April 21, 2026 Show with Joe Owen on “Sex, Gender & the Gospel”

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And I'm thrilled to have back a returning guest on my program today. Many of you may have heard my most recent interview with Joe Owen on the Gospel According to Marks. By the way, the audio is now uploaded to ironsharpensironradio .com, and you can download that and listen to it if you missed it when it was aired live.

And please, of course, wait until after this live show is over. But today we have Joe coming back to discuss another book that he has written, and equally important, Sex, Gender, and the Gospel, God's Design in a Confused World.

And Joe is the Spanish ministry manager for the ministry of creationist apologist Ken Hamm, Answers in Genesis, teaching at various Bible institutes, seminaries, and universities, and speaking throughout Latin America and Europe.

And today I am so much looking forward to interviewing you on Sex, Gender, and the Gospel. Welcome back to Iron Sharpens Iron Radio, Joe Owen.

Well, thank you for having me back. It's a pleasant surprise.

And I think that I may have committed a cardinal sin, if evangelicals can have cardinal sins, or is that respected to Catholic cardinals? I don't know. The cardinal sin of my show in that I forgot to have you provide—I'm almost positive I forgot, I'm not 100 sure—that I forgot to have you provide a summary of your salvation testimony the first time you were on the show, which is something that I traditionally always ask first-time guests to do, and somehow it slipped my mind the first time you were on the show for me to ask you to do that.

So I'm asking you to do it now, brother. I'd love to hear a summary of your salvation testimony that would include the kind of religious atmosphere, if any, in which you were raised, and the kinds of providential circumstances our Sovereign Lord raised up in your life that drew you to Himself and saved Him—saved.

You. Yeah. Well, yeah, and I would do my best, I would do something very summarized. So my parents, they met at Bob Jones University in Greenville, South Carolina. That's where I was born. My father from Birmingham, Alabama, my mother from New Hampshire, they met there.

And so we were raised in a home where we would frequent church, but the home—my mother left when I was about 14, and my family broke apart, including me. There's five of us, five children, they have. And there are many things with respect—you know, I want to be respectful, too.

I was just saying, we did not see some living out of faith, especially on the maternal side. And then my mother left, and none of us walked in with the Lord. And so I had the Bible Belt background from my youth, but it depends on who asked me if I would say I was a Christian or not.

So I remember when I was in the Navy, and somebody asked me what I believe. I'd say I'm Christian because I'm not Buddhist, or I'm not Muslim, or Arabic, or I'm not an Islam. And so just a non-believer.

And I married a Mexican lady when I was 19 or 20. And she was religious, Mexican religious, which is syncretism, syncretistic beliefs between the icons of Roman Catholicism mixed with animism of Latin America.

So is that anything like Santeria? Is that like Santeria?

Yes, yes.

Is it exactly Santeria?

OK. In the Caribbean, and in some places in the Caribbean, like Haiti, but mostly in Brazil, it's a lot more syncretistic. In Mexico, there's still some orthodoxy to the Catholic faith, Roman Catholic faith, and you just see it mixed in in the smaller villages.

Like, in Mexico, we have St. Death, it's a huge grim reaper that the cartel and other people they pray to, they have a cartel saint, this guy from the 1800s, who's now, they made a saint. So it's, yeah, I mean, when people speak of Santeria, they mostly, I think here they refer to Brazil and some in like Haiti, but...

And some in Puerto Rico. My late wife was born in Puerto Rico, and she said that Santeria was rampant in the rural village that she was born in.

Yes. And so I think, like, technically, when you speak of Santeria, you're speaking of some of the African pagan religions mixing with Catholicism. But in Mexico, you have the native ones here, not coming from Africa, mixed with Catholicism.

But it's kind of the same thing, though. If a historian wouldn't like me to say it's the same thing, but on a theological level it's the same thing. And then when I was in the Navy, this guy kept sharing the gospel with me, Sean Burden and his wife, Chantelle, became friends of ours.

