Gv4341 Gv Seven Miracles We Need — George Verwer

Well, it's hard to believe that we have come, at least I have come, to the end of my little series of burdens to share with you. And I want to thank you for praying. I want to thank so many of you who have passed on little personal notes of encouragement.

And I will not forget. I haven't forgotten 1980 when I was here. By the way, we put those tapes of 1980 into an album similar to this. This is a new album. They have gone all over the world, those messages given right here at Prairie.

We never expected that, but it was all done by this friend of mine. He's already gone off with the motorhome and the books because he couldn't make it. I'm going in some other kind of vehicle, more Canadian type vehicle.

I think it's a jet-propelled tractor or something. But it's amazing what God can do with cassette tapes. And I know there was a little mix-up this morning. Some of you wanted to order tapes. You couldn't order them, but I think that if you persevere, that will be resolved.

God's Training Through Revelation and Circumstances

And it's good. It's good when you try to do something and it doesn't work out. That's part of God's training program. You know, God speaks through revelation. Watchman Nee talked about this in his book, Release of the Spirit.

There's not everything I like about that book, but he talks about how God speaks through revelation. We hear something. It hits our heart. We repent. And we say, Lord, do something, and there's a release of our spirit.

It's the way he describes it. And he then goes on to speak how God speaks through circumstance. And oftentimes, we're willing for the revelation and the repentance and the brokenness. We're not willing for God speaking through circumstance.

You go to get something and it's not there. So you get irritated or something. I don't think anybody here got irritated over that. But the little things that go wrong are part of God's training program.

You go to someone and you want to show them some love, and they don't want any love from you. They think you're trying to pull something. It goes wrong. That's God's training program. It's not just the Greek class.

It's when the Greek teacher is an absolute bore beyond all calculation. Both are God's training program. And we've got to understand this. In any Christian institution, things will go wrong. Things are going wrong in OM all the time.

And we often learn more when things are going wrong than when things are going right. And this is God's school. And I hope you don't think God's conference ends this evening. God's conference goes on.

Many of you are working to, you know, pay some of your bills to keep going. God teaches us so many lessons through work. When I was a student at Moody, I took a part-time job delivering fur coat buttons in the loop in Chicago to make a little money.

I think for missions. I don't remember. But I was always giving out tracts. And I was working for a Jewish man delivering fur coat buttons. And one day, he sent me down to pick up some money. Somebody was delivering some money.

I'm not sure what this man was into, actually. But I had to pick up some money on the corner. So I went down, and of course, I was giving out tracts. Waiting for the man to come with the money. Pretty soon, you know, they thought I'd run off with the money.

And they sent a couple of goons down. And of course, I was on the wrong corner. Giving out my tracts. And the contact had come with the money and gone. And they're waiting upstairs for the money. And I'm down there, you know, Moody student.

Praise the Lord. And I learned so much through that. And many other experiences. Things that I, mistakes I made. I misread the social policy. Moody Bible Institute has a social policy. A dating policy.

It's basically, you know, it's pretty heavy. Long thing, you know. No dating cats, you know. So I, when I went into Moody, I was a bit anti-girl at that time. I'd just come out of that few mess-ups.

So I was off women. You know how it is. So I didn't read that section. Then, as I told you the other night, I met my wife, Dreena. And I went down to have this date, you know, when I shared with her about the cannibal soup.

Sorry if some of you missed this, but that's why we have tapes. And I discovered that, in innocence, I was breaking social policy. And so God spoke to my heart. And I went to the dean of men. You know, little freshmen.

These spiritual giants, you know, deans. You know, they look like giant pillars looming up in the middle of the Atlantic Ocean. And I, you know, knocked on the dean's door. Dean Broman, you know. Man of God.

George Verwer, evangelical twit. And I went into the dean and I said, You know, dean, I didn't mean to do it, but I think I've broken this social policy. I've got this girl. She's a night school student.

She's an employee. And we were meeting, studying the Book of Acts in her. She was living outside the institute in some women's hostel. And there was a rule about not being alone in a room outside the institute.

You know, one of these complex rules. And, you know, I didn't know what was going to happen. As I shared with the dean that I'd broken the social policy. He was so gentle. And he, you know, he was so appreciative that I'd even come.

Of course, a lot of students were just, they were shooting the social policy down with, you know, guided missiles. And he became one of my closest friends. Dean Broman. And it was my friendship with just a few on the administration.

I bring into balance something I said about the Moody staff the other night. It was a bit heavy. I felt a bit of a twitch about that. But it was my relationship with the dean and relationship with just a few other people that was so important.

