Christus Victor! — Art Katz

Christus victa. Ever heard that phrase? It's passed out of currency. Christus victa. It means Jesus is the victor over the devil. The church of the early church celebrated that as being the principal object of his coming to destroy the works of the devil.

That emphasis has been lost to us in modern times. There are other aspects that have been celebrated. The personal salvation out of hell to heaven has displaced the consideration of what was obtained at the cross that disarmed the principalities and powers of the air and made of them an open spectacle.

Christus Victor and the Defeat of the Powers

But the church living in an earlier time where spirits were manifest and evil recognized the significance of Jesus's triumph against them. Now have these spirits dissipated away or is their activity more covert and hidden rather than open and blatant as it was in ancient times?

In fact are they not now more sinister for exactly that reason? But they yet remain. He disarmed them but he did not extinguish them. He even allowed their continuation for they serve functions in the purpose of God.

Not the least of which is to test the church to try it and to afflict it so as to bring us into depths of faith and trust and prayer that we would not otherwise have sought or found necessary. That's my burden for tonight.

We've heard of the cosmic description of the faith. Now the cosmic task of the faith is to complete what Jesus initiated in the defeat that was inflicted at the cross against the powers. He disarmed them but he did not extinguish them.

The final conclusion is what we bring to those same powers by the demonstration of the same kind of what was wrought at the cross needs again at the end of the age to be demonstrated by his corporate body.

So Lord I see already looks of perplexity and raised eyebrows. So bring those eyebrows down and give an understanding of the critical area that has suffered neglect and that must be restored to the church especially the church of the last days to complete what you have begun.

Give us a comprehension of the influence of these powers as they affect society institutions and the church. Their subtlety that we might discern recognize and oppose them for they are the gods of this world and we thank you my God this is your burden and theme for tonight.

Bring it forth as the one who inflicted that defeat and give us an understanding that will complete it in Jesus name we pray amen. Art how did this subject come to your attention? In a hospital where I was brought by brethren after I was waiting on God for the miracle that would heal my shattered knee because I had slipped on the YMCA tile floor having baptized 12 Lutherans in their swimming pool and on my way to the locker one little puddle and the last thing I remember I was up in the air doing a somersault with my Bible in my hand saying to myself cats what are you doing here knowing that I do not suffer accidents and down I came on my kneecap and my leg will let.

I spoke that night in that condition may it God's man of faith and power but the next day it has swollen like a football and the brethren insisted that I go to a orthopedic surgeon at the local hospital who happened to be Jewish and he was showing me my x-rays.

He said Mr. Katz he said you have not fractured you have shattered your kneecap and there must be an operation where it is wired together. I said good okay well we can't do this until Thursday. I said what Wednesday I have to be in northern Minnesota where the Lord is giving us a property.

He said the who and that's how it began. How far God will go to witness to a Jew. So he had his hand on my kneecap and he said something is happening. I can feel the pieces coming into place if I put you in a cast right now you needn't have an operation.

I said praise God do it put me in a cast. So there I was that night in the hospital bed with my leg up in the cast and the nurse comes with the hypodermic needle. I said I don't need that. Oh she said you must have that.

I said you don't understand. I'm not in agonizing pain. I don't need to be sedated. I don't want to have my consciousness dulled by drugs and I can bear this very modest discomfort. But you must have it she said.

I said I will not have it. She thought I was afraid of needles. Hey I was in the US Army and I walked through corridors with men on both sides poised with bent needles that men fainted away and I was pricked like a pincushion.

And I'm I don't live in my flesh. I don't feel pain that intensely. And you'll not suffer it either if you don't become preoccupied with the needle pricking your flesh. You can be pricked. And it's nothing if you don't center your life in your flesh.

And so I refused to have the needle. And I started a crisis in the hospital. And she went and she came back with pills or tablets. I said you don't understand. It's not the issue of a needle. I refuse to be doped up.

I don't want to be drugged. I can bear this minor discomfort. You have to have this. And the last thing I remember two doctors and two nurses in my doorway foaming at the mouth over the crisis I had precipitated by my unwillingness to be drugged.

The Powers Behind Institutions and Human Fear

And all of a sudden I understood that I had unconsciously touched an unspoken premise by which the world lives its life the avoidance of pain and the pursuit of pleasure. And that this is fixed right into the institutions of life as an uncontested and unchallenged premise by which the world lives its life which is a lie.

