Perfect Faith, 1980 — Norman Grubb

Stillness and God’s Saving Action

This is the quiet part of our time. I'm glad it also says be still and know that I am God. I'll slip in on that one. Well, I have very loving memories of my last wonderful time with you. I took him back with me on my tours in different places and I've spoken many times of the flow of blessing I sense as here this morning, this evening.

Thank you for letting me be with you again. Now, each of us only share in what ways God has become the real self he is to us, that's all. Because, if I understand it right, the whole universe is one person in action, one person in love-saving action.

And the whole meaning of us is to be in that relationship by which he is fulfilling some of that saving action by us, by which he is himself again, by us. Now that meant for me, I have to stop back there and say it another way, that I had first to be brought into the condition in which I permanently locked myself.

Believers as Expressions of God

I'm Jesus Christ in human form, big thing to say. We humans are God in human form, that's a big thing to say. See, I couldn't act as God unless I know he's God acting by me, could I? I don't know if God's acting by me, if I'm acting as God.

That's exactly what we're to do. When Jesus, in a famous incident, said to a fig tree in passing, don't have no more fruit on your gain. He likes fig trees like everybody else, but he had a lesson to teach by this one.

So he winded it up in Mark 11. And when they came the next day, Peter said, look, a fig tree's winded up. But Jesus said, you do the same. Oh, I'm to do the same as the Son of God did. He said, you operate the faith of God.

The expression in Mark 11 is, have the faith of God. As God functions, fulfills his believing manifestations, you fulfill. You act as God. Strong, isn't it? Then he went straight on and said, just as he'd said to the fig tree, he said, if you've got a mountain, you say to that mountain, don't ask God to.

You say to the mountain, here, we'll get the tree. And don't doubt me hardly, you have what you say. So he's saying to it, you act as God. Strong, isn't it? He said, whatever you desire. Pretty big. I think it's far too much.

That's his show, not mine. Whatever you desire, when you pray, it's incidental. Believe you receive it. Prayer is incidental. Faith is fundamental. When you pray, believe you receive it. And the actual tense, the original tense says, receive, you received it on the spot.

Faith, Commitment, and the Permanent Union

That's how our brother says, how we've lived for years. I know that first of all, somewhat, through my friend Reece Howells, who's been my friend for 30 years. But I had to do it myself. You've got to sit by yourself, and God forces you to do it by yourself.

As we did it by ourselves, here's God, here's God, here's God. And we've been coming ever since. I refer, when I started that, to about 1931. Before some of you were here. And it's precisely the same.

Because the whole meaning is this living person re-expresses himself through people, in people, as people. And they are expressions of deity. I had something in there. You see, I had to find that out for myself When I'd been through the first precious steps of salvation through grace, they're precious enough.

They're the revelation of God's Spirit. When I'd moved through those, and he who becomes a distant figure in a book becomes the living person to me, of course, as he does when you're saved by grace. And I made the early first elementary commitment.

I never commit myself again. Poor me, he's got me. I read the little screen, I can't get out. I've got a book called, Once Caught, No Escape. I wouldn't waste a time committing myself. What a marvellous, he's committed himself to me.

What I gave, he took it, and took it good and hearty. And doesn't let go again. I don't believe it in and outside. I don't believe it being his today and not tomorrow. I know nothing like that. I know a total permanency.

Because, poor me, he's grabbed me. Didn't I grab him, he grabbed me. The secret of the faith is that the grabber's grabbed. But you've got to know it. You've got to know it. So my commitment was many years ago.

And then I began to... God's power came upon me, and I became a witness of the British Army. I became a witness of souls. I lost earthly promotion, but I got some heavenly promotion to it anyhow. And...

The Interfaith Fellowship and the Mission Field

I tell you, my colleagues today, when God broke through, we started that movement called the Interfaith Fellowship. It's spread to the world today. And then I got this called the Mission Field. Well...

Think I should say anything about that? Why? What could be more wonderful than God saying, you go where you've never heard about me? You can't have it? It's the highest thing on earth. Yes. When we were in the British Army, we used to say the highest thing would be in the front line for our country.

I used to say, well, the best thing would be on the front line for Jesus. Because that's where Jesus would have been preached. And that's where he sent me. And that's why I moved in for ten years, you know, in the Etiori forest, about a thousand miles of forest in the centre of Africa.

