The Holy Spirit and Fire — Shane Idleman

The Holy Spirit Speaks Through Believers Under Persecution

Let's lay some groundwork this topic it divides. And I'm really spring-boarding off of Matthew 10 20 what we talked about a few weeks ago. For it will not be you speaking. But the spirit of your father speaking through you and Jesus said it and actually that was future tense.

He wasn't talking to the disciples right then he was saying in that day when I'm gone and in your persecuted. Don't worry about what you're gonna say because it's a spirit. The Holy Spirit speaking through you he'll show you how to answer.

So Jesus was giving a future tense script a future Application to scripture what was going to happen later on when they are filled with the Spirit of God on Pentecost. So I kind of want to lay some groundwork.

The Holy Spirit as the Spirit of Unity

And I've noticed this is interesting the spirit of unity right the Holy Spirit always remember this the Holy Spirit is never divided. So if there's division in the church guess what it's not the Holy Spirit that's divided against himself.

Somebody's out of order somebody's out of whack here out of kilter and the the Holy Spirit doesn't divide against himself. He's a spirit of unity. So if we all came in fill with the Spirit of God with the fruit of the Spirit that would be united.

Unless there's somebody there, you know false teacher something causing causing issues, so it begs the question How is the spirit of unity become the spirit of disunity? The spirit of unity why is there so much disunity?

Nationally even globally on this issue of the Holy Spirit. Why is that if he's a spirit of unity and that's really what we're going to talk about. And I like what a W Tozer said if the Lord's people were only half as eager to be filled with the Spirit as They are to prove that they cannot be filled the church would be crowded out.

Isn't that true? If they were if we were just as eager to prove that we can be filled with the Holy Spirit as As to prove that we can't be the church's be crowded ministers, but it'd be flourishing. But again, that's why this is a priority.

The Holy Spirit Leads Believers to Christ

The Holy Spirit leads us into a deeper relationship with Christ. So we look to the work of the Spirit in our own life to lead us to that to that to a bigger Broader relationship with Christ. A few scriptures on that Romans 8 9.

However, you are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. But if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ He does not belong to him. So the Holy Spirit. This would be a whole nother sermon on who is the Holy Spirit seeing the triune nature of God.

Which is it's a mystery and it should be how can we worship God as one distinct person here Israel here? I the Lord your God am one one one person one one the God is one yet Theologians and you can't quite put a term on it.

But they the three the triune nature of God, which is pretty close to the tri unity the Trinity. And that's where we get that word Trinity from from the Holy Spirit. The Father and the Son all coming together in perfect unison as the one Essence there if we've got and I don't want to use words here that might not represent, you know, the Trinity.

Well, so I'm very careful. It is hard to say three persons because they're not they're not people. They're not persons, but there's three separate distinct Characteristics of the Trinity yet. They're one.

Does that make sense? I've seen people try to explain it with as an egg, you know an egg you got the shell. You got the white you got the yoke. It's all one, you know. But a lot of those things kind of you know, you can't really use those things to compare the Trinity.

Even though they help in our limited understanding. So that's what the Trinity is the triune nature of God the Father the Son the Holy Spirit. And that's what sets Christianity different from many other religions.

There are some groups that say what I'm saying right there with the Trinity Three and one is blasphemy to God and I want to say well according to this. It's not blasphemy. It's truth and even you can go to the beginning of Scripture in Genesis where it gives it talks about God.

You've heard the word Elohim, right? And that actually that word it comes from the singular LEL and Then you've got Ella the plural and then Elohim. The the dual that this nature of God that encompasses more than the single singular the dual.

This is the triune nature is even in his name Elohim. So we see that throughout Scripture. So it's there's a constant pattern there. And what about the scripture when it says let us make Man in our own image and according to our own likeness.

