and prayer.

And now I'm waiting. They're busy preparing food. And you know, the Dube family was very poor. And you know how it is with a poor family. They don't have everything. So they first need to go to the neighbor and go and borrow maybe a nice plate there or some cutlery and this and that because they want to prepare something special for you.

I wasted this day. And well, Mrs. Dube worked in the shop and so she had some meat there and chicken. They still prepared the chicken and everything. In the meantime, I waited. I said, oh, I wasted my day by coming here.

So they laid the table, put on a tablecloth, laid the table very nicely, brought all the food. And I don't know whether they had three or four different types of meat, which they had prepared and placed on the table and then potatoes and this and that and the next thing.

And that table eventually was full of food and rice and all of that. And then they said, now you can sit on and eat. You can sit at the table and they prayed that the Lord would bless the food. And they brought me a very large plate.

And then I thought, well, you know, I just take a little bit of everything because there are so many different types of food here. So I just took a little bit from each. And before I was able to take from all the dishes, my plate was already laden with food.

I thought I can't even take of all the different types because my plate was already so full. I thought I can't even take of all the different types because my plate was already so full. I thought I can't even take of all the different types because my plate was already so full.

I thought I can't even take of all the different types because my plate was already so full. I thought I can't even take of all the different types because my plate was already so full. So she prayed that the Lord would bless the food to His servant.

And then she left me there. And that's how they did it of old. It's a modern thing with the blacks where everybody sits together at the table. And I would ask, but why do you leave a person alone at the table?

They said, no, we want you to feel free that you can make yourself at home, eat in whichever way you like, as much as you like, and that you don't feel maybe you're doing something wrong if you do this or that.

Now those are different customs. The different nations have their different customs. With the whites, if they will just give you food and then disappear, you think strange of them. Doesn't that person want me at their home?

Why do they leave me alone? And so I had my meal there. Eventually I was fully satisfied. And I really had enough. And then they came and they said, don't you want any more? There's still so much food left on the table.

All of this is yours. You can have it all. So I said, no, thank you. I've had enough. They said, well, we'll still bring you some pudding. And they brought some of the most delicious pudding, which I don't know where they got it from.

I said, well, we'll still bring you some of the most delicious pudding, which I don't know where they got it from. But part of the Iola on sale. I have a funny not. Oh, my God, we don't own to some getting sick.

She didn't seem to get big. Really? Let the someone not resource. But really, they got hot. God don't want to. I got went to Patanjali. Of course, any of your whites that have visited blacks will be able to testify of that as well.

Together with me. One day, my father and mother went with me. We visited a black family, and they also treated us like kings. And eventually, my father said, well, that's not right that they prepare so much food.

I said, Dad, that's their way. That's how they do it. Not like us whites that when they come and visit us, when blacks come and visit us, we maybe bring them in through the kitchen door, and they've got to be there in the kitchen.

We just give them a beaker, just a tin cup, maybe doesn't even have a saucer. Now, even amongst the whites, it's not the same. You get different customs and different ways amongst the Afrikaners, the Germans, the English, etc.

Once we went to the Netherlands, and we sat on to eat, and then they brought us some cake, and we were seven, and they had counted it out exactly. There were seven pieces, not any one more or one less.

And whilst we were there, we sat on to have our meal. The lady of the home prepared the food, and we sat on to eat. And whilst we were at table, somebody knocked at the door. Some visitors arrived to come and visit us.

They said, well, you sit on the sofa over there. We're still just finishing the meal. So we sat at table, and we ate. In the meantime, they were busy there looking on. Eventually, I felt quite bad about it, and I whispered to the person next to me, don't you think we should also give them something whilst they are there?

They said no. They didn't make an appointment, and so there's nothing for them. You see how it is. There are different customs of the different nations. Now with the English, they'll, you go and eat there.

Everything will be on the table, and then you eat. But you can't afterwards just say, well, can I have some more rice and dish up some more rice for yourself or take some more sugar? No, that's very uncivilized if you do that.

You come from the bush. Now you've got to be very attentive to your manners. Make sure you do everything correctly. Just wipe your mouth a little bit with a serviette that is there, and you can't just hold your knife like this and your fork like that.

