Right Motive Praying — Lou Sutera

Prayer Changes Things and the Call to Pray

Prayer changes things. Turn to James chapter 4 James chapter 4 and look at these words. Prayer changes things. Does it? Prayer changes things. James chapter 4 and verse 2 the last statement of verse 2 and the verse 3.

James 4 verse 2 and verse 3. In the last statement of verse 2 says James chapter 4. I know your problem. You need a page. It's page 301. Got it? In my Bible. Alright. James chapter 4 verse 2 the last statement says ye, yet you have not because you ask not.

Okay? And then this next verse says but you ask. We've got people here Lord that ask. We've got them here tonight. And receive not. Huh? We've got people like that. Why? Because you ask amiss. You know what amiss is?

I played basketball. I know what amiss is. Right? Didn't get in the hoop. That's amiss. You ask and receive not because you ask amiss. Why? That you may consume it upon your lust. Very interesting indeed.

But the first part of it. You have not because you ask not. Isaiah 30 verse 19. Listen. It says, He will surely. Talking about God. He will surely be gracious to you. Talking about the grace of God. He will surely be gracious to you.

Listen. At the sound of your cry. He's waiting for you to cry. And he'll be gracious. And when he hears it. Your cry. He will answer you. You know that's in your Bible. What a verse. Isaiah 30 verse 19.

Interesting. F .B. Meyer, one of the great preachers of the New Testament, they say, the great tragedy of life is not unanswered prayer. The great tragedy of life is not unanswered prayer. The great tragedy of life is unoffered prayer.

Unoffered. You have not because you ask not. Now I like children. I like the way they talk to God. I like what they, how they think about God. And so I heard about a child who wrote his prayer on a wall.

Excuse me, on a piece of paper. He wrote his prayer on a piece of paper and he stuck it to the wall. And he prayed, Lord, there it is. Read it for yourself. And answer it. Amen. Maybe we need our walls all stuck with prayer requests.

I say, Lord, there it is. Answer it. Asking. You have not. Another child said, Dear God, please send me a pony. You never know what a child prayed for. Please send me a pony. And he went on and said, I never asked for anything before.

You can look it up, God. And I thought to myself, maybe God can look up on us. We haven't asked for very much. You have not because you ask not. But I like about little Johnny. He needed a hundred dollars to buy a new bike.

So, he prayed for two weeks that God would give him a hundred dollars to buy a new bike and nothing happened. So, then he decided, I better write a letter to God about this. So, he sent God a letter. And he wrote a letter to God and he asked God for a hundred dollars to buy a new bike.

When the postmaster got that letter, he didn't know who to send it to. So, he decided he better send it... The letter was simply addressed, God USA. How do you like that? So, the postmaster thought, I better send it to the president.

Well, the president got it and he was so amused and so touched by it. And so, he instructed his secretary to send the young fella five dollars. Five dollars. So, the young fella gets five dollars from God.

Right? Send it to God. He was delighted to get five dollars, so he sent God a thank you note. And then this is what he read in his thank you note. Dear God, thank you for sending the money. However, he said, I noticed that for some reason you had to send it through Washington DC.

And he said, as usual, those crooks deducted ninety-five dollars. Aren't you thankful I didn't say Ottawa? Those children, leave it up to them, huh? Well, when I read this, Philip Brooks said, if man is man, and are you men here tonight?

We talked about men. If man is man, here we are, man is man. And if God is God, hmm, you know what our problem of our day is, men and women? We have done something to God. He's no longer the God of the Bible in our minds.

The tragedy is we have humanized him and brought him down to such a low level that it can hardly say God is God. But I hope God has a group of people here tonight who say we want the God who is God. And Philip Brooks said, if man is man, and we are, and if God is God, and we say amen to that, then he went on to say, that not only is it awful not to pray, it is foolish not to pray.

You have not because you ask not. Oh, my brothers and sisters, that will become a praying people. But I say here tonight, Lord, I've got people on a Tuesday night have come to Heritage Alliance Church because I've got the askers, Lord.

The askers are here tonight, God. So he goes on to say in verse 3, you ask. I've got the askers here, Lord. But also it says you ask and receive not. And we're here, Lord. A lot of asking, but we're not getting.

We're here, Lord. How come, Lord? Because you ask of this, you're missing the mark. You ask to consume it on your lust. What is this all about? I give a quote by Dr. James Kennedy from Fort Lauderdale, Florida.