And students, one of the reasons you may not have more relationships with faculty and staff is you lack the ability to take the initiative. That's deadly. That's spiritual cancer. The failure to take initiative.

Because people have a lot of work. They have a lot to do. And so they'll do what's, you know, what's to do. But on the other hand, most spiritual people like me are saying, Lord, if there's someone with a burden, bring them to me.

We are not mind readers. We're also more shy than we look. I still have a little bit of a shy streak. You may not believe that. I know it seems a drop of skepticism just went across a lot of faces. But all of us wrestle with shyness, with a bit of insecurity.

And I'm not the kind of person that, you know, walks in a room with 40 people. I'm a stranger. Just walks in total ease. Shakes everybody's hand. Hello, I'm George Ferry. Oh, hello, yeah. So good to see you.

Not me. I'd rather slip around the corner and look for the punch. And, you know, sit down and hope that someone might maybe quietly come to me and say something to me first. Now, if I, as a hyper choleric, have a few hang-ups yet about people, being at ease in crowds, social activities.

How many of you feel you're just at ease, Mr. Personality? Social life. Just piece of cake. How many of you? Piece of cake. I don't see too many hands. And God, this is just my introduction, you know.

Blooming Where You Are

Right now I could care as much about Edmonton as I am, you know, fishing for kangaroos in Spain. I like to, you know, I like to shoot where I am. Let's bloom where we are. And that's a good message for Prairie, too.

Stop thinking about, oh, someday I'll be a missionary in Africa. Someday I'll be on Operation Mobilization driving my truck like Don Maxwell across the Ganges reaching unreached people. Forget it. For now.

Bloom where you are. And I tell you, in a month it's gonna get mighty cold. Where are my American friends, you know? Yeah, look at it. Bloom where you are because you're gonna freeze in about two months.

Divine Providence as God's Teacher

So, to summarize that, summarize, for those taking notes, God has spoken to many of you through His Word. These days you've repented, you've committed your lives. He's gonna speak again tonight. He's gonna speak through your quiet time, of course, through studies.

But He's also gonna speak through circumstances. Now, where is the dear lady who broke her arm? Is she here? You stand up. God bless you. We were praying for you the moment we heard about that. And we're glad you came back from the hospital.

See, she got blessed in the ministry. But did you actually fall out of bed? No. You just hurt it somehow. Now, student, this is a beautiful illustration of what life is. No, sorry, you had to suffer it so that I could have this illustration.

I didn't arrange it. You can go out of here. Some of you drive into Calgary. You get a puncture. Up here, I don't know, maybe, you know, cattle hit your car or something. Please, I beg of you to understand, God's great teacher is Divine Providence.

Don't miss it. Because all that you can get here, if you don't learn how to take Divine Providence, is often falls short. I'd like to mention that we still have a lot of free literature and other missions as well.

And I hope you'll just take your last visit. I'm leaving it here with Burt, The Challenge of Pakistan. A leaflet from the Keswick Convention not to be ministered unto. One of the most powerful sermons I've ever read.

A chapter from that book, Heart Disease in the Body of Christ by Jack Van Empty. Just one chapter. Dynamite. And literature, How to Pray for the Muslim World, Bill Wilson of OMF. Praying for your missionary.

One of the greatest mission societies there ever has been. Still is. Praying for your missionary. The Why and How. A leaflet by Ralph Satira on Confession. Forgiveness. Very powerful stuff. And an article by Don Hillis, My Experience with a Kleptomaniac.

And the team that I am, OM is divided into teams, and I'm on a little team that is almost completely unheard of in OM. We don't have a big headquarters, we just have a couple of modules that help us keep things going organizationally.

And our little team in London, and we're short of about six workers, is the International Coordinating Team. And we need typists. I think Prairie Bible Institute does as well. And lastly, I am leaving a few of these albums that I've talked to you about with Bert, that you can get tomorrow if you're interested in getting some material, different material that will follow up on what I've been able to start sharing with you here.

Miracles and the Authority of the Bible

Now I have decided to speak to you on the subject of miracles. This is a controversial subject. It's a good one to share, and then run. Miracles we need. We cannot read our Bible without coming across miracles.

I think of Jonah and the whale, or the big fish. I think of Noah. And you know, many humanists and unbelievers, they just mock the Bible. So many people mock the Bible. I think a lot of young people reared in Christian homes, they don't realize how much opposition is out there.