What is God confused? I mean, let us make man there so there's there's a Trinity there and that would be a whole nother topic. But suffice it to say that the Spirit of Christ is the Holy Spirit First John and it is the Spirit who bears witness because the Spirit is the Spirit of truth Act 751 you men who are stiff-necked and uncircumcised in your heart in your ears.

You are always Resisting the Holy Spirit and this is interesting. This is why sometimes and this is where it's a hard balance to find because on one hand you don't want to put too much Emphasis on the Holy Spirit right and you get way out there and la la land Holy, you know, everything's the Holy Spirit you get weird and and in other churches It's almost like they have the Father the Son and the Holy Word.

They want to avoid it don't really talk about that Shane the Holy Spirit, you know, come on just you know. And but but the Bible talks that the Holy Spirit leads us the Holy Spirit convicts us. The Holy Spirit draws us the Holy Spirit comforts us.

So so he's it's almost like it's God's nature working inside of man yet. We don't want to talk about that. It's it's it's God's it's God's spirit residing in the believer. It's God's spirit convicting the world of judgment of sin of righteousness.

Boldness, Balance, and the Power of the Spirit

And here's one of the the reasons why I think the enemy likes to Really hit this topic hard. It's because boldness comes directly from the Holy Spirit. Direct boldness comes directly from the Holy Spirit.

I didn't realize how many enemies I had until I became bold. To be quite honest with you I mean when I wasn't talking much about God in my 20s man love with the world the world loved me no issues. But when you're filled with the Holy Spirit then the outflowing it.

I've got a witness. I've got a witness. I've got to speak boldly. I've got to speak truth and you upset people and the enemy does not like you coming against his kingdom. So I think this is one of the ways.

One of the ways he gets in is by kind of messing up this whole idea of the Holy Spirit. He doesn't want us to be bold. But on the other hand, he kind of gives people too much freedom where they think well if it's odd.

It's God anything goes and it's of the Holy Spirit moving and you can excuse all kinds of ungodly Behavior because the Holy Spirit told me to do it and that's not biblical either. So we need to find a balance.

And I wrote here as I have before the power of the Holy Spirit is like dynamite. That ignites a hunger for God so intense that every aspect of life is changed. We become bold for Christ not passive. We become stable in Christ not fanatical and we become more committed to Christ not wavering.

So you see why this is so important the Holy Spirit inside the believer as I'm filled with the Holy Spirit outcomes boldness. Income stability. I'm not wavering you're filled with the Spirit of God. So you're speaking truth lies are being changed.

So why would we ignore this topic? But many churches are silent on it or it's overly emphasized if the Holy Spirit is overly emphasized. The relationship with Christ will suffer because we not called to worship him.

He points me to Christ. Does that make sense and in my own personal experience? I saw this I I was a Christian kind of living card carnal just not really no. No, you know no passion for God, but I felt the conviction there and then one day God began to just rip everything from me and Finally said okay enough.

I surrender. I Surrender and I was just filled with the Holy Spirit like nothing. I've ever felt before the Bible became a lot. I couldn't get enough Jones intercable remember that group was you know, turn off my television turn on.

I just love this. I'm getting so much of the truth and I the the filling of the Holy Spirit was so apparent that I didn't even I Wonder if I was even saved. Because I went from and no big deal and now God is everything.

Overnight within it within a few minutes and that that filling of the Holy Spirit. I remember driving on Rancho Vista Boulevard, and I was just overcome with such joy. I mean, I almost had to pull over like four verses coming from.

I have so much joy and love even though I'm going through hell. Where's that coming from? Oh, I know it's the power of the Holy Spirit. And so that's why there's a passion for this is because I can see it change lives and also I can see it diminish lies if you're quenching and grieving the Spirit of God and That we do that a lot not only through sin because we think oh, yeah I'm committing adultery or pornography.

But if we just come in with a critical heart. We quench the Spirit of God if we just come in negative and upset or gossiping. We just quench the Spirit of God. That's why this is so important. Actually that our relationship with the Holy Spirit affects more of our spirituality than we think.

