Confronting Ethnic Christian Nationalism and Israel: A Candid Discussion

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Christian life. And I am joined by my friend who goes by the name of Happy.

So, you know, he's got to be a cheerful type of guy, if that's what everyone calls him. But Haps Addison, how are you doing, sir?

I'm doing pretty good. Just having a blessed day up here in Idaho. Yeah, that's way better than that communist country you left.

You fled from last time you were on the show. You were in a communist country known as California. Yes, yes.

I have escaped and I brought my family with me and we absolutely love it here.

So so today's episode, I could sum up this way as Haps Addison was right.

I mean, that would sum it up right there, but Haps, this was probably, I'm going to say two years ago.

You and I, you called me up, we were having a conversation and you told me that there were these guys that were going hard against Israel.

And you were telling me that from your background, where you knew the source of this comes from.

And I was like, yeah, I can't see Christian circles dividing over Israel.

And Haps, I'm going to say it here, you know, publicly for all to hear.

I was wrong, Haps, you were you were right. It happens. It happens. So give folks a little bit of your background that I just referenced.

And let's talk about what it is you you started seeing, why you were concerned. And we'll talk about what we see going on today.

All right. Well, again, my name is Haps Addison. And, yeah, I, I was really brought up into the whole white supremacy movement when

I was younger. And up until my 40s, I was a skinhead.

So skinheads aren't racist, they're separatists. It's a big difference. But and I got out of it because of Christ.

Christ called me out of the grave and placed his

Holy Spirit inside of me. And so I've made it a, I don't know, just it's

I want to see people come out of these these movements and come into Christ.

But because that that's only it's only it's not politics.

It's not anything else where you can find peace. There's no peace in the world, but only peace in Christ.

And so that's that's my aim. That's my goal for everybody, you know, both the

Jew or Greek. I don't care, you know, and but no, I about about two years ago.

So I got out of me. I stopped podcasting for about six months, six, eight months, something like that.

And, you know, that school that of mine that you taught at Passing the Torch, they were the only ones

I was really having communications with. And this guy reached out to me.

I'm not going to mention his name or anything, but this guy reached out to me and was was asking me questions.

He heard that I used to be a skinhead and he found some racist stuff being said on X.

Well, I know I'm not on X, you know, and I'd had no desire to be on X. And he he said, well, could you look at a

Google Drive for me? And I was like, sure. He goes, because I'm finding a lot of racist stuff from Christians on there.

I know that's that's a strong word, man. You know, it's a really, really strong word right there.

You know, you can't just because it's just a whole bunch of Nazi stuff. And I like, well, I'll take a look at it.

But, you know, and so I looked at it and I was shocked. I was absolutely shocked.

All the anti -Semitic. It I mean, that was just the tip of the iceberg.

And I reached back out to this investigative reporter guy and I said, hey,

I don't see racism going on right here. What I see is it's a form of what's called separatism.

So I told him I go, racism calls for the extinction, the deletion of an ethnic race.

Separatism just wants the whites to live over here and the blacks to live over here, the Jews to live over there and, you know, stuff like that.

And he goes, well, could you just take a look at it again? He goes, there's something there. And I was like, sure.

I went through it. It was like. I mean, hundreds of hours of stuff, content on there, and then

I saw something and I saw this number after these names and I was like, what?

It says 1183. And I did not understand, I was like, why does that stand out so much?

And I went, I just started like paying attention, really reading the content and listening to these guys,

I'd go to their podcast and find out who they were, who is the Stone Choir, who is this, you know, and the number was 1183.

And I that's when I it just hit me, I go, oh, oh, no. So for a lot of people that don't know, so skinheads, we we adhere to this guy named

David Lane, who wrote the 88 precepts. And in there, every skinhead has to we go by the numbers 1488, get 14 tattooed right here in 88.

So so 14 words of David Lane in 88. Heil Hitler. All right. The 14 words,

I forgot them now, but it's about. Securing the white race, you know, only breeding with your own and stuff like that.