You mustn't eat with your mouth open. You can't ask for anything more, because after they'll say, well, that person hasn't got any manners. Where do they come from? Where did they grow up? But there is a way around it.

As the saying goes, there are many ways to kill a cat. Very diplomatically, they're at table. If you'd like to have something more of something and that dish is close to somebody else, you'll ask that person over there, sir or madam, would you like to have something more of that?

And then that person will say, no, thank you. Now, because of manners, they've got to ask you in return. Now, what about you? Would you like to have some? And then you can say, yes, please. And that's how you can get about it.

Let's answer my call. If you is in doubt, what I'm going to do is I'm going to turn to town. You get home. See, get in the window. No, my is to go live. Let's see. You're shy. Get my toilet. And how are you feeling?

Don't know. And how I am in the Bible. Never told. Q. Oh, my. We too. Leaven. Oh, those figure. Yeah. Up Negan. Darwin. Cool. Good. OK. Lang. Get it. Oh, my. OK. Linda. I. Go by Zalua. And if you have a good one, you've got the other one.

You lose all of my cancer. Now they down to get a valid, but cargo. There's a lot of land that has been given to me there now you can never ask of a black person please give me a piece of land even if it's just from here there to that Christmas tree they'll say you want to take the land of my father my forefathers never but if you keep quiet they'll come and from their side give you a much bigger piece of land but you cannot see go I'm so perfect a good working day sailing to your net plus luck.

I got my taggy Gabby who thought yeah I'm fooling Norma if you need my leg Naga I got my taggy Gabby who shoot up fun. There are so many different customs and traditions amongst the different nations like with a white man they won't be offended if you go to them and ask them is your farm maybe for sale.

They'll say no it's not for sale or they say yes and they'll say how much they want for it. I get this you come on come on come on. Yeah I'm asking anything come on. Johnny got a bottle of a big column over by a pump.

Cultural Customs and Christian Witness

Now when I come my hair I'll start at the front and I'll come it backwards. I don't know how you come with nowadays you blacks but in the past they used to start at the back and go forwards you know being a little shop but yeah now if you greet a white person you need to look that person straight in the eye because if you look down then they say you've got a guilty conscience.

That's why you can't look them in the eye. But with the blacks if they want to show you respect they can't just stare into your eyes. They look down to show their submission and their humility. And I train my own children like that I said if you greet a black person then use both hands when you greet them and just do it respectfully glancing downwards turning your eyes down.

But when you greet a white person use one hand and look the person straight in the eye. Otherwise they say there's something wrong. You crooked. And so there are different customs and ways of people and nations in this world.

And Paul also said that to the Romans I become like a Roman to the Jews like a Jew the Greeks like a Greek and those that are wise like them and those who are illiterate I become like them that I might win them all.

Now the Communists they laughed at Hitler. They said he was foolish because Hitler wanted to conquer the whole world and change them all into Germans. They say we much we communists are much cleverer than that.

We spread our Communist ideology but we leave the people to continue in their own traditions and in their customs. We don't want to change them out of that. But we teach them that there is no God. I would give a funny now not bulls were ovens wound a France not say London about food is a bunch.

But is your shoe my shoe my. Some black ministers there in France asked me. They said you know we preach the truth but no whites attend our services. Why would that be. I said how will you ever get them to attend your service.

You make so much noise in your service you jump around and dance around. You'll never get them. You need to become like them if you want to win them. Paul even said I'll be weak to the one who is weak that I might win that one.

If you're not able to do that that means your ego hasn't yet died in you. Oh moon your moon showers a so wait to a figure on one young person from Soweto. That person's preaching preaching there and so we're to also on the streets to the young people they I'm born.

And that young person came here. So I got the whiff of tobacco on him. I said well do you smoke. He said yes. Well that's how I win the people there how I become like them that I can win them. I said well do you also commit adultery with a prostitute so that you can win them.

That is Satan's gospel. That's not according to the Word of God. But there is a way according to God's Word where you become like somebody else to win them. Oh if you want to win the world don't become like the world to win them.

