August 24, 2022 Show with Jason Contino on “Leaving the Cult of the Jehovah’s Witnesses: One Christian Pastor’s Journey”

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Today we have a guest that came to my attention in a

remarkable series of providences involving social media, and we'll be

getting a little bit more in depth into that part of the story after I

introduce this guest, but it's quite a fascinating bit of providence in my opinion.

Today we have on the program for the very first time Pastor Jason Contino.

He is Associate Pastor of Harborview Christian Church of Port Jefferson, Long Island, New York,

and today we are going to be addressing Leaving the Cult of the Jehovah's Witnesses, One Christian

Pastor's Journey, Out from Kingdom Hall into the Kingdom of Christ Jesus.

It's my honor and privilege to welcome you for the very first time ever to Iron Sharpens Iron Radio,

Pastor Jason Contino.

I'm doing great by the goodness and mercy of God.

First of all, tell our listeners something about Harborview Christian Church of Port Jefferson, Long Island, New York.

We existed and

decided

that we were going to

go independent.

We were just starting to move in a different direction from that very large,

and we

became independent as Harborview.

Well, I hope Pastor Pete is listening.

I do remember him well from my years living on Long Island, which is where I

started Iron Sharpens Iron Radio at WNYG Radio in

Babylon, Long Island, and our paths crossed from time to time,

and if I'm not mistaken, he towered above me in height and

just a real gracious brother, and he also, by the goodness of

God, from what I hear, has married someone that I

contacted years ago and met who was operating a crisis pregnancy center out there on Long

Island who was interviewed, I believe, on the station I worked

for for 15 years before I started Iron Sharpens Iron Radio.

I worked for WMCA 570 AM in New York City, and we gave coverage to that

crisis pregnancy center, so I'm delighted to hear that these

two fine Christians met and got married.

Yeah, they're Doreen

Jansen, and she is the CEO of Soundview Pregnancy Centers.

They have centers in East Meadow, and they're looking to plant a

new one in Riverhead.

Well, praise God.

Well, if anybody wants more information about Harborview Christian Church in Port Jefferson,

Long Island, and if you have never visited Port Jefferson, Long Island, no matter where

in the world you live, I would highly recommend that you visit that gorgeous

area of Long Island, New York, on the water, and I would make a vacation out of it.

And if you live in or near Port Jefferson, I strongly urge you to

visit the Harborview Christian Church.

And if you know of folks who live in or near Port Jefferson, I would strongly urge you to

urge them to visit that church.

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harborviewchristian .church.

Well, on Iron Sharpens Iron Radio, we have a tradition, Jason, where

we have first -time guests give a summary of their

salvation testimony, and in your case, the entire interview really involves that

because of the fascinating aspect of your history that you

were once a member of the Jehovah's Witnesses.

And let me now reveal to our listeners how I got in contact with you.

I had posted for anybody who follows me on Facebook, you know that recently,

just a couple of days ago, I posted on Facebook a photograph

of my late wife and myself when we were dating way back in the 1980s,

probably before many of my listeners were born.

In fact, perhaps even before you were born, Jason, I don't know.

But I had posted on that

post, I had written on that post, I should say, that my

wife and I were at a restaurant where she was treating me to a birthday

dinner before we were married at La Mansard restaurant, which is no

longer in existence.

It was a French restaurant that eventually became the Rose Cottage and maintained its French

menu, and I would go there frequently after

the transition of name.

And I had just mentioned that it was a precious memory.

My wife had given me an engraved watch as a gift, and I was mentioning in the

post that when you cherish someone deeply that you have lost, no matter

how wonderful the memory is, it's always mixed with pain.

And your beaming smile that breaks out on your face is quickly moistened with

the tears that are flowing down your cheeks.

And Pastor Jason read that and said that La

Mansard was owned by, I believe, his aunt, and if you could continue the story of your

connection with La Mansard, and also Amato's restaurant, which is where I

had my very first date with my wife during a snowstorm, when

I very sneakily contacted her, because we were

attending the same Bible study at a church that was not where I was a member, First Baptist Church

of Lindenhurst, Long Island.

A shout -out to all of you out there who are members there.

But I called my wife, and she wasn't my wife at the time.

