August 24, 2022 Show with Jason Contino on “Leaving the Cult of the Jehovah’s Witnesses: One Christian Pastor’s Journey”

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Today we have a guest that came to my attention in a remarkable series of providences involving social media, and we'll be getting a little bit more in depth into that part of the story after I introduce this guest, but it's quite a fascinating bit of providence in my opinion.

Today we have on the program for the very first time Pastor Jason Contino. He is Associate Pastor of Harborview Christian Church of Port Jefferson, Long Island, New York, and today we are going to be addressing Leaving the Cult of the Jehovah's Witnesses, One Christian Pastor's Journey, Out from Kingdom Hall into the Kingdom of Christ Jesus.

It's my honor and privilege to welcome you for the very first time ever to Iron Sharpens Iron Radio, Pastor Jason Contino. I'm doing great by the goodness and mercy of God. First of all, tell our listeners something about Harborview Christian Church of Port Jefferson, Long Island, New York.

We existed and decided that we were going to go independent. We were just starting to move in a different direction from that very large, and we became independent as Harborview.

Well, I hope Pastor Pete is listening. I do remember him well from my years living on Long Island, which is where I started Iron Sharpens Iron Radio at WNYG Radio in Babylon, Long Island, and our paths crossed from time to time, and if I'm not mistaken, he towered above me in height and just a real gracious brother, and he also, by the goodness of God, from what I hear, has married someone that I contacted years ago and met who was operating a crisis pregnancy center out there on Long Island who was interviewed, I believe, on the station I worked for for 15 years before I started Iron Sharpens Iron Radio.

I worked for WMCA 570 AM in New York City, and we gave coverage to that crisis pregnancy center, so I'm delighted to hear that these two fine Christians met and got married.

Yeah, they're Doreen Jansen, and she is the CEO of Soundview Pregnancy Centers. They have centers in East Meadow, and they're looking to plant a new one in Riverhead.

Well, praise God. Well, if anybody wants more information about Harborview Christian Church in Port Jefferson, Long Island, and if you have never visited Port Jefferson, Long Island, no matter where in the world you live, I would highly recommend that you visit that gorgeous area of Long Island, New York, on the water, and I would make a vacation out of it.

And if you live in or near Port Jefferson, I strongly urge you to visit the Harborview Christian Church. And if you know of folks who live in or near Port Jefferson, I would strongly urge you to urge them to visit that church.

The website is harborviewchristian .church, harborviewchristian .church. Well, on Iron Sharpens Iron Radio, we have a tradition, Jason, where we have first-time guests give a summary of their salvation testimony, and in your case, the entire interview really involves that because of the fascinating aspect of your history that you were once a member of the Jehovah's Witnesses.

And let me now reveal to our listeners how I got in contact with you. I had posted for anybody who follows me on Facebook, you know that recently, just a couple of days ago, I posted on Facebook a photograph of my late wife and myself when we were dating way back in the 1980s, probably before many of my listeners were born.

In fact, perhaps even before you were born, Jason, I don't know. But I had posted on that post, I had written on that post, I should say, that my wife and I were at a restaurant where she was treating me to a birthday dinner before we were married at La Mansard restaurant, which is no longer in existence.

It was a French restaurant that eventually became the Rose Cottage and maintained its French menu, and I would go there frequently after the transition of name. And I had just mentioned that it was a precious memory.

My wife had given me an engraved watch as a gift, and I was mentioning in the post that when you cherish someone deeply that you have lost, no matter how wonderful the memory is, it's always mixed with pain.

And your beaming smile that breaks out on your face is quickly moistened with the tears that are flowing down your cheeks. And Pastor Jason read that and said that La Mansard was owned by, I believe, his aunt, and if you could continue the story of your connection with La Mansard, and also Amato's restaurant, which is where I had my very first date with my wife during a snowstorm, when I very sneakily contacted her, because we were attending the same Bible study at a church that was not where I was a member, First Baptist Church of Lindenhurst, Long Island.

A shout-out to all of you out there who are members there. But I called my wife, and she wasn't my wife at the time. We had never even been on a date, but we were attending the same Bible study. And I said, Hey, you know, Julie, it's snowing outside, and I was wondering if there's still going to be a Bible study tonight.

And as we were talking, the pastor's wife, Marie Blind, called her, and she had, obviously, the call-waiting option, which was not that old at that time. And she said, Can you hold? I'm getting a phone call.

And she got back on the line, and she said, Oh, Marie Blind just called. The Bible study's canceled because of the snow. So I said, Well, would you like to go out for dinner to Amado's restaurant? And that was by far the most exquisite high-end restaurant in that area at that time.

For years it was. And even though it was bordering on blizzard conditions, we drove out there and very slowly got there. And they were open, believe it or not, and there was only maybe two other couples in the place.

But that also was a cherished memory of mine. And now you can pick up the story about the connection between those two restaurants and your family.

The Family History Behind La Mansard and Amado's

50th birthday.

