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Produced/Edited By: Marrio Escobar (Owner of D2L Productions) In this podcast episode of "No Compromise Radio," host Mike Abendroth discusses the theological concept of "limited atonement," arguing that Jesus died only for the elect, not for every person ever born. He addresses common counterarguments, particularly interpretations of "world" in John 3:16 and "whole world" in 1 John 2:2, explaining that the term "world" in these contexts refers to humanity as a whole, including Gentiles, rather than every individual. Mike bases his primary argument for limited atonement on the Trinity, asserting that the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit share a single will, and since the Father chooses only some for salvation, the Son's atonement must also be for that chosen group. Produced/Edited By: Marrio Escobar (Owner of D2L Productions) Watch on YouTube: https://youtu.be/Rx5CBZ5ApjM [https://youtu.be/Rx5CBZ5ApjM]
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- I want to talk about Jesus's accomplishment on the cross. What did Jesus actually do?
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- Was it a potential thing He did? An actual thing? The question is really, for whom did
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- Jesus die? That's what I'm after. What did He accomplish? For whom did He accomplish it? Did He die for each and every person ever born?
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- Did He die for the world? Did He die for the elect? Did He die for particular people?
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- Did He die for Paul and Judas? Did He die for Timothy and Goliath?
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- Did He die for David and Saul? For whom did He die?
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- And you basically have three options. Option one is universalism.
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- He died to save all people, no distinction. Everybody's going to go to heaven.
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- He died to save no one in particular. People need to believe on the Lord Jesus, decide for Him, respond.
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- It's kind of more of an open deal, a potential deal. Or did He die for the elect?
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- Did He die for those that the Father had given Him? One writer said, if He did not intend to save all men without exception but only the elect, then the work of Christ on the cross is a glorious success.
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- If on the other hand, it was God's intention to save the entire world, then the atonement of Christ has been a great failure for vast numbers of mankind have not been saved.
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- So most evangelicals, you probably don't as a listener of No Compromise, a viewer of No Compromise, but most evangelicals, they think of John 3, 16, for God so loved the world.
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- He loved the world in this way that He gave His only begotten Son. Sometimes in evangelicalism, the knee jerk is
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- Jesus died for everybody. He died for each and every person who would ever live, including
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- Judas, including Goliath. He died for each person and now they're put in a savable position if they'll respond.
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- Most people believe in what we call unlimited atonement. There's not a limit to the atonement.
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- It's not just the elect that He died for. Sometimes people don't like the word limited atonement because who wants to say that the atonement is any way limited?
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- Because it was such a great thing, right? It was so wonderful that I'm gonna be limited. So some scholars have now called limited atonement, particular atonement, particular redemption.
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- He dies for a particular group of people. And so others have said, do you know what? Instead of dying to make it possible for people to be saved,
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- He died with a definite purpose. And so you'll hear scholars call limited atonement definite atonement.
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- He definitely did something. What did Jesus accomplish on the cross? And people fight about this.
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- I just, if you've been listening to No Compromise Radio, I don't even really talk about it anymore because it's so solid in my mind that this is true limited atonement that I don't really need to talk much about it.
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- And what I'll typically say to help people in the congregation, Jesus died for all those who would believe. They, people who are unlimited atonement, they don't mind that.
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- I could say Jesus died only for the elect, but then I have to educate the people through. So today we're talking about limited atonement, particular redemption, or definite atonement, or definite redemption.
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- Did Jesus die only for the elect? And this gets us into Calvinism, does it not?
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- And TULIP, does it not? And how many points are you? And so people talk about the five points of Calvinism.
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- It's a response to some Arminian's five points. And the first one, as you know, is total depravity.
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- People are depraved in every area. That is, they were wholly, W -H -O -L -L -Y, depraved.
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- They're not as bad as they could be, but totally means mind, will, emotions, body, everything else, the whole package is depraved.
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- Second one, U, so that's the T. U is unconditional election.
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- I was gonna say unlimited atonement. We got the new
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- Calvinism here. Young, restless, and reformed, four pointers. The second one is unconditional election.
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- And since man can't save self, God has to save. And so God, the
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- King, chooses. Matter of fact, there's a chapter in the book that I wrote about how if you get Kings right, you get choice right, right?