We had never even been on a date, but we were attending the same Bible study.

And I said, Hey, you know, Julie, it's snowing outside, and I was wondering

if there's still going to be a Bible study tonight.

And as we were talking, the pastor's wife, Marie Blind, called her,

and she had, obviously, the call -waiting option, which was not that old

at that time.

And she said, Can you hold?

I'm getting a phone call.

And she got back on the line, and she said, Oh, Marie Blind just called.

The Bible study's canceled because of the snow.

So I said, Well, would you like to go out for dinner to Amado's

restaurant?

And that was by far the most exquisite

high -end restaurant in that area at that time.

For years it was.

And even though it was bordering on blizzard conditions, we drove out there

and very slowly got there.

And they were open, believe it or not, and there was only maybe two other couples in the place.

But that also was a cherished memory of mine.

And now you can pick up the story about the connection between those two restaurants and your family.

50th birthday.

Oh, wow, 10 years to my junior.

Then they bought a burger stand out in Amityville.

And their burgers, and in the late 50s,

by the name from my grandfather.

And he gave them the name.

And with that money that he got when Burger King bought the name in New York State,

he blueprinted and built the Amado's restaurant, you remember, at 330

Merrick Road in Amityville.

And now he has, and he wants to

get his name down, since

his

Can

You Cook

That

was

called La

Mansard.

The agreement would be that he had trained in at the Culinary Institute.

La Mansard, again, did

not keep up their

end of the

bargain.

I believe he might have brought down the reputation of that restaurant.

So when she ran

again, it operated under the name Rose Cottage for many, many years with, I believe, what was the exact

same menu.

Yeah, I can even remember at the Rose Cottage later on, after I'd already been married,

treating advertising clients that I had at WMCA Radio to dinner there.

And I remember, with a great amount of salivating on my end,

the duck in raspberry sauce that was

just astronomically delicious.

And, of course, Amado's was mind -blowing back then.

And it was that old -fashioned, high -end restaurant, waiters with white gloves.

For some reason, I'm not sure, most high -end restaurants, at least in

years past, and even until recently, it may even still be the case for the most high -end

restaurants, but no waitresses, all waiters, originally.

And just phenomenal food at Amado's.

And I remember the amaretto strawberry cake

was just out of this world.

And I also remember seeing autographs of celebrities all over the wall, and I'm

assuming those celebrities actually ate there.

Dom DeLuise and a whole bunch of other folks.

I think even the Rat Pack may have had their photos signed on the wall.

And another part of this whole providential connection is that a very

dear friend of mine, now retired, Pastor Earl Blackburn, he

came to Long Island once from Louisiana, where he was pastoring.

He is a native of North Carolina.

And he was visiting Amityville, Long Island to preach at the church

where I was a member, where I was saved, Calvary Baptist Church of Amityville, Long Island, where Mike Gaydosh

was the pastor at the time.

And Earl treated Mike Gaydosh to dinner

at Amado's.

In fact, I think it was really your grandparents who treated them both.

I don't think Earl pulled out his wallet.

And Mike informed me of the absolutely mind -blowing dinner with course after course

after course that they were served.

And Earl was the one that told me that your family had members in the Jehovah's

Witnesses, and he also said that he, in his childhood, used to

live with your family who were from North Carolina.

And he used to spend summers with them.

And he had a lot to say about Amado's.

In fact, he even said it was a favorite spot of organized crime members.

Have you heard that?

Yeah, because

at home in Massapequa,

Earl Gambino would go and eat in a restaurant.

He did his research on the family.

And he knew that my ties to

Amado found to be a threat.

He knew my father's profession.

It was my mother who was an Amado, my father.

So he knew that the son of an Amado was a New York State parole officer.

They had done their research, and they knew everything about the family.

So when he would come in, my

grandmother would come out.

He would give her a kiss at the time.

Then he would sit down and eat his food.

But if my grandmother was awed from his dish before

he ate from the dish...

Ha ha ha!

When he left, before he left, the car took a ride down to Lindenhurst to make sure nobody was following it

or it didn't blow up.

And they would look to keep them.

My grandfather had a, I think it was a linen guy,

trying to muscle in and tell him who he was to use

and that the

grandfather, he

could handle himself, that you're going

to be using, you're going

to

be taking... for a

few months.

