SRR # 38 | Interview with Joseph / The Parable of the Sower

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All right, thank you for joining us My name is Tim and this is Semper Ephraim on the radio in case you didn't catch that in the little intro music thing that we do but Anyways, I just want to remind everybody that we are part of the
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And we have we have some outstanding articles written by Tim Kaufman Who I want to pull this up real fast
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Tim Kaufman just wrote two articles that I want to recommend to everybody it deals with eschatology and Tim Kaufman is is really one of my favorite authors.
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There's some really good references there. And then I actually wrote an article titled the scripturalist ad hominem reply and The scripturalist is the presuppositional
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Title given to Clarkianism and it falls in beautifully with the the principle of sola scriptura because We are presuppositionalist.
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But what are we presupposing? We're presupposing the truth of the Bible So we are scripturalists and I love that title.
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I'm promoting that title. Let me see. What's his name? Dr. Gary Crampton wrote a book titled the scripturalism of Gordon Clark So if you want to find out more on what scripturalism is he also has an article titled scripturalism a
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Worldview on the Trinity Foundation so you can check that out, but in the article
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I just basically discuss How the the scripturalist which is once again the the
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Clarkian Presuppositionalist how we would use the transcendental argument now
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We would not use the transcendental transcendental argument the tag argument to try to prove
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God and and we hear Vantillian presuppositionalists say this all the time that we can prove the existence of God by the impossibility of the contrary
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I've I've said repeatedly stop saying that stop using that because it's it's not right
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Contraries can both be false and then you know, there's some other problems with that So in the article
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I talked about how the the scripturalist would use the transcendental argument as an ad hominem reply which is to Reduce the the opponent's position to absurdity.
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I give a few examples of that and I think that it's a it's a better to steal a tagline from my
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My New Covenant theology brothers. It's a better way. So so Joseph you're on our podcast, man
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You got to start reading the content that we put out But Anyways, you have any comments or questions, you know, just just say hello say what's up?
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Hello, and what's up? the more interestingly enough, so I've never formally studied the the
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Clarkian position or and I have some to some degree understood the the
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Vantillian position and I'm realizing that So I didn't realize I was a presuppositionalist until somebody said the word what presuppositional apologetics and I had to go look it up The that I was always arguing from Scripture being true and I didn't need any more truth than that to make my argument
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And so the more I'm hearing about both sides, it's interesting because I think that Vantillian argument gets a lot more
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For exposure Than being Clarkian, but if you're arguing based on the truth of Scripture, which is what
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I've been doing since I've studied my Bible Then that I realized that I'm much more
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Clarkian naturally than I am Vantillian. Vantillian seems to be more of a and This has just been my experience with a more of a manufactured argument in regards to I mean, so so not not a wrong one per se in regards to its
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Structure but it's not It's it's logical conclusions. It's as opposed to I I know that when
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I say there's no such thing as an atheist It's because Scripture says it's true. It's not because The impossibility of the contrary when
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I when I know that somebody knows that knows that God exists Or there only a fool says in their heart
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There is no God is because it's what Scripture said and I know that all the propositions of Scripture are true So it's it's interesting because I one of the reasons why
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I mean honestly that I appreciate having joined you guys is because I'm learning a lot more about something that I That I seem to have already held on to Yeah, so I think that Vantillianism has a lot to offer.
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I started off reading Started off reading. Dr. Jason Lyle who was a student of dr.
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Bonson and then from dr. Bonson. I learned about Vantill and I think that dr.
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Bonson had a lot of great stuff as a matter of fact in my article I actually quote him favorably Just so that everybody knows
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But I think I think the main disagreement would be with one of the main disagreements
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There there are other disagreements and I think we covered that in a couple of our episodes critiquing
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Vantillianism And you can you can check that out in in our archives, but one of the main disagreements with with the apologetic approach is is how to use the tag and You know
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When people say it's but we can prove God by the impossibility of the contrary That's just that's that's wrong you can't do that because contraries can both be false and so a doctor dr.
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Scott Oliphant who was also a student of Vantill he acknowledges that other other
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Religions other faiths can actually use the transcendence of argument. So what's to keep a
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Mormon from saying that he can prove the existence of God by the impossibility of the contrary and he could look at more he could look at Islam and Islam is contrary to Mormonism well
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That's just I mean that proves our point Contraries can both be false we would look at Mormonism and we'd look at Islam and say well both countries are false and just because you you prove that that That which is contrary to Mormonism which in this case, you know might be
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Islam or atheism or whatever does not therefore mean that Mormonism is true and So the scripturalist position is to really just presuppose the the truth of the
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Bible we acknowledge that it's that it's true and and We don't try to prove what people already know
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We don't try to prove that God exists because people already know that God exists but I do believe that we can expose that people know that God exists by the irrationality of their their worldview or their position, but anyways
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Enough said about that. I want to say big Thank you to Tim Kaufman for blogging for us.
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I want to definitely recommend everybody check out his articles All right. So so what
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I wanted to do tonight and this this is a little bit different But there's there's a reason for what I want to do.