With many precious people there. What we talk about as our black gold. We owe. Well, that's it. Um... That's where I had to get these things into focus. Into focus. I hadn't got it wholly in focus. I had the relationship, but not the replacement.

Relationship, Replacement, and Sonship

I had the relationship. I hadn't got the union in which I'm not I but he. I hadn't got that. I got the relationship. It's the fall that gave us the relationship. At least Jesus Christ came back to it.

Because the fall parted us from God. If there'd been no fall, there'd be no parting. We would just have been always precious to God. So you get that, don't you? That's what a son's for. A son is to remarry if he has a father.

The simple reason is, a universal person is universal. He only can move, he has no agencies of moving. Otherwise he's universal. He has a sound form over which he can re-express himself. The simplest example is that.

Electricity's been here a long time. Well, for you all, I knew about it. I don't know where it is. What is it? I don't know. When it found a lamp, oh, here I am, light. Oh, I'm a lamp. We call a lamp.

Then he becomes a light. He has to have a lamp, have a light. I don't know why. He earned the power or something to do these funny things. So you see, a universal power can only operate if it has its means of manifestation.

And the son is the means by which the father is manifested. And a common-looking person on earth, Jesus, common carpenter, who knew who he was? Except those who care. A few had ears to hear and eyes to see, just a few.

And a few wonderful things he did. And, um, he would act as a total man. As I said to you, there was never any egotism in Jesus Christ. I am the way, I am the truth, I am the law, I am the life, I am the good, I am, I am, I am, I am.

Looked inside him and they said, Oh, I know nothing about myself. I know nothing. I do what I see the father do. That's me. They thought the father's up there, of course, somewhere. And they said, How do you make these strong statements?

Oh, I said, I know nothing about myself. And I hear I speak of him. You know, you know. So this terrific person was a nothing person. To be a something, you've got to be a nothing. That's the thing. You're partial wrong something, from wrong something to nothing, to right something.

That's a person. And then at the end of his life, when he had to do with it outwardly, because he wasn't in with it yet. He said, I've not come to be out there, I've come to be in here. I've come to command you in the spirit.

They said, that's where he stopped at the last stop. I was going to leave him. And then they said, Oh, show us the father. Thinking he's up there, he said, Have I been so long? Haven't you seen me, Philip?

Me? This is a man. And then he said, He who has seen me, has seen the father. So the son really expresses the father. And then John said, As he is, so are we in this world. Therefore, if we're, we're expressions of deity.

Knowing Christ as the Indwelling Life

And I'm only a real person when I know I'm that person. I'm not a real person until I hear about it, or read about it, or believe about it. Believing has dissolved into knowing. The great letter on union in the Bible is 1 John.

In the last chapter, believing disappears into, I know, I know, I know, I know. That's believing. Believing dissolves, I know. So you only are what you know you are. Then you operate as what you are. And here's the purpose of sons.

I didn't find that out because they didn't understand. Because the father separated me. So here's the father, and here's the son, and here's the Holy Spirit. He had come to me, so that's much I knew. And I felt that was the reason God had used me in power.

But still he was somewhat, just a relationship. I wanted a replacement. A replacement. I wanted him to replace me. Not be side by side with me. It's not good enough. I didn't want Christ for me, or by me, or with me, or in me.

I wanted him as me. Christ is me. That's not what it is. That's what he was made for. That's what Jesus was. Do you see me? Do you see the father? I look like a son. The whole deity is Christ by me. And then John says, that's what you are.

As he is, so are we in this world. I didn't know that. It's too far on for an unsaved person to know. It's pretty good far on when you just get saved, either. Because you've been so far away, it's just a step into a relationship.

And I got that far in Africa. He was my Saviour. He was my Lord. I had the Spirit, and I was operating. I was delighted. I could say I was delighted to bring my wife over to Jesus. And live among the Africans.

Oh, nothing except honour. I hadn't got it in focus somewhere. And I saw it in that scripture which said in Galatians 4 .19, Paul said to his Galatian congregants who had gone some way. They had gone some way.

They had the Spirit, had the justification, had got there. He said, I travel in the birth of Christ. He's fallen in you. Now that caught me. I said, I'm taking Christ to them. I had to learn the language.

I'm living all those parts out. But it didn't say, I bring Christ to you. Christ has fallen in you. They're using a birth demonstration. He says, I travel in birth. Christ has fallen in you. Oh, I said, that means, in other senses, one who's passed like an embryo in you because a fully formed person.