And then Mr. Gambino came in to eat.

He said, Frank, I'd like to talk to you.

He says, Frank, I heard you had a problem.

And he says, I have no problems, Mr. Gambino.

He says, I heard that somebody wanted to force you...

Mr. Gambino, I've been in this business long enough.

And he says, well, Frank, they got word that they're not to mess with you.

And my grandfather says, Mr. Gambino, I've never asked for a favor from you.

And he said, Frank, that's why I eat here.

He says, because I respect the fact that you've never asked of anything from me and I trust your family.

So maybe it kept my grandfather safe.

Wow.

And if I remember correctly, when Pastor Earl Blackburn was telling me the story,

he did mention the part about the Burger King chain

corporation having to buy the rights for the name Burger King from

the Amato family because of the fact that that was already the name of

the restaurant before the Burger King chain ever arrived on the scene on Long Island.

And I believe the amount, if I'm not mistaken, was $30 ,000.

And that was supposed to be an astronomical figure, especially in the 1950s or early 60s,

whenever that occurred.

Yeah, it was enough for him to build a new restaurant the way he wanted it and to gift a restaurant to his daughter.

Great.

Well, I have to introduce you to Pastor Earl Blackburn if the Lord ever

provides us with an opportunity.

In fact, maybe he'll get on the phone and call him after the show's over.

But now let us enter in to the main theme of our

program.

In fact, before I do that, because I don't want to interrupt you mid -sentence, we're going to go to our first station

break first.

And when we return from the first station break, we will have you begin your

testimony of being raised in the Jehovah's Witnesses and how

the Lord, in his mercy, rescued you from that cult and

brought you to discover and embrace the true gospel of Jesus Christ

and the true Jesus Christ of Scripture.

And the true Scripture, because Jehovah's Witnesses are wrong on all of those things.

We'll hear more about that when we return.

And if anybody has any questions, our email address is chrisarnson at gmail .com.

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Christian Church located in Port Jefferson, Long Island, New York.

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Port Jefferson, Long Island.

Many fond memories there.

And we are discussing the testimony of my guest Jason Contino

leaving the cult of the Jehovah's Witnesses, one Christian pastor's journey out from Kingdom Hall into the Kingdom

of Jesus Christ.

If you have a question, send it to ChrisArnson at gmail .com.

ChrisArnson at gmail .com.

Give us your first name at least, your city and state, and your country of residence.

So, Jason, tell us about your upbringing

and your first recollections of being a Jehovah's Witness and how

that possibly made your upbringing different than that of your friends and

all that kind of thing.

I

became a

Jehovah's

Witness

in the early 1970s.

My mother was very close and

my Aunt Joanne's personality, when she

believes in something,

she'd think to my mother quite a bit.

Like you had said in our chat,

I'm mostly in the New York area,

but non -practicing, so the kids were all not practicing.

My Aunt

clinged right

around a little bit before 1975, which is about

the end coming in 1975.

After 1975, my mother studied on and off with my Aunt for many years, and after that,

she became a Jehovah's Witness in 1980 or 81, along with her two brothers.

So at this point there were four,

and my mother, like my family, like my Aunt's family, my father never became a Jehovah's Witness.

So I had my uncle Bill and my father Jim never became Jehovah's Witnesses, so

kids in their family.

On Tuesday evenings, for one,

they were in a magazine with the Bible.

I so

cheated reading really only.

It

was

not

really

an option.

Now I have never heard that before about Jehovah's Witnesses, and I remember

the cult leader Herbert W. Armstrong and his Worldwide

Church of God cult forbid competitive sports

where you were actually on a team competing with another team.

He did not prohibit sports that involved one just

trying to improve their own best performance from the

past and that kind of a thing if it was a single person involved in

a sport of some kind.

But what was the rationale behind prohibiting sports by the Jehovah's Witnesses?

You

know,

that's

interesting.

That they would have such a strong prohibition against sports when

I have come to discover.

I don't know what it was like in your home, but I was actually very surprised

that Jehovah's Witnesses in some ways have a more

liberal ethic than many Christian homes in regard to social drinking,

dancing, going to pubs and things like that.