The Spirit-Filled Life and Spiritual Fruit

Second only to salvation. I think this is the most important topic a Christian can be concerned with and that might be a controversial statement, but I passed Salvation is way up there number one. But number two the fully surrendered life a believer being filled with the Spirit of God is right there up there at the top of.

Because it affects everything it affects how we treat our spouses it affects how we treat others it affects. Are we are we effectively when we witness? I mean, I listen to somebody witness without the power of the Holy Spirit and I hear somebody witness with the power of Holy Spirit.

They say the same exact things, but there is a clear Difference. One is saying it's almost like saying thus sayeth the Lord their words. I have power everything is. It's captivating. It's pulling the person in this other person.

Just sounds like a dead theologian who's teaching something in a seminary. What's the difference the power of the Spirit in the believers life? It's a vitally important. Actually the reason a lot of people are feeling dead and lethargic in the church is because of this topic the reason there's there's fighting.

There's complaining and there's bickering and God seems distant and the Bible is boring and I just need to get home watch dancing with the stars. How do you read that thing every morning? Let alone get up and pray worship at your house.

How do you do that? I don't do it. It's through the power and the anointing and the unction the Holy Spirit. That's why it's so it's so important. Take the Spirit of God away. And all you have is lukewarm carnality.

It's vitally important. But this is the acid test when we talk about the Holy Spirit. The acid test is fruit fruit. Not emotionalism not hype now often say you can't whip up the Holy Spirit like a pep rally.

God's got to bring it down into the life of a believer anytime you try to whip it up or manufacture it. You're in trouble because God's not in it. What does that look like. Shane turn on Christian television tomorrow and you'll see what that looks like in many cases sadly.

I mean if we can just get louder we can just get brought and we can just get the right terminology in there. We just you know, but you know, well, you don't need me to do it, but you know what they do.

It probably wouldn't look too good doing that. But the acid test really when somebody says the Holy Spirit this or the Holy Spirit's movie. I want to see the fruit. What does your wife say about you what does your spouse say about you?

What did the kids say about their daddy and mommy? What do others say about you? When have you led somebody to the Lord. One of you has spent two hours in prayer when it show me the fruit. I don't care how high you jump during worship.

I want to know how straight you walk when you come down. That's the fruit that's where the rubber meets the road. Is the fruit of the Spirit present. Well, what is the fruit of spirit many of us know but is there love present?

Is it truly is there love because when I drift from this area? I know the Holy Spirit's not operating. Guess what's operating the flesh when I don't have true love for the brethren when I truly unity their Love what's the next thing joy?

Peace. Patience kindness goodness faithfulness gentleness self-control. And I don't want to just glance over that. Let's just take inventory real quick and let's don't raise your hand. Just be honest within your own heart.

Because God knows God will convict you right now of. Are you impatient? Are you irritable? Are you upset if it is joy left your life? Guess what's happening. The Holy Spirit is not being given Area in your heart to rule and to reign.

Because that's a fruit of the Spirit. I know when I when I'm expend man when date when I'm walking good love and joy and peace and patience and kindness and goodness and faithfulness and gentleness. Right not anger gentleness not explosion gentleness when things don't upset.

I'm walking eggshells. Everything's irritating. The Holy Spirit's not present. He's being quenched. He's being grieved and we have to wake up. We have to notice that from my experience. And I know this term is going to offend some people and I don't apologize I just acknowledge that I know it does and it's supposed to but from my experience I've noticed that many who are very Demonstrative and very emotional and very loose in this area of the Holy Spirit are also those that deal with the most fallout.

Divorce moral failure burnout quarreling division and so on in other words. The more emotional and weirder you get the more problems you have from my personal experience. Of course, this is an absolute I'm just saying from my personal experience talking to many different groups man.

Those that are like wow, that guy's just Overly something. Well, he's got a lot of there's there's not a connection there. It's almost like emotionalism has replaced time in the Word of God and prayer and worship and and you know.