And that was my introduction to the realm of the principalities and the powers of the air who are the controlling influences over the lives of men in nations and cities by their influence especially in the realm of institutions in a way that is never recognized let alone challenged.

And therefore they have undisputed sway in really calling the shots that influence the way in which men live their life in the world in fear intimidation threat and insecurity. They're manipulated. They're jerked they're seduced they're goaded they're provoked.

It's a lie it's not living. It's death. So how is it that they have gone unrecognized unchallenged uncontested. Because there's only one agency in the earth called by God both to discern and recognize this evil and to challenge it.

It's the church. And if we do not blow the whistle then the whole world remains duped and under the influence of these powers our silence condemns. But it's more than blowing the whistle it's more than just sounding an alarm.

It's the testimony of a church which lives free from the influence of these powers that such a church is itself the testimony against them and frees even the locality where such a church is from the influence that would otherwise fall on hapless victims.

But to be freed from that influence it means to be freed from fear free from intimidation free from threat free from manipulation. Which means that the church of all institutions must not itself engage in manipulation.

So if we perform hype if we put on an act if we appeal to the heartstrings in order to evoke a response at the altar which is manipulative we have played the game of the powers of the air. That's why they can say Jesus we know and Paul we know.

But who are you. We're not in any way obliged even to recognize you for you constitute no threat. You are evidently under our influence and playing our game exerting pressure manipulation. So to be free of that it means to be free of that from the platform.

It means to be free of that from the bedroom wherever manipulation raises its ugly head like a wife pouting or maybe more likely a husband pouting who has been deprived and lets his wife know it or exerts influences so as to affect a response that is manipulation.

The powers will never accede to us or recognize us let alone be dispersed by us. So long as we compromise and play their game in any way we have to be totally free from their influence now. This is not a minor theme it is the major theme and the task of the church.

Paul's Mystery and the Church's Cosmic Calling

And Paul speaks of it as the great apostle in Ephesians chapter 3 who has been entrusted with these great themes. And you can you know how difficult it is to break into Paul. Have you noticed. You want to start with a certain scripture but you can't.

You've got to begin with the verse two verses before that and then before you know it you're up to Ephesians chapter one verse one. You cannot break in. Paul is a an unbroken continuum. He rolls it out by the yard.

So I feel like somewhat rude to break in like this where Paul describes himself as the prisoner of Jesus Christ. For you gentiles who have heard of the dispensation of the grace which was given him for the church.

The revelation made known to me of the mysteries which you may understand of my knowledge of the mystery of Christ which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the spirit.

And that's why until we have communication through holy apostles and prophets we ourselves are lost to these mysteries. They must come through foundational men who are the guardians or the stewards of the mysteries of God who like Paul see themselves as the least of all saints.

Is this privilege given. And what is the mystery that the gentiles should be fellow heirs and of the same body and partakers of the promise in Christ by the gospel. Oh I wish we could stop right there and center in this because the prominent mystery that has been concealed from the ages and now is being revealed that gentiles have been allowed in to the fellowship of faith and to be partakers of the promise with Israel by the gospel through Christ.

Wow. Don't you do you know how stunning how astonishing and innovation this is. Don't you remember how Peter required a trance before he would allow himself even to come into the house of the gentile for salvation is of the Jews.

You guys got it all cockeyed and backward. You think salvation is of the church. And the Jews are a johnny-come-lately. No you're the johnny-come-lately. You're the one that the grace of God has permitted entry into the household of God to have fellowship with the already existing saints and the already existing body.

That's a mystery that heretofore has not been known. And it's a remarkable innovation that stunned the early church. That that Peter had to bring back a report. The Holy Spirit fell on the goyim fell on Romans while I was yet talking.

Well what can how can we deny them baptism on water. Seeing that God has given them the same gift he's given us. It began to dawn on them that the advent of their Messiah was more glorious than they had assumed and that this salvation which was exclusively Israel's the gentiles were out of it.

They drink beer from skulls. They fornicate they they're unclean. They don't even they're not even circumcised that they now are also to be included in the salvation of God. And the two that have been in ages long enmity one with the other are now to become one new man in Christ.