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I want to go ahead and interview Joseph and Ask him what he's got going on what he's looking to do because Joseph you put up a
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Of Sort of a Facebook post asking for for assistance or for help and Just go ahead and tell our listeners what it was what the
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Facebook post was about. I'm sure not everybody heard it Let him know What that involves and just yeah, that's not a problem at all the
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So this is a to be to be fair and and I'll give a little bit of story first. I Was with a friend and we were working on with with some people in regards to transition before they went from one church to another and One of the times
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I spoke was in regards to giving and it had more to do with my friend And I didn't want him to do it because it's awkward to ask for yourself and it and they might mean more coming from someone else and so this is really really though My my least favorite topic
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Myself in a lot of ways, so the The reason for the post was because I am making a very intentional effort to do full -time evangelism and That that includes things like doing door -to -door evangelism, which
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I'm already doing with my church Doing open -air preaching which which I'm already doing to a degree
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In addition to abortion resistance going to the college and having conversations with our local colleges here the the two of them that are
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Larger in size and that are that are in my direct vicinity are Fresno City College and Fresno State and and I Spend time over to recovery ministry, and I do that primarily with my church
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So the the majority of the things that I'm doing right now I do with with brothers and with others and with my church, and I'm not looking to specifically get away from that But what
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I want to do is dedicate All of my time as if it were
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Towards evangelism and so not changing what I do in regards to my activities
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But consuming my time with it Because nothing else makes sense for me
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There's only one thing that I don't have any desire to do and that's to have these conversations with people.
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I think that that we all deal with this to varying degrees in regards to Should I should
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I not have that conversation with that person? that seems lost or that doesn't know the truth or has a false version of the truth whether it be a
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Mormon Jehovah's Witness or Roman Catholic and And I can't stop myself from having that conversation once I realize it's there
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So it's a it's definitely Somewhere I feel led for lack of a better way of putting it and I hate to use
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Overly spiritual terms for these things because I think they're they're really abused but nothing
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Conflation no confusion as to what I should be doing And and spending time talking to people in regards to the truth is is that thing?
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And so this is was reaching out to people so that my family could be supported in it while I do that, so I still realize that I have a responsibility as a
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Father and as a husband to take care of my family if I don't I'm heck. Yeah, you do
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Yeah, if I don't I'm worse than a pagan, right? so I'm not
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I'm not looking to shirk that they aren't You know quite the same as I'm very
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Spartan in need I don't need much if I could convince them we could live out of a tent and And just get the food we need and then that's that's
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I can live like that by my family. It's not as Enthusiastic about that.
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So I love them. I care for them. I care about how they feel about things And so I'm looking to to be able to do the work of an evangelist and then still be able to Live and live in a place with walls roof and a toilet
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Yeah, I think I think your wife would would definitely appreciate your your desire to to to provide and so let's talk about this a little bit more because in the
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Facebook thing that you put up you are asking for financial support and I believe that last
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I looked you're at 13 % of your goal and You are looking for people to sponsor you to to support you now.
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You're not the first person to do this. Am I right? Well, absolutely not you actually introduced me to somebody who ended up being friends of friends elsewhere
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And in an area that I that I had previously looked in regards to Some kind of direction in this
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Ryan Denton who is we hit it off immediately. He's wonderful to talk to he
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He led me to somebody else that's in charge of the Whitfield Oh program which is a
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Group that that helps it support open -air preachers who want to do it full -time not so much in the way that they give them funds, but they manage the funds and so I'm looking more at that and have been having dialogue with the the person who runs that which is who
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Ryan introduced me to and And so that's been interesting But yeah,
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I mean, I mean you have people who've turned it into something big Which is not specifically what I'm looking to do like Ray Comfort, right?
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Who has made a really big name for himself in regards to his open -air evangelism?
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I'm a little bit more about using all the tools in my toolbox. And so for example
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I'm at my church that my body that I'm that I'm part of is in Kingsburg, California And so if I was going to do my primary door -to -door would probably be there and just work with them in regards to these are the houses we've hit and haven't hit and have those discussions with them as Well as doing the the open air and as well as having the conversations so it's a
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Yeah, not not the first person to do this, you know Whitfield wasn't the first person I'm pretty sure the disciples were the first people to do this although perhaps not using social media as a form of Building their their support, right?
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well, and the reason that I I mentioned that is because I Think that a lot of Christians are really
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Possibly I mean, I know that I was that oh, there's people that are out there doing this full -time and They're supported by other people so that they can be free to do this.
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I mean Usually when you see people walking down the street and see you've mentioned before that you go to people's houses and What's the first thing that people think of?
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Well, they think of Mormons or Jehovah's Witnesses And so I think that you know, it's possible that a lot of people out there just aren't aware of the fact that there are full -time evangelists and That they would hopefully be supported by by the church, you know it's just something that I want people to to think about is that you're not the you're not the first person that's out there doing this that there are other people out there that are doing this and And who are actually supported by by fellow
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Christians. Now, let me ask you so you see you do you do go door -to -door and Walk us through that.
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Tell us tell us what that what that involves. I mean What does that look like?
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Okay, so with with doing it with the congregation or even even uh, so let me let me dial it back real quick I heard the first time
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I started doing it with with a group of believers that belongs to different churches no, there weren't a ton of people at their churches that wanted to do it and they ended up finding each other and they walked up to my door one day and asked me
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Is that more people need to be asked and I gave him my answers and then they invited me to come out with them Not realizing that I would be
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I'd be preaching to them a little bit too but I mean I got into hard doctrines with them right away just to see where they were at the their approach was to hit a certain a certain area and then go on and then because they were a little bit more a
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Seasonal the next season they would go back and talk to the people that they had had notes on Before at the beginning of the next season and then
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They would then I would go into a new area and so what we've been doing that when I came to grace
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Of the valley, which is where I go to in Kingsburg They already had a systematized approach.
