The End of A B O R T I O N in Oklahoma?

I would say if the authorities didn't want us involved in the public square, they ought not to have crucified Jesus in the public square.

Use humanistic principles. Well, I would say the same idea. I would say that. I would say, what's the problem with stardust bumping into stardust? In the cosmic picture, none. There's no problem. In the cosmic picture, it won't matter.

No, Mr. President, you are not protecting reproductive freedom. You are authorizing the destruction of freedom for one million little human beings every year. I'm sorry, my friends, but I am tired of seeing Jesus presented as a weak beggar.

He is a powerful savior, and the gospel is not a suggestion. It is a command. Ramola, don't you sympathize with that? I sympathize with every single human heart wishing to know the one true and living God, but I believe there's only one way that that can happen through Jesus Christ, and the gospel is about repenting of sin, not celebrating it.

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Let's just do this. Touch us quickly, Joy. You did, with Joy, on Sheologians, which you can get at ApologiaStudios .com or Sheologians .com, right? Yes. I don't think that that domain would be taken by anybody else, right?

No. Considering Luke made it up, right? Yep. That's right. So you just did a two-part thing with Dr. White on Munster, Germany. Munster, Germany. Did you know that Parmesan cheese is only technically Parmesan cheese if it's signed, sealed, and delivered from the region in Italy?

Yeah, it's like champagne. It's only champagne if it's from the place in France.

Everything else is a knockoff. What's it called? Parmesan? When you pull Parmesan cheese off the craft, they're like, you ain't eating Parmesan cheese.

I think it probably says something like Parmesan style cheese or something like that.

Do you know when you see those enormous wheels of Parmesan cheese with all the little stamps on the side of it and everything? That's legit.

Like they might have at Fogo de Chaux. They do have it at Fogo de Chaux.

And what's special about Fogo de Chaux? Well, we'll talk about that in a second because I want to do that. It's the next thing we're doing. So tell everybody so that they go listen to it because it's really, really good.

Tell everyone about what you did with Dr. White on Sheologians.

Well, first of all, I'm going to apologize because what I realize is that the jacket that I'm wearing is the exact same color as the background of our set. And I'm totally blending in right now.

You are! You're just a floating head.

I am. I'm a floating head. Talking head.

Oh, that's cool. Good thing your hair is blue.

It's like a perfect match. Like it's the exact same color. It goes well with our pagan symbol up here.

Yeah. It's not really. Calm down, flat earthers.

Okay, so we had Dr. White on. Every once in a while, Sheologians, we like stories. We believe that stories are important. And so every once in a while, we'll tell a story that we like. And so we had Dr. White on and he told us his favorite crazy church history story, which was the Munster Rebellion.

And it involves cults and polygamy and people who say they can talk to God and they can't. And they can't. And insane battles that you would never believe. 13 against 500 and that sort of thing. Wow. And so we released on Monday, we released the first part and then we did a second part where he kind of wraps up the story.

And then we talk about some application and stuff like that. So the second part is going to be coming out this next Monday, which is I don't even know the date of next Monday. But if you're watching this right now, next Monday and according to Dr. White, the second episode is when it starts to get weird.

But I don't know if I agree with that estimation, but because it's already weird. But it's a great story. You'll be shocked. You haven't heard anything about it your entire life. Other than like after you hear the story, you won't just think cheese when you hear the name Munster.

Right.

Yeah. And he was saying it could easily become a movie. Oh, yeah.

Why hasn't Hollywood made a movie? Yeah. It should be like a there should be like a little docuseries thing on it. Yeah. They do. The Munster Cheese tapes. Yes. Yeah, that's it. Yeah. Good name. I don't know when that cheese actually started being.

Was it before or after this event? Does anyone like Munster Cheese? I do. Do you? Yeah. That's what they put on the Hawaiian grilled cheese in Kauai. Yeah, that is true. Very, very good.

