Next Week | Separation of Church & State | Episode 15

Welcome back everybody. Welcome back to Next Week with Jeff Durbin. So as you guys know on Next Week with Jeff Durbin, we like to have lots of guests on and do some really compelling and important interviews.

We've had some important people, some big name people and superstars. And today we are going to have somebody on who has a big name in heaven and his name is John Barros. He's one of our heroes of the faith and he's a giant of the faith.

John Barros and the Work Outside the Abortion Mill

So let's welcome John Barros. What's up big John? Hey, so good to see you guys. Well welcome brother. So I want to get a chance to introduce you to everybody right now to our new audience on Next Week.

John, tell us about yourself and what you do on a daily.

Basis. Well, I minister in front of an Orlando Women's Center, an abortion mill in Orlando. And I've been there every day except Saturday for the last eight years. And I get to show.

Up and watch him show off. So you've been out there for about eight years standing outside of an abortion mill to preach the gospel, to offer help and love and support to women and fathers that are going in.

You have been instrumental in blessing us and encouraging us to get involved in this work. Can you just let people know right now who are watching, how many babies do you think have been saved through your efforts outside of that abortion.

Mill? Well, the funny thing is I always want to make straight that I have never saved one baby, but I've been able to go there and be able to see God move. And I've over the last eight years, it's been pretty steady.

The last couple of months would be a little bit.

Off, but 20 to 30 girls a month choose life there. Absolutely incredible. So John, I want to introduce everybody to you so they can get to know you. But before I talk a bit about you, can you tell us about the recent events with the Orlando Women's Center and the abortionist.

Who kills children there? Oh, well, you're talking about the court? Yes. Okay. He, James Pendergraft, the owner, he is a convicted felon, spent time in prison. His license, medical license suspended for the fifth time indefinitely.

He owes the state of Florida $140 ,000 in fines and was found guilty of destroying a young lady and fined $36 million. So he's resorted to other means and he got caught and arrested for manufacturing and sales of dangerous drugs like LSD, cocaine, heroin, methamphetamines, marijuana.

And I really was hoping that he was going to be gone, but he got arrested in South Carolina and they are far more lenient on people there than they are in Florida. A defense attorney here told me that just one of those charges here in Florida would have been a 15 year minimum mandatory, but he ended up only getting a five year suspended sentence with five years probation.

Well,.

You stand outside of this abortion mill and you talk to them and go inside. And if I can paint the picture for our viewers, the Orlando Women's Center is actually really accessible in terms of, you know, right there on a public street.

John is able to get really, really close so he can communicate to the women that are going in. A lot of times women have to show up early so they get to listen to John, talk to them for quite a long time.

John, give us an example of an inspirational or encouraging story of when God moved in some powerful way outside of that abortion mill. Because I think that we'd love to encourage Christians across the country to start being consistent in this area, to preach the gospel consistently, to be bold, to be a prophetic voice to our culture, and even to join with our movement under the banner of End Abortion Now at endabortionnow .com.

But what can you do to give something encouraging by way of God moving at the abortion mill? Well, honestly,.

We get to see him move in such power that it's amazing. Just the other day there was a girl that came down, I'll call her Cheryl, and she, her and her boyfriend were coming in and he was really trying to force her in and they were both real cocky and, you know, all the stuff people say to you.

But after the preaching, the girl couldn't take it inside there anymore and she kept coming out and she would sit on the wall with me and she would let me add some things to say and then she would stop me and say, wait, no, I don't want to hear any more.

Okay. And then she'd go walk around, she'd come back and I'd give her a few more things. And then this lady, Karen, that comes down with me spent some time with her and was just encouraging her. And then at one point the boyfriend was still trying to get her to go get back in, but she couldn't take it in there anymore.

And I just asked her, does your mother know you're here? And she said no. And then I believe she immediately started texting her mom and then her mom showed up and her mom jumped out of the car and it was like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

And she stood out there and yelled, I will raise this baby. And then they hugged each other. It was just a beautiful thing. And you just get to see a lot of these things go on. I know a lot of people go to abortion clinics and then they go there for what they call the quote unquote killing times.

But God doesn't work on our timetable. You really need to be there the whole time. Doesn't mean every person needs to be there the whole time. You can split it up, but God is working in these people's hearts.

And I've had them come literally off the table at 4 .30 on a Friday afternoon and choose life. And that's what happens is we spend time with them and they all know we love them. We tell them things they don't want to hear.

And of course God's word tells us in Romans 1 is that that's his power. So we share the gospel, we preach the gospel, what he demands, what he requires, and how he will never let them go if they put their trust in him.

John, can I ask you, brother, how has holding these children in your arms and looking at them in their eyes and seeing them run around your church, how has that changed you?

Oh, it's just amazing. Most of them, most girls that choose life, they do not even want to remember they were ever at an abortion clinic. But the ones that come back, I had a grandmother pull up in her minivan and I was out preaching and she jumps out of her minivan and says, are you John?

And I said, yeah. And she just burst into tears and she slid the side door open of the minivan and here's this little boy in the back corner or in the car seat. And she goes, I just found out from my daughter today that she was here and that she came out because of the preaching and the thing.

And to be able to hold those kids is just, there's nothing like it.

Responding to Critics of Abortion Mill Ministry

John, so the thing people will say to you today, modern evangelicals that are essentially, and I'll be as gracious as I can with this, cowards, they'll say, John, just leave those women alone. That's not how you win those women.

I mean, you've seen God save over a thousand babies through your efforts at the abortion mill. And yet there are still modern evangelicals that are such cowards, they'll say, that's not how you reach those women.

Which means if we took their methodology and bit down, all these babies would be dead. How do you respond? This would be the last question. How do you respond to the modern evangelical that's a coward, that says, don't do this kind of work.