Oh, wow, 10 years to my junior.

Then they bought a burger stand out in Amityville. And their burgers, and in the late 50s, by the name from my grandfather. And he gave them the name. And with that money that he got when Burger King bought the name in New York State, he blueprinted and built the Amado's restaurant, you remember, at 330 Merrick Road in Amityville.

And now he has, and he wants to get his name down, since his Can You Cook That was called La Mansard. The agreement would be that he had trained in at the Culinary Institute. La Mansard, again, did not keep up their end of the bargain.

I believe he might have brought down the reputation of that restaurant. So when she ran again, it operated under the name Rose Cottage for many, many years with, I believe, what was the exact same menu.

Yeah, I can even remember at the Rose Cottage later on, after I'd already been married, treating advertising clients that I had at WMCA Radio to dinner there. And I remember, with a great amount of salivating on my end, the duck in raspberry sauce that was just astronomically delicious.

And, of course, Amado's was mind-blowing back then. And it was that old-fashioned, high-end restaurant, waiters with white gloves. For some reason, I'm not sure, most high-end restaurants, at least in years past, and even until recently, it may even still be the case for the most high-end restaurants, but no waitresses, all waiters, originally.

And just phenomenal food at Amado's. And I remember the amaretto strawberry cake was just out of this world. And I also remember seeing autographs of celebrities all over the wall, and I'm assuming those celebrities actually ate there.

Dom DeLuise and a whole bunch of other folks. I think even the Rat Pack may have had their photos signed on the wall. And another part of this whole providential connection is that a very dear friend of mine, now retired, Pastor Earl Blackburn, he came to Long Island once from Louisiana, where he was pastoring.

He is a native of North Carolina. And he was visiting Amityville, Long Island to preach at the church where I was a member, where I was saved, Calvary Baptist Church of Amityville, Long Island, where Mike Gaydosh was the pastor at the time.

And Earl treated Mike Gaydosh to dinner at Amado's. In fact, I think it was really your grandparents who treated them both. I don't think Earl pulled out his wallet. And Mike informed me of the absolutely mind-blowing dinner with course after course after course that they were served.

And Earl was the one that told me that your family had members in the Jehovah's Witnesses, and he also said that he, in his childhood, used to live with your family who were from North Carolina. And he used to spend summers with them.

And he had a lot to say about Amado's. In fact, he even said it was a favorite spot of organized crime members. Have you heard that?

Yeah, because at home in Massapequa, Earl Gambino would go and eat in a restaurant. He did his research on the family. And he knew that my ties to Amado found to be a threat. He knew my father's profession.

It was my mother who was an Amado, my father. So he knew that the son of an Amado was a New York State parole officer. They had done their research, and they knew everything about the family. So when he would come in, my grandmother would come out.

He would give her a kiss at the time. Then he would sit down and eat his food. But if my grandmother was awed from his dish before he ate from the dish...

Ha ha ha!

When he left, before he left, the car took a ride down to Lindenhurst to make sure nobody was following it or it didn't blow up. And they would look to keep them. My grandfather had a, I think it was a linen guy, trying to muscle in and tell him who he was to use and that the grandfather, he could handle himself, that you're going to be using, you're going to be taking... for a few months.

And then Mr. Gambino came in to eat. He said, Frank, I'd like to talk to you. He says, Frank, I heard you had a problem. And he says, I have no problems, Mr. Gambino. He says, I heard that somebody wanted to force you...

Mr. Gambino, I've been in this business long enough. And he says, well, Frank, they got word that they're not to mess with you. And my grandfather says, Mr. Gambino, I've never asked for a favor from you.

And he said, Frank, that's why I eat here. He says, because I respect the fact that you've never asked of anything from me and I trust your family. So maybe it kept my grandfather safe.

Wow. And if I remember correctly, when Pastor Earl Blackburn was telling me the story, he did mention the part about the Burger King chain corporation having to buy the rights for the name Burger King from the Amato family because of the fact that that was already the name of the restaurant before the Burger King chain ever arrived on the scene on Long Island.

And I believe the amount, if I'm not mistaken, was $30 ,000. And that was supposed to be an astronomical figure, especially in the 1950s or early 60s, whenever that occurred.

Yeah, it was enough for him to build a new restaurant the way he wanted it and to gift a restaurant to his daughter.

Great. Well, I have to introduce you to Pastor Earl Blackburn if the Lord ever provides us with an opportunity. In fact, maybe he'll get on the phone and call him after the show's over. But now let us enter in to the main theme of our program.

In fact, before I do that, because I don't want to interrupt you mid-sentence, we're going to go to our first station break first. And when we return from the first station break, we will have you begin your testimony of being raised in the Jehovah's Witnesses and how the Lord, in his mercy, rescued you from that cult and brought you to discover and embrace the true gospel of Jesus Christ and the true Jesus Christ of Scripture.