Yes. So I highly recommend. Obviously, I'm going to highly recommend because it's the show I do. But I think that it was a particularly entertaining show. And I recommend that everyone go listen to it.

Sheologians. You get it at ApologiaStudios .com or at Sheologians .com. Make sure you guys check out that show with Summer Jaeger Meister and Joy Hunter. It's really hard for me to get those names right because I've had them a certain way.

And now we have marriages and all these different things. And so it makes it hard on me. Sorry. Technically, they're both Hunter. Yeah. That's right. Yeah, that's right. Very good. Isn't that amazing?

It's so weird. So speaking of Kauai, you mentioned Munster Cheese and Kauai.

One might say I know my ex at cheeses. Yes, you do. Yes. Very good.

Meatfest 2019 and the Kauai Church Plant

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Audience Shout-Outs and the Need to Share the Show

You see, this is cool. All the people today from all over the place listening. We got a lot of states. Irish. We got, yeah, there's multiple countries like Ireland, India, Lebanon, South Africa, UK, Maricopa.

That was a joke. Maricopa? That was for you, Dusty. Yeah. Yeah, all over a bunch of states. Michigan, Indiana, Oklahoma.

Yeah, lots of people from Oklahoma State. And just real fast.

Kenya. Responding to our live audience here. First of all, thank you guys so much for loving us and blessing us. It's been an encouragement. We have a very important guest on today we're about to introduce.

So get ready for that. Very important. We need you to share this episode. Because what is happening right now in Oklahoma is so huge. It is so important. And we have to work together as the church, no matter where you're at, to make this happen.

But just a quick thing to our Willie Mays fan here. He said, Apologia Studio, I've emailed you two separate times with a question and you've never answered. I need answers. I just want to apologize. Just so you know, we receive hundreds of messages a day across all of our platforms and emails.

We just don't have the ability to get to every one of them. We promise you we're not trying to ignore you. It's just we are limited. We only have a very small staff here. And we only have a certain amount of fingers.

Well, if you emailed the contact email, then I'm the one person here that reads them. If you Facebook, generally that's Luke. And he's the only one that handles those. Yes. Just because. And just, yeah.

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And I just apologize. I can't. I cannot. So we love you all. We're blessed by you. And let's talk right now about something so important. We need you to be with us. Partner with us in this. Share this content.

You've got to be a part of this. Many of you guys know we're going to start the first half of the show on this subject and do another half here on end times discussion stuff. Yes. But you know that we have a main focus and mission at Apologia Church to equip the church globally.

It's happening globally. But specifically nationwide in the United States to equip the church to go and bring the gospel to where the killings are taking place to save lives. God has saved thousands of lives through the ministry of End Abortion Now, through raising up local churches.

We have taken care of all their needs. We have provided all the free training, all the free resources, just to bless these churches so they can start their own mercy ministries with the gospel at the abortion mills, telling the truth about abortion, bringing the gospel into conflict with it, and saving lives, and providing for the needs of these mothers and fathers.

So that's one aspect of End Abortion Now is just bringing the church into conflict with abortion. The other aspect of End Abortion Now is to bring the gospel into conflict with abortion at the legislative level and to fight for justice for the pre-born.

And so many of you guys know that we've been trying to raise up churches for that mission as well. This year we started going to city councils, and I'm going to play some of that for you guys after we talk to Senator Silk.

We've been going to city councils and raising up churches across the country to do the same. It has happened a number of times now to demand justice for the pre-born, an immediate end to abortion, and to bring the Christian worldview and the gospel into conflict with the culture of death.

So there's a lot of elements to this. There's shaping the mind of the culture, changing the mind of the culture that we're trying to be involved in. We're going to be training churches this year to start their own media ministries to come into conflict with abortion nationwide.

All of these things are happening. We're spinning a lot of plates here, but I want you to hear this. All this talk about bringing the gospel to the abortion mill, that's one aspect. It cannot just be that.