I said, my, if a fully formed Jesus Christ is in me, there's not much room for me. Ain't much room for two there. Oh, I saw something. If a fully formed Christ is in you, where's me? I don't know. That's exactly where I am.

When this happens. That's at that stage. I didn't know that, you see. Because I'd been duped by the devil who thought, there's something in my self-development. The devil's Mr. Self for self. He's Mr. Self without God.

Salvation as a Change of Deities

Run your own show and do your own best. Which is your worst. That's the devil. The devil's not some pleasant person. He's highly respectable. He's self for self. There's good men running about. You've been one too.

All right. He's self for self. Self for self. Out of that come all our sins and pastures. That's what he is. Self out of my own self. He got us infected by that to the fore. With our own selves. So I was caught up by that.

I thought, oh, I must be a better self. In Africa, I thought, well, yes. I must have some love. I must have a new love relationship with my fellow Africans. I must have more faith. We're talking about that.

I must have more power. I must have more victory. I must have more love for my fellow missionaries. All the usual pressures of the flesh and so on. And that's where God said to me, you've got it all wrong.

And that's where he said that tremendous word to me, which unless it's reversed, will mean to you, God is love. See, I didn't know the whole universe is one person. I do now. The whole universe is one person manifested.

I didn't know that. Well, God is love. God is the person, isn't he? So love isn't a thing, it's he. But love everywhere. Animals love each other. Life's full of love. Beautiful. Misused love, alrightly used.

Therefore, God's everywhere, and everything. If God is love, every form of love is some form of God. Oh. He's an incredibly bigger person, I understood. And straight away, I got cut off, because I thought I'd had love.

You've never had love, because I've got a lot. He's the most greedy person in the universe. I'm glad he is. He doesn't give bits, he gives the whole. That's himself. Not a bad gift. At that time, power.

I needed power. I thought power was in different things, and it came out of Jesus Christ. I said, Christ is the power. No. Power is a person. Christ is the power. Christ is the person. He's rather manifested in some form.

So power is a person. Well, power is everywhere. Power is everywhere. So Christ is everywhere. Everything must be some form of Christ. I hadn't seen that. One person is especially much beautiful. I didn't know that.

That's when you become in harmony. When you are operating in relation to one, and as that one, you're in harmony. Because we're made for one. We're hungry for one. That's what we're hungry for. The one, that's the one.

Because we come out, we're part of the one. The one, the one, the one. We come back to the one. When you're saved, you've just begun to come home to one. Just begun. That's what he said to me. And what you are, all you are is an old tin can.

That's all you are. He said, you're just a vessel. Shouldn't you become loving, or you become me powerful? You're a vessel. You're a tin can. You wrestle too much. Stop wrestling. Give me a chance. I learned something.

I learned that a human is only a container and nothing else. A human has no nature. It's just the devil made us think we have nature. We have no nature. We have the nature of the deity operating by us.

That's all we are. And I listed them all together. The Bible said we're a vessel, a vessel and a container. The Bible said we're a branch. A branch hasn't got a nature. It's explicitly a branch. The Bible says we're a temple.

The temple isn't the point. The point is there's a God in the temple. The temple is there just to manifest the God. The Bible says we're slaves. Slaves are owned by bosses. They just do the stuff of the boss.

Every human being is a slave. It depends on which God. It depends on which God. It depends on which God. So I began to catch on. And then I began to see the fruit, the Garden of Eden. I began to see, of course, what happens when you eat the fruit goes with you.

So the symbol of the fruit, the Garden of Eden, is what you take goes with you. Now the Bible distinctly says if Adam and Eve had taken the right fruit they'd have got eternal life. Eternal life isn't a fruit, it's a person.

So once you know that fruit symbolises the Lord Jesus Christ, if you took the right fruit you've got Jesus Christ. It happened to all of us, if we know it. It's happened to all of us, unless you know it.

And I didn't know it then, then fully. You won't operate. You only operate once you know. However, that's it. But if you had taken the right fruit symbolises the Lord Jesus Christ, if you had taken the wrong fruit symbolises Satan.

I never knew that Satan lived in us before. I didn't know I was run by a false deity. And that's why I was self-centred and not, wasn't me. Because my humanity was beautiful. The devil only stole me, he didn't make me.

I'm beautifully made. Satan messed me up on Ruth and God's un-messed me, that's all. Then be back again, that's all. I'm beautiful, so are you. Don't you run yourself down, run yourself up. If you run yourself up, you run the neighbour up too, for a change.

