Mormon Couple Argues w/Christian at the Temple

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This church is teaching you a false Christ. You're on public property now, sir The God says

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I am the Lord. I do not change. So let's change the Bible says it does he does Our biggest difference between us and you is

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I prayed to God and God's bore witness to me That what I believe is true. The Book of Mormon is true.

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Joseph Smith was a prophet. President Monson's a prophet I got my holy birth. The Holy Ghost is bore witness.

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That's true Regardless of what? Anything's written down. God has told me it's true.

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Okay, and he's the final word Well, can I just ask you a question about that your testimony? Do you believe that Jesus is not the divine

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Son of God that he didn't die on a cross? Yes, we do We believe he died on the cross, but he atoned for our sins.

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Yeah, he died on the cross But Muslims believe in Jesus Christ. Yes, they say that he is not the

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Son of God I know but if you could listen for a second, they said that he didn't die for sins

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And so but they have prayed about that and they believe it with all their hearts That's between him and God then so where do we go for actual solid truth?

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Do we go to God in his word? Yes, okay in God's and you're not not his word you take his word you you look at it

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You study it you emphasize it and then you go on your knees and pray to God that it's what you think that says

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Okay, can I ask you a question in in Isaiah 43 10 God says before me there was no

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God formed Neither shall there be after me But as a Latter -day Saint, don't you believe that there were gods before God and you can become one one day?

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Yeah, and so what would you say to God there why is it said the same thing be there for perfect Yeah about about righteousness, but that's not about becoming a god one day

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Yes, it is well be there for perfect even as your father that has to do with righteousness not becoming a god

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If you're perfect you become a god. Yeah, that's what Mormonism teaches But that that's definitely contrary to what

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Scripture says. No, see to me. It doesn't well What would you say to God when he says before me? There was no God formed either shall there be after me?

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I wouldn't it wouldn't be an issue with me I would say anything to him even though even though that Fundamentally denies what you believe about God when

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I stand before God and if it's an issue then we're doing about it then You're prepared to accept

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God's condemnation for Joseph's revelation. I don't believe they were wrong

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Well, Joseph Joseph came along and almost 2 ,000 years after Christ and gave a new revelation about God and who

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Jesus is That is clearly in contradiction to what God has already revealed We we believe that it's not

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Well, I just gave you one example the Bible teaches there were no gods before God You can't become one one day

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Joseph said okay, but but then if you read Genesis Yeah, God says let us go down and make man in our father son.

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Holy Spirit It doesn't say that he says let us go down. Yeah well Because the Bible teaches that there is only one

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God Well, the Bible teaches there's only one God and it says let us create we were in our

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Single image are you believe in three gods of this earth? No, you do. No, do you accept

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Joseph's revelation? Yes. Okay, Joseph said Many men say there is only one

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God the Father the Son the Holy Spirit or only one God He says I say that's a strange God. Anyhow, three in one one two, three

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It's a curious organization all are to be crammed into one God according to sectarianism He says it'd be a wonderfully big

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God to be a giant or a monster He says I have always He says I wish to declare I've always and when

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I've preached in the subject of the deity I've always preached in the plurality of gods. Yes. Okay, so this is

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God the Father Yeah, the Son Jesus Christ and there's a whole you said there was only one There are three separate beings and so is it three or one?

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There are three separate. Yeah one in purpose, but you believe in three beings three beings. Yeah, right So that's three gods of this earth

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No, there's only one guy with three beings means three gods Yeah, okay.

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So you believe in three gods? Well, Jesus is God. Yeah eternal God is a

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God He is and God is the eternal God because God the Father and God Jesus Christ Well, yeah, but you people but you believe that Jesus Christ is the spiritual offspring of Heavenly Father and one of his goddess wives

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Well, we know we believe you don't believe it. Yeah, okay However, we were created in the pre -existence.

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Well Heavenly Father and one of his goddess wives I Don't know. Yeah, don't you believe that Jesus and Lucifer are brothers?

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Yeah, so how does that take place? They were all created God created us

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He created Christ first so and then he tried the rest of us so the Bible teaches in John chapter 1 verses 1 through 3 that Jesus Christ was always

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Existent alongside the Father for all eternity in the beginning was the Word the Word is with God the

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Word was God It says he was in the beginning with God and he created all things Created by nothing that has come into being came into being without him.