And I know that many of our Reformed people do all of those things.

But I was surprised because I knew of their rigidity with so many things.

In fact, I saw a movie that apparently the producers of the movie called

Apostasy which was a...

Outstanding. Phenomenal movie.

Yeah, about the family in the UK that were Jehovah's Witnesses and it involves the death of

a member of the family that was rebelling against the Jehovah's Witness cult.

And I was sitting there and I know that there was apparently painstaking research to

make sure that they were replicating accurately what goes on amongst Jehovah's Witnesses.

And even the minister and forgive me if I'm using a wrong term there, but

the young Jehovah's Witness minister even went to a pub with some of the members.

That was a real shock to me.

But anyway, if you could continue from that thread there.

For a minute, mixing and

mingling with the public.

Okay.

So listen, you're not going to get this fellowship, you're not going to be disciplined

but you are going to be called to task if you are missing meetings

with

worldly people.

And that young man is a minister in the

church.

A servant is similar to a deacon.

Go ahead, I'm sorry.

So now we know that JW stands for Johnny Walker.

I'm only kidding.

Johnny Walker.

And also there was a party in the movie where there was secular music playing and there were Jehovah's Witnesses

dancing.

Very badly, but they were dancing.

But just fascinating to me.

Anyway, I'm sorry, you can pick up where you left off about the fact that your aunt's

family was much more strict in the prohibition against sports than

your family was.

Yeah, so myself, my brother and my

sister benefited from

congregation.

And that's the case for many children who are raised in evangelical Christian

families.

That's true, I was just going to say that's not

my...

No, keep going, keep going.

So my aunt and my uncle when I was around 20 years of age

she left my mom

and around the early 80s when I was about the age of 10 we moved upstate New York to where my

grandparents had a vacation home up by the town of Warrensburg and I'm actually

in Warrensburg

right

now up into a neighboring town and left

my aunt.

I believe emotionally to my dear aunt who I love dearly and

involved in a satanic cult.

This was

why

he didn't become

a Christian and he had been doing...

My mother, my father,

the

elders

and other

elders

left.

Wow.

They left the stable

and he was never a baptized witness.

And who were you going to believe?

And...

And do you think this was from what you knew.

Was this an intentional thing so that Jehovah's Witnesses would approve of her filing for divorce?

Having a nervous breakdown I think she wanted out of her...

somebody

else so

she'd get remarried.

She never got remarried.

My grandfather

passed in 1987.

Had disassociated himself walking away from the religion watching...

I think my aunt had some

sort of...

Great.

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Christian Church in Port Jefferson as we continue our discussion on the Jehovah's Witness

the Jehovah's Witnesses the cult from which our guest came and who

embraced the true gospel and the true Christ and the true scriptures by God's

grace and mercy and is now as I already said a pastor in a Christian church our

email address is chrisarnsen at gmail .com give us your first name, city and state, and country of residence and by

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East Setauket, Long Island, New York has passed by your church

building many times has always been intrigued by it and now that

she is aware that this is a solid church she intends to visit your church so

I'm hoping that that does happen so pick up where you left off you

were talking about the tragedy of your aunt divorcing your uncle and making up all

kinds of insidious slanderous defamatory claims

about him being a satanist and all that kind of thing and if you could continue where you left off there.

Had been

baptized and sitting

down with

their own.

Pastor.

Appears to be true.

Your uncle, you are to believe her.

And that when examined by

this

family, aunt and

uncle were it just didn't make sense.

Made about somebody.

We examine it we don't just believe it.

And I watched over.

It had never happened, had lost

his home.

He picked up where he left, he ended up.

He had been a steam fitter in New York wood stove and heating

company but he had a lot of Jehovah's Witnesses great

deal into the steam fitters union.

But watching this unfold and watching how not only did they not look for

any true figment of a

disturbed imagination.

They circled when you put your.

You deem that man.

You deem those men to be untrustworthy.

They might as well have had to lie.

You were willing to accept.

I walked away from it.

You look like a bunch of clowns to me.

But I didn't know what to believe.

Were you a nominal Jehovah's Witness even though you were baptized or was there any.

I would say I was a nominal Jehovah's Witness at that point.

I had become what they would

now is this even though.