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They already had sectors laid out It was it was really kind of neat to see the map and see like so for example this next week when we come up We just finished the last area of a map and we'll have a new area of a map of these areas and there's going to be, you know anywhere between two to six of us that go out and we'll take different parts of different blocks and then we'll mark the areas that we did and then we'll come back and say these areas what we
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Got and and then move on to another area within that sector than the following week And so it's a it's it's generally a systematic approach
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I would I mean if anybody's listening to this and was wondering, you know, what's a what's some good? Things to do maybe other than that I would say take notes of places
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You've had conversations with people so you can follow up with them later. You don't necessarily need to get their email address and phone number but if you have a decent conversation or you're concerned or I mean
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Even if you know that they don't believe And you can tell that you've had enough of a conversation to find that out following up that with them to see where they're at Doesn't hurt so but you don't but you completely lack the ability to do that if you don't take any notes at all
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So there's different ways of starting the conversation, but that's probably a good approach to do that What's the ultimate goal?
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so, I mean Obviously, I would think that if people saw you coming to their door that they're going to think that you're jobs witness.
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Am I right? That's happened more than once. Yeah so,
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I mean the goal is to what do you do a Bible study with them in their house, or Do you try to invite them to a local church or I mean obviously?
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You want to preach the gospel and hope that they would be saved but? We're not you're not after decisional
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Evangelism am I right? Well, it's completely true So I'm not trying to I'm not trying to find my way into their house
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They invite me and I'm going but that's not my goal The emphasis is to to be able to plan the gospel and show them their need for it, right?
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So I mean the a typical conversation might start one of a few ways, but one way might be
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You know, hey, I'm you know, I'm Joseph I go to you know, I'm from Grace of the Valley But you know, we're going out and meeting our neighborhood
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And I was just wondering if there's anything we pray for and I might just be the the simple way of starting the conversation I in fact that's that's how
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I've approached Very similarly how I approach walking around my own neighborhood So, you know,
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I walk around the houses near here and it's like hey, I'm I'm Joseph I'm one of your neighbors and I just want to know if you have anything I can pray for and and then beyond that The yes, no or indifferent and if they do
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I generally want to know and I write it down but um But following that I say well, you know, do you have a local church body you go to and you know if they don't
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Or they do or they don't then I asked him I thought you know the next question. It's like well It's the hard question it's a really uncomfortable question to ask if they say they
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Believe I I kind of add a maybe a little extra part to it and say well You know, it's really encouraging to talk to people who share faith when they answer this question
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If you were to stand before God He said what he said, why should I let you in heaven? What would your answer be or you know?
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If you died today, where would you go heaven or hell because it ultimately comes down to that that answer And so maybe
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I'm shortcutting. Maybe there's a longer fancier way of getting to that, but I just asked the question And so and then respond accordingly, right?
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So if somebody says Well, you know, I'm a pretty good person. Well, then I know what the answer is If somebody says
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I haven't I hope I know what the answer is Yeah, if so, so those are really all right. I don't know.
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I know what the answer is so those things are really simple and then I might might I might take him more of a
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Law approach in regards to exposing their their sin and need for a Savior I'm I say that I don't mean might
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I will that's what I'll do but with somebody who professes faith I'm gonna dig in a little bit deeper just to see because I don't assume because somebody goes to church and and they say that doesn't mean that they that they do and so some sometimes
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I talk a little bit more about how we're a new creation in Christ and what that looks like how
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Christ is Lord and If we love him, we'll do what he says
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And in so one of the things I might even ask him about and not not that this is the absolute litmus test
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But I just want to see what they say. And so what does evangelism look like in your in your life? Do you share your faith with other people?
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and what does that look like I'm just gonna and not in a way that I'm trying to be overtly aggressive, but but encouraging or encouraged if they if they have a response and so unfortunately, typically it's people who know what the right things to say are that show up week in week out to church, but But that's the extent of their
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Christian life. And so that's kind of those are part of the who I'm looking for also in regards to Sharing what the gospel means in regards to what salvation accomplishes in an individual and what it makes a man
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After Christ has after they've met God for maybe how washer might might say it like the change that happens when you've come face to face with God Right, well, yeah, you know,
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I think that it's really important to just draw people out a little bit more like you said because I've I share my faith at work and and You know a lot of a lot of the guys that I work with it
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They know that I'm a I'm a Christian and I know who the atheists are and you know We challenge each other all the time, but I I find it really
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Alarming at how many people are out there that will say like oh, yeah I'm a Christian and so then you do exactly what you what you
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Said is you try to draw them out a little bit more and say well, okay I mean so as a professing
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Christian, I mean, what do you think? I mean obviously you think you're gonna go to heaven like how are you gonna get there and I Remember I was talking to this one guy.