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- Ahasuerus says, Esther, I pick you, right? He can pick any queen he wants. See, he picks any person he wants, he's the king.
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- Kings pick, kings choose. L is limited atonement.
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- And that's what we're talking about today. T -U -L -I, irresistible grace or effectual call.
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- When God calls you, Spirit calls you, you're gonna come to faith. And then lastly,
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- P, perseverance of the saints. Saints persevere, preservation by God, however you wanna phrase it.
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- But that middle one, L, is the one that everybody argues about. I mean, some argue about other ones, right?
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- They'll argue about the fourth point or they'll argue about the second point. If you get the first one down, they all fall in line, but this is the one everybody argues about.
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- So when someone says they're a five pointer, they believe all five of those, obviously. When they say there's a four pointer, they're talking about the atonement.
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- They don't believe in limited atonement because Jesus, they say, died for the world. And what they mean by world is each and every person in the world.
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- So we'll talk about that verse. We'll talk about some other verses. But today, I'd like to just give you an overview of why
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- I believe, and you should believe, in limited atonement that Jesus died on the cross for the elect.
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- That's what I'm after today on No Compromise Radio. So the first reason
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- I think you should believe in limited atonement is the Trinity, is the
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- Trinity. Before we go to any kind of verse, I mean, you can go to Trinitarian verses if you want. And of course, you are thinking about, we believe in one
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- God, three persons, co -equal. You can read
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- Chalcedon. You can read a variety of the creeds to think about the triune God. But we believe that God has, this is in eternity past, the eminent
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- Trinity, if you will, that there's one will of God because there's one nature, there's one essence.
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- And so there's one will in the Trinity. We don't have two wills in the Trinity. We can talk about an extra will, a human will for Jesus.
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- But right now, that's not my topic. My topic is the one will of God before Genesis 1 -1 in eternity past.
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- Even eternity past is kind of a weird way to say it. Eternity past, eternity future. No, it's just eternity because there's no past or future in time.
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- So just to make us think Genesis 1 -1 prior to that, one will of God.
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- So if you think about the Trinity, let's just talk of the will of the
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- Father is to have some, not all go to heaven.
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- I think four -pointers would agree with me, would they not? It's the will of the Spirit to have some go to heaven and some not, right?
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- Because you can either have all go to heaven, God could do that, none go to heaven, God could do that, or some.
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- So the Father chooses some, the Spirit takes the same some and regenerates them because there's one will.
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- And what the Father wills, the Spirit wills because we have one will, we have one God, right?
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- Maybe the key number for the Trinity is one, one God. We don't wanna lose that one will of God.
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- So what does the Son do? Are you to say, if you believe in unlimited atonement, that the
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- Father chooses the some, election, the Spirit brings the some to faith, regeneration.
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- And the Father's some and the Spirit's some is outdone by the
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- Son who says, I'll die for everybody? Does that make sense to you? You say, well, it's some philosophical argument.
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- No, no, it's a Trinitarian argument. We're talking about the nature and essence of God and the will of God.
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- There are not two wills. The Son is not going to say, no, I won't die for anybody. When the
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- Father says, here's the elect and here's the Spirit who says that same elect
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- I'm bringing to faith because there's one will, but the Son now has a different will. No, it's a Trinitarian problem.
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- If you think the Son is going to do something different than the Father and the Spirit. What does the pactum salutis mean?
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- The pactum salutis is the pactum of peace or what we call the covenant of redemption. And the covenant of redemption is the intra
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- Trinitarian promise that the Father says to the Son, go rescue the elect, right?
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- That's what that covenant of redemption is. Listen to Titus chapter one, Paul, a servant of God and an apostle of Jesus Christ for the sake of the faith of God's elect and their knowledge of the truth, which accords with godliness in the hope of eternal life.
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- Now listen, which God who never lies. Remember, Paul is writing to Timothy on Lyre Island.
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- Remember the Cretes? Remember the Cretans? That they're liars, evil beasts, lazy gluttons.
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- This testimony is true. Makes me think of Survivor. They had like some kind of island that they had to go to if they got booted off or something.
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- What's it called on Survivor? There's some kind of island that they had to go to. And so now on Lyre Island, there's a
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- God who doesn't lie. And this God who doesn't lie promised before the ages began. Wait, so before time,
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- God made a promise. To whom did God make the promise? Angels? No, no angels then.