And just kind of to make it short, I kind of made fun of them and said, you know, these religious freaks. I used to tell my wife that. And I'd say, you know, who is this guy to judge me? And of course, I'm a Christian, he doesn't know me.

And I just, you know, I have my own way of understanding the gospel or understanding who God is. You know, the same thing that everybody tells me now when I share. But then maybe two years after that, my marriage and our life was just kind of falling apart as four years married, expecting our third child.

And in August of 2003, the Lord, just one night, he brought that gospel back to me. I was convinced of, convicted, my wife too. And the Lord saved us. And yeah, so it's been quite, it's been quite the journey.

And you know, one thing now, though, I know the Lord. I know him. I've seen the glory of God in the face of Christ, as in 2 Corinthians 4, 6. And I've never been the same ever since.

How low you? How did you come to discover the doctrines of sovereign grace?

Oh, yeah, that's a great one. So this is great. I'll be very careful that I won't regret how I said this later. So as a new believer, within a year and a half, I was already in the undergrad, trying to focus on theology with minors, like in worldview, world religions, and apologetics in Atlanta.

We moved to Atlanta. I started studying. I wanted to serve. And just really having a hard time with everything I was reading. And nothing seemed to fit. You know, my professors couldn't stand me, all my questions.

And then I got to, at the mother, I was planning Spanish-speaking churches, and I was a new believer. You know, it was too early for all that. And then the American church that was kind of hosting us, they bought these Rick Warren books.

I think you know which one I'm talking about.

Forty Days of Purpose?

Yeah, the Purpose-Driven Life.

That's right. His program was Forty Days of Purpose, right?

Yeah, it's a 40-day program. So I started teaching that to this newly, you know, and within like two or three weeks of it, I said, I just can't teach this anymore. And I just started having like a crisis of faith, saying, it seems like everybody's playing the same game.

That I know this is not what the Scripture is teaching of what I understand so far, but everybody's like playing a game, like making this old and antiquated document relevant. Because this has nothing to do with what they're saying, with what I see in the Scriptures.

And so, is the church today, is it just a game, a cultural game to make relevant an old antiquated document? And I really started doubting on many things in my faith. And I was reading everything I can find.

And one day in a Goodwill store, I found this book from J .I. Packer called Knowing God. And you know, I don't agree with everything in that book, but boy, I tell you what, by chapter seven, it has 22 chapters.

The first section is chapters one through six on theology proper. By the time I got to chapter seven, I was weeping, just worshiping. I was reading it. It's like, this is the God that I came to know in 2003.

I don't know what everybody else is saying around me and what they're pushing, but that's not the gospel I came to understand. But this is it. And it just had that ring of truth. And then from there, Packer talks about the Puritans.

So I started reading John Owen, the glory of Christ, and others, and other authors. I discovered Martin Lloyd-Jones, Packer's relationship with him. And then one day, a friend of mine, in 2013, when I started working my answers in Genesis, he started asking me theological questions.

And I started answering him, and he said, brother, you sound Reformed. And I said, what does that mean? Of course, Reformation, 16th century. And then I didn't know, but the Lord was showing, you know, that crisis I was having was just because it seemed like everybody has turned into a capitalist in post-Industrial Revolutionary marketing.

The Christian faith was just marketed. And as a new believer, I was really struggling with that because it seemed like, well, you have to play along in the game to market it out this way. But I didn't know enough to know why this seemed all wrong.

And so the Lord was just preparing me in that way. And now I don't care what anybody says about it. You know, they call you Calvinist, they call you, well, you know what, I just, I'm so thankful that the real true God is not the one of humanistic imagination who's a weak God.

I'm so glad that the true God is a sovereign God.

Amen. I'm going to read a plug for your book, Sex, Gender, and the Gospel, God's Design in a Confused World, by someone who's been a guest on my show, Captain Barry Wilmore, the astronaut that everybody who, unless you're living in a cave somewhere, must have known was stranded in outer space for months.