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That's correct. So Jesus and Lucifer can't be brothers Because it says in John chapter 1 you acknowledge that the

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Jesus created Lucifer No, did you did Lucifer come into being? God created Lucifer. Did Lucifer come into being?

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Yeah, okay. It says in John 1 that Jesus created all things that came into being In relationship to this earth our spirit well notice how you guys as someone who's a latter -day saint you have to add words to the text and that's what concerns us for You that's that's why we believe in personal revelation, right?

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Because we don't believe that that was translated correctly, right? So you disagree with God? No. No, he says in his word even man's interpretation of what

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God said Well, do you agree with Jesus in Matthew 24 where he said heaven and earth will pass away But my words will by no means pass away.

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That's correct. But so then you Be that that's the real word of God. Okay.

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Well, there's a couple ways to go about that but there's only one way Well, there's a couple ways to go about one way and that's to ask

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God Well, okay. Well the Muslims have asked God and they don't believe Jesus Christ died in the cross So are they right?

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That's between them and God. Are they right? I don't believe they are Okay, so how do you know they're not? If a

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Muslim told you Jesus didn't die on a cross How would you show him that Jesus certainly did die on a cross say you need to go back and you need to pray again?

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They said I already have Jesus isn't didn't die on a cross and that's between you and God Do you believe that Jesus is Michael the Archangel?

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Yes, you do believe me Jesus Michael the Archangel Okay, so the Jehovah's Witnesses Christ their

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Jesus is Michael the Archangel the first and greatest creation of Jehovah God. Are they right? So when

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Jesus says I am the way the truth and the life no man comes to the Father but by me There you're suggesting that there are other

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Christ that can save Well, is he Michael the Archangel is he

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Lucifer's brother? Yes. Okay. Is he the eternal God the creator of Lucifer? No Thank you.

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So that's the seed that you have three Christ there one Michael the Archangel One Lucifer's brother.

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I know that but you believe in a Jesus Christ and I want to encourage you to see that That's not the

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Jesus of Scripture. He's a Jesus who cannot say I Believe I showed you in John chapter 1 where he's a creator we can we can we can we can toss scriptures back and forth

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All day long. Well, you notice you haven't answered in scriptures. You've just told you told us what you believe But there's a difference between your convictions and what's actually true

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I can I can call you the scriptures, but it wouldn't do any good because you'd quote different script What would you would you agree that Paul when he went to the synagogues in Acts chapter 9?

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Would you agree he was doing what is? Righteous and godly and good when he reasoned from the scriptures with the Jews to show that Jesus was the

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Messiah So it's not wrong to do that. Is it? No. Okay, so let's let's engage in that but but I Believe it goes beyond that.

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I don't believe that that's that's correct to translate it I know because Joseph told you it wasn't no. Yeah, Jesus says if it was translated correctly, there wouldn't be

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Christians Baptists Wesleyans Methodists we have this all be one.

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Well, we have this it was if it was all if it was clear if we used Would all be one if we had if we used your standard then

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I would ask you What do you say about the over a hundred different sects of Mormonism? Well, there's only one.

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No. No all the rest. Are you are you are LDS? Are you are you with are you a temple lot?

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Are you with any of the trice? No, are you okay? Are they wrong? We believe they are right.

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So so your argument about all these different Versions really doesn't hold any water because if you look and use that standard use it to apply it to yourself

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There are over a hundred different sects of Mormonism. They would all say you're apostate. Yep. Yeah, so you so your argument doesn't really stand

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Yeah, it does. So ultimately it becomes it's between you and God and me and God Would you agree that God would you agree that God has spoken in his word?

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Yes, can God contradict himself? Okay, so if if what he has changed if you if you say what

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God says I am the Lord I do not change So I change but the Bible says it does he doesn't then why is the

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Ten Commandments? Why did Christ change him in the beard Jesus didn't change? He actually said in John 5 17 do not even begin to think that I've come to abolish the law of the prophets

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I have not come to abolish Why did he go through that whole sermon on the mount sermon on the mount is Jesus explaining the not law not subverting it

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Yes, but Ten Commandments were cut straight and dry that shall not kill

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Yes, then Christ came out and said no, it's not that's not killed that shall not be angry with a brother No, he actually he's not he's

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Jesus is saying that the real explanation of you shall not kill goes beyond Simply putting a knife in somebody

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Jesus is showing you that murder begins in your heart because Jesus says that he says well He says in the text.