Wow. That's a stunning revelation. But I don't think that the church appreciates it. I don't think it's aware of the grace that has come that was exclusively Israel's and now has been extended also to you.

I don't see your gratitude. And so I was made of this minister according to the gift of the grace of God given unto me by the effectual working of his power unto me who am less than the least of all saints.

And Paul is not being a salesman in some self-effacing false modesty. The man really believes he's the least of all saints. And because he believes that he's the greatest of all apostles because he really believes that God can entrust him with mystery and revelation that will otherwise corrupt men who think themselves something Paul knew he's the least really knew it.

So that I should preach among the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of Christ. And here we come now to our theme and to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery which from the beginning of the world has been hidden God who created all things by Jesus Christ to the intent that now or in order that now and we have to stop right there we dare not read on beyond that point until we have caught our breath and gasp.

Because we now are going to hear from the great apostle the purpose for which God has created all things. Are you curious. Or do you know or it never occurred to you to ask that God is a purposeful creator.

This is not our playground. This is the world that God has created its geography its proportions its races are all an expression of the divine genius that has purpose and end to the everlasting praise of.

And now the apostle is going to tell us why the essential reason for the creation of all things by Jesus Christ in order that now this is going to floor you unto the principalities and powers and heavenly places might be known by the church the manifold wisdom of God who understands that how many Christians have read through that and were totally unaffected and dismissed it as a kind of oratorical flourish a kind of poetic sweep that is common for Paul but not to be taken seriously.

I tell you dear saints there's nothing more to be taken seriously than this to take this apart and to realize that everything was created for the church for something for the church just that one knowledge alone ought to destroy every last lingering inferiority complex that the church has about itself as being some kind of secondary thing or an addendum to the world.

The world is for the church not for society not for civilization not for universities not for business not for Microsoft not for electronics or gimmicks. The world is for the church. Everything else is incidental and secondary.

But for the church. For what purpose. That through the church a demonstration might be made that only the church can make when it is the church to the principalities and powers of the air the rulers of darkness and heavenly places.

That's the purpose for creation. What do you say about that. It has nothing to do with improving the world improving mankind a blessing advantage benefit it has to do with only something that is important to God alone.

He wants this and he thinks it's important enough that it's not too extravagant to create a whole world in order that it could be a platform for a church that is called to make a demonstration to some invisible spectral realm that presides in the heavenlies over the nations that only the church itself can make.

And that this is not only the purpose but the eternal purpose of God. The next verse says in Christ Jesus. So show me a church that has ignored this and has not taken it to heart as the foremost purpose for its being.

And I'll show you a flunky counterfeit secondary weak inept cultural phenomenon that will be judged by Islam that will run over it like a tide. The church that will not take God's eternal purpose to itself as the foremost reason for its being though this purpose has no ostensible benefit for itself is ipso facto not the church in any apostolic sense of the word.

How dare we call ourselves the church and sing unto him be the glory. And we have not even been occupied with or aware that there's a purpose for which God has created all things to which we are entirely ignorant or indifferent.

This is how God gains his glory. It raises all kinds of great questions. Who are these powers. Why is it important to God that a certain demonstration be made. What is that demonstration. What is the manifold wisdom of God.

And why is the church the only entity in the earth that can make that demonstration which it will never make if it's ignorant of its call. This is the church's cosmic call. This is ultimate fulfillment.

This requires everything. This contradicts everything. Because it has no benefit for those who take this purpose to themselves it only benefits God. And any church that will put his benefit before their own is already demonstrating the manifold wisdom of God because this wisdom is in opposition to the wisdom of the world.

And that wisdom comes from below that wisdom is rooted in selfishness take care of number one gratification power prestige wealth force violence threat intimidation. That's the wisdom of this world of the gods of this world that have tyrannized men and jerked and manipulated them like puppets on strings.

Because it is self-evident that the purpose for your existence is yourself. Take care of number one. If you have a little time over if you can put a dollar in a collection plate great but the unchallenged premise that all the world shares and the church too is that we are the principal object and purpose and our satisfaction our enjoyment.

So a church that will dismiss those considerations and say our first purpose is God's satisfaction and not our own is already evidencing another wisdom. Because you receive no benefit for taking this purpose to yourself.

On the contrary you open yourself to a new kind of opposition from the very powers of darkness. They're now scared they're now anxious that you are moving out of their orbit of human self-interest where they have a field day and are coming into a place of God where self-interest is not your first and primary concern.