He is also nicknamed Butch Wilmore and has been interviewed many times in the media, especially during the most recent space launch that occurred. And I must say that I think that it was very courageous of him to write a glowing endorsement for a book titled Sex, Gender, and the Gospel, God's Design in a Confused World, because of the fact that if the media gets wind of that, they may cease inviting him as a commentator on their news programs and so on.

So I applaud him for that. But Captain Wilmore says, enlightening and highly informative, a must read for those who are committed warriors in the battle for truth. Amen. Tell us about what drew you to write a book on this subject when there are already a number of Christian books addressing this issue.

My friend, Dr. James R. White, over a decade ago, wrote the book The Same-Sex Controversy. He co-authored that book. And he admits that now, since the insanity of this issue has become even more overtly satanic than it was when he wrote the book, that his book in many ways is outdated, other than some of the timeless things in there, what the Bible has to say about sexuality.

But what compelled you to write this?

If Dr. White says that his book is becoming obsolete, except for the Scripture, I wouldn't dare say that. I love his book. Actually, I quote his book a few times. But there is something of truth of what he said, though, it is because when he wrote his book, we were dealing much more with the LGBTQ and the homosexual side of it.

But today, the naturalistic arguments that are given for that have been refuted with.

Genetics.

And so it looks like the postmodern world has changed tactics to going back to France, middle of century, last century, and resuscitating or bringing into the forefront what we call gender ideology, which is an argument that goes against the arguments that were made by the world in the 90s.

In the 90s, we saw the movement, born this way, born gay, that you don't become gay, you're born that way. And gender ideology says the opposite. It doesn't matter how you're born, it's your experiences, which is really going off of Jean-Paul Sartre's humanistic existentialism.

And so Simone de Beauvoir, who's Jean-Paul Sartre's lover, I hate using that term, but it's because it's a very open relationship, very bad and pedophilic, but wrote, Professor in France, who is Jean-Paul Sartre's lover, she wrote The Second Sex based on Jean-Paul Sartre's existentialism in the end of the 1940s, where she says a woman is not born a woman, but becomes one.

And then the born gay movement says, you don't become gay, you're born that way. And so that movement did not have success with the anatomic and genetic studies. And so it seems like they're going back and getting onto that wagon, that bandwagon, which ended up being part of the feminist movement and saying that gender and preferences and all that are something that have to do with your experiences, nothing that you're born with.

And so his book doesn't really deal with that. But I tell you what, though, I've debated, using points from his book, about the gay Christian movement. I love it how Dr. White deals with Paul's compound words used in 1 Corinthians 6, verses 9 and 10, based off of the Septuagint, that I've seen Katie Perry's pastor, remember the singer Katie Perry?

She brought her pastor on an interview, and with that one question, stopped him, and he couldn't answer him for the whole world, saying, you know, well, what says, you know, the word homosexual is a new word.

People added it to what Paul's writings, and he couldn't answer that. And I've noticed that so many people can't answer that. And so I wanted to borrow off of Dr. White, quoting him, of course, to go into that too.

Now, I wrote this book first in Spanish, for the Spanish-speaking world. It's been published for five years in Latin America, and I'm very happy, because the publisher that published it, it was their best-selling book for a few years.

And now it just came out in English. And the reason why I'm happy it's coming out in English is, it's because the book has really kind of three main focuses. And you said, why would we need another book?

Well, we don't really need another one, in my opinion, though, my humble opinion. I think it helps, because I have a whole row of books on this subject, even from both sides. You know, I even have The Gay Christian by Vines.

And I've noticed that not one book deals with the three big focuses on the theological side, the pastoral side, and the apologetics. It's either one of these three, and I think the church and parents need to deal with all three.

What is the theology of biblical manhood and womanhood in a marriage? What is the theology behind that? And then the effects of the fall on that. And then the second part, you know, and then the history of how these movements develop.

And then the pastoral side. How do I raise my children in practical ways for the glory of Christ in their identity and sexuality? And how do we do biblical counseling with no Freud with people who struggle in these areas?

