Apologia TV - Episode 1 - Featuring James White and Special Guest!

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Studio Banter and Introductions

What's up guys? Welcome now to Apologia TV. Dr. White, TV. This is Apologia Studios and it's our very first day. That's Luke the bear. What's up? And there's actually cameras over there. I know. Yeah.

I can see you. That's what Luke looks like. So you always wondered. Now you can see him fill up the studio and that's Joy the girl. What's up, Joy? Hi. You are back and not only back, but now back on the first TV episode we have.

Yeah. How exciting is that? I found out last night. Yes. I was going to be. Did you really? Yeah. Are you serious? That's how we roll. Okay. I knew what it was going to be about though. Yeah. That's good.

See, I'll let you know. I gave you a heads up. Yeah, you did. That's a first. So this is it guys. Apologia Studios first day and Luke was here all night last night finishing up the studio, finishing the space, putting carpet in and all the rest.

And you did a wonderful job. Thanks man. The studio is amazing. Thanks. I appreciate it. It's wonderful.

You tired? Welcome to my brain. Yes. Yes. Yes. I am tired. Yeah. Yeah. Hopefully I stay awake.

Yeah. Me too. I'm exhausted, but very excited to give you this show today guys. And this of course is my, one of my heroes of the faith and now kind of becoming a regular on Apologia.

Radio, Apologia Studios. That's Dr. James White. How can I be a regular? This is the first time.

Well, I mean, you've been on before. So we did a show like years ago. We did one on, I think we did one on grief and then we did. You remember that? Yeah.

Now that I'm, now that I'm this old, I can forget stuff like that. So we did a show on grief. Okay. That's tough to do. It was, it was, yeah, it was,.

It was a good show though. And, and we did another show on the transmission, the text of the Bible in light of Steven Anderson's comments. And now Dr. James White.

Is our first guest on Apologia TV. And I'm not, I'm not, I'm not divulging location. No, it's complete. This is a secret layer like yours. Yep. Underground. Even that's,.

That's very important. We're not under any colleges, but we'll make it work.

Yeah. And that's a bummer now because there's nobody left there. Where ours is. Oh, that's different. Yeah. They're all gone. Okay. All right.

Yeah. Mr. White. Yes. Science. Just get to use my clips and I'm going to take advantage. Dr. White. So Dr. James White is with Alpha and Omega ministries. He really needs no introduction on this show.

I want to show you some wonderful books you guys should get. And I could do this now. We have a show. I can show you the books and this shows you that I don't just talk.

The game. I could just bend to your front seat. Let's be honest. Part of that might actually.

That makes it might be true. Okay. So this, this is the God who justifies, this is a must have for like that happened just for me. Like you're so anxious to read it. You're like, give me that. Okay. So the God who justifies a wonderful book.

You need to have this justification through faith in Christ alone, essential doctrine. And Dr. White, can we talk.

About this real fast? Oh yeah. Dr. White. I love that. Dr. White. I love that cover.

I designed that cover. Do not diss that. This book is amazing. And this, this is not, oh, come on.

This is why this is not in bookstores. Dr. White. No, no, no. That's not why it's not in bookstores. No? No. It was in bookstores for a while. It's just publisher. This is an amazing book. Letters.

This is letters to a Mormon elder by Dr. James White. And it's a kind of conversational style apologetics with your Mormon neighbors, specifically with an elder. That's right. And these are conversations that have actually taken place over time.

You've had these sort.

Of discussions. Well, yeah. I mean, not the specific words, but yeah. You're talking more.

Of a missionary. I'm trying to sell your book here. Yeah, I know. But, but what's wrong with, what's wrong with this? Dr. White, look at the cover of this book. It's perfect. I have, I've,.

I've talked with missionaries about that. We said, I mean, do you need, do you even see what's there? I mean, look at, look at, I've even got the little clips they use to keep their pants from getting stuck in the bike chain.

Did you know that's what those little things are? They knew that. Oh,.

I never even paid attention to that. Never even saw that. You know what? I saw, when I saw the.

Cover, I was like. So we, so I have sat there with missionaries and gone through the whole thing, the tracks that they, everything is their life. That's, that's, they recognize. All right. All.