You love yourself, you love your neighbour. If God thinks you think good, you think good of yourself. And then think good of your brothers too. I didn't know, we're beautiful. I didn't know that humans contained somewhat like today, a computer and a programmer.

You modern folks know more about that than I do. Computers do wonderful things, only they're programmed. They can't play chess unless they're programmed to play chess. They're going to beat you. They can't do these mathematical equations unless they're programmed to.

What type of programming can they do? We are containment programmed, and our program is a deity. Which deity? And we started with a false deity. We had to, because you've got to learn the sense. You've got to learn the sense by doing the wrong thing, dropping it, and then changing it for right.

The False Deity and Human Sin

The way you learn the profession is you learn how not to do it, before you learn how to do it. You're not competent unless you say, I don't use my tools that way, I use them this way. I don't cook that way or cook this way.

At least I hope you wouldn't do that for a husband's sakes, anyhow. And you don't practice medicine that way, practice it this way. You've got to discard the wrong and stick with the right. So we had to go the wrong way.

So it's a man's act. We had to be self-centered souls. But we are not ourselves. We're expressing this as self-centeredness, which is Satan. Self-loving, self-gratifying, self-seeking self. He hid that so he didn't even know it.

You see, he pretends that he's a self-sufficient soul. He's only a servant of God, always laughing at the devil. God laughs at him. If we fuck about with the devil, God laughs at him. He's a salmon too.

When men rage with God, he says, I sit in heaven and laugh, have a good old laugh with those silly folk. I just use them to manifest my son, that's all. God uses evil to manifest good, always. So when you have evil, have a good laugh.

I've been laughing at communism for a long time. I've fucked about communism, it's shown I'll keep the Christ. There's a vast turn back today that Jesus Christ is not because of it. We disillusion the other self, we see the rottenness of it.

And the rottenness has pushed us back to find some reality in living the heart. So communism is a good agent of Jesus Christ. We fuss about it, we fuss. As you suffer in communism, the best people suffer from Jesus.

Suffering isn't death, suffering is the way you take it. Oh, it's in the order of the poor person in prison. Are you in prison in here? When you're alive here, you love your prison. Haven't you read Charles Coulson?

And born again, he loved being in prison because he found prison could be where he could bring Jesus. There's no prison outside the self. It doesn't bring a prisoner from it to trouble. It's on your prison to yourself.

If you're instead of being a prisoner to yourself, you're God's free person, you're giving heaven in the prison. You're giving heaven in the prison. So it's outside evil, the only precious thing is to bring us inside good, that's all.

See, Satan had duped us. Satan made us think we're people. He was just a Mr. Independent. We were really only expressing himself. You get that? Humans never had a human nature. Still left, silly people teaching humans have two natures.

Humans express a deity nature. Humans exist to express a deity in form, but you can express a wrong deity in sacrament. So when the Bible says, God said to me, you're a vessel. Which? A vessel of wrath or a vessel of mercy?

Oh, I find they're two vessels. A vessel of wrath is the one Satan's coming through with wrath. A vessel of mercy is Jesus Christ coming through with mercy. I find when it says you're only a branch of a vine, which vine?

I'm a true vine and you're a false vine. Oh, we've been a branch of two fruits. A fruit bears the false vine. And then a true vine. I say when it says we're temples, the Bible says you can be the temple of the idol.

One can be the temple of the living God, two can be the six. Which one? Which God's in the temple? Which boss? Are you a boss of sin? Are you owned by sin or owned by righteousness? Sin is Satan, righteousness is Jesus Christ.

Now you see, it's only when I got understood I was a God possessed person with a wrong God. And what I thought was me wasn't at all. I was me. And Jesus hit his nail. Jesus is pretty good at hitting things on the nail.

He saw a thing or two. Do you get that? John 8. He was in controversy with the Pharisees. They were opposing him. You read. He said, I do the things I see with my father. You do the things you see with your father.

Hey, with you? What do you mean? We're not born of fornication. God's our father. If God was your father, you'd know me, of course, of the Son, he said. Jesus said. If God was your father, you'd know the Son.

Then you read. John 8 .44. He said, you, that's us in our deemed vision, are of your father the devil, the lust of your father you will do. Well, I always thought I didn't know lust. I was juked. All those lusts and hates and fears of his, weren't mine at all.