It can't just be that. That's where the killing is taking place. It needs to be that, but there's a much larger mission afoot. And that is that, of course, we have to engage the culture at the media level, in the public square, across the damn internets, all that stuff.

But we have to do it at the legislative aspect as well. And we have a brother in Oklahoma. His name is Senator Joseph Silk, and he is my hero. He's my hero. I mean that. Flattery is a sin. Everyone knows that I believe that, and he is my hero.

I am so encouraged by this man and the work that he's doing. I'm just going to play you a quick clip here to introduce you. This was from two years ago. This was Senator Joseph Silk on the news. And, by the way, it is frustrating to no end that this is so hidden by the media.

When you look up Senator Joseph Silk on YouTube, you should see thousands and thousands and thousands and thousands of videos and support and newscasts and everything else, and it's hard to find because it is silent.

But this is from two years ago. Senator Joseph Silk did SB 1118. You might remember that we did some stuff to try to support Joseph Silk. From our end over here, we tried to expose Tony Lowinger, the vice president of National Right to Life, and his worldview, which is inconsistent with the Christian worldview and the issue of justice.

We tried to make sure everyone understood this is where this is coming from. Tony Lowinger was killing the bill that would have ended abortion in Oklahoma. This is from a newscast from two years ago, and here you go.

Senator Silk says he's aggravated, he's frustrated that Bill 1118 hasn't even gotten a hearing yet on the Senate floor. He now has less than 24 hours to fight for the idea that life begins at conception.

And at 10 weeks, just at 10 weeks, those kids, they look like babies. They have feet, fingers, toes, everything.

If it becomes law, Bill 1118 would allow for no exceptions to abortion, no age-related distinctions, and calls the procedure a homicide.

When you take that life, it's classified as first-degree murder whoever performs the abortion that intentionally kills that human embryo.

But what about when the life of the mother is at stake? It still wouldn't make it legal.

Even worst-case scenario of a ruptured fallopian tube, there's a procedure that can keep that mother completely fine.

So that was SB 1118, and it was stopped by people in the pro-life movement. Believe it or not, that is the case. The pro-life movement is on a general course to not end abortion completely, to not do away with it, to not abolish it, to end it, to criminalize it.

They are seeking to incrementally work their way down, but they're not pursuing ending abortion and just outright criminalizing it. So we are on today with Senator Joseph Silk, who has presented SB 1113 in Oklahoma right now, and we need to find out how to help him.

Senator Joseph Silk on SB 13 and the Abolition of Abortion

So, Senator Silk, thank you for joining us on the show today. Hi, Hank. How are you guys doing? Very, very, very good. More importantly, how are you doing right now? What's happening in Oklahoma?

Well, we are just continuing the fight. Senate Bill 13, as you've described, would actually call for the abolition of abortion in Oklahoma real quickly. It just defines life beginning at the moment of fertilization and offers that life equal protections just like any other life has.

And we've been fighting in the Senate. They have now confirmed as of yesterday that the Health and Human Services Committee chairman will not hear the bill. I talked to him. He did not give me any specific reasons.

They're just trying to kill that bill. The Catholic Archdiocese has came out against the bill, and then just today the Baptist General Convention of Oklahoma has released a statement in a statewide letter saying that they also opposed the bill.

This is absolutely incredible, Senator Silk. We have organizations that profess to be pro-life and believe that life begins at conception. They profess to have a Christian worldview, and they are not pursuing the end of abortion.

Senator Silk, why?

They value the court's opinion over essentially natural law and the law of God. And that's because one of the things that Senate Bill 13 does is it does offer nullification rights to the legislature and the executive branch if the court throws out Senate Bill 13 as unconstitutional, which it is constitutional because it protects life.

It offers the right for the executive branch and the legislature to essentially say thank you for your opinion, Supreme Court, despite what you say we are going to protect life. A lot of these pro-life organizations and church institutions can't get over that fact.