You take the miraculous out of the Bible, and you're going to get a somewhat thin book. Now in OM, we're very heavy on training. So I'm not talking to you now, in some ways, about OM's strong points. We very much are affected by Lloyd-Jones.

I want to just repeat a few items, I almost forgot this, that you must look for in your bookshop, and you must put pressure on the bookshop. To get these books. Let me repeat them again, very quickly.

David Seaman's books, Healing for Damaged Emotions, give up your childish ambitions. If you want them, they'll order them. They had some, they're all sold out. Dr. Martin Lloyd-Jones, Spiritual Depression, Its Cause and Cure, or his two volumes, Sermon on the Mount.

Michael Griffith's Take My Life. Roy Hessian's Forgotten Factors, Dealing with Sexual Problems. Calvary Road, We Would See Jesus. A .W. Tozer, Anything He's Written. L .E. Maxwell, Born Crucified. Completely out of stock.

What an embarrassment. It's unbelievable. But that's the way it is. The human factor, right? So you get into the bookshop there, the first thing they open Monday morning. Now I want you to take a note of this.

The first 25 people go to the bookshop on Monday, and order or buy books. I want their names and their addresses, and I'm going to send you a miracle packet of 20 of the greatest books. Not the best books.

You have to buy them there. These will be books, some of them you've never seen before. Way out stuff. A miracle packet, 20, the first people to get to the bookshop and buy any book Monday morning. Now I don't know what the bookshop staff is going to do to me over that.

I don't particularly care, but I want you to get some of those books that I have just talked about, and I want you to be more familiar with some of the other great books. I think of Charles Swindoll's writing.

I saw a lot of those in there. That book, Four Seasons, it would be a classic someday. So praise the Lord for this great literature ministry you had. I bought hundreds of books. They're already packaging them up, sending them to England.

And I'm just excited about that ministry. But I want to talk about miracles, and I want to just start with Caleb and Joshua. Some of you have heard my Caleb and Joshua message. I got several of them, but I'm not going to give that one now.

So don't start going to sleep. I know right after lunch is sleepy hour in it. How many are feeling a little sleepy, just a little sleepy? OK, hold your hand up. People behind those people, give them a little tap.

A little tap. They'll knock it now. Numbers, chapter 13, verse 30, and then chapter 14. This is pre-miracle moments in Numbers. The spies come back from the promised land. Most of them are negative, right?

There's giants. Look at verse 28. Nevertheless, the people aren't strong. They're dwelling in the land. Man, this old missionary guy, in the skit last night, all the problems, you know, cross-cultural, triple-cultural, quadruple-linguistic, quadruple-tringle religious problems.

There are. This is a very good skit. And we'd like to recruit, not the young ones, we'd like the old ones for OM. And it's so easy when we see the missionary task, we think about the giants. A lot of you are not willing for the mission field because you don't think you can learn a language.

How many of you feel fairly sure that you can't learn a language? Just put your hand up a little bit. Non-language types. Look at them all over the place. Others are too tired to get their hand up. We see the giants.

These spies saw the giants and so unbelief gripped their soul. And I will tell you, Satan is going to counterattack what has been done here in these three days with fiery darts of unbelief. At me. Because I've shared with you, my life is, Christian life is an ongoing struggle.

But I know the road and I'm not going to go down. I hope you know it. There are certain books, philosophy and psychology, I've studied that to a degree. I'm not going to read them. The devil is not going to come up to me and say, I challenge you to read this book.

Sixty-six consistencies in the Old Testament. I'm not going to read that. I've been through that stuff. I've been down that road. I haven't got time now. God showed me what my ministry is. I'm not going to read sixty-six inconsistencies in the Old Testament.

Because if I read that, then I have to go and read all the other books that disprove these books that are written about these things. I don't have time for that. I've been through that. And so, I'm going to avoid that.

There are certain books that are very negative to me. There are certain films that might come on the TV. I won't watch it. I've got enough struggles. They had a film on TV in England recently about the atomic bomb or hydrogen bombs being dropped on Sheffield.

It was similar to that The Next Day film that was put out in the States. I never saw that, but I heard about it. Shockwaves went across the United States when that film was shown on TV. This was a similar, but they say, more well done, more realistic.

And I just watched a little of it. And I said, Lord, this isn't edifying me. I already know this problem. I've read about it. I've been through it. Atomic Holocaust problem. All of that. And I just, I just turned it off.

Left. It was my daughter's room. I left her room. Don't dwell too much, young people, on the negative, the problems, the difficulties. You get yourself into a nervous breakdown. One of my favorite verses, Philippians.