Don't dress in the way that they dress. If you do they'll never respect you who call no moon. You'm so pay all pay. I got to hotel one mission. There's a certain white man who went with these children to an optometrist or an eye specialist.

Oh my corner. Waku luma waku luma waku luma. What's all again. A god. I'm a show up. Oh oh my sippy Puma. What. Mama. Mrs. so-and-so. Yeah. And so no more no big or more or more. Being a candidate who would him.

So the doctor examined their eyes. When he had examined all of them he called the lady back and he said the mother. And I said I'd like to speak to the husband got quite a fright. He thought is that maybe some bad news.

What is it why city that I honor you. I respect you and your family for the your conduct. The way in which your children your daughters are dressed they respect. And he said continue in that way. You've got something wonderful.

Continue in that way. And he said even my staff have commented on that on the way in which you're dressed your conduct your respect. And they took note of that. But if you are just as they are you get you dress as they are dressed.

You just be dirt to them. They won't honor or respect you for that. And that's how Satan often gets hold of the young people. He says you'll be the odd one out you stick out like a sore thumb. If you are dressed differently people will mock you and laugh at you.

No that's the old serpent who's deceiving us. Now let's return to the Dube family. And so she asked she said are you satisfied. Have you had enough to eat. There's nothing more that you need. And she there's a word that asked the question are you satisfied.

And it's the same word as saying I believe or the root word. And you see that's what it means. If you believe it means you are satisfied. You don't need anything of the world. But many say I believe. And yet their hunger after the prostitutes and that which the world has got to offer which is what he goes for.

Zana was a Samaria. Oh Puzzle. A man who's oh boy oh me. What was a puzzle. A man's a nigga wanna guy go monopoly. We are one who pulls a lemon soup. You chase. We are called we are nearly in Colby. I'm pornography.

I'm sad day. I'm a papa and Abba a kudu mango. Yes as we call e Jesus said to that Samaritan woman anyone who drinks of this water will thirst again. But whoever drinks of the water that I give him will never thirst for all eternity.

You see that water which the Lord Jesus gives satisfies when you believe in him. You are satisfied. You don't need anything else. You don't need pornography. You don't need these newspapers that speak about worldly things.

You are satisfied with the Lord Jesus. Oh my god. I think I need a mom. I like I had nearly see when I need to thank you very much. Yeah book. And when the lady of the home mother of the home came in she said are you satisfied.

I said yes thank you. But keep us all donkeys each other. I'm up lady Tata name will be a tough fooler. Keep a go home. Oh my sir Becky Peely. Why say figure what says in a condenser. So then they took everything off the table the dishes the tablecloth everything.

They cleared the table. And after that she came back and she said now we can pray. What do you mean. I turned out on John. It is when young it's this or some situation. You're not buying a bottle of water to like.

I say oh my really he sees me not getting so turned out. So I can't Johnny. This will take on Gaga not on the telephone of a thunderous in my heart I said how can I still pray on such a full stomach. Like some people say they can't sing on a full stomach.

I said well I can't pray with this full stomach. Let them pray so cool. We knelt down. And indeed she then prayed. I'm asked to be turned off at two minute number three me. I'm asked Tim's losing up. Oh my time.

Does he live. Why. Niagara in Tahoe. But how can you cool. Can't turn. I am. He was because it is on the glass which it's a little. I don't know whether she had been praying for two or three minutes and God came down and experienced God shaking the place.

And I could only hold my head and I could say Oh God. I do not know you Jesus. I don't know you. I only know the Jesus according to the white man's custom but I don't know you as you really are. And for days after that weeks after that I could only say Lord are you like that where the Lord revealed himself to me and knew and I got to know him.

You see it's good to have to do with other nations and other races because their customs are not like your customs. Like the blacks are not like the white man's custom. And there's much that I learned from them from that Paul says to the weak I become weak.

Some people need milk. You can't give them a cup of maize to eat that food. That solid food will harm them. So you've got to come down to the level of that person in order to the work to win them. It will even kill the child found to my sarting obese obese no trace what you.