And that's really the way that our republic is supposed to work. The courts were never allowed to just rule whatever they wanted and have the last word. But that's a lie that they've bought into. The other main thing that they're held up on on this bill, Senate Bill 13 repeals every single piece of pro-life legislation that has been put on the books over the past 43 years.

They're very offended by that, but what they don't understand, and I've spoken to them, I've spoken to the pro-life groups in the churches and the statewide church organizations, I said you do realize that if Roe v. Wade were overturned today, abortion would still be legal in Oklahoma because you have all this pro-life regulation and legislation on the books.

So we have to get rid of it, and they just can't get over the fact that we're actually abolishing abortion and not playing the regulation game.

The States, Roe v. Wade, and Pro-Life Legislation

So this is important for all of our listeners right now around the world. If you've checked out for a minute here, I need you to come back and listen to something very, very critical. This is critical, and it comes as a surprise to many people, people who, as Christians, we all say, well, we're pro-life.

That's our team, right, the pro-life team. You need to understand this. This is so critical. It is an endgame kind of thing. Everything is hanging on this. We say that Roe v. Wade needs to be overturned.

No, it doesn't. That's not how our country works. Of course, it's a bootleg court opinion. It's fallacious from the 70s. It goes against what we know about biological science. Of course we know about the law of God, the word of God, most importantly.

But Roe v. Wade is not a law, and our country's founding documents state explicitly who creates law in our country, and it's not the Supreme Court. Congress makes laws. So what Senator Silk is saying here, if you didn't catch it, is that the states have the right, according to our governing documents, to be able to govern themselves and to oppose unlawful decrees like what we have in Roe v. Wade.

We do not have to yield to an unrighteous, unlawful decree and decision of a court in the 1970s. The states have the right to uphold the law. And when you think about what's happening in the states with these pro-life organizations, I need you to hear me on this, because this is critical.

And it's a shock when you find out. If Roe v. Wade is overturned tomorrow, the states that have these pro-life regulations are still going to have abortion in those states. Why? Because the pro-life legislation.

Because the incremental pro-life legislations that actually allow for abortion at a certain level, those become state law. And they hang there, so when Roe falls, the state goes, well, our books say that you can have an abortion at 16 weeks, at 18 weeks, at 20 weeks.

And interestingly, who wrote that legislation? Who approved it? The pro-lifers. The pro-lifers. Did you hear that? I hope that that peels back the curtains and the eyelids for a moment to see, oh my goodness, this has been pursued wrongly.

And wouldn't you know it, if we actually started fighting against abortion on a basis that was a faulty basis to begin with, that the Supreme Court gets to create law, and therefore we have to sort of fight against that, then of course all of our methodologies are going to be wrong because it's on the wrong foundation.

The states have the right to oppose this higher court's opinion when that opinion itself is unrighteous or unjust. You know, kind of like a long time ago, there was a situation where black people were allowed to be enslaved, right?

Didn't the states have the right to oppose such an idea at that point? Or how about today when we have Colorado, California, Washington, Arizona, all these states saying, no, we'll ignore federal drug laws because we're the sovereign state of Colorado.

We're the sovereign state of Arizona. And our people's medical needs, that's what we're going to focus on. Their needs, not what this federal drug law has. So we're going to oppose this higher thing here because of our people here.

Now what's interesting here is that we do it with marijuana, we do it with sanctuary cities for undocumented immigrants, but interestingly, we don't seem to have the courage to do it with the pre-born children that are being murdered in our midst.

Mobilizing Churches and Citizens for SB 13

Senator Silk, how can we help you right now? I was just with you last week, we got some stuff out there, it was seen by, I guess, hundreds of thousands of people, I suppose, and I know that a lot of emails went to Senator Smalley asking him to hear immediately SB 13.

We're in a new place now, so what can we do to help you?

So there's two things today because as of today, like I said, the Baptist General Convention of Oklahoma came out in opposition to the bill which has literally fractured the Baptist churches in our state.