They were Satan expressing his Satanhood by me. I was just an agent. I didn't know that. Human expresses a deity, and the character of the deity, the lust of your father you will do. And when I saw that, it said in 1 John, it says that we're loving one another.

And we're in Christ, love one another. He said, don't be like Cain. Don't be like Cain, who was that wicked one of Sue's brother. I said, why did John say of that wicked one? Why didn't he say, don't be like Cain of Sue's brother?

Because he wasn't Cain of Sue's brother. He was murdering Satan inside Cain, and he expressed his murder through Cain. He was an agent of murder. Jesus always said, Satan's a murderer from the beginning.

Salvation as a Complete Exchange

What's the point of this? If you have discovered, in the revelation, that you once were merely an expression of the false deity, you can no longer be an expression of the true deity. It's a swap over.

You find salvation only in the change of God. But the whole part of salvation, it gives us freedom. We don't live through. We live to be lovers. Like you were praying, we live to be lovers for the world.

God loves to reproduce, to perfect everything. He gives himself to things that are perfect. You're perfect when you've got a perfect Jesus Christ in you. And we have a perfect Jesus Christ in you, and we know you are.

There are millions of perfected people, because Jesus Christ relives himself in them. And out of them will come one day a perfected world. God exists for the perfection of others. That's what it is to be a God person.

You exist for the perfection of the people. You're filled with others who get it. That's what they're talking about today. On the way we get the thrills, but the thrills only come as a little ice cream.

The meat is other people getting. Other people getting. Other people getting. That's it. That's what God's shoved me into for years. But you see how important it is? The gospel isn't getting a little bit of salvation.

It isn't getting a little bit of sanctification. It's changing gods. You had the God of self-loving self, and you were a pretty good specimen of him too, I'll tell you that, because I was too, so I know you.

And now we're expression of the self-giving gods and the self-loving gods. Now that took me a trauma to get through. I don't get that through. Two traumas, if you like. Two sufferings. One was the suffering of a prideful sinner.

The Blood and Body of Christ

Well, that's had to be. I mean, you're saved because he came to the bottom, didn't he? Of lost sinners. When he came to the bottom we seek God to be patient with. That's the precious blood. Now most of us know the precious blood.

Very few of us know the crucified and risen body. For a long time a person wisely the redemption of Christ presented to us in two forms. The cup and the bread. The cup of blessing which is the blood. The broken bread which is the body.

Why blood and body? I thought. Because salvation has two processes. Salvation is replacing deities taken by you. Salvation is getting you saved. It's getting you to be a permanent natural person, and yet you're an expression of Jesus Christ.

On the way I say you are the light of the world. Bible says so. Well, I tell you you ain't light. I tell you you're dark if you don't know. This is a union. We're the lamp of the light. When I come in here I don't just tell you we're the lamp, do I?

I forget the lamp, we're the light. You forget the lamp, so we are. We are light. We are light. We are really. We're the lamp. So united that I find the lamp, the light. So you forget the lamp, we're the light.

That's us. That's just life. We're not a deity expressed by us. So the deity of darkness, the deity of light which is a deity of love, of course. Now that's the second part. Now, thank God we hear the precious blood.

Precious blood is the kid's stuff. Precious. Kid's stuff is your utter sins. Adult's stuff is the fellow who produced the sin which is Satan in you. Kid's stuff is the product of sins. Adult's stuff is the producer.

Kid's stuff is the effects of sins. Adult's stuff is the cause of Satan. You're no good unless you've got Satan out. You're no good if you've got your sins away and you've still got Satan in you. You're only good if both sins and Satan are out.

And the righteous person, Jesus Christ, is in. And you know he's in. And you operate as an extra person. I think you would see. You operate as a kind of wink. Life's so funny. When you get a profession with expert cooks or teachers or nurses or engineers or construction people coming.

Now, what's the point? It gets you, doesn't it? You don't do a job from outside. Oh, I know how to do my construction stuff. I know how to cook. I know how to teach. The know-how's got you. What's the point?

You don't keep saying, I'm a teacher, I'm a teacher. You just teach. You don't say, I'm a cook, I'm a cook. You cook. You don't look inside what you are. You be it. When you're Christ, you forget Christ and that's yourself.

You forget Christ and that's yourself. You be yourself with a wink. That ain't me at all. That's Jesus Christ coming to me. That's this life. Perfectly natural. So religion is nothing but people. Because that's all there is in the world.