Selfish Motives in Prayer

Tremendous man of God who passed on to be with the Lord a few years ago. Listen to what he said. What a statement. He said, the selfishness of our day, don't we live in a day of selfishness? The selfishness of our day has mingled itself with the incense of our prayers.

Our self-centeredness of this society and our day comes right into the center of our prayers. It is to be feared, he said, that our selfishness prays more than our gratitude and praise. He said, for even spiritual blessing we can ask for, we may even ask and even receive it not if we only ask it that we may consume it upon ourselves.

Tremendous. You know, every one of us as Christians, we can say we know if we know ourselves at best. Sometimes in our most holy moments, we discover the fact that that spirit of selfishness and self-seeking enters right into the center of our praying without us even being aware of it.

It sleeps right in, in those most holy moments. So I suggest to you men and women, we can be praying, I'm saying today, that we can be praying for even good things with a wrong motive. And God says, I'd like to answer your prayers, but you're not praying for the right reason.

And we may be praying, why? For our benefit. We may be praying for our own glory. We can be praying for our own comfort, for maybe our own ease. We can be praying for our own popularity. We can be praying for our own pleasure.

I have just named a few. Why don't you add another ten reasons why we could be praying out of selfishness for God. Oh, that God would speak to us about. Oswald Chambers says like this, if my only motivation in prayer, we're talking about right mode of praying, if my only motivation in prayer is to get my needs met.

Got it? He said, I will soon find myself in a hut with God. I'll be angry with God. That's my motivation in prayer. One man in one of our crusades got up when God spoke to him and he gave a testimony.

And he said like this, he said, I have been turning over an order blank to God, and things didn't come out my way, so I got bitter. You probably know some people who have gotten bitter against God because they prayed for something and it didn't come out their way.

Or maybe you are identified with this right now. Prayer of men and women, I suggest, must be a holy exercise, untainted by vanity and pride. Leonard Ravenhill, that man of revival, he said, much of our praying today is so discolored with ambition, either for ourselves, for our denomination, for our church.

He said, listen, God alone must be our goal in prayer. What is this all about? J. Hudson Taylor said like this, do we sufficiently cultivate the unselfish desire to do everything for God's pleasure? Or are we conscious that we principally go to God for our own sakes, or at best for the sake of our fellow creature?

That's why we go to God. He said, how much of our prayers is there that begins and ends with the creature? It starts here and it ends right here. Forgetful of the privilege of giving joy to the Creator.

Men and women, could we understand this? Wrong motive praying, what is it all about? What could some of our selfish motives in prayer be all about? I could say it could be, I just said a simple general term, it could be a prayer for material things.

Selfish prayer for material things. So we can continue to enjoy the nice high level of living with our four and five automobiles and our ten and fifteen television sets. We want things to go well, to enjoy that.

Do you know that's what it really means when it says you receive not because you want to consume it on your lust? It really means, in another translation, it means you want to spend it on your pleasures.

So even that context is even in that thought. Could it be that? What could another selfish reason be? Could it be, now listen to me, you're going to wonder where I'm going with this one. What could be a selfish motive praying that, I'm praying that my whole family may come to Christ?

Hmm, that woke up the sleepers. That a selfish motive in prayer? What's that all about? You know that could be a selfish motive? Why do you want them to come to Christ? You know what Charles G. Finney said about it?

He said, a true saint of God can even desire the work of the conversion of a soul or souls for purely selfish motives. Wow! Good job! That's a good cause, isn't it? Purely selfish motive. Well, let me go on further.

Praying for Others for God's Glory

Why do you want them saved? Why are you praying for their salvation? You know it could even be the embarrassment of some parents, Christian parents, whose children are not living for God and the embarrassment of that to being around the brothers and sisters in the body of Christ because my children are away from God and where did I fail them and what do people think of me?

You know it could be. I'm just putting it out. Oh, you say, oh no, no, no. Could be. Oh, no, no, no, you say, no. The reason why I pray for them to be converted because if they could convert, if they get converted, it would be so much better for all of us as a family if they were converted.

We'd all be on the same wavelength and we could have fellowship together, we'd enjoy one another, it'd be wonderful. Is that why you want them converted? I tell you if they do get converted, you're right, that would happen.