I have a list of Baptist pastors that I have to call back because they're like, what is our state convention doing? So I would say to all the listeners, because this is a worldwide issue here, it's just Oklahoma at the front lines, so everybody needs to be engaged here.

Basically just Google Baptist General Convention of Oklahoma, get the executive leadership contact information, email them, call them, get on their Facebook page, do everything you can to let them know that the world is watching what the Baptist General Convention of Oklahoma just did, and we do not approve because we want to protect life.

The other thing is our group, our boots on the ground group here in Oklahoma, it's called Free the States, you can see them on freethestates .com. They've done a lot of work with you guys in the past, and so get on and support them and encourage them, and we're going to keep pushing it.

Okay, thank you, Senator Stokes. So Baptist General Convention Oklahoma. Right now we have 150 people watching live, and many, many, many more are going to see this. Let me just encourage everybody who is watching live, or you're watching this later on today, to the thousands of people that are going to be on here and watching this, let me encourage you right now to partner with us, right now, with Senator Silk, to actually put hands to all that we say constantly, right?

It's evil, it's an atrocity, it's murder, we need to stand up for these children. Let me ask you to not be about mere profession, but actually put some hands right now to this issue, and right now, do what Senator Silk said, go to Google, look up Baptist General Convention Oklahoma, look up the leadership, and you start sending emails, and then get 15 of your closest Christian friends, get them in on this with you, and extend this, and start messaging, and honestly, be respectful, of course, but say, how dare you?

Yeah. How dare you? How dare you not support Senator Silk and this bill that would actually do what we always say is what needs to be done? How dare you not support? How dare you not protect? We need you to actually be faithful with your commitments, and so that's important.

These are moments, everyone, where we see internal contradictions, we see internal tension and contradictions that we have to actually start doing something about. Be courageous, brothers and sisters.

Let me just be very frank with you here, and I won't let you guys talk to Senator Silk, so think about what you want to maybe ask here. You know, it may be that we've held these children in our arms. It may be that.

It may be that we've actually held children who were literally seconds away from being dismembered in our arms, or I've been preaching over a pulpit with little girls running around my church that were about to be slaughtered, and because of the gospel proclamation, that didn't happen, that mom turned away.

It may be because I've kissed and hugged these little kids that we are so passionate about that, but let me encourage you to enter into this with us because it's worth your whole life. When I held my first baby in my arms that was saved from death in an abortion mill, Carmelo, it changed me.

It changed me forever, and it ought to change you as well to consider that there are thousands of children alive today, alive today, because of this work of bringing the gospel into conflict with abortion, being consistent Christians and actually doing what we say we believe and engaging in this.

I want to encourage you to right now participate. We need you. I'm not asking you to get involved in petty partisan political issues. I'm not asking you to put signs in your yard for a particular figure.

I'm asking you to partner on principle, on what is righteous and just. You need to pray for Senator Silk. Pray for this hero. Pray for this man. Pray for this brother, this Christian, who is standing up for what is right, and he is doing what is glorifying to God and what is right for these children.

He's a hero. You need to support him. He's the kind of man that I know, I trust with all my heart, is going down in the history books. This will be part of history, and we need your help. This is where you get to be a part of it, brothers and sisters.

I've received this question multiple times this week. I will tell you what my response was, but I was hoping you can give an official response as the sponsor of the bill. The question I keep hearing is, well, is there an exception for the life of the mother?

You have to choose one or the other. My response is always, well, that's a false narrative that's put forth by the pro-choice movement. The answer is that you try to save both lives. But as far as officially from how it's worded in the bill, could you give an official response to that?

Yeah, so it's not only a false narrative that's put out by the pro-choice movement. It's actually a false narrative that our churches and our pro-life movement is putting out because essentially when it comes to, in case of the life of the mother, that exemption, that doesn't exist.

So whenever they carve out that exception, they're talking about tubal pregnancies and ectopic pregnancies. In 1917, they've been able to transfer, they've had successful transfer process where they transfer that child to the uterus where it needs to go.