And when he left the movement up in Hayden Lake, Idaho, Hayden Lake, Idaho, they started

Aryan Nations, Aryan Nations kept with the word, I mean, the 14 words of David Lane and then 83

Heil Christ. So the Jews were the the cursed race.

The blacks were cursed, all this. And so they tried to recruit me in the 90s.

They try to recruit a lot of us comrades, us, you know, skinheads down in California.

And so we came up and we didn't want nothing to do with them because we didn't believe in Christ, you know.

And so I'm going to 11 words, little words. So I found out that that was tied to Stephen Wolfe.

And so this picture was going around on the Internet. It was the same same thing. The Hayden Lake, Idaho, Aryan Nations, they're the ones that coined the phrase

Christian nationalism. All right. They're this has nothing to do with Doug Wilson or anything like that.

They're the ones that coined the phrase. All right. I don't I don't know. Hold on. I'm going to I'll push back on that a little because actually who

I think coined the phrase was the liberal media to to attack

Christians saying that they're trying to take over the you know, that Christians were doing an insurrection. And then

I know this came out that they started calling themselves a Christian nationalist back in like the 70s and 80s, 80s and 90s.

Yeah. And so it was a picture of America with a cross in the very center with all these white beams of light coming out of it to all all corners of the

United States. And but anyways, yeah. So I I immediately called that investigative reporter and I said, oh, no, this is separatism.

And I found a code behind each one of their names. And he was blown away.

I said, who are these guys? And they go, well, we we have identified the vast majority of them are

Christian pastors. And I was shocked. I was like, no way.

And he gave me a list of the names and everything. And I so I just started following these guys.

And I'm like, they're not coming out and saying it just yet. But these guys are 100 percent white ethnic

Christians, Christian nationalists, 100 percent. And and I just people

I started getting phone calls from authors and across the country and people that were do documentaries and film and stuff.

And they all had questions and pastors as well, that this this movement was creeping into churches.

And I'm talking not just the reform community. I mean, Anglican, Lutheran, non -denominational.

And it was very, very troubling. And I let them know,

I go, well, this is happening right now. They're going to start getting bolder and bolder and bolder and start revealing more and more.

And they're going to go into this whole Jewish mysticism thing, not mysticism, Jewish cabal, because that's at the like people like Patriot Front or a white

Christian nationalist movement that believe that there's this Jewish cabal and all there's an evil

Jew behind every tree and they're at the root of everything. And and they what they do is they mix they mix

Christianity with this ethnic superiority that is it's demonic and it's not

Christian at all. But let me just emphasize again, this the people like Webb and Stone Choir and stuff like that, they they fall into the ethnic

Christian nationalism. But this has nothing to do with like the

Doug Wilson Christian nationalism. It's I don't even know why they're using that phrase. It's completely ridiculous.

Yeah. And I realized this is going a couple of months ago.

Now, we had someone that called up at the ministry, actually had emailed the ministry first and asked whether he would be able to get some time with me because he he wanted to discuss the issue of racism and he wanted to see how well he had an argument that he wanted to see if it was a good argument.

And essentially, he was saying that it took me a bit to get to what he was actually saying, because he's beating around the bush a while.

But he basically was trying to say that America was founded as a white

Christian nation, not not a Christian nation, but specifically white.

He said that the founders never had any plans for, you know, for Christianity should never be anything but white.

And I mean, it was I will admit one. You know, I mean, I told him over and over again why his arguments were bad.

I pointed out how many logical fallacies he he was making to make his argument. He just kept changing the argument like he just kept sticking with it.

I said, well, you know, you asked whether this argument is good. I've told you several times it's not.

And I've given you the reasons why it's not sure why it's the fallacies. I've shown why it's not valid, not cogent, you know, different things that we talk about in logic.

And he just he wouldn't give up on it. It was funny because at one point, you know, he's he's saying he's read all the founding fathers and and he referred to the founding fathers,

James Adams. And I said, well, I don't know who James Adams is, but I know that, you know,

John Adams would because I've read his stuff would have been completely against the you know, what you're saying.

And he was the guy who wrote the Declaration of Independence that Thomas Jefferson then, you know, had had further worked on.