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- To whom did God make the promise? Us? There's no us then. There's no Genesis 1, 1 yet unfollowing.
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- God makes a promise. To whom did God make the promise? It's within the Trinity, a promise. This is language so we can understand.
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- Something was happening in the mind of God. This is an eternal counsel. They didn't sit down and say, should we do this or should we do that?
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- Just in the mind of God, there's going to be the bride who's gonna be rescued by Jesus.
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- The father sends the son to do his will. How many times in John does it say, he sent me to do this, he sent me to do this, he sent me to do this.
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- And the spirit attesting to that promise and then involved in the life of Christ and then involved in making those chosen ones that the son died for come to faith, right?
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- To be born again, as John chapter three talks about. This is Trinitarian thought and language that should force you to say what the father did and the spirit did and thought the son had to do the exact same in terms of the counsel and in terms of the decree.
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- If the father only chooses some, and I know you believe in election, the spirit only regenerates the sum, and I know you believe in that because you're not a universalist.
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- Nobody listens to No Compromise Radio, believes that there's no hell and no heaven. I mean, no hell, we all go to heaven.
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- You don't believe that, I'm sure you don't. But some of you are four -point Calvinist and you say, I don't believe in limited atonement because for God so loved the world.
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- Hey, deal with the text, Mike. Okay, we'll get there. But I'm getting you to think about the Trinity because it's important.
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- It's important for you to say the father and the son and the spirit, one
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- God, one nature, one essence, one will.
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- And I propose to you that if you believe in the pactum, if you believe in the covenant of redemption, if you believe in the
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- Trinity, and I'm sure you believe in all those, shouldn't you be then forced to say,
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- I believe in limited atonement because Jesus is only gonna do what the father sent him to do and the father did not send him to die for everyone because only some were chosen, some were elected, the
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- God who never lies. So the first reason I believe in the
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- Trinity, I looked at my notes, it said Trinity. The first reason
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- I believe in limited atonement is the Trinity. I believe in the Trinity because it's revealed in scripture, but I believe in limited atonement because I must think about harmony of wills,
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- I must, of the will rather. See, you know what? One guy said, you start talking about the
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- Trinity within two minutes, you'll say something heretical. And I said, wills.
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- Oh, what I meant was Jesus's human will. Now when Jesus in time, right?
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- This is way past the pactum salutis, but in time, Jesus assumes human nature, right? He takes on flesh.
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- And so now he has divine nature, human nature, divine will, human will.
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- There's another will here involved, but only in the incarnation. And we can talk about that another time.
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- Martin Lloyd Jones said, God's great plan is suggested here. There was a great external counsel held between the father and the son and the spirit.
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- Do you realize that our salvation was planned before the world was planned or created? It is the realization of this fact that makes a man stand on tiptoe and shout out praise to God, chosen before the foundation of the world.
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- The three men, excuse me, the three persons met in conference. I speak in reverence in terms of scripture and planned it.
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- Let us get rid forever of the idea that salvation was an afterthought in the mind of God.
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- It was planned before the foundation of the world. It was the father that commanded the son to die for the elect.
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- And so we at No Compromise Radio believe in what we call limited atonement.
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- For God, for him who, easy for me to say, for he whom God has sent utters the words of God for he gives the spirit without measure.
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- God does not send his son into the world to condemn the world but in order that the world might be saved.
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- And you say, there it is. See that the world might be saved. So what do you think I'm gonna answer to that?
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- If you say, see, you're all this talk about the Trinity, you already gave us any verses and now you don't wanna deal with that.
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- God so loved the world and here for the world to be saved through him. All right, well, let's have a little fun.
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- I don't even need my notes to do this. The word world is cosmos, where we get the word cosmos, where we get the word cosmetics, right?
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- My old pastor taught me that. Cosmos means there's something that's like out of order.
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- And so women put cosmetics on because their face when they wake up is out of order and they have to arrange it.
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- My wife hardly wears any makeup and I'm happy for that. But all that to say, Mario reminds me of those people that say, well, if God meant you to have a tattoo, you would have been born with one.