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He's a firefighter and his dad was a pastor and asked him I said well what what does your church teach about how a person can be saved or what they
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You know if I went to your church and asked this question if I died today, how would
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I go to heaven? What would you say? And this this guy is a son of a pastor
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He told me he said well, you know, I mean you just gotta You know follow the
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Ten Commandments and you got to be good and and you know, just try your best I mean, you know, nobody's perfect and but you know, it's just you know
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You just got to try your best and I was like was that what you're hoping in and he's like, well, yeah
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I mean, I you know Nobody's perfect and I you know, you just gotta try to obey the
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Ten Commandments and know and I'm like dude You're not even a Christian, you know, if that's if that's what you believe, you're not even a
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Christian You're you're a lost reprobate still in your sin and I mean as a fireman like I you know
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The stuff that they tell me and it's like they can dish it out So I'm just asking for equal air time and I you know,
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I told him just like that I was like, you know, you're still in your sins if you if that's what you believe and it's it's
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Alarming at how many people just don't understand the gospel and when you ask them those those probing questions
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They profess to be a Christian because maybe their family's a Christian maybe they go to church every once in a while or the wife drags them to church or whatever and They they think that they're a
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Christian and then you find out like you don't understand the gospel You you're not a
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Christian at all. You're not saved So, I really appreciate that you're doing that but I'm thinking that With everything that you're talking about.
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I'm I'm hearing you and I'm thinking that this doing this actually takes a lot of time because having conversations with people just going and Sitting down with people and talking to people
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Really I mean these can be hour -long conversations that you have with people where you're witnessing to them and they they have a story to tell or they you know, they're just you're pressing in with the gospel and So one of the things
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I just want to I just want to make sure I just want to ask you because nobody should support you in this if You're neglecting your family in order to do this.
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And so You would agree with me on that right you're not neglecting Oh 100 %
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Absolutely. Did that might so the Deuteronomy 6 still applies
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My job is to raise raise my children that the proverb still applies raise your children and in his ways and they won't leave when when they get old,
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I mean so I can't ignore some of Scripture for other parts of Scripture and And I need to be diligent and with my family
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Yeah, absolutely because you know just in doing the podcast Man, if this if this really just takes everything away from my family, then
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I'm shutting the podcast down I mean my family is my first mission
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My family is my first ministry. And so I really appreciate your perspective.
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I really appreciate where you're coming from now Talk to me about the abortion mills You said that you that part of what you're doing as a full -time evangelist is you're going out and you're evangelizing
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At the abortion clinics, you've put up some videos on Facebook All right, so I just got to ask
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I just got to ask this. Are you with AHA? No, I'm not.
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Okay, so people can people can go to abortion mills and Preach the gospel and not be affiliated with AHA But is there another organization besides AHA that does this?
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yeah, a church should be doing it, but the I mean, that's that's the short answer the
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I mean and unfortunately, that's gonna sound like a lot of what they argue, but I'm not gonna say they're wrong where they're right.
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I mean the church should be more involved with it I mean you've seen pictures you've seen maps where you've got, you know a hundred and something churches around there and you've only got one person standing on the side of the abortion mill where babies are being
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Slaughtered and you wonder why and my thing would be that maybe a lot of those places aren't churches But I would have said that without having to get abortion into the question.
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I don't think abortion is litmus test It's a it's a it's a indicator it's a flag it's not the it's not the
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It's not the the standalone evidence, so so I'll let me let me go into just a little bit more briefly because So this might not make me super popular with with some of the
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Bunker group and the Bible Thumping Wiener guys, but I don't think that everybody and I don't think that everybody's that bad but the
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I don't think everybody that's Affiliated with AHA is Isn't the worst end of things is in the cult as it were as it gets referred to and I'll give an example there's a guy that He's loosely affiliated with AHA that that is part of my church.
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He serves in the church he He's one of the few people that wants to go out and do evangelism and not just the abortion mill evangelism
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But the door -to -door evangelism He wants to get out there and do things He likes to wear their swag and uses their their media in regards to some of the stuff
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He has out in front of the abortion mill And he is very much about fellowship.
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He's very much about Being submitted to the elders of the church The elders at our church know that he's affiliated with AHA there they somebody
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When when the ball dropped in regards to heritage grace Warned I think called my my my senior the night.
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He's not he's not his title isn't a senior pastor, but But he's the teaching pastor there and he talked to him and he's not worried about him.
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And so Just because he likes some of what some of them You're gonna have to explain what what that I mean you're referencing things that yeah a lot of our listeners may not understand
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What do you mean the ball drops with? heritage What was the heritage grace?
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Okay, so heritage grace is one of the most solid churches. I've ever been to I mean I'll take that back.
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It's the most solid church. I've ever seen It's located in Frisco, Texas They are constantly out there doing open -air evangelism whether it be in downtown and playing over in Denton and and their pastor
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Regular basis, I think just about every Wednesday as far as when class is in session that I know of I don't know that he
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Slowed down or stop goes out every Wednesday and and does open -air evangelism and has
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His microphone set up and the opposite mic and is willing to engage in apologetics And so these these guys are out there doing the work the way
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I like to describe them to people who when I maybe have an idea of them, but I don't have the time to go into all the details is
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They're like the the churches that weren't reviewed in Revelation they're they're they're
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I I've never had more sweet fellowship with with men and not had to feel like I Think I could just discuss things with them and not feel like I was
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Trying to correct anything And it was just it was it super super solid guys and so a it's like it's like being on our podcast
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That was vain Start that sentence over okay, so a
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AHA Had the church repent project and so where where I can see some value to in some degree to to the idea that idea
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The They decided to stand outside of that church That super solid church.
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It goes out and faithfully preaches the gospel on a regular basis That they jokingly call there and I don't think it's that much of a joke to be honest with you but they jokingly call their their their
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Sunday school class for the adults Sunday seminary because the last three classes I'm aware of that they went over was
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Systematic theology then Then biblical theology I can't to be honest.