And he's like, oh, yeah, that's what I mean. The second the president. Yeah. OK, his name is not James. No. OK, that can happen.

Right. People can mix things up. I do it all the time. But I think it was kind of funny because it was like, you know, and throughout the conversation, he's like,

OK, I'll give you that point. OK, I'll give you that point. Well, you know, I'm telling you why your argument's bad.

You're having to give up your points and then try different arguments and you don't give it up.

I mean, I was talking to a friend afterwards and I wish I had thought of this. It wasn't original with me, but a friend of mine, he's one of the board members at Striving Fraternity, he goes, you know, well, that's really crazy, because if you think about it, all of Christianity owes a thanks to African pastors.

Right. August, he was from Africa, folks. He was black. So I'm like,

I was like, that's a brilliant argument. Like, how are you going to say that Christianity is a white religion when some of its greatest, first off, the folks that would have written the

Bible would have been more of a brownish color, if you want to even argue that way.

And the most, you know, the pastors that gave us such are great theology.

You have Augustine, before Augustine, you had a debate over whether Jesus was

God or whether he was simply a man. And Athanasius argued for this.

Gee, where is he from? Oh, Africa? Africa. In fact,

I forget his nickname, but it was sound like he was referred to as like the black preacher or something like that or the dark preacher.

I forget, you know, but it's like so. So our core theology is developed from early century black pastors.

And this guy was trying to say that Christianity, like that Jesus intended for Christianity only to be white.

And I was like, man, this really is beyond this.

And then we started working on a book with some guys.

We have an organization we're putting together called Truth Fellowship for folks who back in the, you know, when

COVID and all pastors who were kicked out of their denominations or people who were, you know, were willing to take a stand for the truth and people just didn't like it.

And so many of us got together and we have some things that we said, well, what are we going to stand for?

And we came up with that and we're going to write a book on that. But in the process of it, we decided we really wanted to, you know, and I'm just going to say this for the record.

It wasn't me that said we should have as part of the 12, 13 tenets of what we stand for being standing for Israel.

And I was like, you know, when we discussed it back and forth, I was like, but why, why that?

Like, why is that such a big deal? And when they started telling me and I had the guy

I'm referring to, Pastor Seth, he was on my Apologetics Live show the last two weeks.

But when he was explaining what, you know, what was going on,

I really couldn't believe it, you know, and he was like, you know, and I haven't

I still haven't put enough of the time in to check things out, but it's like, you know, he was saying that Joe Webben's doing a whole series on, you know, basically an anti -Israel series.

I haven't watched it yet, so I don't know if that's actually what it is. It's just what he claimed.

And I started to see, like, as I start getting into that and these guys wanted to debate Joe Webben and I, you know,

I offered that we could use Apologetics Live. And so I just said, hey, you know, we do this, we do this debate and or we set up a request for a debate.

And man, these guys that follow him, I don't know what

Webben is believing, but the folks who are following him, I'm just like, wow.

And even someone who I knew personally that,

OK, granted, he was a pastor who had disqualified himself. That doesn't mean that everything he says is wrong,

OK? But he, you know, he's no longer or shouldn't no longer be in ministry.

But the thing that amazes me is, like, he just totally bought into this. Yeah. And I'm like, this is a guy who is,

I would say, when it came to theology and stuff, a clear thinker.

And just all the followers that are coming out, I'm like, wow, what's going on? So I realized, you know what?

You are right. This is a bigger issue than I thought it would be.

I get the fact that, you know, people think, oh, because I'm Jewish, I'm going to be cited one way.

In fact, I don't know if I told you this. I don't know if I've even mentioned it on this show. I mentioned it on Apologetics Live, but I had a pastor who

I don't think I had been in contact with him for a dozen years. And after about a year after October 7th, when the

Hamas attacked Israel, I got an email out of the blue. I, to be honest,

I didn't remember who he was. I hadn't spoken to him in so long. I had to go try to figure it out.

And but the email basically said, I just wanted to let you know that our church no longer will use any of your materials.

And we as a church will not support anything you're doing because you are not saved.

