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What time did you get here? Congratulations Can I submit to you something just real quick sir?

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Just real quick. Okay Joseph Smith and the King Paul at this course. He said you have imagined and supposed that God was

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God from all eternity I will repeat that idea and take away the veil so that you may see you have got to learn to become

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God's just as prophet Lorenzo snow said As God is man was was and as man is and as God is man may become right, right?

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So if we go to scripture in Deuteronomy 13 1 there's the test of a prophet straight from God Straight from the mouth of God.

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He says if a prophet comes around you he's performing signs and wonders He's doing miracles, even if it looks legit, right, but he's leading you after other gods

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Don't believe don't believe them and we know in the Bible that it says in Isaiah 43 10 that before me

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There was no God formed and neither shall there be after me. Okay, I even I am the Lord beside me. There is no savior

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Okay, so what we know from Joseph Smith he says that God's not God from all eternity That he was once a man who's exalted

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Exaltated to become a god. Okay, what the Bible says is it? Well someone if it God's preached to you that's different than scripture, even if there's signs and wonders don't believe them

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So Joseph Smith's already failed the first test of a prophet How do you reconcile with scripture?

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What Joseph Smith says in his words? How do you reconcile with what the Bible says if he failed the first test of a prophet?

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Jesus says that they'll be many who come in my name saying Lord Lord, but he'll say depart from me I've never knew you you workers of iniquity when you die.

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We're you know, I just I know question back at you like what

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What what is this I mean is this

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I Don't know I believe I believe in Jesus. I know it right here. I can't deny it

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I've been through things that I just know I know Jesus is my Savior. I know Joseph Smith is a prophet I know the

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Book of Mormon is true, and I just can't deny it and I guess I wonder like what's If we follow the example of Jesus Christ, like he said he spread love and doing good things.

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I mean, I feel like I'm not being loving right?

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No, no, no, no. No, it's not that and please don't take it like that. No, I just want it I wonder like what what motivates, you know

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Hot Sunday morning to be out here, you know, like I don't I Kind of a mud, you know

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You know, like I believe what I believe in and I try and hold that sacred and I try and let other people do

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Others I guess that's my that's my you know, but it does question is But anyway, what was the question that you wanted to ask me

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I guess I just wonder what motivates what motivates you You know Please don't take that By any means

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I want to let you know to we love Love you guys, that's why we're out here. So Jesus Christ himself.

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I know you you talked about vague neutrality in a sense where it's like He says unless you believe that echo

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I me which is that I am right the Jesus says opposite If you love me

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He also says that love abhors what is evil it seems to what it's good

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Loving is telling people who are heading into a church that teaching a false gospel about a Christ that did not exist a

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Christ of fiction to say stop And that's fair no,

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I appreciate you saying that because if that's what if that's if that's your motivation If that's what you believe then I'm all for like that. That's you.

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That's cool, right? Well, here's the issue though So if we also talk about motivations or a means to an end if we read in 2nd

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Corinthians 11 verse 4 It talks about Paul talks about false Christ Christ that don't exist.

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It also talks about it So I'm not gonna doubt you Experience is valid because it says in 1st

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John to test the spirits So listen listen and also in 2nd Corinthians 11 at the end of the chapter

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Paul then starts saying that there's people who disguise themselves doing works of righteousness But their means to an end corrupt their so one of us is deceived.

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Well, you're saying but here's the thing Why are you doing those things? Is it to become a god or is it to glorify

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God? So if you're doing something to become a god You're you're you're means to an end are corrupting the deeds, right?

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I exist to glorify God and enjoy him forever I'm not out here with any type of righteous work for myself.

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I don't deserve it The beauty of the gospel my friend is that the eternal God Right that God that God not created not created not the

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Self no beginning No, man took on flesh mine for died of death that you and I deserve

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Rose from the dead the right hand of the father who is reigning now and his righteousness all of this So my issue is

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Then you're gonna try to make up some of those Six he says that there's a different gospel that is preached and it's a gospel of works because he's talking about Circumcision that people were preaching that people had to be circumcised in order to come to Christ He says no

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Tell me if I'm wrong, but it's let's say in Mormon theology Let me know if I'm wrong if I were to die and I go to spirit prison would it be right, right?

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So we have a term, right? So we would have baptism for the dead and laying on hands that would happen in conjunction in this reality here

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People would get baptized for the dead and they'd be laid on hand Because that has to happen in order to get to specific levels of the three levels of heaven, right?

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Those are works right if I were to die is let's say I was in the desert, dude And I believe in Jesus someone preaches to me the gospel of Jesus Christ the true gospel of the eternal

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God Because we're talking about two different Jesus this year. I'm talking about the one important scripture not just If I were to die or not be baptized,

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I would still go be with God Because that's just a work that represents my faith in Christ, right?

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It's it's opposite here. That's part of your yoke. That's part of that heavy burden that you have to wear We've talked to many

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Mormons who have come out of the LDS Religion sir, and they talk about that And I and I it's to my understanding that I just want you to be free from that Not free grace free to sin but free to love the eternal

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God who literally takes that part of stone and replaces it with the heart of flesh The God that will be in you

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And he will work out everything for you. That that's the hope that we're here offering today, sir

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Well, and I I think that's I think that's great. And that's why I asked about, you know, your motivation You know, you always kind of wonder with stuff like this.

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I serve, you know, i'm sure you're familiar with missions Right. I serve a mission and you know, it's a it's an odd thing to be out in the world walking up to people

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Hey, you want to talk about Jesus, right? Right, but I think it's a good thing because I think anytime you're spreading the word of Jesus You know, and I think there's and I understand what you're saying.

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I really do have to get home. I do have a He was up all night. I'm exhausted but you know, I just I You know

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We differ and that's okay. Amen. It is okay, you know, and that's take that's fine. I'm happy to take it.

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I think it's it's I I End the story.

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I appreciate you guys are doing good things. You're out here talking about Jesus and I think we can differ and I think it's okay to differ and to love and just you know,

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I I gotta go home I I really do. I have a screaming toddler at home right now.