Right. I respect it now. Now you've explained it. There's always a context. Is there a seer stone? Which will be a big part of this show is context. Um, and with the CNN situation, I didn't know about this, Dr. White, or we would actually thrown this into our apology, a moment thing, um, of them having a discussion after the show.

Now, listen, I know that we're having a discussion right now about them and they're not present, but the point is, is in the show, they didn't let you engage. And then after the show, you're not allowed to engage, but then they misrepresented you in the after show.

So, and, and of course they had, they had.

Gone after me during the program and did not allow me to respond to the program either. So it was, it was just, it was, it's pretty obvious. And most people saw that if you are concerned about things like fairness and things like that.

Yeah. And, um, and by the way, if they'd like to come on, I'm sure you would probably make a opportunity for them. We would fly them out and bake them cookies and get them ice cream. I mean, and they'd get more than 90 seconds to speak.

We would do a.

Five hour show right here. We would have water bottles and people that would fan them. And we'd assign a personal assistant to every careful, be careful now, whatever it takes. All right, guys. So, uh, this is the clip that they actually filmed and put up on their social media after the show.

This is a clip number six, Lonnie on the Dr. Drew show. He, this fellow, James was going into this.

Notion that everybody's created perfectly in the male and female concept is perfect. He said you.

Would go to hell. Basically if you're, he did, he said, if you were to go, if you're a transgender, you're going to go down in flames. He was playing God by telling us that. Wow. I never even got to.

Say anything about hell. It would have been nice. I must've watched a different episode from last year or something because, well, obviously, uh, both the, the young ladies have have particular, um, uh, well, if I could become somewhat of a psychologist here, I, I, I don't sense fear.

I sense hatred in their voice, uh, a hatred toward a gospel that they have heard and that they have rejected. Well, she said she was raised a Christian. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And, and then, but I don't believe I'm, I'm, I'm a Christian, but I don't believe that.

And I think if I had said something along the lines of the Lordship of Christ, I'm a Christian, but I don't really believe Jesus is Lord. Uh, it's, it, it again is representative, but, but what you have here is projection.

What you have here is, well, if we had let him talk more, he eventually would have said this. And they know that the Christian message includes the holiness of God. And they know that it includes their own need of a savior before God.

They just don't want to hear that. Uh, they are part of, you know, they're suppressing that. And so that's, that's why they're more than willing to pretend that they want a spiritual perspective on this program, but they didn't want a spiritual perspective.

They want to have someone on that they could silence and then get the audience to clap. That makes them feel better about the fact that they're actually promoting something that you, you just, these people are made the Imago Dei.

I mean, sure, they've, they've spent their entire adult lives being equipped to suppress the knowledge of God, but it's never perfectly effective. And so these are people who are having to put out a fair amount of effort to, to, to keep this, this, this leaky worldview afloat.

And, uh, it makes them feel good when they sort of feel like they've, they've done their part to silence that voice that just keeps coming up in their, in their mind. That's what they're doing to me. Yeah.

Guys. Well, their.

Definition of tolerance sounds an awful lot like the definition of bigotry. Well, from a meaningful.

Perspective. Yeah, exactly. Of course. Uh, but, but to see they, they can't even begin to understand that the real bigotry here is the bigotry that requires absolute fidelity to one perspective. They can't, they can't see that.

And that's, that's what's frightening because again, that puts a people in a position of being easily manipulated by political figures into, I mean, everybody uses this illustration, but, uh, you can see what happened in under Stalin and under Hitler and people like that.

If, if you are, if you're not reflecting, if there's not an opposition, if there's not a willingness to see, uh, I'm frightened as to what, uh, what kind of people could arise in the future, make big promises and end up with the reins of government.

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Cultural Shift, Sexual Ethics, and the Need for Apologetics

Do you feel more at home now? That takes me back a ways. This song is awesome. Oh yeah, sure. It really is. You should, you should know that we, we, sometimes we sing this, we need a new reformation. We, we do.

That's a shame. I'd leave that to the professionals. Okay. We want to make you feel as comfortable as possible today on this first episode of Apologia TV. So, um, well getting to the topic would be good.