Because you're Jewish and you cannot repent. You are an enemy of Christ.

And, you know, a bunch of scripture passages. And I just was like, this is one of those times where it's like, you know, there's like I didn't even respond.

I just delete the email. Just gone. Like, I don't even want to see it. Yeah. Because it's like, there's no response.

I'm going to give it that. Like saying that because someone's Jewish, they cannot be saved. Well, that eliminates all 12 of the disciples and basically almost everyone who wrote the

Bible that they hold to. Right. So it's like, OK, now you want to argue that they're the enemy.

You know, Jewish people are an enemy of Christ. That's after the New Testament. OK, you can you can argue that.

But still, in the one passage, there's only one passage where it refers to them as an enemy of Christ.

I went and looked it up when he gave it to me. And right there in that context,

Paul's saying he wishes he could die for the Jewish people.

Like he sees a future hope for them. But right now, those that are not believing are an enemy of Christ.

Well, I'm sorry, go on. Yeah, no, go ahead. No, it's what's wild.

It's, you know, when you look at cults, cults surround themselves, encompasses, encompass themselves with conspiracies.

And that's what helps drive them and motivate them. And then they just go up into rabbit holes and come up with their whole a whole different type of theology.

It's the same here. So this this type of thing, it's it. There's all these conspiracies because you look at our look at our society here in America for the last 10 years.

All right. A lot of stuff was coming out. You know, you had

COVID, you had the government's lying to us and and all this this type of stuff.

And then people just weren't believing anybody, including their own pastors.

And so there was a war on truth in the last 10 years, especially not just in our society, but, you know, in the home and in in churches.

And then all this, you know, people started not going to church and people started, you know, just listening to every you who are on on the

Internet and to shape and mold their doctrine. And and, you know,

I I can my calls for the young men out there that are falling for this and I can see why.

Okay. They've been being told they have to use pronouns. Their masculinity was attacked.

They're all for the last all this was happening last 10 years. And it's it's really sad.

You know, that's why I started passing the torch. I really felt bad for these these young men that were started getting into this militant

Christianity. And and it's like this hyper post mill theonomic, you know, but it's like morphed into something way different now.

And and it's just all these conspiracies and everything.

You know, I told people two years ago, I go, watch, this is going to go mainstream. I guarantee you 100 percent.

This is textbook. This is going to go mainstream. And next thing you know, the guy that started the he wrote that trash world book is scar.

I think his name is he went on Tucker Carlson and and then

Doug Wilson went on Tucker Carlson and and then Nick Fuentes.

And then and then it's gone mainstream now, you know, and now this whole ethnic

Christian nationalism. I mean, brother, I was getting phone calls from their side, their camp trying to warn me about the

Jews, trying to warn me about the and very so had a civil several civil conversations.

But the argument is always this. All right. So and it's such a weak argument because happy, what is an

American? And I go, somebody that's a citizen of the United States of America. And I go, so if you move to China, does that make you

Chinese? And I go, well, if I gave up my citizenship here, the

United States became a citizen of China. I would be a Chinese citizen. They go now. And I go like this,

OK, look at what's the national language of China?

And they go, well, I go, don't say Cantonese or Mandarin, I go, there's over 250 different dialects mean different indigenous languages to China.

And I go, what's the ethnicity of China? And he goes, well, yeah, Chinese.

And I'm like, no, there's 56 different indigenous ethnicities in China.

And he goes, well, what about Japan? I go, well, I could do this all day long. You know, you're trying to tie.

I go, you're trying to tie the necessity to a nation.

And that's just dumb. You're not going to find one pure race on the planet.

And I go, the problem is, is sin doesn't discriminate. It doesn't care what color you are, what size you are, what nation you're from or anything.

It's whatever some Jew owning a porn store would do. I expect that we live in a fallen world, you know, and and this is my plea to these guys.

It's I mean, this is all weak, weak arguments.

But yeah, very anti -Semitic. And I'll just add one more thing. The they the the when you really press these guys on this, they go like this.

Look at this. I don't hate anybody. They always say that I don't hate anybody. All right. But I can love them over there.