It's too much of a serrated edge. It's not loving. There's a different way to win these women. What do you say to them?

I don't even know where to start. I have pastors that are down helping me now on a regular basis that thought that way at one time, but they've seen what God does. I mean, I could go on for a hundred hours, hundreds of hours, just explaining things that are, but it's all goes back to the, when you're at that place and that baby's going to die in a few minutes, how dare anybody tell you you're doing it wrong?

How dare anybody tell you you're doing it wrong? Whatever plan they had didn't work because that girl is there right now. And in a matter of a few minutes, all kinds of people's lives are going to be changed and one at least is going to be dead.

Well, you are, and you know that I mean it when I say it to you, John, I'm not just, I'm not just trying to fluff you up or encouraging or courage, just encourage you in some way that's a cavalier. I mean it genuinely.

You are one of my heroes of the faith and you are, you are a giant in the faith. And so we praise God for you. Thank you, John, for all the work you do. And thank you for being such an inspiration to all of us.

Wait one second. You guys are the ones that I have my hope in. I'm an old man now and you guys are doing things literally on an international level. God's called me to one little place. I stay there. He hasn't called me to do anything else, but to watch you guys and the impact you guys are making all around this, literally this world.

I've spoke to several ladies in Ireland this week and it's just amazing to see what you guys are doing. I can't thank you guys enough.

Well, it honestly did begin with us seeing you in the film Babies Are Murdered here. So I'm right back at you, brother. Thank you for joining us on next week, brother. I can't wait to see you again. Thank you.

Thank you everybody for watching. Next week.

With Jeff Durbin. Thank you, John Barrows. We'll be right back, guys. Stay with us. So.

End of Year Update on End Abortion Now

Guys, great episode tonight. Important stuff. Thank you guys so very much for watching. And thank you again for sharing all the content, participating with us all in ministry, everything we do happens because of your love, your prayers, your encouragement, your financial support.

And so I want to just tell you how grateful we are to all of you for being a part of this movement with us. So as you all know, End Abortion Now is the heartbeat of this show. And you can go at EndAbortionNow .com.

I want to encourage you to hang on just for another minute. I know this is time to sort of like close everything out and sort of forget about the show. But I wanted to let you know that we're nearing the end of the year now.

Our first year officially working towards End Abortion Now and the goals and everything we have under that banner. And so I want to encourage you over the next couple of weeks, keep your eye out at Apologia Studios here on Facebook and on YouTube because now we're nearing the end of the year.

We wanted to bless all of you guys to show you all that God has done through this work across the country. It's really it's been compelling moments of incomprehensibility of what God has done. We had a plan.

We had goals. We had ideas about what God was going to do. And so we asked you all to participate with us. And you did. You did. I mean, God allowed us to raise $250 ,000, which in terms of the entire pro-life movement and the sorts of things that they do and the multi, multi hundreds of millions of dollars that they raised, $250 ,000 is a drop in the bucket to them.

But what God did with that initial investment into this ministry is just amazing. It's stunning and takes your breath away at times. God was able through this work to pull together over 265 churches across the United States, local churches that are now involved in this work across the country to save lives.

And we can't count them. We've lost count. There's no way. I don't think any way to ultimately do it to find, to actually find out how many did God save. But beyond that, now we have Christians across the country with a consistent Christian witness with the word of God as the foundation speaking against the culture of death together.

And that's been amazing. God has allowed us to have our content viewed by millions upon millions upon millions of people across the United States, of course, but really around the world. And we've been able to actually get connected with legislators across the country to demand an immediate end to abortion.

And I just want to say to you, I just want to say to you that if you've prayed for this ministry and you gave at the beginning of this year, you did that. Of course we know God is sovereign and he did it, but he used you as the means.

And so we want to tell you, first of all, thank you. So thank you for being a part of this with us and keep your eye out because we want to show you all that God did. And so in the month of December through January, we're going to show you what God did through end abortion.

Now we're going to give you video footage. We're going to show the original promises and goals that we had, and we're going to show you how God used that and what God actually did beyond really our expectation.

And so keep an eye out for that. And I want to point you to one thing. If you go to YouTube right now, Apologia Studios, or this Facebook page beneath this video, right underneath here, you're going to see a couple of things where you see some conversation that we've released from Dublin, Ireland, that is compelling and important.

So I'd encourage you to watch that and share it. And then I think more important is that you share the recent documentary we dropped. It's called Losing Ireland. It needs to be seen. It's already, I want to, I want to share this with you.

It's so important. It's already impacting the church across the United States, but in particular Ireland. We've already gotten messages from Christians in Ireland who watched it. They were challenged to their core.

And now there are multiple churches in Ireland because of the documentary who are now involved in the fight as Christians with the gospel against abortion in their nation. Tell me that's not important guys.

So please, so please watch the content and then do this. Be the modern printing press. It's what set the world ablaze and the reformation got the reformation on its feet. The printing press is what did it.

Christians use that means and media to do so. Be the modern printing press. Take the content, watch it, share it across your social media because listen, it's a great example. Today's show today, John Barrows, that man, I don't think he buys it completely.

John, I don't think you do, but it's true that John Barrows and his testimony and the media that we saw at Apology of Church, that movie, Babies are Murdered here, that movie got this church into the fight.

So listen, without that media, without someone sharing it with us, this doesn't exist. Do you see how important it is? So I would encourage you guys to think about that, meditate on that and then get busy with us.

Please go to endabortionnow .com to get hooked up. Everybody get all the free training and the free resources and we will see you next week right here on Next Week with Jeff Durbin. Thank you to the live audience.

Thank you to all you guys who are watching. We'll see you next week, guys.