But is that why you want them converted? Oh, no, no, no, no. No, no. We want them converted. Look at how much better it would be for them if they get converted. Look what they go through because they don't have Jesus in their life.

Look what they're missing. I want them converted for their sake. Is that why you want them converted? It would be so much better for them. Is that why you want them converted? Charles G. Finney made a profound statement and this is something, folks.

He made this statement in the in the work called Legal Religion, True Saints. And this is what he says. Too many of us pray for sinners. That's what we're talking about. We're praying for sinners, right?

Too many of us pray for sinners not because we have a sense of the evil of sin which the sinners are committing as much as we have a sense of the terror of the hell to which the sinner is going. And he says it is not because sinners dishonor God that we want them converted, but because they are in danger we want them converted.

Our great object in praying is to secure their safety. If there was no danger, we would perhaps have no motive to pray either for them or even for ourselves. Wow! What a statement! Can we understand this tonight?

This is... I'm laying the premise. You know, I trust God by His Holy Spirit. Let us grab it. It will be a revolutionary night in our our praying, folks. What could be another motive in our false motive in our praying?

To enlarge our church. We're praying, O God, to fill our church, to enlarge our church and to enlarge our youth group. Now I hope praying enlarges it, but is that the motive that we're praying? To enlarge our denomination.

You know what? When we were in Rives Junction Mission, I was telling you about the revival where people had to... last night about people had to come an hour and a half early to get a seat, you know. The interlude between two cornfields in a town of 250 people.

There, Rives Junction, Michigan, little town. The first chapter of the book, Flames of Freedom, by the way, that you get about the revival that Erwin Lutzer wrote, the book about Flames of Freedom. The first chapter talks about it.

That chapter. The church that Revival built is the name of that chapter, the first chapter of the book. And it talks about it. But in that situation, God was working in such a way that we didn't even take a Saturday night off.

And by Friday night, we had a Christian radio station telling the whole community what God was doing, as Christians called in the testimony. I told about that last night. But in the light of that, people were coming in and driving hundreds of miles even to be where God was at work.

And in the light of that, I sense, we came to Friday night, I sense compelled of the Lord to invite the people on Saturday night. When we come Saturday night, after the meeting is over, we're going to have a prayer meeting because pastors have been hearing about what God's doing because of the radio, and they're going to be in their church on Sunday morning, and people who have been touched by God are going to go to their church and give testimony.

And let's have a prayer meeting Saturday night after the meeting, and let's pray that the Spirit of God just move out all those churches in Sunday morning church service. God would give the pastors wisdom, and so forth, like we prayed for pastors tonight.

And let's stay. Plan on staying, folks. Well, after the meeting was over, a whole host of people stayed. A place as wide as this, and this whole area was filled with people on their knees praying for God to continue to work and bless the churches all over the countryside that were hearing what God was doing.

Got it? And wow, they were praying fervently. And one man was praying over here, and he was praying, Oh God, send revival. Oh God, would you please send revival, he prayed, to all the Baptist churches in America.

And you know what? I stopped him right in the middle of his prayer. I said, My dear brother, is that all you want? You know, men and women, without realizing it, even that kind of spirit can settle in even our prayers.

The Right Motive: God's Glory

So, we can talk about wrong motives, but let's get quickly to the right motive. What is the right motive in praying? Praying for revival, praying, our praying that's going to go through to God. What's the right motive?

What is it? I suggest to you, everything about our praying relates to the glory of God. Everything in the right motive relates to the honor of God, and the name of God. In the Old Testament, everything spoke about the glory of God.

Moses, when he was dealing with Pharaoh to get the children of Israel with those ten plagues that were on the children of Israel. You know what? In ten plagues, if you study them, I can't take time to dig in.

Sometime when you read it, you will find in those ten plagues, you'll find at least fourteen times, Moses is saying to Pharaoh, I want you to do this, and basically, for the honor of God, and the name of God was at stake.

Tremendous! That was the driving force of Moses, in his context with Pharaoh. What was Joseph's dreams all about? Joseph answered Pharaoh. It is not of me when they said, we've got a guy who will interpret your dreams, Pharaoh.

And Joseph said, when they said, Joseph's the man, Joseph said to Pharaoh, Joseph said, it's not in me. God shall give Pharaoh an answer of peace. You see, who's getting the glory? The honor of God. In the book of Joshua, you read verses 22 to 24, chapter 4, 22 to 24.