I'm like, you're that's that's separatism, bro. That's 100 percent separatism. And they go,

I go, what do you believe in immigration? And they go, I think we got a illegal alien problem here.

And I go, OK, I grant you that. But what's the solution? He goes, well, we just got to get him out of the country.

And I go, and who else? Well, and the Jews and the

Hindus and the blacks in them. And I go, yeah, OK. And they'll all say the exact same thing.

But no, Joe Webb is doing a whole thing with Nick Fuentes on on the evils of the

Jew. And it's just so stupid. It's disheartening because people are just eating us up going, oh, oh, you know.

Yeah, well, this is like leftist talking points and they're buying into it. I'm like, wow. So so it's just it's mind boggling.

Now, I've said this, I said this on the Apologetics Live show that we did. We do we actually did a combination of Apologetics Live and the

Theology Throwdown show that I do. And so we combine the two into one. And I had said,

I really think that what what was behind this for many Christians is they, and I do think that some of it is theological, where they've gotten out of balance with covenant theology.

OK, it starts with covenant theology that Israel is the church. And I'm going to say the majority of covenant theologians don't believe this.

But I do see that the early arguments that were being made were that there is no

Israel today. I had a person who online was saying that to me. What's that land that we call in that region next to Jordan that is, you know, established in 1948?

What do we call that? He's like, well, that's not Israel. And what they seem to be getting to is they don't want to see that God might have a future for Israel in prophecy.

And that the church is Israel, and therefore, to have

Israel, even if it's a nation today, those that hold that it is a nation, there's some that don't believe it is, which is just odd to me, because do you do that with any other nation?

But I think that so much of it is their view of struggling with their theological position.

And wanting to prove that God is not doing anything with Israel at all anymore.

And I think for some, it's starting there. And then this whole thing that you're seeing with folks is it's able to prove that, you know, these different people are, you know, that are

Jewish, that would say they're Israelites. Oh, well, they're not the children of God.

And that's not Israel. And, you know, it's very mind -boggling to me.

And I think that as we look at it, we have to realize that, yes, there are times where we can be out of balance, even with good theology, to where we start taking things and trying to see what we see in the world and in society, and read that into the

Bible. Now, I just made that case what I see with people that take their theological system of covenant theology, and I think they're doing that.

And I'm going to just state up front, yes, there's many, maybe even many more dispensationalists that do that too, because they, you know, they're looking at 1948 and going, oh, see, see, that's proof.

That's proof. I can't say that Israel being a country today is proof that God is continuing to work with Israel and that this is prophetic, because I don't know that that's what's happening.

Now, if it fulfills all the scripture that was said, then yes, right?

I mean, but Israel could disappear and come back again, and God could work with them later, right? So, we always have to be cautious and not say, well, this is the proof.

Mm -hmm. Yeah, I believe that when it comes to, like, so this whole

Jewish conspiracy that we're the goyim, and that there's this, that they want to rule the world and make us their slaves, that this is what they talk about, make us,

I mean, make them, us, their slaves, and that, you know, they want us to go under the

Noahide laws and all. I go, these are arguments that have been around forever, man. I mean, these claims have been around all the time, and it, you know, it's, you know, it's just, it's weird, man.

You know, I don't know, because when you look at it, they think, like, Israel, these people think

Israel is, like, Judaism is, like, really huge in Israel, and it really isn't.

The vast majorities of Israelites over there are secular and don't believe in God.

It's a very, very small, small, small group that actually believe in the

Old Testament. Not only within Israel is it a small segment, they're not in power, because, you know, they don't get into the politics.

That's part of the whole issue. They kind of stand against some of the politics, but the, like, okay, some of the arguments, they don't, people don't like what

Netanyahu does. I don't care what world leader you have, except for Christ.

When Christ reigns on earth, every world leader is going to have issues, because they're sinful men.

So, yeah, we're going to be able to find good and bad with every one of them. Yeah.

And so it's, it is kind of confusing to me how, well,

I, you know, I don't like how Net, what Netanyahu does. Well, okay, but, you know, that doesn't prove that Israel's not a country or that God's not doing something with them.