If it is if it is at all your concern rather your concern is totally unnatural you're putting God's purpose before your own without any benefit to be obtained and even at the point of making yourself an object of attack by those very same powers and the powers of the air cannot fathom that.

So can you see that when the church will put the interest of the Jew and Israel before itself in the last days even at the risk or cost of its own suffering and life in that one act it fulfills the wisdom of God that forever destroys the powers of the air.

Why does it destroy them. Art. Because they have nothing that they can use. There's no string they can pull. You have nothing that they can play upon. You're free from fear. I mean if you're willing to lay down your life how can you be manipulated.

What are they going to tell you. If you're not afraid of dying that they have nothing to play upon because they have been disarmed. All they can do is growl. All they can do is manipulate. But they their power is effectively broken.

Freedom from Fear and the Victory of the Cross

But they have succeeded even with that for centuries in tyrannizing mankind just by threat intimidation and fear whose lives who are afraid for their earthly and mortal life. Then the powers of the air can run riot.

But if you're no longer afraid if you've decided that the issue that your life is not your own and the mere physical continuum of your bodily life is no big deal that in fact you have a sublime confidence that your days are numbered of the Lord and your every hair is numbered.

And you can say to the powers of the darkness as Jesus said to Pontius Pilate you could do nothing against me except that we're giving you from above. Now do you understand the freedom with which I walk in the world.

I'm a giant in the world of pygmies. I'm not intimidated by anything. I don't care what I'm standing before the academic world and all its prestige or men of wealth. Or the Mercedes Benz with the 12 cylinders that picked us up and drove us to and from the airport.

It doesn't matter whether it's a rickshaw or a Mercedes. There's a wonderful freedom when you've decided the issue that your life is not your own that the length of days is determined by God and its purpose and you cannot be threatened or intimidated.

The powers of the air have no possible influence over you. Can you imagine a whole church like that mama mia. When the powers see a church like that they are broken out of their orbit in the area that they have dominated of that locality someone has wisely said the church is is spinning its wheels and boxing at the air with its programs and evangelizations until it has rightly dealt with the ruling principalities and powers over its own locality.

And they're not going to be defeated by turning up the amplifiers. Or that we're taking cities with Jesus through militant worship. Oh what else is new. But let them see a whole congregation freed from the influence of the powers not living in intimidation or threat or insecurity about its future its finance or anything trusting God in sublime shalom that defeats them.

So the wisdom of the world is predicated upon man's self-interest. And look at israel today talking to the palestinians appealing to their self-interest to the arab nations. Hey why don't you guys give up your violence.

Tell you what you can share in our prosperity. And this will be the hong kong of the middle east. Your standard of living will zoom if only you put away your bomb attempts and and get with it we can share in this prosperity.

I'm appealing to your self-interest and your rational self-interest. And it goes right over the heads of an islamic perversely corrupted people who don't give a rap about prosperity or sharing in it but want to ventilate spite and vicious desire for the annihilation of the enemy whose very presence is an offense to allah leave it to the lord to bring us as jews to a predicament that we cannot solve on the basis of appealing to men's self-interest.

This is a new ball game. These this enemy is representing a spirit of another kind that is not amenable to rational discourse or appeals. They don't know that but we know that. Well this is a classic first book into this realm of the principalities and powers of the air.

Written by a dutch theologian now passed on to be with the lord hendrik berkhoff. See if you can get it. It's published by the mennonite publishing houses in america. It may be out of print but it's an heroic pioneer effort to begin to examine a realm of subject that the church had dismissed as being old wives tales that paul's references to the principalities and powers of the air was a rabbinic hang-up over hobgoblins and witches.

And and we're a rational civilization since the enlightenment. And there's no place for that consideration in our christianity until world war ii. And the same carl bott to whom this manuscript was first sent my favorite german theologian dismissed it until world war ii.

Because world war ii brought the revelation of the powers of the air not just as an influence over germany but as powers that had captivated the entire nation and taken over the whole rudiments of society and used it in the fulfillment of their wisdom and requirement to annihilate world jews and bring the world into chaos and devastation.