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I can't remember the last one, but they that's there That's what they're teaching through to their congregants They they went to that church and called them to repent
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Of what kind of apathy, right? That's the question. Um, they they preach against the abortion being murder
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Faithfully they don't know nobody there equivocates on that And and when I've been out preaching with them and so I know that's what they preach
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And so that they chose that church and so that got a lot of people up in arms. So people were kind of Cautious, I think a lot of people were cautious with with AHA not everyone, but but there's there's quite a few and When that happened when they when they attacked a super super solid
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Bible teaching preaching gospel everything Church there was there was a huge issue a huge fallout
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And it was around that time that that I think when when my friend was asking questions or maybe taking aside because Because you know lack of information.
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I know that when I am trying to learn things I challenge things That that somebody had called in to our congregation to To warn about him, but he's
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Very involved super solid submissive the elders. He's none of what usually gets ascribed to what would be a
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Naha member in regards to the people that refer to as cult -like So so I know that that there are problems there particularly with the leadership, but I'm not going to carte blanche say that everybody who affiliates with them is is
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Part of the cult I Know I know at least one person and That that isn't even a little even remotely
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And so and I and he's one of the people that I go out and do abortion resistance with there's another gentleman That I go out with on another day who goes to another church and and so I Get to use all my tools on one day on a
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Friday. I might use my open -air preaching tool and on Wednesday I might use my conversational evangelism tool, so I you know
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I don't I I like to be able to To to do what's what the situation calls for and it's fun to be around different people so I can exercise different muscles in regards to evangelism and apologetics
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Yeah, I mean we certainly would agree that Abortion is murder.
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There's no doubt about it And in my mind it is probably the worst case of murder because What you have is a mother who is?
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actually murdering her own child and that just screams against against the
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Creator and so you know I really appreciate everything that you're doing and Here's here's what
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Been preaching the gospel to people you've been going out faithfully to the abortion abortion mills we need people we need people like you to go out there and do that and I'm I'm actually not able to Do that as much as I'd like to I used to Go out and when
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I was single and even even when I when I got married And I wasn't so busy at home with with the kids, but I would go out to the park and do
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Ray Comfort style evangelism, and it was it was a blast and I remember there were people that Responded favorably there are people that didn't respond favorably
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And you just have to trust the Lord with with that and it was it was a lot of fun
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But I remember that it took a lot of time and in just preparing and and actually having those conversations and following up with people
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You meet all sorts of people And they'll talk to you for hours about what's going on with their family
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You know you just you just ask somebody if they need prayer And they'll open up to you, so I want to make a pitch for you that you know
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Joseph How can people if somebody is looking to to help you out?
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What can they do okay, so For the for the moment what I have set up for is a is a crowdfunding site.
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It's it's pretty Transparent in regards to it'll show what
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I've been given through it already What it won't show is what people have promised to give on a regular basis
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I Actually in a way a lot more comfortable doing open -air preaching I spent a lot of time in scripture so that I can
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I can know what I need to say when I'm supposed to say It and so in this way, this is a little bit more
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More daunting for me because for all that study that I do if I don't explain it correctly here
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Especially with the time that I've had to prepare to do it Then then it's not a study time is not wasted that man just it's a it's a huge weight on me
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I When you know, I'm a man of unclean lips I understand that the message of God is a privilege for me to share and This is one of the most humbling things for me to do is to share with you guys
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So what with that we're going to be talking about the parable of the soils. Okay, it's in Matthew 13
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SB 1 through 23 And And so as we're talking about preaching
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Or me preaching this is this is about that It's not just about Saying it or the right words to say but it's about what its effects are and In a way what you can kind of see in people in regards to their responses to the to the gospel
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So with that I'll start So that day Jesus went out of the house and was sitting by the sea and a large crowd gathered to him
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So he got into a boat and sat down and the whole crowd was standing on the beach And he spoke many things to them in parables saying behold
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The sower went out to sow and as he sowed some seeds fell by the road and The birds came and ate them up Others fell on the rocky places where they did not have much soil and immediately they sprang up because they had no depth of soil, but when the
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Sun had risen they were scorched and Because they had no root they withered away others fell among the thorns and the thorns came up and choked them out and Others fell on the good soil and yielded a crop
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Some a hundredfold some sixty some thirty Here he who has ears let him hear
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And the disciples came to him Saying why do you speak to them in parables and Jesus answered them?
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To you it has been granted to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it has not been granted
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For whoever has to him more shall be given and he will have an abundance Whoever does not have even what he has shall be taken away from him.
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Therefore I speak to them in parables because while seeing they do not see and while hearing they do not hear nor do they understand in Their case the prophecy of Isaiah is being fulfilled which says you will keep on hearing but you will not understand
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You will keep on seeing But will not perceive for the heart of his this people has become dull and with their ears
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They scarcely hear and they have closed their eyes Otherwise, they would see with their eyes and hear with their ears and understand their heart and return and I would heal them but Blessed are your eyes because they see and your ears because they hear for truly
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I say to you that many prophets and righteous men desired to see what you see and did not see it and to hear what you
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Hear and did not hear it Hear then so this media explanation Hear then the parable of the sower when anyone hears the word and Does not understand it the evil one comes and snatches it away what has been sown in his heart
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This is the one whom on seed was sown beside the road the one on Whom the seed was sown on the rocky places.