And even Jesus said there is so much more that I've got to tell you. But I can't. You're not ready for that. You're not able to bear it. Now learn from that you that have got a mind to think and if not well then continue new foolishness.

Now I could continue speaking for a long time about mrs. Dube who passed away recently but I haven't yet reached the point where I wanted to reach. Do you. On the day of Pentecost there were so many people together of different languages.

They were all Jews but they came from all over the world and spoke different languages. And they marveled. They said what is this that we hear of the marvels of God in our own language in our own tongue unto tools in get security.

Good to a para kleptos. Para kleptos who more English which is why. Good things on to my game. Oh para kleptos. See let up gamma Taza. Now the Holy Spirit the comforter is called para kleptos in the Greek that he will come alongside of you he will come down to your size shoulder onto your shoulder not from the height but on your level.

When he speaks to a witch or a witch doctor you speak a language that that person can understand or to a drunkard the language that that person will understand he comes down to the level of that person.

If he speaks a different language then the person will say well who is this speaking to me. Now you need to do the same. If you speak to somebody come to their level otherwise you'll just bring us into log heads with people who can I'm sure who obeys it.

That was cool about there's a certain white man who was an alcoholic or drunkard all best friends of FM I shall a sanguine engineer King and Oma again about to have a police say no more wins on back out.

He worked at the gate of a certain company as people would come in the head is little God room or God house there and he would register the people as they would come in or go out. What we're gonna. And then he took his alcohol with him and there in that room he drank on the job.

What our power. What God did our Connie stick on say okay so boom a stick on say lunchy I book is the country. Yeah feed him. Yeah yeah. And so he said it was at night and he got utterly drunk like a Lord.

And as he sat there he was going to and fro like that there was a candlestick that was a light with a flame and a fly going around and sick going around the flame guess it is cut by not young Anna who met the lady was booger was boogies you know I say Kalu Kulu money and that in sector that fly was flying around sometimes almost going through the flame and getting scorched and eventually speaking to this fly he said you fly if you're going to get too close you're going to burn and then it would be as if it's just skimming the flame again just going on the side of it and he said I'm telling you now you are going to get burnt.

And then right there the Holy Spirit spoke to his heart through that and he said you are like that fly you've already scorched your wings like that fight scorched its wings and it couldn't fly anymore.

And I was in a limo a so if a no limo a so I'm a crazy no limo a so now make sure our book but Kuluma gamma so we don't know see our bone got a good one. A lot of us is about to figure moon to say 77 attracts a Charlie figure.

Communicating the Gospel Without Adopting Sin

I'll show me the drug addicts. They've got their language. The prostitutes have got their language. All these different groups. They've got their language which they understand and which you don't grasp where they speak with their eyes or certain signs.

They've been drug addicts that have come here and within a day they meet up with other drug addicts. But maybe they've been here for a week and I didn't realize that they were drug addicts. But they find each other in a and like Satanists as well they also understand certain things.

They've got their language. They may be see a fly flying and they see some significance in that fly. That fly is bringing a certain type of a curse or disease or something but you that aren't exposed to that you just see a fly that comes and sits on you and you kill it.

Now if you want to win them speak the language that they understand without getting involved in their sin and becoming like them in their sin but speak a language that they can understand. The wise men from the east they saw the star and immediately that meant to them that a king has been born unto us.

They thought in Jerusalem and they went astray. He was born in Bethlehem. But they understood the significance of that star. You may be look at the star. You don't see anything more than a star. Now at the beginning of the New Testament there are four Gospels if you want to know this Jesus then they explain they reveal who this Jesus is as brightly as the Sun.

The Four Gospels and the Fourfold Revelation of Jesus

I was once in Germany in one of the great cathedrals there and they took me there especially to show me what it looked like and I went there with a doctor who was the chairman of the Medical Association of all the doctors of Jesus and there was a he was shown there.

And if you come from the one side you could see it's Jesus. Well let's come now from the other side and if you come from the other side of the statue from a different angle you see something different in his face and then from a different angle he looked even different it was the same person but they were different ways of looking at him.