Tremendous! Again, everything about it, the honor of God. So we come to David. Well, I'm just quickly moving quickly, just so we can grab it. Here's just a little run in the scripture to give you the background.

You come to David. You know the problem. He had a problem with the giant, David and the giant, with the slingshot and the five stones. You know the story. You know what, men and women, the problem is, we take all the time emphasizing that God gave David the victory over the giant with the five stones and slingshot and all the rest of it.

Yeah? You know what you need to do? Instead of reading those last few verses that talk about him taking the giant down, you need to back up from verse 26 to verse 47. Verse 26, you get a little bit of the heart of this young man that took that giant down.

And you know what you find? From verse 26 to 47, I wish I could read it to you, it would thrill you, you will find six times in the verses that David is speaking about the honor of God and the name of God, what this is all about.

Tremendous! No wonder we come to 2 Samuel 7 and that same David, a little older in life, he can pray to God like this. And now, O Lord God, he prays, the word that you have spoken concerning your servant David and concerning the house of David, his house, establish it forever, O God, and do as you have said, and let thy name be magnified forever.

Not the name of David, saying, the Lord of hosts is the God of Israel. So, no wonder we can come to the psalmist David in Psalm 23. Oh, we memorize that verse from Grasshopper High and Sunday School, remember?

And we read those verses so quickly and we don't even realize what we read. Psalm 23, verse 3, we pray, leadeth me in the paths of righteousness. Why, David, do you want to go in the paths of righteousness?

For thy name's sake. Hmm, the honor of God. And we come to Psalm 71, verse 8, the same David. He said, let my mouth be filled with thy praise and with thy honor all the day long. Hmm, isn't that something?

Thy praise and thy honor again. And no wonder we come to Psalm 109, verse 23, 21, he says, but thou, but do thou for me, O God, the Lord, for thy name's sake. Do for me, for thy name's sake. He's obsessed with this, isn't he?

And we come to Psalm 109, verse 26, he says, O save me, that they may know that this is thy hand, that thou, Lord, hast done it. I'm just giving you a young man obsessed with the honor and the glory of God.

No wonder we can move into Psalm 119. 119? Oh, the Psalm that you don't read when you have a Sunday School contest for Bible reading? Yeah. Oh, but what a Psalm it is. Listen to what he says. In verse 53, he says, Horror has taken hold of me.

Why? Because of the wicked. That's a burdened heart for the wicked. Why, David? Why are you concerned about the wicked? Horror has taken hold of me because of the wicked are on the way to hell. Nope. Are the wicked on the way to hell?

Yes, but that's not why. Horror has taken hold of David. Listen, horror has taken hold of me because of the wicked, here, that forsake thy law. What was the burden of his heart? God, your name and your honor is at stake.

Verse 126, It is time for thee, Lord, to work. Sound like crying for a revival, isn't it? Why? Time for thee, Lord, to work because they're on their way to hell? No, they've made void thy law. Again, the honor and the glory of God is at stake.

Verse 136, Rivers of water run down mine eyes. Wow, what a burdened heart. Why, David? Because they're all going to hell around you. No, because they keep not thy law. Again, the motivation, God's honor at stake.

Verse 139, My zeal hath consumed me. I'm talking about a burdened heart man. That's what needs to happen in this community. Our hearts need to become that. What's going to get our hearts there? My zeal hath consumed me.

Why? Because mine enemies are on their way to hell. No, they've forgotten thy words. Lord, your name, your honor, your word is at stake. That's the burden of my heart. No wonder we come to 150. And he says, they draw nigh that follow after mischief.

What's the problem with them? They're going to hell. No, they are far from thy law. How many times do you want it? The obsession of a young man. The honor and the glory of God, everything about him. So then we can come to prophet Elijah.

He's on Mount Carmel. And you know, he's challenging the prophets of Baal to see who can pray down fire from heaven, right? So I can see Elijah. When Baal's prophets didn't make it, we can see Elijah, right?

You know what he says? He says, I want to pray. Oh, I want to show these people what kind of a prayer I am. Lord, make it as hard as you can. We're going to put water on that thing. God, we're going to make it as hard as you can because I want to show them what kind of prayer I am.