God's, there's nowhere in the Bible that you see the United States. I mean, you'd have to, you have to really stretch to read the

United States into the Bible. So for people to argue that this is the center of where God is working.

Yeah. Yeah, it's, it's, yeah, I think that they, they want to go back to this golden era of, of America.

And I'm like, there's never been a golden era of America. There's never been a golden age of Christianity.

There's never been this, this golden age that you guys thinking that, that we got to take back our nation and kick the foreigner out and do all this and that.

And my whole thing is, okay, you want a Christian nation, you know, then why don't you change your own block and then from changing your own block to do something in your city, build where you're at, do something to advance the kingdom of God instead of another dang podcast talking about all this type of stuff.

But, you know, I go, well, what they're calling for now is violence. And I said, that's the end result right there is violence.

Violence is what comes next. And if we, you know, and none of this is, is

Christ -like and we got, again, the, the what happens in Israel, I, to be honest,

I really don't even care what happens in Israel. I live over here. I live in Idaho. I care what happens in my hometown.

You know, I evangelize here and preach the gospel here and, you know, and, and, but yeah, it's, it's just like fantasy and fables and, and it's just ridiculous, you know?

Yeah. And, and this is where, when I, I look at this, there's, there is a focus on Israel because that's,

I mean, that is where the Bible was written. That's the, where God was, who God was working through. I find, as I've been talking with folks, covenant theologians, we end up talking and it's like, oh, we, we agree more than we disagree.

In fact, we got, you guys got the Open Air Theology Conference coming up. And originally

Jeff and I, Jeff Rice, who, who, you know, does that conference, you know, organizes when at his last conference that he had, he was like, we should do one, you know, on, on who is

Israel. And so he's like, you and I, we can have a, we should have a debate on this. And I said,

I said, okay, but we got to kind of define terms because I don't want to be talking past each other.

And as we started talking, he's like, you're more covenantal, you know, like, no, you're more dispensational.

See, a lot of this is we talk past one another. You know, what we mean by who is

Israel. And I think that's a major issue that people struggle with.

And just, just to be real quick, I mean, you could go back to the Apologetics Live or Theology Throwdown that we did a couple weeks ago, but on how

Christians should respond to Israel. But the thing is, my view is that just as we have what we refer to as the visible, invisible church, we have a visible, invisible

Israel. And once you do that, things marry up fine. And I don't see the difficulties that, you know, everyone tries to point out.

But if you have a visible church that's made up of believers and unbelievers that gather regularly, and you have an invisible church, which is made up only of believers everywhere in the world, we have the same thing with Israel.

You have a nation of Israel that was made up of believers and unbelievers who would gather together as a nation and whether it's worship

God, do civil things, but they were believers and unbelievers, but they were called

Israel. And then you have this invisible Israel called spiritual

Israel that's made up only of believers everywhere. And so if we're going to compare invisible church to invisible

Israel, I can see a lot of similarity. If we're going to compare the visible church to the visible

Israel, I think it's going to be very different. But what I see people do is they take the invisible church to the visible

Israel, and that's an apples to oranges type of thing, right? So that's kind of,

I mean, that seems to be something that helps a lot of people when I explain it for them to see, oh, okay,

I see what you're doing there, right? What I'm trying to do is let's get something where we can agree.

So why do you think that this is so dangerous?

Because you explained this to me years ago from your background, you know, being a skinhead.

What is it you see as the danger this brings to the church? Well, it's all the name of Christ.

You know, that's, it's all in the name of Christ.

Like, somehow we're the princes, and we're the kings, and it's up to us to advance the kingdom of God.

And I think the danger comes is to when, where's the gospel in any of this?

Where's our hope in any of this? Our hope, our identity is in Jesus Christ.

It's not in America. Our identity is in Jesus Christ.

And when you try to bring Christ down here and start making him in our image, it's going to spiral out of control.

I've watched marriages go down, churches, pastors, and it just wrecks and ruins relationships.

And it makes Christianity out like, you know, like, what are we, are we the crusaders again?