You know, we get emotional right you look at the Dodgers man shirts are off and they're painted blue down one side and this and so. You know What's going on there? He's a fan, right? But so is the guy next to him that's not wearing anything and sitting there eating his popcorn.

But we always judge it if you're emotional. That's where the spirits at. Well, not necessarily from my experience. And that's quite often the opposite sadly. It's almost as if emotionalism has replaced much-needed time with Christ in prayer reflection application and repentance.

Emotionalism can't replace these things. Now I also need a disclaimer in there because Emotions are good. They're not a gauge for truth though. They're a vehicle for expression. So when I feel emotional towards God, that's not a bad thing.

That's a good thing. But sometimes we judge each other too emotional, you know, they're out there and then they say well, he's not emotional. He must not be filled with the Spirit of God. Oh my lord, and we judge everything off emotions.

I Wow, I mean laying down to see people in preaching, you know on the ground because anointing so strong and I'm like This is not good. I don't know why I came here. You know. Wow and guess who was accused of being quenching and grieving the Spirit of God.

Me you're surely. So I have to act like that to be filled with the Spirit. I don't think so that's not biblical. That was hooked to porn that was cheating on his wife and I was getting drunk tonight and they're doing all this weird stuff.

So we have to be very careful in this we don't gauge we don't gauge the Holy Spirit by emotions alone. Granted when God fills you with the Spirit and you're filled with the Spirit of God. You've conquered besetting sin.

You're gonna be a little emotional. I mean we get people in here. They start crying Lord You've delivered me from crack cocaine for a year. I have to worship you. I haven't had a drink in 12 months I have to worship you that addictions been gone I have to worship you in the tears fall and people get excited.

They might even say man praise God. Thank you. Let's camp out at this worship song for the next 10 minutes. Is that okay? Absolutely. Not only is it okay. It's encouraged because that's genuine. It's not made up.

It's not fake. It's not phony. That's the difference. That's the difference don't gauge it on emotionalism. And this is coming from a guy I've told you before who's not emotional my dad. Remember you say boy, you don't cry you don't cry boy.

Get up work hard. Come on blisters on our hands. No emotion. You can't even tempered. You know that might be my to my detriment, I don't know but I'm conservative in some areas. But sometimes when God's moving in my heart, it's okay to you know, let him know, you know.

That's not there's nothing wrong with that. As long as it's not Emotionalism as long as it's not trying to draw attention to yourself as long as we all said I should probably talk about this in the future.

Worship Between Emotionalism and Formalism

With this worship service. It's so interesting. I I've had people leave and they say you're too charismatic and they charismatic. Leave and they go you are so conservative. I don't even know why I mean, do you guys do anything?

Like what is it? Well, I'm caught in the middle too charismatic or too conservative. I don't know. We're just trying to honor God the best we know how and a lot of times that's why God has given us different denominations.

So we can worship God in our own way. As long as it's according to Scripture, but I want to talk about that area of worship, too. Because it gets you know, it does get brought up a lot you know people you know, they often ask one of the questions is with with with the flags during worship and all that and Myself and the elders.

We just don't see that environment for this church. No, it's a bat. It's not a bad thing could be a very good thing, but it's not the environment. We're trying to foster here. We want people to just worship and not be distracted and not not, you know in all these things.

It's more of a worshiping not praise and worship. It's more of a worship service where we come and our hearts are bowed down. We're before God. We're praising him. We're worshiping him and I've told them before I might get to heaven might say Shane you should add flags.

Okay. Well, I'll let God tell me that not you. You know and when I talk to the core team and they're saying yeah, we don't feel like we're going that direction either. Let's let's just you know. And so I think God gives us each individual types of of services based on the character of those leading the church.

Instead of judging saying oh, you're not filled with the Spirit really. You better check the fruit not the actions the fruit of the life. That's where the Holy Spirit is. So just remember that next time somebody you say well, they're quenching and grieving the Spirit of God.