Huh? Now, when he comes to pray in that situation, here's why the prophet Elijah prayed. Here's why he's doing it. Let it be known this day that I am thy servant. And I have done all of this according to thy word.

Hmm. The honor of God at stake. Only concern that people know who the living God was. Nehemiah, he was so desperate in the situation. Fundamentally, two things drove him. The wickedness of the people, he knew that was going to tear them up.

But more than that, the honor of God was the burden of his heart, that he was so passionate about what he had to do in that situation. He was grieved over what their conduct was doing to the honor of God.

Nehemiah loved God so much, so passionately, and God's glory that it was. You know, there's a tremendous verse about you and me in Isaiah. Way back in the Old Testament, God gives a powerful verse about every one of us in this meeting here tonight.

Listen, Isaiah 43, 7 and 21. Everyone that is called by my name. Do you call yourself a Christian? Are you called by God's name? Hmm. Everyone that is called by my name, here we are tonight. For I have created him for my glory.

Hmm. What were you created for? To enjoy life for yourself? To do your own thing? You call yourself a Christian? You're called by God's name? God says, I created you for my glory. This people have I formed for myself.

They shall show forth my praise. What a tremendous verse. What a tremendous verse. You know, Daniel, he agonized in prayer. And Daniel's prayer of agony were all because, well, because they were primarily concerned with the honor of God's name.

Daniel's passion for the glory of God's name led to such deep confession and prayer for great faith. Too many times, men and women, our anguish is simply over our own inconvenience, our own trials. That's the anguish.

However, our ultimate concern should be that of Daniel's, the fame and the honor of God's name should be the deepest desire of our praying. The Praying Church Sourcebook is going to be an article that you're going to get in the packet on the way out tonight.

And here's what the title of it, What Wrong and Right Motives Sound Like. How you can tell when you're praying wrong and right motives. Get that article in the packet tonight. Dr. George Sweeney, former president of Moody Bible Studio said, First of all, our praying needs to aim at the glory of God.

Jesus, Paul, and the Glory of God

Well, you say, that's all Old Testament you've been talking about. Yes. What about the New Testament? Jesus. He spoke 12 verses in the book of John. 12 verses. And one, to give you an example, 14, 3, 13.

And whatsoever he shall ask in my name, that will I do. Pray in my name, he said. I'll do it. Why? That the Father may be glorified in the Son. See? The honor of God at stake. The Apostle Paul. He was on Mars Hill.

And the Bible says he looked out over the city. And it says, the Bible says, his spirit was stirred within him. What stirred Paul's spirit? His spirit was stirred while he looked out over the whole city.

Why? Because it says they were on their way to hell. No. His spirit was stirred within him. Because it says, he saw a whole city given over to idolatry. What's idolatry? The worship of the wrong God. God's honor at stake.

God's honor being abused. And other gods are being worshipped. And that was a stir of Paul. So, we use a verse in Romans 3, 23. When you witness to souls, lost souls, the first thing you want to tell them that they're lost, right?

And what verse do you run to? You use it in the Romans Road, and so many. And what verse do you run to? Here's the verse. Romans 3, 23. And we quote it to the unsaved man. We say, don't you know? For all have sinned and are on their way to hell.

What? Oh, you caught me, didn't you? What? For all have sinned and have what? Come short of what? Oh, now we get it. See? We were made for the glory of God. Man was created for the glory of God. And the sin of the human heart is, God is not receiving the glory for which He created that human being for.

That's the sin. Tremendous indeed, when you think about it. How many verses do you want? In 1 Corinthians 1, 31, says that no flesh should glory in His presence, that according is written, but he that glorieth let him glory in the Lord.

1 Corinthians 6, 19, 21. What? Know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost? And you're bought with a price? Therefore, therefore, glorify God in your body and in your spirit, which are God's.

How many verses do you want? Oh, there it is. He says in 1 Corinthians 10, 31, whether therefore ye eat or drink, do all to the? Oh, you're learning it. He says in Ephesians 3, 20, 21. He says, unto Him be glory.

Where? In the church. How long? Throughout all ages. Brings us down to our age here. World without end. Unto Him be glory. How many verses do you want? On it goes. Do you know many women? The Apostle Peter says the same thing.

He says, you are a chosen generation. You're a royal priesthood. You're a holy nation. A peculiar people. What is the peculiarity about us? Huh? We don't wear the right kind of suits? Or we don't smile?