Were you a nominal in your belief before this tragedy occurred with your divorced

family members.

I don't

know

what I believed but I

don't believe these people.

Now before we get into how you discovered true Christianity and the

true gospel and the true Christ and the true scriptures because all of

those things are false in the kingdom.

Hall uh tell us about the main tenants of Jehovah's

Witnesses that puts them rightfully under the category of a cult and

puts them rightfully under the category of having a false gospel and a false Christ and a

false Bible.

Yes so

archangel and he was.

Name is

above

every name

and in their

first they conveniently.

What is the

good news.

If you approach them at a cart they're going to talk to you about and.

Uh when I when I referred to their Bible being false uh I don't want to over.

Uh.

Overstep the the truth behind that obviously there is much within even their corrupted

translation that is true and you can even lead a Jehovah's Witness to Christ

and salvation using the new world translation but tell us about the

corruption of this version the new world.

Translation.

Have the opportunity to go on to JW .org where

they will find both the new world translation

with me

because I'm on

vacation.

What is in their new world translation that they're carrying around with them when they're out in

field service or at their carts.

But just to give you a little bit of

a when

john 858 the ego of I am to the side

of the other side or when you open up the new world translation

in the computer you'll see that the I am was changed to I have been.

And there'll be a footnote telling you that that's the perfect indicative.

Because it was not trans it was not spoken in proper

language.

Well the only perfect man to ever walk the earth apparently spoke and needed to wait for

the watchtower organization to come along eighteen nineteen hundred years later and correct his

language.

So

you

are

saved

not taking of God.

This is a mystery in Colossians 127.

Jesus name john 1 is

going to where I

was.

Going to say their idea of the afterlife there are already

the exact number of people from what I understand according to their eschatology

there are already the exact number of people who were intended to be

in heaven 144 thousand if I'm not mistaken.

And therefore since basically heaven is full

no reservations can be taken now because they're already packed to capacity so

therefore every other Jehovah's Witness if that Jehovah's Witness is faithful

enough.

Will be.

A resident of paradise earth.

Am I getting that correct.

Yes.

This memorial celebration if you were to take the you would be scrutinized but

they don't have that exact number they of course they get that number from Revelation 12 ,000 from all

12 tribes and if we look at those

club to join as you're supposed to be since

that is you

know

it's every other Christian

apply to the when it's speaking to the elect when it's

speaking to God's gene and

even in their Bible is

that

the great crowds

and other children.

That has slipped my mind because it's

not allowed to bring

that one word but it's the

last scripture of the Bible and

Revelation

this is

where it's

described in this.

Will you have.

A listener we have.

Let's see.

I just had it right in front of me.

This happens to me a lot.

I'm getting old and getting very senile.

Here it is.

We have Ronald in Eastern Suffolk County Long Island.

Hey.

I hope Ronald lives close enough to Port Jefferson to visit your congregation.

But Ronald has something to say about Greg Stafford.

He was.

Yes.

I was wondering if you are familiar with Greg Stafford who was a Jehovah's Witness

and was an apologist for Jehovah's Witness theology but was doing things on his own

as a maverick.

From what I understand and debating people such as James White without the

permission of the Kingdom Hall and the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society

he had come to a belief.

I'm not saying this term is something he uses for himself but it could be accurately called

henotheism where you have an adherence to one particular

supreme god out of several other gods.

And he believed that Jehovah was the supreme god but came to believe

that Jesus Christ was another god but just an inferior god.

And that is a crucial difference from what I understand from what the Jehovah's Witnesses teach.

I am also asking how on earth cannot the Jehovah's

Witnesses believe in something like that when Jesus Christ clearly

receives worship and never forbids worship for himself

by those who are worshipping him in the New Testament.

LDS mission.

I don't

know to do something else,

believing

that all

scripture is inspired and then turn around

and then we see the Trinity we see the beauty, but this is

who God

said,

I

am he, and

before me no god was formed, nor shall there be

any after me.

How many gods does Greg Stafford or the Jehovah's Witnesses, how many

gods do they believe if Isaiah was

formed before me.

I am either

looking for one person or

a new.

We

have

RJ.

In White Plains, New York who wants to know.

I know that many cults have become more and more liberal over the years.