Well, if they got a lot of fruit, we should shut our mouth and take note. Because there's fruit there. Emotions are a vehicle for expression but not but they are not a gauge for truth. We want to make the environment here God honoring.

We don't need to work it up. God needs to bring it down and to be quite honest with you. That's a challenge because how do you worship God? But how do you also? Be be sensitive to those not being distracting and and being sensitive to unbelievers here and all that people might say brother I don't care.

I'm gonna worship God if they don't like it. They don't like it. Well, that's good at your house, but I don't know in a corporate worship setting God I mean Paul says don't speak in tongues or people gonna think you're out of your mind.

Wouldn't that apply to other areas, too? I Mean there's a lot to consider here in the pages of Scripture to sit and just ponder all these things over. Now this is funny too because dead churches say amen Shane you get them.

But the same can be said of dead churches. You're dead. You're cold. You're callous. You need to wake up. You need the power of the Holy Spirit as well because you're dead and you don't even know it. True saints of God.

Listen to this the true saints of God who have had clear heads and pure warm hearts. Have in all generations had to walk between the two extremes of cold formality on the one hand and wild ranting fanaticism on the other.

Dead formality and the false fire of fanaticism are both Satan's counterfeits. And he does not care into which extreme the soul plunges as long as it plunges and that was by George Watson speaking on this topic of revival and what he's basically meaning there is Dead formality just dead read the Bible a couple songs.

Let's go to dinner and they're just man. What is do you even believe what you're teaching. I mean, it's just dead you dead churches as dead as can be or the wild ranting fanatical things both of them are Counterfeits and both of them Satan we used his point to take us further and further away from Christ if we're not careful.

And it's hard to find that middle ground as pastors is extremely hard to find that middle ground if there so does exist a middle Ground, but I think on one hand you want to be God honoring you want to worship him.

But at the same time be sensitive to those within our sphere of influence. And on this topic if anybody has issues would definitely let us know we're not we're not going to think you're you know mean-spirited or anything because You know, we're this is just we're allowing God to move yet.

We want to stay within the perimeters of his word. And if the fruit of the Spirit is not present or if the fruit of the Spirit was present We would see a lot less division on both sides. Think about that.

Unity, Humility, and the Outpouring at Pentecost

If the thing we're arguing about if we had the fruit of the Spirit in our life. Love joy peace contentment long-suffering gentlemen if we have these things there be much less division. Because true love looks past things that we might not agree with true gentleness.

We want to protect each other. When was it last time we said I want to protect the people here versus I want to nitpick and I want to put them down. You see how that works if I came saying listen, I want to protect you you guys.

Not. I'm not talking about weirdness and going away from truth. But if we truly want to protect and love each other versus pull each other down. You would see this issue kind of vanish in many circles.

But we often avoid the fruit of the Spirit in the name of but. And what I mean by that is both sides if we challenge the hyper fanatic fanatical side. Hey fruit of the Spirit, yeah, but but but but you're quenching green the Spirit of God, man.

You got just let it go if it's odd. It's God and they just they throw in butts in there. Yeah, but Shane but you're quenching green the Spirit of God and then you go to this side real dogmatic conservative camp.

You say listen guys, man. I appreciate your heart for theology, but you are just as rigid as a piece of steel. You're just you're you're mean spirited. You're angry. You're upset at everything. Look at you.

You have no fruit of the Spirit. Yeah, but but truth but truth, but but but. So both both sides we we often avoid the fruit of the Spirit with but you know, I know what you said. But so we have to be very careful in this area.

I'm trying to lay it down the groundwork because now we're going to get into this this whole topic of outpouring. Outpouring the story of Pentecost. So let's talk about this controversial topic. Why is everybody going nuts over this?

Well, let's try to unpack this and it's helpful to start at the beginning to gain a clear picture. So if you ever Bibles if you don't I'll read from Acts 2 Acts 2 when the day of Pentecost Arrived, it's where the Pentecostal denomination gets their word.