Yeah. Okay. So, uh, we should do that. Um, so the last couple of weeks have just seen a, a storm, um, just surrounding the issue of homosexuality in our culture, transgenderism, uh, the issue right now with the Supreme court.

And so, um, what I thought would be a good thing to do just for this episode was give you a little surprise. Oh, so, um, I want to surprise you with another special guest that, um, what's that? What's that movie?

Uh, reservoir dogs. You got Mr. Pink, Mr. Blue, Mr. Black. So we have Dr. White and then we also have Dr. Brown. Dr. Brown, are you with us?

Oh, I'm, I'm, I'm right here smiling. And, uh, I, I guess this is just a meeting of the homophobes and transphobes and bigots and things like that. Just gather us all in one small place together,.

Huh? You know, you know, Michael, I thought you had a little better taste than to be hanging around with Jeff Durbin. Uh, I mean, come on. Oh no. Wow. How did you actually know this.

Guy? Well, uh, I will put up a disclaimer later once I do the research. So I, I'm not sure who I, but I think I was on previously. That's what I was told that I was on previously, but you know, some years ago I was invited to speak for a group called North, which is national association for research and therapy of homosexuality.

And they got blasted for inviting me to speak because I'm not a psychologist or a psychiatrist or a trained counselor. They were getting blasted for having me speak. But then I realized that every time I ever quoted them, I got blasted for quoting them.

So it's kind of the mutual hate fest thing that we get exposed to a lot. What's the thing with, uh,.

Like Dr. White, Dr. Brown, not remembering being on my show. Like Dr. Brown's been on three times. Yeah. We're just going to have to be more, he's just so popular. I don't even know. He's just so busy.

Just doesn't even know. Okay. Well, Dr. Brown, I love you. So that's, you know, and he.

Travels so much. I mean, you gotta, I could not travel as much as he does. So, so, so you do every.

Day. You do every day on your bike, man. What are you talking about? I just fly. I do it more easily.

Dr. Brown, we know you're about to start your show in just a few minutes here, but I wanted to have you come in for a moment just to, um, uh, talk for a moment about the issues we're facing right now in our culture.

You wrote the book, uh, queer thing happened to America and, uh, can I be gay and Christian or can, can, uh, can you be gay and Christian? Uh, Dr. Brown, did you see Dr. White.

On a headline news? Yeah, I, I, I saw the clips. I, uh, I, I was, was following, uh, Dr. White when he was tweeting out about it. And it's, it's really quite extraordinary. It's just like everybody drank the Kool-Aid, you know, with the whole Bruce Jenner thing and go, you go girl.

And all of this, it's like everybody just drank the Kool-Aid it's wild. And what I really see, and I, and I'm sure Dr. White's seen this for years. It's almost like a Psalm two kind of thing where the nation is now having an opportunity.

The secular worldly nation is having an opportunity to say, we don't want God as our King. We, we don't want the Bible. We don't want God's laws. So there's all the pent-up hostility is just coming up and obviously comes against Dr. White when he's asked to come on to represent the Christian position.

How dare he bring that perspective? Well, at least in my.

Situation, they waited until I was off the air to attack me when you were on with, uh, uh, Pierce, Pierce Morgan, uh, you know, uh, you, you got it right there while you were still, while you're still smiling at the camera.

So at least they sort of waited until I was gone. I'm not sure if that's a good thing or a bad thing, but, uh, it was similar along those lines. Yeah. The, the, the one.

Thing that, that just strikes me, obviously we have been much more Christian rooted in America in the past. And with reading the Bible in school and prayer in school, you know, we've never been a fully Christian nation, obviously, but there's been so much more reverence for God, religious freedoms right at the beginning.

Now it's almost like we just have to change our way of thinking as if we're a church in exile. Obviously we're praying for a national awakening and reformation and a spiritual and moral revolution, but we almost have to change our thinking because it's just, it's just not the way things were.

And when you hear, well, the latest polls, more and more Americans favor redefining marriage yet more and more Americans, those same Americans are more and more biblically illiterate. And those same Americans are influenced heavily by the popular media.