The universe is one beautiful, marvellous person that we're worshipping. Marvellous, all things are hidden in an endless beautiful person. And this beautiful person reproduces himself in a beautiful person.

That's a joke. We're the joke. That's a joke. We're part of a beautiful person. All there is, all the rest is just circumference disappears. Atoms and stuff disappear. We don't disappear. We're immortal.

Made like him. That's all there is. So you see, you see, we've come home when you're spontaneous yourself. So religion isn't just being yourself. I don't like the word religion. Christianity. You see, as I say, if you're a cook, you just cook.

When you go Christian, you just Christian it. That's Christ. You forget Christ and be yourself. That's Christ. Now that has to, I say, you live naturally. By naturally, you know what you are. Really, technically, that's what's called know-how.

That's your profession. You live by what you know is your profession. You live by what you really know. Now we didn't even know that we were expressing Satan where he were. If you look back at your born again, you know where he were.

If you look back now, it isn't hard to even say you were a project of self-self, because that's all you were. Self-loving self, that's all you were. And so you can see where, who your father was and the workshops and that sort of thing you were doing.

The Body of Christ and the New Life

What we have to understand is how, therefore, we've moved right over from being spontaneous expressions of the deity of self-wholeness to being spontaneous expressions about Lord Jesus Christ and God the Father.

And we are he, living as the body of Christ. Now I talked about the blood. I said that's the beginning, because at the beginning you can't see what goes on inside you. You don't know anything about this inside you.

But you do know your sins through the law. And the precious blood came and said yes, I've taken those sins. Your sins came to hell. They damned you. They cursed you. That's Jesus Christ hung there. You saw him hang there.

That's that precious blood. That proved he died. And the Bible says he went to hell. Don't get tossed about body. Don't be body-minded. Don't get all tossy or sick. Say yes, well, anyhow. Don't get well by saying I'm sick.

If it were so, I'm well always in God's presence. If you affirm you're in God's presence anyhow, it seeps down here a good deal. So don't commiserate people being sick. Tell them to praise God they're well.

Don't go around praying for the sick. Pray that they may be praising God that they're not sick. We're not body, we're spirit. Our spirit is never sick. And our body does get a little busy. But the spirit offers his mind.

And the spirit raves up him. If you're in that spirit. You're in that spirit. You know, I'm perfect. I'm coughing away. You find the cough disappears. That's what I find. It doesn't work so quickly as that.

It often does. Anyhow, it doesn't go perfect in itself. So the death of Jesus wasn't the physical. The death of Jesus his spirit went to hell. That's what death is. It's who I am. And this dies. What's that?

There's better one coming. But it's not good. But what does matter? Who am I? Am I a spirit on route to prison? Satan. Hell. Am I a spirit just maybe in prison on route to heaven? And Jesus went to hell.

So Peter said thou would not leave, quoting Jesus, thou would not leave my soul in hell thou would not let suffer thy holy one see corruption. Up he rose. When he rose he banged that door shut with a big bang.

He said men don't believe in the sins. They don't believe in your spirit if you've got Jesus. Hate that. There's no hell there. No sin there. God you know that don't you? That's the outer thing. But sins aren't the problem.

Sin is the problem. Sin is the spirit of self-centeredness. Sin is the self-centered character which produces sin. Now that's not so clearly known. That's the body of Jesus. Why is that body so precious?

Why did Paul say, remember, when that body hung there, you hung there? Look at that word. He said that. He talked about the body. He said look there, he said, when that body hung there you were there.

His word was, if one died, for all, all died. Why is it important you have that body there? Because your body is my spirit. Because there is one spirit which is you. And it is me. Our body is my own spirit you know.

And through the fall in came this false father operating. He was in there. Now it's an amazing statement. I think it's the greatest statement on one form in the whole Bible. It's the last verse of 2nd Corinthians 5 where it says this, God made his son to be sinned for us.

That's sins. Sins are the sins we did and he died for them and went to hell and closed that door. Sin is that which produces sins. Sin is the personality of self-centeredness after which all our sins are gone.

That's sin. God, where is that person living? In the body, isn't he? That holy body was in God's sight. The body is the whole world expressing Satan. It was Mr. Satan expressed by the body. That's Jesus Christ.

God made him to be sinned. What's the point? Because it's a sin, it's a sin created in the body. When the body dies out goes that sin spirit. So when that body dies out goes that spirit for all of us.