They're they're they're. I guess they're what their title or the denominational Name from from this text when the day of Pentecost arrived. They were all together. Oh, there you go. We're just talking about that.

They're all together right in unity not bickering complaining all together in one place and suddenly there came from heaven a sound like a mighty rushing wind and it filled the entire house where they were sitting and Divided tongues of fire appeared to them.

Oh boy. There's another controversial topic. We're not going to get out of this thing and Divided tongues of fire appeared to them and rested on each of them and Often wonder when people read this are they embarrassed for the New Testament Christians and all those poor guys.

Oh gosh. Mmm, Holy Spirit fell and tongues of fire. Oh, man, I could never sit in this group. If you do that's a problem. Because we shouldn't be embarrassed about the early church. We should embrace the early church because they set the world upside down.

Turned it upside down 12 to 120 and the 3000 came to Christ and They were all filled with the Holy Spirit and Began to speak in other tongues as the Spirit gave them utterance. Now the word Pentecost means 50 and it comes from the holiday known as the Festival of Weeks in Leviticus 23 Which instructed Israel to count seven weeks or 50 days from the end of Passover to the beginning of the next holiday?

Which which was Shabbat? This was significant for Jewish Christians think about this because seven weeks or 50 days after the resurrection of Jesus Christ. During the celebration of Shabbat or Pentecost the Holy Spirit was poured out.

So you have the Passover? And people say well, what was the Passover? What's the Jesus was the final Passover the Passover lamb was crucified and from that from that the time? He was crucified in the resurrection from that they count of 50 days and here comes this festival of Pentecost and the Holy Spirit Falls on the disciples in a powerful way.

This is unmistakable. And I would keep reading but we're probably try to tackle that next week. But this this presents the first divide in the camp right now both sides right this whole issue of outpouring of Pentecost and here's how the argument goes was Pentecost once and for all.

Guys aren't aware of this, but this is another big divide. Many churches in this valley different sides on this. Was Pentecost once and for all oh? Man yes, and nose and maybes and I don't know. Well, here's.

Here's here's just the biblical answer. Was Pentecost once and for all. Yes in regard to the historical aspect of the church being born. It happened on Pentecost the church was born. But the ongoing need of the spirit to empower God's people still occurs personal what I call personal Pentecost.

That that ongoing need for God to empower his people. Now here we go again. It's gonna. Here's where the debate goes as well. When people use the term baptism of the Holy Spirit. You already get people wiggling in their seats like man I'm about ready to leave just hold on hold on when people use the term baptism of the Holy Spirit.

It's not a bad thing because in the Bible. But the the different sides say there's one baptism. Baptism in the Holy Spirit on the day of Pentecost you're baptizing in the body of Christ. And that's it.

There's no other baptisms the Holy Spirit later. The other side says Yes, there's baptisms of the Holy Spirit later. The problem is is on the on the terminology if you look throughout Scripture. When it talks about when the Bible talks about being baptized in the Holy Spirit.

You remember John the Baptist said there's somebody coming greater than me. I don't. I'm not even worth. I can't even loosen his sandals. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and with fire. So the spirit baptism this baptism of the Holy Spirit.

Looking at Scripture. Contextually happens that conversion when we are baptized into the body of Christ. 1st Corinthians 12 13 Paul says that all Christians became members of Christ's body when they are baptized into the body of Christ.

They're baptism this the baptism of the Holy Spirit when we become believers. But then efficient Ephesians 518 says be filled with the Holy Spirit. Don't be drunk with wine. How do you how are you drunk with wine drink drink drink drink drink drink?

So how you fill with the Holy Spirit drink in the Holy Spirit? I mean drink in the worship drink in the word and even just that language probably sounds a little odd. But I'm not saying you know that kind of drink in whatever.