A classic example are the Mormons, otherwise known as the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter

Day Saints.

What do you know about the Jehovah's Witnesses in regard to that.

Are they still standing firm in their rigidity as a

right wing cult, obviously not describing themselves as a cult but are they giving

in to any of the pressures of society to be softer on issues like homosexuality

and other matters.

As far as I know they're standing strong

they would be a

recently.

They

do they use the word?

Because a lot of false religions use the word grace but they redefine it.

The Mormons use the word grace.

The Roman Catholic Church uses the word grace.

Different term which I don't know if it's

right, but I'll.

Never do it in favor as it's normally defined.

Before we go back to any listener questions, I want now for you to let our

listeners know how you came to discover true Christianity and how

providential things that the Lord rose up in your life that drew you to himself.

And saved you.

92 to 94 I was

allowed me to follow my own

heart, I know that that's a dangerous thing.

I met a wonderful young lady who

is from Long

Island,

98 and reading

about

Buddhism

and in God's incredible

Christian, my next door neighbor who used to be

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And are bringing you to my pastor's luncheon.

Yeah, yeah and I think I'm taking a

an elder from Dix Hills Evangelical Free Church, his son played soccer with my son,

the last

he and then

Gene McCone,

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Jesus will recognize

my salvation and that led me,

and how.

And how did you realize that God had placed the call upon your life to enter into pastoral ministry.

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University where he was in school and playing soccer, he ended up this senior becoming the president of

that campus' FCA.

Our younger boy who's now in the Coast Guard just became in love with the Lord, Anthony became in love

with the Lord and was on fire for the Lord.

Jimmy, our older boy ended up graduating from his undergrad, going to Mercy Hill

Church in Greensboro, North Carolina and getting his master's degree from a Southeastern

Baptist Theological Seminary and now him and his wife Jansen are opening Port City Church

in Halifax, Nova Scotia and that's where they moved about two weeks ago and

my younger son is now at Nancemon River Church outside of Norfolk, Virginia where he's

in the Coast Guard and my boy's witness to my mother this former Jehovah's Witness and they just

shared scripture and prayer for her and she ended up giving herself to Christ

as well so it started to

became a special plus,

years on the streets, dealing with victims

ripped

out of them

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get them as much time as possible would be me sharing Christ with them and then I looked up and I said this world

is becoming so secular that I

could walk away and keep and we were

becoming more and more reformed, Pastor Pete has two elders, myself and

another and

they're going to be getting a female, Doberman too nonetheless a female Doberman's name will be

as we were attacking to the right

a providential God reaching into my life is now as a detective, before I

went to Special Victim Squad, I'm a regular squad detective handling a stolen check

that had defrauded somebody and it came from a church in

South Dakota River, Del

Rapids and I called the pastor and as we're talking in

ministry for you, I said really you do and I was thinking, Pete and I were already thinking this and he says

we have a program called the Timothy Pastoral Apprenticeship, he says it's a church

based theological training program designed to prepare men for pastoral ministry.

There's two components to it.

You have your apprenticeship component and you have your academic component for me that means being on Zoom

and the apprenticeship means being in

ministry with

leaders later and they said God's providence again and

I had my ordination and Pastor Rich he

didn't bring any easy questions.

I know that Rich would not bring easy questions and you should ask him about his own ordination

interview where I was actually present and he was grilled on his post -millennialism.

Let me tell you.

But I don't recall.

That coming up.

I don't know if we'll have time to go into that today.

I'm sorry.

But.

We are going to our final break right now and if you have a question send it in quickly immediately because we're rapidly running out

of time chrisarnson at gmail .com we'll be right back.

James

White of Alpha Omega Ministries

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Hi, this is John Samson, Pastor of King's Church in Peoria, Arizona.

Taking a moment of your day to talk about Chris Arnson and the Iron Sharpens Iron podcast.

I consider Chris a true friend and a man of high integrity.

He's a skilled interviewer who's not afraid to ask the big penetrating questions while always defending the key

doctrines of the Christian faith.

I've always been happy to point people to this podcast knowing it's one of the very few safe places on the internet

where folk won't be led astray.

I believe this podcast needs to be heard far and wide.