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This is the man who hears the word and Immediately receives it with joy
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Yet he has no firm root in himself but is only temporary and when affliction or persecution arises because of the word immediately he falls away and The one on whom seed was sown seed was sown among the thorns
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This is the man that hears the word and the worry of the world and the deceitfulness of wealth choke the word and it becomes
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Unfruitful and on whom the scene was sown on the good soil This is the man who hears the word and understands it who indeed bears fruit and brings forth
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Some a hundred some sixty and some thirty so in Matthew the verse before this right right before he goes into this parable he says
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That he who does the will of my father is an emphasis on doing right before this starts
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And so we're gonna we're gonna understand it a little bit through that lens, but also through a couple of things So the reason why he's telling parables is very obvious.
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It's for the people to who will hear that they will he's fulfilling prophecy As well as as keeping people from understanding so that let's not miss
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Understand him the intention was not for everyone to understand but was for the people who would understand to understand
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But to unlock this parable, so what we're going to do is we're going to talk about three keys I'm gonna I'm gonna go back to these on occasion. Okay, so the three keys are the seed the fruit and the soils
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Okay, the seed the fruit and the soils The seed is the message.
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It's the word right? It's the gospel. It's repent and believe there's a lot of a Breakdown to that and we could have a whole conversation just on that and and that would be a lot of fun, too
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But but in this case, we're gonna assume that we understand this to a degree and that's the message that's going out
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That's being cast out The fruit right? That's what the seed is meant to produce
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It is the product of faith is the evidence of salvation. This is covered throughout the text We do not make the fruit ourselves.
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We cannot make the seed grow. It is God who does that we get to contribute We get to be involved, but we cannot make ourselves
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Faithful it is God who makes us faithful and the evidence of that faith is the fruit and the growth the soils
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What they represent is a heart and Jesus makes it really clear. Okay, so what we have with these soils
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Is there are conditions in the soils? Okay, so there's seen conditions
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There's ones that are there's very very obvious and then there's unseen conditions that don't manifest till later You don't see what they are right away and in many ways is about end results
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But I think it's applicable to look at ourselves and kind of see where we at and where we match up with this So the hard soil first run the hard soil.
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So the message that fell in the hard soil. There was no fruit. It was eaten the explanation given by Jesus was that they heard but they didn't understand and So it was due to their hardness of heart
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The heart was hard it didn't penetrate Now now why why didn't they understand, you know, what makes a heart hard?
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Well in Zechariah You have to turn here. I'll read it real quick. It's a 711 through 13
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They refused to pay attention and turned a stubborn shoulder and stopped their ears from hearing
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They made their hearts like flint so they could not hear the law and their words Which the
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Lord of hosts had sent by his spirit through the former prophets Therefore great wrath came on them from the
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Lord of hosts and just as he called and they would not listen So they called and I would not listen said the
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Lord of hosts. So right here. What we have is there's a person that's hardening themself So that that's not all because the
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Bible speaks on a lot of these things the Old Testament prophets had no problem with speaking a message directly
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Understanding that people wouldn't necessarily receive it Jeremiah is a fantastic example of it He had a whole ministry that didn't didn't generate a whole lot by our standards
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Some people would say he failed in his ministry because he didn't have a lot of a lot of productive growth from it Not everybody repented, right?
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But Jesus make this makes it clear by referring to Isaiah. He says, you know render their render the hearts of these people
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Insensitive their ears dull and their eyes dim Otherwise they might see With their eyes and hear with their ears and understand what their hearts and return and be healed
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Paul also spoke on this. He said so he does that so then he has mercy on whom he desires me hardens whom he desires and so You know that this there's a there's a an interesting explanation in Scripture Some of it is that God hardens who he's completely sovereign in all this
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There's nothing without his scope of control But we are we are responsible You know in the story of Pharaoh it goes back and forth between saying
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God hardened his heart and Pharaoh hardened his own heart and so we have both so the Seed it's taken away so it says
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I'm Peter 5 a be silver of spirit be on alert for your adversary the devil prowls around like a roaring lion
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Seeking someone whom he may devour Okay, so the devil is the is the bird
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Jesus explains this and he prowls around like a roaring lion or like a waiting bird Seeming to which whom he may devour and that being the the message from us that we would reject
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God That's his goal that that he could bring as many people to hell with him where he will suffer along with those who don't believe now just just to reiterate because because the it's a hard saying but The important thing to remember is that God is sovereign and man is responsible
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His sovereignty does not advocate us from our responsibility. We are responsible for responsible him regardless of him being in troll
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If you want to if you want a really quick lesson on how an apostle deals with that question read through Romans 9
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Okay, so the keys the message fell on a hard heart and is eaten up by the adversary and bears no fruit of salvation
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So this is a this is a case for somebody who who in the end isn't saved they rejected it
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Okay, so we have the rocky soil and this says this this represents a hard heart as well the difference between This and the obviously hard soil is that the hardness is underneath Okay, so it is under the surface
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You know, it's a Because because they have no depth of root. They have no stability
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They cannot receive the necessary water and nutrients that the Word of God or the fellowship with the
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Saints provides and when things get tough they fall away whether it is either temptation or persecution so that the wonderful thing about this parable is that it's told in three of the
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Gospels if you want to if you want a full understanding of What it teaches and you're reading through your studying and you want to make sure
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I'm telling you the right thing You would do yourself a favor and going through all three So temptation, so what kind of temptations are there?