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He says that if you hate somebody in your heart, that's that's the beginning of murder That's but see but that's the higher law

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It was always a lot. Do you think do you think God allowed people in the Old Testament to hate their brother?

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Do you think it was God was okay in the Old Testament with you? Hating your brother just not killing them

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Was God was God did God condemn hatred for brother in the Old Testament? Of course he did you because the

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Bible says in Leviticus you should love your neighbor as you love yourself The Greatest Commandments is to love God and love neighbor. So of course he condemned hatred for brother

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Jesus is condemning the Pharisees and religious leaders of his day for their Misapplication misinterpretation of the law where they would say you can essentially obey externally but be off in your heart

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That wasn't a concern for them. Jesus says no, it's in your heart adultery Was against God's law in the

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Old Testament But it was also against God's law from the heart in the Old Testament and Jesus shows them that in the new it doesn't make

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A new law. He shows them what the law really is Right, but why does it create a new law? Then why don't the

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Ten Commandments say that why doesn't take a minute say what? What the Beatitudes say why didn't why wasn't explained that in the

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Old Testament? Oh, the Old Testament does explain repeatedly that you are to love God from the heart Deuteronomy chapter 6

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You should love the Lord your God with all your heart and soul and mind and strength. That's Old Testament We're not gonna get anywhere with this.

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Well, let me just encourage you one thing sir. Just say one thing I've been in in Baptist Church Episcopal Church Protestant churches talk with their ministers and we all come to the same conclusion

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We all think we don't we all think it makes them different No, sir sir The Bible teaches and I showed you that Jesus Christ is the eternal

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God the creator of all your interpretation you believe in a false Christ you have no answer. I believe you had no answer.

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Yes, you had no response Guys told me yeah, and you're you're contradicting God in his word.

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No, I'm not. So who's wrong Jesus or you? If anybody's wrong, I'm wrong. Yes, sir You are and I would urge you to repent me

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It's right and it comes to the living Christ the true and living Christ who is the eternal God who died? You have

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I've already been born again, sir. You have a false Christ No, I don't is is he Lucifer's brother?

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Yes, or is he the creator of Lucifer? Which one do I believe? Is he the creator of Lucifer or his brother?

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Which one? He is Right, that's a false Christ in Colossians 116

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It says that by him Jesus were all things created in the heavens and on the earth visible or invisible

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So your spirit was created by Christ the Bible says in the in the old spirit. Was your spirit?

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Absolutely Absolutely. That's the Bible teaches that God forms a spirit of man. Why is there a God then if everything was

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That's a leap from one subject to the next I know but if if if we believe that God created all things

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Yes, he did, but we say that Christ created all things. Yes, there's there's two different people There's two persons one.

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There's three persons one being you believe in three you believe in three beings Of this earth and then multiple billions of other gods outside of that Yeah, well one of your promise to us.

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There was only one God One of your prophets said there's as many gods as there is matter

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Yeah, yeah, and the Bible says Can I can I encourage you sir with with with love and humility to you just to listen to this text

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Isaiah 43 10 before me There was no God formed neither shall there be after me. I am the first the last besides me

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There is no God and he asked the question. He says this is there a God besides me indeed There is no other

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God. I know not one in genealogy in Genesis it says Secular Let us we different create man in our image.

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Well, you see but you don't you don't have an answer for the text God I've got God's testimony to me your testimony disagrees with God's Word.

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No, it who do I believe Jesus are you? I would believe God over any event. Thank you. So if you go to his word, he says no

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He says is there a good God has God spoken in his word? Yes Yes, as far as this presents correctly great.

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Well, would you like me to translate John 1 1 from the Greek? No, anarchy and holographic. I'll log us and pro stone.

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They own you can translate it right here, sir We can go to the text. You can use the tools. It says that Jesus is the eternal

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God No, sir, I would urge you. I would urge you I went to God I went to the original which

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God which God that God our Heavenly Father created God or the eternal God the eternal

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God well Joseph says He says in the King Follett discourse Merry Christmas.