I'm just saying more of the Holy Spirit more of the Holy Spirit more of the Holy Spirit. That's how you fill the Holy Spirit. So in a nutshell, it's really an arguing over terminology because Theologically the baptism of the Holy Spirit happened at Pentecost.

It happens at conversion when you're baptized in the end of the body of Christ. But what happens later on down the line when people receive this mighty filling of the Holy Spirit? That they sometimes call the baptism of the Holy Spirit the filling of the Holy Spirit the unction of the Holy Spirit.

The power of the Holy Spirit came upon them and Peter being filled with the Holy Spirit. After he was a believer and Paul being filled with the Holy Spirit after he was a believer and Jesus Christ was led into the wilderness.

Tempted came out filled with the Spirit of God. What Jesus what what was Jesus not a Christian before that? But through this temptation time he came out in the fullness of the Spirit then his ministry began.

So you do see a distinct many times it can happen at conversion where somebody's converted. They've got the fire. They've got the power of God in their life. Or it can happen later on down the line. Because what usually happens many times they receive the Holy Spirit at conversion your your believer received the Holy Spirit.

But a lot of us I don't know about you, but we like to hold on to a lot of our sin. I'm a believer, but I sure like to get drunk on the weekends. I'm a believer, but I still like that porn. I'm a believer, but I still like sex and I'm a boy.

He was do we hold on it. I'm not giving God all of my life. Heck. No, I got him. I got him right where I wanted and they quench and grieve the Spirit of God and they don't feel anything. They're not witnessing for Christ.

They're a carnal Christian and then the day comes when they surrender everything because God brings a prodigal home. They give it all to Christ and they are filled with the Spirit of God afresh there.

The Word of God becomes alive and they are filled. They say I don't even know if I was ever say What's the difference the filling of the Holy Spirit so you can call it the baptism you can call it the unction you can Call it the indwelling power.

Whatever you want to call it. You know if you have it or you don't and just to show I Make sure not to bring any questionable ones. I mean like not conservative, but I can take you through. I can take you through all these Resources of people who received a work of God after conversion.

Historical Testimonies of Renewal After Conversion

You want to start with George Whitfield's journals. You want to start with the Calvinist Methodist fathers of wells? It talks about hundreds of years of Welch revivals. Do you want to talk about they found the secret which gives an account of Oswald Chambers to John Bunyan to Amy Carmichael of All these believers who received something after conversion.

DL Moody was preaching. He said my sermons were dead. But when God met me in a powerful way on that street in New York City, I Couldn't I couldn't. I had to get out of the street his power his joys filling me and then I came out preaching then souls Were converted.

What do you do with that? What do you do it? D Martyn Lloyd-jones very conservative a lot of conservative Calvinist like him and I do too. But he talks his whole left a whole left a whole last chapter to preachers.

Guess what? It's called The whole that he said if you're gonna preach you better preach with unction. Demonstrating the power of the Spirit in preaching his whole last chapter. This is one of the top ten books John MacArthur recommends and this guy in the last chapter talks about a subsequent Subsequent work of the Holy Spirit after conversion of Those who surrender to it.

He wrote a great book on revival. Then there's a book lectures on revival written in 1832. This guy's frag who was conservative and he documented all these things. So it's not just Shane up here going.

Oh, I wonder this is countless. There's Christian testimonies and they all go back to what Scripture says this enduement of power. They were nobody's God was boring and then God visited him. He filled them with the Spirit of God.

Now everything changes after conversion. So I don't care what you call it, but you better have it. You better have that power of the Holy Spirit in your life. And there's more. I could have brought ten other books of all the lives of people.

I mean this this one they found the secret is amazing. It's 20 transforms life 20 transformed lives that reveal a touch of eternity. It's all the guys you like to read Oswald Chambers Adonai Jetson Hudson Taylor John Bunyan Amy Carmichael Charles Finney John Hyde Dwight Moody Andrew Murray all these all these people who had a experience with the Holy Spirit sometime years after conversion and They were saved their believers.