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Well, Jesus was tempted by by by three things basically provision pride and power
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Okay Provision he was told to make himself food her pride He was told to the jump off and even the angels would save him in power
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All of this will be yours bow to me and all this will be yours The only one that promises that it's a devil Right.
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So the only one that promises you that you will have all the things in this world If you bow to him if you worship him is the devil.
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That's not God So for you, this could be different. There might be a situation that you have to make a decision between the things you love or the things you
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You want or need and choose between them in your faith and though it is one thing to stumble
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It's completely different thing to fall away So so for example in regards to persecution
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Jesus said woe to you and then speak well of you for their fathers used to treat the false prophets in the same way
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As opposed to blessed are you when you have been persecuted for the sake of righteousness for theirs is the kingdom of heaven blessed are you when people insult you and persecute you and Falsely say all kinds of evil against you
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Because of me he says rejoicing be glad So so there's an expectation in regards to following Christ I think a lot of people run into this they get taught a message of how you can add
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Christ your life and he's gonna do all these things for you and Don't tell you that you need to count the cost because there will you will suffer persecution for Oh Obediently following him
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People will reject the message Samuel was was very well comforted by God when he was reminded that it's not
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It's not them that they reject but it's him that they reject but uh, but God So last if we have the you know, it's a good soil, right we have a good soil
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The good soil is the obvious one, right it produces much It is the the result of saving faith
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There's there's a parable where Jesus talks about a tree that produces no fruit and the landowner comes and says he wants to cut down the tree and then
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The he says, you know, just give me some time with it At the end if it produces no fruit it's cut down so the producing fruit is a is a necessary consequence of Saving faith, you know,
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Jesus said why do you call me Lord and not do what I say? So so it's there's no there's no There's no wiggle room with Jesus, right?
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He says you must Die to self right? So this this is the fruit that that has done this
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It has produced and one commentator said that at the time an h1 crop would be would be considered average and And so we're seeing a 30 fold 50 fold and a hundred fold
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And so this is a this is a complete giving over of self to Christ And in which he produces these things in you it is a it is a praise
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God that that though He works with imperfect People that that he that he does this anyways that he is by him now
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That I almost wish to that do that that we could stop there right because the last ones the the thorny soil
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Now the the thorny soil is to me the scariest Okay, because it grows just like everything else like it grows up tall you know it that the difference is that and the primary difference between it and the good soil is that it
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Produces no fruit that comes to maturity Right, so it doesn't say that it's considered unfruitful.
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So it's not like it doesn't grow at all It does grow in fact It grows has enough depth of root where it can survive the
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Sun that destroyed the one with shallow depth You know the winds don't take it down as as as it did with the the shallow depth
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So it deals with you know temptation of persecution doesn't call it to fall away as it were to leave
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And just on that, you know the the falling away it Let's not be confused there you can't you can't lose
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Eternal life, it's not eternal if you lose it, right? It doesn't work that way and first John it says they went out from us So we would know they were not of us somebody falling away is evidence that they were not ever really of us
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That's the falling away that happens there. But this third soil doesn't it doesn't fall away. It stays strong.
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It grows It doesn't but it doesn't produce any fruit and it doesn't get harvested It's not used It's scary because it says the the cares of this world and the deceitfulness of riches
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These are things in our life These can be you know The things that prevent us or how we make decisions not to do what
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God is very specifically asked to do Might be we might come up with a lot of excuses To not do them, right?
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Like, you know, I've got this other this other thing that's that I've decided is important to do we you know, it's interesting we that that this happened this week we went over a parable where This past Sunday where it was about Jesus was giving the example
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Of a man inviting everybody to a feast right and right as he was inviting them and they would have known He says that to come in and they come up with all kinds of excuses, right?
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And one of them says, you know, I've got a you know I've got a new wife and another one says I've got a yoke of oxen and the other one says I have this land
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I need to look at and And they all have reasons and I think by and large
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We would say well, I understand if you have something important to do why why why you're not doing why you're not coming in You know you you have you have to you of course you have to attend to your wife and of course you do these things and in this way,
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I'm not making an excuse for us to ignore our responsibilities as men in regards to keeping our word
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Being faithful to our wives raising our children To do the work that doesn't work that way.
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You can't justify sin with a with with some form of obedience but The problem is when we use these excuses to not do the work
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That he's given us to do so the in first John it says the lust of the flow, you know do not love the world or the things of this world if you do the love of the father's not in you and These things are the lust of the flesh the lust of the eyes and the boastful pride of life
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That those are that's a pretty powerful statement If the love of the father's not in you that means that you don't have
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Christ so so the the scary thing that's like I said the scariest thing about this the soil is that it looks just like For all intents and purposes as it's growing.
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It looks just like the the good soil No, you wouldn't have you do you don't tell the difference until after it starts growing and it bears no fruit
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It's a it's tragic, right? So Jesus talks about this When he says a few different things,
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I mean one of them is, um, you know, not not everyone who cries Lord Lord will One to the kingdom of heaven, but those who do the will of my father
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On that day many will cry Lord Lord. Did I not prophesy your name cast out demons your name do many mighty works you say
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I never knew you depart from me the the call the message is
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About a dying to self Right that it is all Christ.
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None of us To repent from our sin and turn towards him as the only means of our salvation it's to be in the world, but not of it and so it's a it's a high calling and the
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The standard is is impossible by ourselves Somebody said, you know one told me well, you know, nobody's perfect.