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- Now there are probably bad reasons to get tattoos, probably bad motives. I don't know, maybe it's bad spending the money.
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- I don't know, but excuse me, I have to leave. I need to get a $6 latte from Starbucks. But anyway, tattoo stuff aside, and let's not use
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- Leviticus to say no to tattoos, but tattoo discussion aside, I usually say to those guys that say, if God wanted you to be born with a tattoo, you would have been.
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- And I'd say, does your wife wear makeup at all when you go out on a date? And that's when they hit unsubscribe.
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- So one of the best things you could do is look up the word world in the Bible and see, is it used exactly the same way?
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- Every single time. You know very well that different words used in different contexts and different grammar structures have different meanings and different nuances.
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- And the word world could be used in the Bible and specifically John's writing. John wrote the gospel of John, 1
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- John, 2 John, 3 John, and the book of Revelation, five books. If you look up cosmos in those five books, you will find sometimes the word world is used for the evil world system.
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- Don't be in this world in terms of buying what they're selling. You can be in the world, but don't be of it.
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- Okay, world. You go, oh, sometimes it can be used of the globe, like the world, earth. You're at the moon and you see the earth.
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- Sometimes it can be used of people who aren't just Jewish people.
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- Jews and Gentiles. He dies for the whole world. He doesn't just die for Jews. He dies for the whole world. Sometimes it can be used for every person on the world, each and every person.
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- So it matters what the context is. For God so loved the world.
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- He did. He loved humanity and sent his son. This has nothing to do with the extent of the atonement.
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- Jesus didn't come to condemn the world, but to save the world. Okay, this has nothing to do with the number of the elect people.
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- Let me continue. Why do I believe in limited atonement?
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- Well, probably one of the things that we could do is go to 1 John 2 .2, because people are gonna say to me, this is the killer verse.
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- You can't get around it. You're trying to get around John 3 .16,
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- but you can't get around 1 John. So I will read 1 John and get around it. 1
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- John chapter two. I don't know if I said three, but I meant two.
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- My little children, 1 John 2 .1, I'm writing these things so that you may not sin.
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- And if anyone sins, we have an advocate with the father, Jesus Christ, the righteous. And he himself is the propitiation for our sins and not for ours only, but also for those of the whole world.
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- See, limited atonement is gone. It has to be unlimited. It says, he is a propitiation, the wrath bearer, assuaging
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- God's wrath, satisfying God's wrath, not just for our sins, but for the whole world.
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- The whole world. Okay, so my friendly conversation back with you, unlimited atonement person.
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- So that means everyone's going to heaven according to you. If everyone's sins have been paid for by Jesus assuaging the wrath of the father, why can't they go to heaven?
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- If there's no sin, can't go to heaven. And you would say to me, I know what you're going to say, because I've been on your side.
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- I remember the day Kim told me I'm a five point Calvinist. I'm like, who did I marry? What's going on?
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- She's gone to the dark side. Next thing you know, she'll be saying dispensationalism is wrong.
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- And people will say, well, okay, but Jesus assuaged God's wrath, but they didn't believe.
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- So if they do believe, they go to heaven. But if they don't believe, then they don't go to heaven.
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- So isn't unbelief a sin? Isn't unbelief a sin that God would pay for? I sure hope so, because I had a lot of unbelieving that I did before I was 29 years old.
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- Jesus pays for everything. It's not left up to you. It's not like he made it possible, potential, and now you decide.
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- No, no, he actually accomplished redemption. He made atonement. And what is happening is if you think about the
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- Jewish mindset, if you think about Jews and Gentile mindset, if you think about, hey, we're not even gonna go through the
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- Samaritan half -breed area because we don't wanna get the dust on our feet from these awful Samaritans and these
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- Gentiles and Gentile people, pigs and dogs and all these other things, avoid that.
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- Here's our God, and he dies for Jews and Jews only. No, God dies for not just Jews, but if you wanna talk about Gentiles, you can say he died for the whole world.
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- He died for people in Sri Lanka. He died for people in Massachusetts. He died for people everywhere.
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- But do you mean to tell me he died for each and every person? If you mean that, you're a universalist.
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- There's no hell. There can't be because Jesus would have no reason to send people to hell if there was no sin.