No more was this old wives tales. Now we saw the principalities as powers that are not content merely to influence but are capable of dominating an entire society and civilization. Not some little backwater abyssinia in north africa but the principal and most sophisticated civilization in the world kant hegel schopenhauer fichte nietzsche great philosophers learning music.

And if the powers can take that over in the space of a decade and take the gutter elements of society the homosexuals and the occultists and put them in the place of predominant power what hope is there for australia or the usa.

And the time of antichrist and the persecution of jews will be exactly that these powers will be loosed over the nations and will sweep through breaking down traditional concepts of civility and law and open the way for persecution and annihilation globally.

The Cross as the Decisive Defeat of the Powers

So let me read a few of his insights. What. What destroyed. What what was the factual defeat. Why did the early church use the phrase christus victor. What was performed at the cross was a decisive beginning of the end for these powers.

That's why paul says in first corinthians chapter 2. I think it is if the powers of this world knew they would not have crucified the son of glory. They thought they were getting rid of the problem by ventilating their wisdom upon their hapless victim which was violence threat intimidation unto death.

But he bore it in such a way and revealed god in such a way in that grace that it defeated them and the resurrection that resulted in the father's approval of that sacrifice unto death set in motion the church and the reality of god that makes their end inevitable and final when jesus was crucified and rose from the dead this saving event wherever the saving event is proclaimed the domination of the world powers is at an end.

Because i hate to improve upon any dutch theologian but i would say wherever the saving event is not so much proclaimed as demonstrated the domination of the world powers is at an end. That is to say it's not enough and not enough for us that our salvation should be phraseological or doctrinal but actual.

And what kind of saving. What kind of salvation. Not just the assurance of a place in heaven when we die but a complete liberation from the forces of darkness in this present life. Wherever that is demonstrated the cross is reiterated the power of the cross and the powers of darkness shrink and recoil.

They dread the cross if it's more than just a piece of jewelry or decoration. Where they see the reality of the cross they are reminded of the defeat that they suffered there and the power remains of the cross that yet inflicts a further defeat.

So for example preaching if preaching is only a demonstration of human ability and a gift of words however biblical or clever or interesting it might be it constitutes nothing against the realm of darkness.

But where there's an issue of the cross being expressed where this preaching of the word is an issue of suffering or the willingness to risk loss of prestige or recognition of men and take the risk of faith and trust in that instance preaching becomes a demonstration of the cross.

So for example i was in a seminary for two years and there was a daily chapel. I don't remember one message and they were all biblical. How come. Because these faculty members knew months in advance the day in which they would be the faculties the chapel speaker.

And they were prepared to the teeth they they had a message that was air tight. They examined every theological aspect they read it in the in the original languages so that when they spoke they knew that they were making a statement that could not be critiqued or challenged in any way as lacking in scholarship by the faculty or students.

But it was not an expression of faith it was not a trust. There was no room for god. It was spoken and prepared to impress men rather than to glorify god. But if there'd been one man who would just come and the lord had given him only a slight disposition of a theme and he has standing before men to choke and splutter and trust god in the bringing of it forth.

That is the demonstration of the cross that would have inflicted a defeat in the seminary. For where are the powers of the air more prominent than in religious institutions and are rarely recognized let alone defeated.

Because there's so little expression of the cross in the religious realm got the idea so the cross unmasks these false gods. What does that mean. They have become the gods of this world. Why do they have an influence.

Because the gifts and callings of god are irrevocable and without repentance they are part of god's creation. He has established them as supra-human angelic entities in the realm that pervades over the earth called the air.

And they were given in order to exert a benevolent influence upon mankind and and dispose men toward god. But when there was a rebellion in heaven and satan swept a third of them with him they still maintain their governmental posts.

But they did not use it for god so much as against god. They became the gods of this world. And so you can see their their panoply of gods. Rock and roll singers musicians athletes that are getting salaries and rewards that are astronomic in baseball.

These men are getting 25 million dollar contracts that someone computed one pitch is fifty thousand dollars. It's it's out of the realm of sanity and of value. So have there been a whole panoply of gods of sport music culture that have gained the admiration of the world and especially of the younger generation to seduce them to have images of ambitions of like kind corrupt passing failing momentary because the powers want to take the things of god that are eternal and absolute and turn them into that which is passing and transient for mankind and take that which is passing and transient and make that absolute.