Think on that which is pure and good and lovely. What is it? Philippians 4, 8. I love that verse because I have a very deep, severe, cynical, and negative streak. You've seen it twitch out in my message just every once in a while.

And God has been helping to be more positive. So easy to see negative things in people. So unbelievably easy. So easy to see negative things in the church. You don't need any education for that. Anybody can tear down.

I could tear this place down in one night. Give me a couple of your football players, hockey players, a little bit of benzene or gas, finished. Nothing. Don't ask me to build anything like this. That takes an architect.

And I want to tell some of you older folk, they're a little bit critical of young people. Anybody can tear down young people. You don't need any intelligence for that. You're not proving any spiritual maturity.

Tearing down the young people, always criticizing, always got something negative to say about this generation. Probably nobody here like that this afternoon. This is just for those listening to the tapes.

But I want to tell you, I want to see the older people who can edify young people. I want to see the older people who can encourage young people who are discouraged and fed up and want to get out of the whole crazy thing.

That's the kind of older people we need today. And I'll tell you, many of the godly men I met at Moody, many of the godly people I met around the world, older people, they're that kind of people. They may have their strong convictions.

They may, you know, speak straight. And young people shake when they speak. But on a personal basis, they've got an arm of love reaching out. Open your heart. Open your home. Don't worry if a little mud gets on your carpet.

And God will use that in a mighty way. Easy to see the problems. So they saw the Amalekites, the Negev, in the Negev, the Hittites, the Jebusites, the Amorites, the hyper-fighting fundies, they're all there Operation Impossible.

Caleb's Faith in the Face of Giants

What did Caleb do? Now the first thing this man did, that's a difficult job for any leader, is to get everybody to shut up. I mean, be quiet. It's a difficult task. Notice verse 30. Caleb stilled the people before Moses.

And then what did he say? Let us go up at once and possess it for we are well able to overcome it. Now Caleb's a bit like the Americans. And you know it's great if you Americans and Canadians can learn to live together in harmony and love.

We are very different countries. One of the mistakes we make is not realizing the tremendous differences there are between Americans and Canadians. And Canadians need more patience because Americans, by the very nature of their country, are less conscious of Canada than Canada is forced to be of the States.

That's just simple understanding. And so Americans are naive about what I call the border factor. Some of them, until I was 16, didn't even know there was a border up here. And God can enable Canadians and Americans to work together and love one another.

Now Americans, to me, are a little bit like Caleb. I don't like to generalize, but sometimes you have to do to get a point across. Because there are all kinds of Americans. Some of the Americans in our work are the shyest people we've got.

And some of the Canadians that we had are some of the noisiest people that we had. I'll tell you, when Bert Kempis joined Prairie, you picked up another 10 ,000 supporters. They're praying for you. And I tell you, it has been a great privilege for me to work with Bert Kempis these 18 years.

We haven't always agreed, but he's a man that I've been able to always negotiate with. He might come forward with a big punch, and you just back off and tell him to go jog and then talk to him later. And you'll find that he's a man of love and a man of compassion.

So Bert is a different kind of a Canadian. But that's what happens when you get this, what I call the Dutch factor, the deadly Dutch factor. It's all over Canada. It's like the rivers up here, except it never freezes.

The deadly Dutch factor. But Caleb was a bit like the Americans in that he was seemingly from this expression a little bit, you know, Let's go! That type. Let's go up and... You know, what are you guys talking about?

We don't need any more committees. Let's go! Let's go up. We are... Well, I shouldn't have said we. I mean, that's saying we are going to do something. I mean, in Keswick, we learned not to use this word I or we.

Joshua's Faith and the Unity of Faith

Now look at Joshua. Go to the next page. If you got a Schofield Bible, go to the next page. 126. Talk about getting in a rut. I got in this Bible when I was 18. I've been there ever since. Numbers 14, verse 8.

We come across another man. Remember, these are the only two men that ever got into the Promised Land. So it's an important bit of history. Talk about a minority movement. Joshua is a little more like the Canadian, the English-Canadian factor.

Notice his vocabulary. If the Lord delight in us, then He will bring us into this land. Sounds like Keswick. If you know anything about the Keswick movement, deeper life movement. And give it to us, a land which floweth with milk and honey.

To me, that sounds more spiritual, doesn't it? Now you put an Englishman next to an American, every time the Englishman will sound more spiritual. He might be as carnal as a back-slidden grasshopper, but next to an American, he will sound spiritual.