And the true Scripture, because Jehovah's Witnesses are wrong on all of those things. We'll hear more about that when we return. And if anybody has any questions, our email address is chrisarnson at gmail .com.

Chrisarnson at gmail .com. Don't go away. We're going to be right back after these messages with more of Jason Contino.

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We are now back with Jason Contino who is the associate pastor at Harborview Christian Church located in Port Jefferson, Long Island, New York. And I can't say it enough, it's one of the most breathtaking areas of the United States.

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Many fond memories there. And we are discussing the testimony of my guest Jason Contino leaving the cult of the Jehovah's Witnesses, one Christian pastor's journey out from Kingdom Hall into the Kingdom of Jesus Christ.

If you have a question, send it to ChrisArnson at gmail .com. ChrisArnson at gmail .com. Give us your first name at least, your city and state, and your country of residence. So, Jason, tell us about your upbringing and your first recollections of being a Jehovah's Witness and how that possibly made your upbringing different than that of your friends and all that kind of thing.

I became a Jehovah's Witness in the early 1970s. My mother was very close and my Aunt Joanne's personality, when she believes in something, she'd think to my mother quite a bit. Like you had said in our chat, I'm mostly in the New York area, but non-practicing, so the kids were all not practicing.

My Aunt clinged right around a little bit before 1975, which is about the end coming in 1975. After 1975, my mother studied on and off with my Aunt for many years, and after that, she became a Jehovah's Witness in 1980 or 81, along with her two brothers.

So at this point there were four, and my mother, like my family, like my Aunt's family, my father never became a Jehovah's Witness. So I had my uncle Bill and my father Jim never became Jehovah's Witnesses, so kids in their family.

On Tuesday evenings, for one, they were in a magazine with the Bible. I so cheated reading really only. It was not really an option.

Now I have never heard that before about Jehovah's Witnesses, and I remember the cult leader Herbert W. Armstrong and his Worldwide Church of God cult forbid competitive sports where you were actually on a team competing with another team.

He did not prohibit sports that involved one just trying to improve their own best performance from the past and that kind of a thing if it was a single person involved in a sport of some kind. But what was the rationale behind prohibiting sports by the Jehovah's Witnesses?

You know, that's interesting.

That they would have such a strong prohibition against sports when I have come to discover. I don't know what it was like in your home, but I was actually very surprised that Jehovah's Witnesses in some ways have a more liberal ethic than many Christian homes in regard to social drinking, dancing, going to pubs and things like that.

And I know that many of our Reformed people do all of those things. But I was surprised because I knew of their rigidity with so many things. In fact, I saw a movie that apparently the producers of the movie called Apostasy which was a...

Outstanding. Phenomenal movie.

Yeah, about the family in the UK that were Jehovah's Witnesses and it involves the death of a member of the family that was rebelling against the Jehovah's Witness cult. And I was sitting there and I know that there was apparently painstaking research to make sure that they were replicating accurately what goes on amongst Jehovah's Witnesses.

And even the minister and forgive me if I'm using a wrong term there, but the young Jehovah's Witness minister even went to a pub with some of the members. That was a real shock to me. But anyway, if you could continue from that thread there.

For a minute, mixing and mingling with the public.

Okay.

So listen, you're not going to get this fellowship, you're not going to be disciplined but you are going to be called to task if you are missing meetings with worldly people. And that young man is a minister in the church.

A servant is similar to a deacon. Go ahead, I'm sorry.

So now we know that JW stands for Johnny Walker. I'm only kidding.

Johnny Walker.

And also there was a party in the movie where there was secular music playing and there were Jehovah's Witnesses dancing. Very badly, but they were dancing. But just fascinating to me. Anyway, I'm sorry, you can pick up where you left off about the fact that your aunt's family was much more strict in the prohibition against sports than your family was.

Yeah, so myself, my brother and my sister benefited from congregation.

And that's the case for many children who are raised in evangelical Christian families.

That's true, I was just going to say that's not my...

No, keep going, keep going.

So my aunt and my uncle when I was around 20 years of age she left my mom and around the early 80s when I was about the age of 10 we moved upstate New York to where my grandparents had a vacation home up by the town of Warrensburg and I'm actually in Warrensburg right now up into a neighboring town and left my aunt.

I believe emotionally to my dear aunt who I love dearly and involved in a satanic cult. This was why he didn't become a Christian and he had been doing... My mother, my father, the elders and other elders left.

Wow.

They left the stable and he was never a baptized witness. And who were you going to believe?

And... And do you think this was from what you knew. Was this an intentional thing so that Jehovah's Witnesses would approve of her filing for divorce?

Having a nervous breakdown I think she wanted out of her... somebody else so she'd get remarried. She never got remarried. My grandfather passed in 1987. Had disassociated himself walking away from the religion watching...

I think my aunt had some sort of...

The Family Rift, Divorce, and Disillusionment with the Organization

Great. And we're going to continue where you left off when we come back from our midway break that we have to enter into now and I'm going to remind our listeners please be patient with us with the midway break.

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