So what does it prove? And then you have someone left leaning like David Gushy or Tony Campolo, and now they, they go all the way left. So what's it proving? Well, pretty much what we've known all along, which is you play too close to the ditch, you're going to fall in.

You know, I,.

I recently read a new book that, that Dr. Brown has written. It's not out yet, but it will be, I think you said in September? Yes, sir. On, on surviving the, the gay revolution. And interestingly enough, this morning, Albert Mueller put out a video where he was talking about the same things.

And a lot of us are saying the same things, but I think it's going to be, it's going to take a little while for people to really fully understand the complete paradigm shift that has taken place, how fast it's happened and what it's going to mean.

I don't think any of us know fully what it's going to mean, especially if what happens in a few weeks does take place. But there's going to be massive changes and we're going to have to count the cost of discipleship.

It's going to become much more costly. And if we, we hold firm to what we believe, we will be in the minority. And we need to get, get used to the fact that the truth normally is in many, you know, any, even, even when we thought it was in the majority, let's, let's, let's be honest.

How many people were really living their lives under the Lordship of Christ, seeking to please him. We're just going to see the reality of what things have really.

Been for a long time. Yeah. You said for many years, Dr. White, that you kept a folder in your computer just to put all the links and files in of the decline of, of culture. And I used to listen to you saying that.

And I, and I, I don't know that I took it as seriously as I, as I should have when you did, but I think that you don't have enough disc space. No, no, no. Well, I'll give you.

An example. Was it 2011, Mike, when you did a queer thing? Yes, sir. I mean, I learned so much from that book, but I think you'd be the first one to say, if you tried to update it, even today, it would be a completely different book because of everything that's happened just in the past four.

Years. Yeah. The last chapter talked about where we were going and, and you know, we're, we're there and beyond. Listen, I was asked by congressional leaders in Peru last year to go and address them and university chancellors about what happens when you redefine marriage and normalize homosexuality.

And I began saying, we're not here to incite hatred against anyone. We're, we're, we're not here to demonize any group. You may have LGBT friends, family members, coworkers that are some of the finest people, you know, in the spheres in which they're working.

That's not the issue. I simply want to tell you based on what we've seen already in America, I'm not predicting anything. What happens when you redefine marriage and normalize homosexuality? People are in a state of shock.

I they're in a state of shock and we're not predicting anything. We're just saying what's already happened. And yes, you have to almost update it by the hour. I do believe that a real intense storm is coming beyond what we've experienced.

It'll snap us into reality. Believers in the Middle East are worried about losing their heads. Believers in the West are worried about someone unfriending them on Facebook, you know? So at least we have a little taste of spiritual reality.

And unless the Lord returns first, I'm convinced that this storm will go crazy and then will destroy itself. Because you can't wage war on gender and have a society that continues to function normally.

You can't make marriage meaningless by redefining it. You can't assault fundamental moral values the way they're being assaulted and disrupt the family the way it's being disrupted, and then have society function normally.

Which means that if we'll live by God's principles, the Psalm 1 kind of thing, that we end up being the last man standing. That's one of the things I say in my book, Outlasting the Gay Revolution. And Dr. White, always my deep appreciation for, as long as I've known you, and we have our fun debates on the minor issues where we see things differently, but this fundamental recognition of the Lordship of Jesus and the authority of Scripture, and that colors and influences everything we do, and we're not moved by it.

So why should we care when polls change and trends change? Just another opportunity to shine the light more brightly against the darkness of today's background.

Dr. Brown, your blessing. What should people start with? Just real quickly, 15 seconds. Books that you have come up with, what should they get?

Get A Queer Thing Happened to America and Can You Be Gay and Christian? And look for Outlasting the Gay Revolution. All the info on Ask Dr. Brown, askdrbrown .org.

Thank you, Dr. Brown, your blessing, and we pray for your ministry, brother.

Thanks, brother.

Thank you. God bless.

Dr. Drew Clip and the Transgender MMA Fighter

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Now, we have over the last couple of weeks, as I said, had a storm of issues. Let me give you something to get us into this, Dr. White. Transgender MMA fighter destroys female opponent. Transgender MMA fighter destroys female opponent.

First time I saw that, I thought.

Go figure.

Yeah. Wow.

Shocking.