And in America, we love the states. We love these British accents. Stephen Alford, he just comes through, we'll bow down. Al Ripeth, you know. Some of these men with their lovely accents. But here's the point.

Both Caleb and both Joshua, they were both right. They were both men of faith. They were both men who believed in miracles. And they were both there when they got in the promised land. And they were both there when Jericho fell.

And to me, one of the most exciting miracles in the Bible is the fall of Jericho. God is a God of miracles. If you go into the New Testament, you come to the Gospel of John, the book that God used to bring me to the Lord Jesus Christ, you will find miracle after miracle.

We don't have time, but I think of that rather interesting miracle. Isn't it recorded as the first miracle? What was it? John's students changing the water to wine. And right through, miracle after miracle.

And right into the book of Acts, still miracles. I think today, some of us, I'll put myself in that camp. We have overreacted to the abuse of miracles. And so we're over here and it's sad. Some are even saying miracles are not at all for our day.

Now, I'm sure you don't teach that here. But you probably teach what I teach, sort of a balanced, modified version. The main thing God is doing today isn't just blowing the law of gravity at every twitch.

Spiritual Gifts, the Holy Spirit, and Biblical Balance

I have studied this for 30 years. It's something that concerned me because, listen, as a young student at college, before I even got to Bible college, I wanted everything God had. Everything, I tell you.

I would fast two, three days to get anything I thought was new. I read Torrey's book. Torrey, he was a moody man. He wrote on the baptism of the Holy Spirit. Moody Press later banned it. I got a hold of Torrey's book, The Baptism of the Holy Spirit.

I said, well, if there's a baptism of the Holy Spirit, you know, I want it. Whatever there is, I want it. I got down to the floor. I was a student at college. I was working in the local jail witnessing.

And Torrey, of course, his baptism of the Holy Spirit teaching, highly controversial at Moody, was for power in witnessing. It was for holiness. It predated 1904 thinking, Azusa Street, and the birth of the Pentecostal movement.

It goes back to Salvation Army. It goes back to Wesley. And I got down on the floor, and I said, Lord, I don't understand what this is, but boy, if there's anything more I haven't got, I want it now. I don't know if anything ever happened then or now.

Forgive my lack of clear thinking. You know, it's a long time ago. But I'll tell you, the next day when I went into that jail, I had more power. And I'll tell you something else. Everybody in the jail got saved, except the jailer.

It was only about 12 people, but it was a mini-revival in the jail. Now, I don't claim that as some great second blessing in my life, because after that I had so many other infillings and blessings and breakings, and I shared about what happened to me when O .J. Smith came to Chicago.

But I've learned not to despise people's spiritual experiences, simply because I may not agree with the terminology. But I say to young people as they come on OM, and we attract a wide range of interesting people, I say, look, in OM, we don't want you to push this particular vocabulary, because that's not really where most of us are thinking.

But we want to see that in your life. We want to see the fruit of the Spirit. We want to see the reality of the Holy Spirit in your life. But at the same time, we don't want to belittle their spiritual experience.

And I don't want to belittle any spiritual experience you've had, but I want to see it mature. And I want to see it as biblical as possible. And I want to see you going on. And I feel there's a danger today of overreacting against the abuse of the miraculous.

I want your bookshop to get a book called God Wants You Rich and Other Enticing Doctrines. That book is one of the greatest arrows into extremism in America today. Extremism, for example, like the emphasis today on slaying in the Spirit.

Some of you may not know what's going on. Perhaps if you're so busy winning souls and praying people out to the ends of the earth, it doesn't matter so much that you don't know what's going on. But in some cases, it's helpful.

But there's an increasing emphasis on hyper-emotionalism and in Canada. And I've seen a lot. And I tell you, listen, it scares me. Now, this lady who writes this book is not hyper-anti. She comes out of that background.

See? And that's why people who are into some of those things, they accept that book. You will like everything in it. But that book is six years of research by a woman who was in it. And she points out some of the weird things going on in the prosperity movement.

You know that God wants to prosper everybody financially as a doctrine. We know God prospers some. God just prospered me this morning. Somebody put $100 in my pocket. I mean, even Canadian we say praise Jesus.

And that's not a theology. That's not a theology. That's just God working in a particular way. That book is the best thing written against prosperity there is. That book deals with extremism and people manipulation.

Listen, there's a lot of people manipulation going on today. There's a lot of people manipulating also to get money. I tell you, when you talked about an offering this morning, you know, it scared me right out of my shoes because I did not have that in mind.