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- So here's what John is saying. I don't want you to sin. We've got an advocate. Jesus himself paid for all of our sins and not just ours, not just Jews, but Gentiles.
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- And you're like, Mike, you're stretching it. You're bringing theology in. You're bringing biblical theology and the systematic theology in.
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- Yeah, I have to, because I'm thinking about the analogy of scripture. I'm thinking about the analogy of faith.
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- I'm thinking about there is one author, divine author, and he's not going to contradict himself.
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- He's not going to make a mistake. Is Judas in heaven? Well, according to you, dear friend, and I'm not trying to be mean, but Jesus propitiated his sin,
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- Judas' sin and sins. But why is he not in heaven? Well, he didn't believe. No, no, no.
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- Unbelief is a sin too. When Jesus pays for your sins, he pays for all of them, including unbelief.
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- We think that words like world have context and that context is the
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- Bible. The context is Titus 1. The context is the Trinity. The context is much bigger than, well, here's a verse.
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- Here's a verse figured out. No, no, those verses fit in other verses. Those verses are written by one author.
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- Those verses talk about how Jesus dies elsewhere for his bride. Those verses talk about how he dies for his church.
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- Those verses talk about how he died for his people. And so how do I put these verses together?
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- Well, I have to do it in a systematic way that's not going to say, well, they're competing. I believe in limited atonement because I believe what
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- Jesus did on the cross actually affected, actually was effectual, actually was definitive.
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- Then people say, well, there's another verse. Okay, before I look at the other verse in 2 Peter, if you have a problem with the topic in the
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- Bible that you're not understanding, and there's a hundred verses, 97 teach what you think the
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- Bible teaches. Three seem to teach the opposite. Do you look at the many in light of the few or the few in the light of many when you've got a problem theologically?
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- The Bible doesn't have one, but you've got a problem looking at it. You always look at the many in the light of the few.
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- Nope, you look at the few in light of the many. I've got 97 verses that say Jesus is God and the
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- Jehovah's Witness shows up at my door or the Mormon shows up at my door and says, John 14, Jesus is saying the father's greater than I am.
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- Now there's an answer to that because the human nature is lesser than the divine nature of the father.
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- Jesus' human nature is lesser, that's true. The incarnation, you can figure that all out.
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- But even if you couldn't figure it out, okay, I'm not going to believe the three that I can't figure out or don't understand because of the 97.
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- And there lies my point. The verses that say in your mind that Jesus died for each and every person who was ever born, the world, each and every person that would ever live,
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- Judas included, those verses are few. They're the verses that you say,
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- I can't believe in limited atonement because of this verse. No, no, what about all the ones that do talk about limited atonement and Jesus laying his life down for his people, for his sheep?
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- So when I go to 2 Peter and I go, well, here it is. It says false prophets also arose among the people just as there will also be false teachers among you who secretly introduced destructive heresies, even denying the master who bought them.
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- Huh, I guess I can't believe in limited atonement anymore. We have unbelievers, false teachers, and it says that Jesus bought them.
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- Hey, that's a compound word that talks about redemption. Purchased out of the slave pit of sin kind of root word.
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- The master bought them. Huh, what am I going to do? Well, I would say to you, if I can't answer it, there are 97 verses that talk about limited atonement.
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- But that's kind of a cop -out today. All you have to do is study that verse and say one of the real possibilities is that these are false teachers from Israel.
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- And by the way, Israel should know better because God bought them out of slavery in Egypt with his mighty right hand.
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- The language of the Old Testament of rescuing people out of Egypt is bought. Shame on these false teachers.
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- They're Jews, they should know better. They should look back even in their own life and say, our nation was bought by God, purchased by God, redeemed by God.
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- And so I simply say to you, John 3, 16, 1 John 2, 2, 2
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- Peter 2, verse one, they can be answered. Jesus didn't die for those false teachers.
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- Jesus didn't die for Judas. Judas didn't die for Goliath because if he did, they'd all be in heaven.
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- So the main reason I believe in the Trinity is because of the scriptures. But the main reason I believe in limited atonement is the
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- Trinity. My name is Mike Abendroth. This is No Compromise Radio. Don't forget, you can order the new book, King, How the
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- Sovereignty of God Changes Everything. Mario's back there laughing. Hey, we just do what we do, right?
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