They are about a complete value reversal. And they're succeeding like gangbusters. So that kids are panting after these musicians after these sport figures after the rewards after a whole unreality has been created and presses to be received as being not only reality but definitive reality that eclipses and minimizes and brings to nothing any other competing reality even god himself.

They are the gods of this world and they have won our youth. What what movie was it that this jewish were were always the ones who perform create them. It wasn't. Was it star wars something with these grotesque figures.

George somebody help me. That's his first name. Lucas. George lucas and his latest film. Where i wrote a letter to the editor of our local newspaper i registered a protest. I could not remain silent because if i went into a supermarket there was some lurking seven foot high cut out of one of the ghoulish characters from this film promoting pepsi cola.

Pepsi cola paid 25 million dollars for the right to use this movie's name and title in order to promote its stuff. Every can had another image and the kids had to collect every can. And so i wrote a letter i said i protest that my privacy is being violated.

Cultural Idolatry, Media, and the Gods of This World

Not only am i come if i refuse to go to see the film the film haunts me. And i can't even buy a piece of bread or a box of of tissues without seeing these looming figures brooding over me and projecting their vile demonic influence.

And i said to the christian parents your children slept outside the theater so that when the doors opened at 6 a .m they would be the first online in the first and all night in sleeping bags outside the theater.

When did they ever do that. Outside the door of the church. The gods of this world seducing raping arresting a whole generation. And the church is impotent not even recognizing that in this culture are these devious spirit powers.

Because you can't even understand merchandising and advertising let alone films and music without understanding a sinister and evil supernatural power working in them. They're just these men are not that bright.

There's something working in and through them that is much wiser than man himself. It's the wiles of the enemy that even to go into a supermarket you need to brace yourself for the power of the display of merchandise so stacked up in great quantities as to induce your purchase principles of psychology and it's honed now to the finest degree is unqualified.

The influence of the supernatural powers of the air coming into commerce into products into film into culture into the world into the church so that we play their music using our lyrics but their beat.

And they love that they love to triumph over christ's people. And that's why when they catch any of us it's not just putting us in prison or subjecting us to harassment but to vile torture of an excruciating kind in order to get us to say uncle to give up the faith to forfeit to disavow the lord.

There's a vendetta to negate god as god even in god's people. These are active saints full of deception. They are the liars the father of lies. And the cross has disarmed them wherever it is preached.

The unmasking and the disarming of the powers take place. They will. They are defeated by being unmasked by showing the church and the world what it is that's behind the scenes that is hidden and covert that is exerting this influence.

To identify them is to defeat them. So the church by her very presence he writes breaks through this the unshakable stability of life under the powers. The church is made up of men and women who see through the deception of the powers refusing to run after isms i would say after fads after novelties after the latest movie or heroine or culture hero.

Look at that book. Harry potter. Harry potter. I've not read it but i know that it is an astronomical success. This woman is rolling not in millions but in billions. And once they hit a theme then there's a sequel.

Then there's book two book three book four or star trek one star trek two. You're inundated with swimming in it. It's choking. So for a church that will see through recognize the intrinsic evil and who raised the question as i did about the needle when i had a shattered kneecap that that raising of the question is already putting the spirits of darkness to flight.

The church has got to blow the whistle and raise the question about the unchallenged and uncontested premises by which the world lives its life that has its origin not from above but from below. That the very existence of a church that can raise the question is this legitimate.

Um something is gross grotesquely wrong. That astronomical sums are being paid to athletes. It destroys a whole value system. That such sums should be lavished on men because they can throw a ball whether they are worth it because of what they bring into the coffers by their presence is not the question what is it doing to the whole realm of values when extravagant incomes are being obtained in sport.

What is the sense of what is real and what is valuable. So for example will you understand me when i was in east germany while the wall was still up years ago and below were six or seven elders waiting for me to come down from my attic and bring a final word.

And the word that i brought down was you have an obligation as leaders of the church to go to the communist authorities of your community and register a complaint and protest against their propaganda campaign which is ubiquitous which means to say everywhere.

Train stations platforms posters everywhere. 45 years of soviet german friendship. It's a lie. The highest rate of alcohol isn't in the world. At that time was east germany. Because god has not made mankind to live in a lie.

And they have to dope themselves up and stupefy themselves when they're living in an environment like that everywhere i said you have to stand for what is made in god's image but art. They'll not hear us.