And if any of you know me, you know that George Verwer, Al Mueller, George Mueller. And I said, and it was hard and humbling for me to even share that we have this need because I've not done this in 25 years.

This is a new thing God is doing in me. And it's humbling for a character like me because I tell you, into my conservative view about finance came subtle forms of pride. And in OM at times, we thought we were the ones that really had God's way.

And people would say, Oh boy, OM is such a tremendous movement of faith. You're not like all these other people grabbing for the buck. Oh boy. And God had to humble the whole of OM, I'll tell you. Because we couldn't pay our bills.

And then we started to come in two. Have you ever seen a movement about as big as OM start to come in two? I tell you, I wouldn't want to be around at the time. It started coming to us. People started to backbite.

People started to gossip. People started to criticize because when there's a lack of money, pressure comes on. The wives don't get their weekly allowance because we live a little bit like prairie. We ran out of money.

And so judgmentalism came in. And this came in. Some were fasting and praying. Others were throwing rocks. Others wanted to take up jobs. I tell you, hallelujah for the message of spiritual balance because that's what God brought.

That's what God used to bring OM through. That crisis. And He showed us that it's not fair to God's people to never tell Him. Even our own prayer partners, even our own parents didn't know what was going on in OM.

They thought everything was fine. So it was not easy for me to tell you this morning the truth about OM. That we are in trouble and those teams aren't going anywhere. And then, of course, you surprise me with this offering.

But the way you did it is not manipulative. Of course, someone can say, you know, there's always pressure. I mean, in the Christian life, there's always pressure with millions dying around us without Christ.

That's the pressure. Not somebody giving us an opportunity for a free will offering. And I hope you don't take any money committed to some other mission movement or part of your tithe committed to God's work and give it to OM, please.

I've always said, and probably in other extremism, I've often prayed, God, if there's anything you've got left after giving everybody else what they need, and we've given a lot of money away to other movements, we said, Lord, if there's anything left when you've given away, you know, given everybody what they need, then, you know, here we are in OM right now.

We could use a little bit. Do you know what it is to refuel a 6 ,000 ton liner? Don't think about it. Don't think about it. God provides. God is a God of the miraculous. Let's not overreact to extremism.

Let's worship the God of miracles. Let's realize God can do a lot through your Bible study. God can do a lot through your training. God could mature some of you through short-term training on OM. We believe in training.

We believe in the long haul. We believe in what Lloyd-Jones has said. We believe also some of you need a miracle right now. Now, I believe when some of you stood up last night in brokenness and confession before God and the Holy Spirit does something greater in your life, lifts a burden, lifts a trial, gives you assurance of faith, that is a miracle.

That is just as great, just as wonderful as someone coming up here who maybe is lame, and we pray, and somehow they're healed. Just as great. We are infatuated too much with the spectacular in the body of Christ.

We are infatuated too much with the visible. And I tell you, a lot of this stuff, when it's researched, like these growing leg stories, it doesn't come out when it's researched. And people are left depressed.

Let me tell you just one story. I could give you a hundred. We had a young man working with us in Turkey in the early days. And the man who led him to Christ was very much heavy into extremist things about healing.

And he had all the total answers. Beware of the dead end street of total answers. Total answer for everything. You know, God is a good God. He always wants only good things for you. Ooh, that sounds so nice.

I won't tell you who said it. This fellow went back to England from Turkey and the man who had led him to Christ had become more and more extreme and got tangled up with some healer. And he was beginning to get doubts because things were so funny.

And that man, that healer, offered for $50 sections of his healing tent. It's actually been done quite a lot in the States. And if you send in a certain gift, you would get a section of his old healing tent.

And if you put this section on any wound or a headache or any part, then you'd pray and you'd be healed. And they can find a verse, take a quantum leap from that one verse and do this. Let me tell you, when this happened, British people, they're just a little bit skeptical of some of these things.

And that was the last straw. That was the last straw. When that guy saw this healer selling these chunks of his tent for $50 or whatever, you know what he decided? He said, Christianity is a load of garbage.

And he became an agnostic. And when my friend found out that his spiritual father became an agnostic, my spiritual friend flipped out. And he overthrew the faith. He lives in Canada today. That was an unbeliever.

I try to see him when I get to Toronto. I heard his wife now follows Jesus. We don't give up on people in O .M., I'll tell you. We follow them and pray them back. Brothers and sisters, extremism has caused more grief in the United States and Canada in the past years than we'll ever know.