What's the peculiarity about us? Here it is. A royal nation. A holy nation. A peculiar people. The peculiarity. What's the peculiarity? What is it? That you should show forth, what? The praises of Him.

Who has called you out of darkness into His marvelous light. That's what we were made for. We were made for the glory of God and to show forth His praises. Oh, how many verses do you want? It goes on and on.

The Apostle Peter says it. All so many times. The glory of God. In 2 Peter 2, verse 9, 12. In chapter 4, verses 14 and 16. All about. Everything about it. For the name and the honor and glory of God. One prophet after another.

The Bible is filled with it. God's waiting for us to get filled with it. You know what? When I first started out as a young Christian, as a teenager, my brother and I gave our hearts to the Lord when we were just 8 years of age.

And I started preaching when I was 16 years of age. Started holding revivals between my high school years and go out and find anybody who would let me preach. My brother and I and some folks outside of Charlotte, North Carolina way back in the sticks, some of the dear black folks, where we led streetlights and roads a long time ago.

We were on trails and paths that finally led to the trail, the path that led to the path, that led to the path that finally led to a trail that finally led to finally the church. You know what I mean?

And we started preaching away. And you know back there it said we were challenged and I challenge these young people, we were challenged why don't you ask God to give you a life verse that you could say whenever I sign my name people want me to sign the Bible I put my life verse there.

Have you asked God for a life verse that you want to make your own? And you know I never realized it until the Lord gave me this message and I started putting this together that my very life verse was Matthew 5 .16.

I've been signing it for years and years from way back when I was 20 and 21 years of age. Oh let your light so shine before men that they may glorify see your light and glorify your Father which is in heaven.

My life verse. Oh brothers and sisters I suggest you tonight your value to God and to man is in exact proportion to the extent in which you reveal the glory of God to others. So you're going to have an article in that file tonight when you pick up the material of an article entitled You Were Created for God's Glory.

Read it. Let it get in your system. Every young person eat it up. I believe all this is saying make sure that your purpose in prayer men and women your purpose in prayer for others is simply to show how great and important Christ is.

The Saint of God desires the conversion and regeneration of souls not primarily to save them from hell they will be but for them to become instruments that God will receive the glory for which he made them for.

Conversion and Prayer for Christ's Honor

Oh D .L. Moody says this so clearly this is what he said. He said if you want your sons and daughters converted listen let us pray that it be done for Christ's sake. If that is the motive your prayers surely will be answered.

One man said Lord when are you going to change my wife? How many men want to say excuse me Lord when are you going to change my wife? And then God seemed to say to him when you come to the place where you recognize that the motive for you to pray for her to be changed is because of the blood of Jesus is so worthy of her for the honor and the glory and the worship and the honor of the God of the universe that is why she should be changed the blood of Jesus is so worthy of her.

Now let me go back to Charles Finney here is a powerful statement when I read this statement now men and women I say to myself you know many times I wish I lived when he preached and a hundred twenty five a hundred fifty years ago I wish I could have been there to hear him but then when I read his writings I am not so sure I want to be there.

I say to myself when I give you this quote I say and I hope God grabs us with this I say what kind of a God was around in Finney's day in the minds of the people he is the same God is around today but in the minds of the people what kind of a God was in their mind that he could talk like this.

I don't know that we can talk like this. I will give it to you. I hope you don't carry me out bodily listen to what he said. The true friends of God and man are here tonight right to come out on a Tuesday night.

Are you. We are friends of God and we hope we are friends of man. Yeah the true friends of God and man feel compassion for sinners. That is why we are here. We have a heart of compassion for them. But the true friends of God and man feel much more for the honor of God than even a compassion for the sinners.

They are more distressed to see God abused and God dishonored than even to see sinners go to hell. And if God must be forever dishonored or men go to hell they will decide that sinners should sink to endless torments sooner than God fail of his due honor.

And they manifest their true feelings in their prayers. You hear them praying for sinners as rebels against God as guilty sinners as guilty criminals deserving of eternal wrath. And while they are full of compassion for those sinners they feel also in kindlings of holy indignation against them for their conduct toward or against the honor of their blessed God.

What a view of God is that. That's what I was talking about. If man is man and if God is God then it's not only awful not to pray. It is foolish. You know some of you folks have seen John Hagee on television one of the American preachers on television.