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So you don't be perfect Well, Jesus said to be perfect. So I have to be perfect. I Can't but I have to be
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The only way I'm perfect is being perfected in Christ So that that's the necessary thing is that took a complete reliance on him and And I know an obedience unto death as he did to the cross with the follow
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His way and in so much follow how Paul followed him now Paul said this, you know be like me as I am like Christ So these people made a tragic mistake
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They They they stuck around and and they heard the message And they and they understood it right because that was the primary problem of the hard soil was that it did not understand didn't penetrate
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But I'm like the good soil they didn't actually accept it this being a difference, right
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So just because you understand the propositions of Scripture, I'm just because you understand what it says It doesn't mean that you believe it
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Just because you say you believe it doesn't mean you believe it Jesus made it very clear
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That if you will believe this you will do it So let's not also get this confused with doing it being the method of salvation
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Works cannot save a man. They can only condemn them but what God says by the works of the law. No man is justified
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We can't earn anything Christianity is fundamentally different from all other religions in that all other religions talk about how you have to do these things
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To earn your salvation and even even then maybe you have it and you have to do it right after that.
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Otherwise, you might lose it fundamentally different We have a complete salvation in Christ He when he said it is finished it was finished
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He who began a good work and you will complete it But there are those who will be
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Distracted in their lives too distracted to do the work of God, but they're just just just as fine willing to show up sing the songs
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Say the words I give you and perhaps encouragement in doing the things But are willing to to count the cost and do the work and Jesus made it clear that that it wasn't about A mere profession, but a but a belief
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So so this this is helpful in a couple of ways So you might see some people that that fell away, right?
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And so so somebody might say they had their salvation and they lost it first John makes it clear that didn't happen They went out from us.
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So we would know they were not of us You know, you might see somebody and and here's the thing.
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I cut myself off for a second. We are not the Salvation Police We're not here to look at everybody else and see whether or not they're saved
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This might be an encouragement to see if you see somebody struggling with something that scripture Describes as not being a faithful Christian quality
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That's a good reason to have a conversation with them And in the light of Scripture show it to them and talk to them about it love them in that way
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But it's not your job to discern their absolute complete and other utter state and we're in regards to God's eternal purposes
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Okay, so I I went through this not in the order that it was written for a reason now
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There's a there's a passage that seems to parallel to it And so I went to that if you if you'd like to you can turn to Hebrews chapter 6 and we're going to be in 4 through 8
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This is actually one of the most highly abused pieces of Scripture. So Chapter 6 verse 4 through 8
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Okay, it's a little bit easier I think to understand in light the parable of the soils Okay for in the case of those who have once been enlightened and Tasted the heavenly gift and been made partakers of the
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Holy Spirit and tasted the good work of God and the powers of the age to Come and then have fallen away It is impossible for them to renew again to repentance since they again crucify themselves to the
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Son of God and put him to open shame For the ground that drinks the rain which often falls and brings forth vegetation useful
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To those for the sake it is also tilled receives up blessings from God But if it yields thorns and thistles it is worthless
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Close to being cursed and it ends up being burned. So not to leave you on the on the on the
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What better watch out because it's important to but but I would like to encourage you guys as well so so in 2nd
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Timothy chapter 2 Paul Paul writes suffer hardship with me as a good soldier of Christ Jesus No soldier an act of service entangles himself in the affairs of everyday life
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So that he may please the one who enlisted him as a soldier Also if one completes competes as an athlete
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He does not win the prize unless he competes according to the rules The hard -working farmer ought to be first to receive his share of the cross
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Consider what I say For the Lord will give you understanding and everything our our job our commission as it were as As people who follow
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Christ is to go forward into all the nations Make disciples baptizing teach them his commandments
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That's our that's our job. That's what we're told to do and it would be it's a good reminder to not be
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Distracted by some of the unnecessary things in life that if we truly believe that That somebody who doesn't have faith will suffer eternal torment
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We need to tell them we need to warn them I'm gonna I'm gonna paraphrase a part in Ezekiel 33 and you can you can look at this and look exactly how he says it but in Ezekiel 33
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The idea is to come across that if you see the sword coming and you and you blow your horn
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And they and they flee they have their lives, but if they stay they die in their iniquity But if you see the sword coming and you do not blow your horn and they they will die in their iniquity
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But their bloods on your head, this is God's disposition to warning people
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To flee the wrath that is to come when I when I go and I preach publicly I typically start with And because I don't know how to do it better than Jesus and that's that might just sound like like super pious or whatever
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But it's it's really because I didn't couldn't think of a better way to start. It's repent for the kingdom of heaven is at hand That's our message
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And people need to hear it So so so to kind of sum things up When you do this when you proclaim the gospel doesn't need to be the way
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I do it first off But when you do this because if you are his you will
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These are the effects that we're going to see we're going to see people who seem to completely reject it
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We're gonna see see people who who seem to take you receive it with joy and fall away We're gonna seem to we're gonna see people who seem to receive it
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And then and then they just get distracted by everything else other than doing the work of God And then we're gonna see people that grow with fruit and that's so encouraging
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Know that that that God knew this was going to happen ahead of time that it's not a surprise to him There's an expectation of this
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But it's also good to remember this in self -reflection
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Be Please I saw I please be the the good soil That I would you know work the message this morning work out your salvation with fear and trouble
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