And then finally, the apologetic side, dealing with all the arguments in the gay Christian movement, the Born This Way movement, and all that, and responding to all those arguments. So, this book has all three of those in one book.

Excellent.

And it's interesting that you have said that at least predominantly, the rhetoric of the homosexual activist movement is that homosexuals are born that way. I'm old enough to remember—and maybe you're not, you look like you're a lot younger than I am—I'm old enough to remember watching talk shows as a teenager, maybe Phil Donahue or some of these other talk shows, where there would be homosexual rights activists on these programs who are declaring, no, we're not born this way, we choose to live this way, because saying that we're born this way insinuates that it's some kind of defect or something like that.

So, it's kind of—and I don't know if that was ever the majority view. But, in fact, I don't know if you're aware of this, but as Scott Lively and Kevin Abrams, the co-authors of The Pink Swastika, very highly documented in their book of the rampant homosexuality that existed in the Nazi party, especially in the earlier years of it.

And there was a war going on between professed homosexuals. You had one group that was advocating that they were women born in men's bodies, and the other group that were Nazi sympathizers who were nicknamed the butches because they basically were worshiping masculinity and they hated the effeminate culture and so on.

And they despised that notion that they were women born in men's bodies and so on. So, even back then, there was some division amongst the activists in that realm.

Yeah, that is—I think the born gay movement really got its strength in the mid -90s. And basing it on biological determinism from a naturalistic worldview. And then we hear now in the 21st century, going back to its experience lived, like you just said, what they were saying previous to the 90s.

And I believe we're seeing what people would call, in some circles, they would call this the Kantian dualism from the Enlightenment. The idea, are we free beings? Is there a right and wrong that we can decide on?

Or is everything deterministic in a universe that is a bunch of gears and it's all just mathematically going and there's no right and wrong because anything I do is just that something acted upon me and then what I do acts upon something else.

And since the 18th century, no one has been able to resolve that, what they call the Kantian dualism, because both were taught by Immanuel Kant. And that's the wonder of our faith, is that we have an answer to that.

Am I a moral being or am I just a robot of the universe, a mechanic universe? Well, to have both of those, where I am part of the natural universe that God made, but also I'm a moral being, you have to have a transcendent dimension and we have an eternal father, eternal God, and materialistic understanding of the universe, they can't explain that.

And so one, the rationalism would be like the deterministic one, that someone's born gay. So they're just a product of their environment, their genes, their genetic makeup. And the other one about my experiences, that was lived out in the 18th century in Romanticism.

So you have rationalism and Romanticism. And you can just see that now, postmodernism is really based off Romanticism, the ideas of Romanticism of all subjectivity. But, and they reject the deterministic rationalism.

That's just funny how the world cannot come to an understanding, because they're trying to fit all understanding of existence in like two dimensions when there's a three-dimensional world, in other words.

But we know there's more, God, transcendent, eternal God. So they can't fit it all in one. If you don't mind me just saying okay, so imagine that you have a two-dimensional board and you draw on it, a road that goes from where you're standing to about a hundred kilometers in the back.

And then you have mountains. If you're going to make that portrait, you're going to draw a triangle on this board, because that's what looks like the profundity or depth in three dimensions and two dimensions.

So you could draw a triangle that looks like a road going from where you are to far away. Act like we live in this two-dimensional world and we're always arguing, is this a road, which is a parallelogram, or is this a triangle?

And so we have two groups. We have the triangularites and the parallelites, and they're both fighting over it because they have denied a transcendent dimension. So they have to explain, how can a road be a triangle and a rectangle at the same time?

And I think that's what the world is doing. We're denying God. We're denying that we are contingent created beings from an eternally holy, trium God. And nobody can explain, are we deterministic or our base of experience doesn't have like a free will, per se.

I am also old enough to remember that there were some, I'm not saying that this was the majority, but it may have been, there were some in the homosexual rights activist movement who wanted nothing to do with marriage.