So there's a huge line of medical checklist that they need to do to save and to value both the mother and the child's life. Unfortunately, default practice is if you're diagnosed with a tubal or ectopic pregnancy, they just go in and kill it.

But specifically to Senate Bill 13, Senate Bill 13, all we did is we took some other medical terminology that essentially charges the doctor and mandates that they exhaust all life possibilities for both mother and child.

That's what they have to do. And whatever those medical procedures are, our medical community has got to start valuing both mother and child's lives equally.

Yes. That's awesome. I appreciate that. I mean, that question always hits home with me personally. Reason being, my grandparents were missionaries in the jungle in Africa. My mom was actually an ectopic pregnancy and God miraculously moved her into the right position and she was born healthy.

And so when I hear someone say, I've known, we've known women that they had that happen and the doctor said, well, you have no choice. You have to abort the baby and they give her a pill. And it was like, no, no, no, that's not true.

So I'm glad to hear that. I mean, I figured that was the case. I just didn't know what the language and stuff was in the bill. So thank you for that, Senator Silk. Yep. Joy.

I was just going to ask you to maybe, so we just asked people to partner with us, partner with you and make contact with people that aren't hearing this. But maybe if you just want to explain the benefit of a person, a legislator or whoever, receiving a flood of support to hear a bill like this.

No, that's, I mean, there's a, there,.

It definitely gets attention. So with Senate Bill 13, and I know I did, you know, some interviews with Jeff when he came here, that got attention. It got Senator Smalley's attention. Unfortunately, we had some higher level leadership that came in and essentially, I think they told him, we're not going to hear this.

And so the same thing with not only legislators, when they hear the people, massive amounts of people saying the same thing, such in this case, we have got to stop abortion. And they hear how different that narrative is than the pro-life.

It really is very, very impactful to legislators. But now here in Oklahoma, now we have to change. Now we have to get the church on board because in Oklahoma, you know, Bible Belt area, the Southern Baptist General Convention of Oklahoma holds a lot of weight.

And the same thing with that leadership. If we now start taking this message and saying, listen, DGCO, you guys have got to make just a stance that your church convention believes that abortion should be ended immediately.

Their leadership needs to hear that. And when they adopt that gospel truth about life beginning at conception and the state government actually upholding justice, they're going to, it's going to be a lot, they're going to be more powerful and more effective to actually get into the churches and lobby the legislature.

And it'll be a, it's a constant education cycle, but the massive amounts of emails and calls that both the legislature, the senate can receive, but also the Baptist General Convention of Oklahoma leadership, it's very, very impactful.

Legislative Timelines and How the Bill Can Still Move

Yes. Senator Sokol, how much time do we have left in terms of to keep working through this? I know I saw some billboards go up in Oklahoma, which I was very encouraged to see, that can sort of put a name and a face to what is holding all this back for Oklahomans and Christians to know, like, okay, where do we need to direct our responses and our commentary?

I thought that was a very effective strategy. But how much time do we have left?

So the bill to work through the regular legislative process, we've got until next Thursday. Okay. So essentially a week to have, to give that bill a hearing. So that's why it's so important for everybody to continue to stay engaged, even though the chairman has said, I'm probably not going to hear that this year.

There's nothing that makes it dead. I mean, it's still alive. It's still, still well. So we need to continue the pressure on the senate leadership, Oklahoma senate leadership. You can find all their contact information on oksenate .gov.

But then all, I mean, during that week, if we can keep the pressure on the Baptist General Convention of Oklahoma and see if we can continue to gain support from them and pressure them, we've got a week.

However, that does not mean, so if we miss the deadline at any time throughout the legislative session, so until the end of May, senate leadership can bring a bill and basically they don't have deadline requirements.

They don't have committee requirements. They can bring a bill directly to the senate floor for a vote. So we'll have to continue to engage them and keep pressure on them until the end of May. But then, even if it didn't get heard in Oklahoma, Senate Bill 13 will stay alive and well.