This is a day of great spiritual compromise and yet God has raised Chris up for just such a time.

And knowing this, it's up to us as members of the Body of Christ to stand with such a ministry in prayer

and in finances.

I'm pleased to do so and would like to ask you to prayerfully consider joining me in supporting Iron

Sharpens Iron financially.

Would you consider sending either a one -time gift or even becoming a regular monthly partner with this ministry?

I know it would be a huge encouragement to Chris if you would.

All the details can be found at ironsharpensironradio .com where you can click support.

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And

I'm so thrilled.

That we are getting registrations from men in ministry leadership from as far away

as Massachusetts, from Georgia, from North Carolina, from

Virginia, from Long Island, New York, where Pastor Jason Contino today

on the show, he is going to be traveling from Long Island with the men in ministry leadership at

Hope Reform Baptist Church of Coram, Long Island, New York.

And we've got men coming from New York City and upstate New York, and I could go on and on and on.

I'm so thrilled.

This is definitely going to be the largest turnout that we've had in the history of the Iron Trip and Zion

Radio Pastors Luncheons that date back to the 1990s.

They were the brainchild of my precious late wife Julie, and since she has gone

home to be with the Lord, they continue in loving memory of her and in tribute and honor to her.

If you haven't registered yet, if you're a man in ministry leadership and you could get there, please send me an email to chrisarnson at

gmail .com and put Pastors Luncheon in the subject line.

We have BB in Cumberland County, Pennsylvania, who wants to know, do the Jehovah's

Witnesses still forbid blood transfusions for any reason, and are

there other medical things that they.

Prohibit?

From

another person, where

from blood,

you were

speaking

about

earlier,

the young lady had hemophilia.

Right, yeah, that was an excellent movie, wasn't it?

Yeah, I'll tell you, I had an aunt walk into the room who used to be a Jehovah's Witness.

Yeah, the only thing that I, upon googling Jehovah's Witnesses that I found that may have not

been very typical is the mother who was the Jehovah's, the primary

Jehovah's Witness in the film was wearing women's slacks, and from what I

understood, that is frowned upon amongst the women in the JWs.

Am I wrong on that?

Was that outdated information?

I don't think it's.

That, I mean, there

are going to

wear...

Actually, she was in a Kingdom Hall meeting when she was in the movie.

Yeah, so that, you know, that might have been accurate, and it probably was a

female...

Well, if you could summarize what you most want etched in the hearts and minds of our listeners

today.

Their Bible is very different, but like you said, Chris, through the

Bible, pray for them,

remember to know that they are totally, 100 lost.

They're

following

questions

that might lead them to realize that they're wrong.

There's a book by a gentleman, David England, called Getting Through to Jehovah's Witnesses, Approaching Bible

Discussions in Unexpected Ways, which really does a phenomenal job doing this, where you just

simply guide them through your questioning, because they need to be the people, we'll say,

right?

You want to leave a stone in their

shoe after the interaction.

The other big thing is the truth and the life, and no one

gets to the Father except through me, and in John 5 verses 39 through 40, you

search the Scriptures because you think that in them you have eternal life, and it is they that bear witness about me,

yet you refuse to come to me that you may have life.

You need to know who Jesus is, you need to acknowledge him.

I would recommend teaching them to do it while they're alive and not when it's too late.

If anybody listening wants to get a hold of that book that was just promoted by Pastor Jason, go to CVBBS

.com, a sponsor of this program, Cumberland Valley Bible Book Service, CVBBS .com.

Thank you so much, Pastor Jason, I already know that I want you back on the program as a returning guest.

I loved every minute of our conversation.

I look forward to meeting you face -to -face for the first time at the Iron Trip and Zion Radio Pastor's Luncheon, and I want to make

sure our listeners have your website.

Again, it's HarborviewChristian .church.

HarborviewChristian .church.

Thank you so much.

I want to thank all of our listeners, especially those who took the time to write in questions, and I hope

Susan, Anissa Talcott, comes to visit Harborview Christian Church in Port

Jefferson, Long Island.

I want you all to always remember for the rest of your lives that Jesus Christ is a far

greater Savior than you are a sinner.

Amen.

Thank.

You, Chris.

Thank you, brother. Amen.