Shocking, isn't it? So I'll read you from the Libertarian Republic here. Critics are scrutinizing mixed martial arts competitor Fallon Fox after the transgender fighter gave her opponent a concussion and broke her eye socket.

Fox defeated her opponent Tamika Brentz by TKO at two minutes and 17 seconds of the first round of their match. Brent's eye injury resulted in a damaged orbital bone that required seven staples. So back in my day, we were taught not to hit girls.

And it's an amazing thing, Dr. White.

Unless you pretend to be one.

Yes. Over the last couple of days, I've seen people responding to this on social media. I even saw a homosexual advocate actually on social media, defending the fact that this is a man dressed like a woman beating up a woman.

And Dr. White, this is what we're facing right now. The culture cannot even see that this is a man dressed like a woman.

Well, and the hypersensitivity is so much so that not only do you have that obvious destruction of pretty much all sports. If the Olympics, for example, starts doing this, it's done. It's over with. Just pack everything up and go home because it's finished.

Can you imagine if Usain Bolt decided that he's a woman? All the world records are his in an instant. I mean, it's just it's absolutely ridiculous. But the hypersensitivity is such that if Clint Eastwood even mentions Bruce Jenner and even uses the female name.

Did you hear about that?

No, I didn't.

You're looking at me. He was on Spike TV, the guy awards. And he was talking about former athletes who had become, had gone into TV media like that. And he talked about Jim Brown and Caitlyn, whatever.

That's what he said. That's all he said. They're censoring it. They're taking it out. They will not. They will not allow that. Just to say Caitlyn, whatever. So there is such a hypersensitivity and such an absolute demand.

You will celebrate. You will agree. You will not think otherwise, or you will be ostracized. I think a lot of people, it's bothering a lot of people, but they're afraid to say anything about it because they don't want to lose their jobs, whatever it might be.

But we are seeing the totalitarianism. I keep telling folks, I told my class last night, I said, if it's been a while since you read 1984, you need to read it again because it reads like today's paper.

I mean, changing the meaning of words, the thought police, thought crime, it's with us. And it makes you wonder, how did this happen so fast? And from my perspective, there is really only a theological explanation for the speed with which this has happened.

I don't, I listen to pundits, but if they don't have a Christian worldview, they don't really, can't explain how this has happened as quickly as it did.

That's right. You've said many times that the homosexual community and the gay activism does not simply want us to accept homosexuality, but they want us to celebrate. They must be celebrated.

It's not a matter of equal rights. It's a matter of Uber rights. I've been saying that since the 1990s. And now we see very clearly when California has Harvey Milk Day and when you are absolutely demanded to not just go, well, okay, I won't say anything against that, but you have to think properly.

You have to celebrate this kind of lifestyle choice and this kind of behavior. That is a level of totalitarianism that we as Christians need to be praying for God's protection because it's one thing to be living in lands where they don't have the technology to control your thoughts.

For us, we are so interconnected that for people who do what you and I do, if we don't have the net, no one knows what we're doing anymore. And yet that is the very means that can be used to control content.

And I'm still shocked that a lot of my stuff is available on certain websites. It won't be for long, especially if the Supreme Court does what we're expecting the Supreme Court to do.

There's no question about that. There's just no question. So we're going to finish up this segment of this television program and get into the next hour where we're going to dig into the media issues and begin to dialogue through what happened to you last week.

It was last week, right? Last week on Headline News with Dr. Drew, you tried to engage on a well-known national television program with a well-known television personality, Dr. Drew. And I know Dr. Drew from back when he was doing sex talk on Love Line on MTV.

That's where I heard about him first. I wasn't watching it. I wasn't watching it. I just know about the situation. So he goes way back. So Dr. White got to engage on Headline News, try to engage on Headline News.

We're going to play some of those clips and have you guys actually walk through this with us, this situation as Christians in this culture right now. I agree with Dr. Brown and Dr. White that this issue is only going to be a larger issue to confront in the days ahead.

And it can only be effectively confronted with the gospel, with standing on the Word of God, standing on the Lordship of Christ. And we're going to do that. ApologiaRadio .com is where you get us, and you can subscribe there to the all access.

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