And they were very defiantly claiming, we don't need your phony God to bless what we're doing. We don't want anything to do with your made-up ceremonies of marriage and so on. And that seems to have almost nearly 180 degrees turned around where people involved in that behavior were demanding marriage.

Do you have any thoughts on how that change may have.

Occurred? Yeah, I do, actually. And I dealt with that some in this book, but probably a little bit more in the book we talked about last time, The Gospel According to Marx with the Cultural Marxism. It is because if this group, if a lot of people in this group, especially the people who represent them sometimes are not even homosexual, but the ones who are promoting a lot of this, is that they come up with this term called normativity.

So it's not enough just to say, I can be with as many people as I want. Don't put your religious constructs of monogamy on me that I have to swear on a piece of paper that we're going to stay together.

Well, that's a very individualistic kind of rebellion. But what about the mass rebellion of how do we topple that system? You don't topple that system of marriage by just saying, I opt out. You topple it by changing its definition.

And so with this, what people call today social justice movements, which is very intertwined with the sexual revolution, almost inseparable, what they're saying is, but if we don't redefine marriage, if we just opt out of marriage, if we don't redefine it, then we are allowing what's called heteronormativity.

And that produces a binary where you have, it's normal, but the majority of people in your society are having heterosexual marriage. And so they're forming a society that is designed to give the most benefits to privileges to people who have heterosexual marriages.

So you have to break heteronormativity. And you do that by making marriage a state institution instead of a God uniting institution, which no matter what anybody says, only God unites a man and woman.

No government does. And then the state, once they own it in their own thinking, they redefine it to break the heteronormativity. So in their idea, this is the Marxist side of it, a society will be built, will create itself that has equal privileges to somebody, whether it's one man with one man, one man with three dogs, one man with one woman.

It's this non-binary utopia. And then so now, if a man and a woman are married, they have no natural privileges above anybody else. Well, the problem with that is that, of course, there is heteronormativity is abounds because that's God's design.

So God doesn't design just ambiguously. I just feel like there should be a man and woman. We know it glorifies Christ in the church, but also on a practical level, that's how a marriage and then a family is built and society is built.

And so there are going to be benefits. And then this ungodly movement wants to say, wants to strip marriage of all its benefits so it will stop being an oppressive institution. See, I'm saying they politicized marriage.

An individual would just say, well, I opt out. I don't care if marriage is just between a man and a woman. I don't want to be married. I can have all the men I want and as many as I want, but that's not politicizing it.

I have to politicize it because this is activism. This is collected activism. This is not individual opting out of something.

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So, just mark that on your calendar for Thursday, April 30th. But we're now back, and we are continuing to discuss this book, Sex, Gender, and the Gospel, God's Design in a Confused World, by Joe Owen, who is my guest today.

And by the way, the foreword to this book was written by Ken Ham. It's a beautiful hardback book. We do have a listener in Glasgow, Kentucky, who says, How much do you blame the evangelical church at large for their failures, which I believe led to the catastrophe we are witnessing with rampant homosexuality being celebrated and transgenderism becoming normal?

Yeah, I think it's Carl Truman and his collection of essays that's turned into a book called The Wages of Spin. If I remember right, it's the last chapter or the next to last chapter. He made a very good observation on this.

He said, as a church, we can't even begin to start dealing with this until we first go back and establish our belief on biblical inerrancy and biblical sufficiency. The point he was making, I agree with that.

You can see a lot of this is the church is not standing on biblical sufficiency and authority. Also, we'll have a biblical answer to that as well. In Romans 1, the apostle Paul is paraphrasing Genesis 1.

You go to verse 18,. For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and righteousness of men, who by their unrighteousness suppress the truth. And Dr. Weiss, I like his example, like taking a beach ball at the pool and holding it down.

You're holding it down constantly, trying to hold it down underneath water. We're suppressing the truth. Notice when you get to verse 21, For although they knew God, they did not honor him as God or give thanks to him, but they became futile in their thinking, their foolish hearts were darkened.