We're going to go around and make people Christians? And, you know, become a

Christian or die? And I think that it's going to lead to violence.

I 100 % believe that. And by the way, when me and this investigative reporter started making this stuff public and started calling these guys out, that reporter got death threats sent to him on his phone, his phone, saying that the, from the, these white

Christian nationalists saying that they were going to rape his wife. All right.

And then they were sending him sex toys in the mail where he has a little kids.

They, they showed up out here in front of my store. And we were just like, that's not a wise thing to do.

You know, it's Idaho. Everyone carries. Yeah. You know, and, and so, yeah, they, and let me tell you, real ethnic

Christian nationalists, they will hurt you.

That's a fact. All right. And it does lead to violence. And what

I was saying a couple of years ago, I go this type of talk, we have unstable people out here in America.

All right. We got, there's a lot of issues. And then you got people running into mosque because they believe these conspiracies and this nonsense.

And they hear this over and over again. They go not to mosque into synagogues and start firing on Jews or start going into Christian churches and doing this and stuff.

And so their language has consequences. And believe it or not, I, I, so I work here at my brother's store.

I hope and we got this joke. We have people that come in here every day and tell us about the

Jewish conspiracy that aren't Christians that aren't Christians at all. They don't believe in Jesus at all.

So if the secular world, those that know not Christ are saying that saying this and these white

Christian nationalists are saying the same thing the world is saying, then this is not of Christ.

This is of the world. And, and that is what it comes down to. This is coming from the evil one, the liar and the deceiver.

This is not coming from Christ. And so, yeah, that's my. Yeah. You know, now

I will say when we, we look for you, I mean, if people are coming to your place with death threats, just knowing, knowing your haps,

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I'm just saying, but you know, when we, when we look at this,

I mean, there there's, there's the things of the, the dangers. I think,

I think even with, when some of this stuff was going on, I, I don't know, I think you might've been one of the guys I spoke with that was dead set that there was, there was an incident with, with Joe Webb in a church, put out an article and people were like,

Oh, this is the kill. He's he's disqualified for life based on this. And I was,

I never got around to it. And by the time I did, it's, I guess there's more information. People said, no, you shouldn't do it.

Cause there's more information that came out. And I was going to defend Joe Webb in just because just based on that one letter, there were a lot of red flags with what that, what was going on, you know, you know, everyone looks at it.

And when you, whenever you look at anything, you have to be able to question your bias. You have to be able to look at both sides of an argument.

And, and I'm going to, I'm going to tell you something that I think I'm going to start doing in my debate prep.

And when I train debate, which is the course that for you had me teach for you is, you know, was, was apologetics and debate.

I'm going to use AI in debate prep, because what I'm going to, what

I worked on was a, a prompt that I can put into AI where I can stick any topic in and say, okay, you're going to, you,

Mr. AI, or not really, but computer, it's not a him, but you're going to respond arguing for the pro -life issue.

And I'm going to argue against it or, or vice versa. And I'm going to, I want that to give me the, are you there?

You know, so I'm telling it to be a debater and I'm going to give it my arguments and then say, what's your rebuttal, right?

Here's my opening statement. What's your rebuttal? Because I think what that's going to do is help me think of the things

I can't think of. That's the thing about debates. Everybody, even

Haps Addison wins every debate in his own mind. Everybody does, because there's no, there's no argument that I'm going to not come up with, right?

Unless it's outside my mind. And, and that's the thing. Every, every debate, every person that does a debate, everyone that prepares a good debater goes to other people to get some ideas.

A really good debater goes to people who disagree with them on the position to see where the holes are in his argument.

I'm going to use AI to do that. I'm going to, I, I, Matt Slick and I were, you know, Matt, you know,

I was telling him, like, this is what I'm working on. Like to do, you know, I was working on the prompt on, to do debate prep.

And this is the thing I think is really lacking with folks with that letter that went out with Joel Webben. People that don't like Joel saw that letter and said, this is the most damning information ever.

He's disqualified forever. And I had several people, yourself and others who were really dead set on it.

And, and I just said, well, let's take a step back and look at this differently because see, I entered, read the letter and I read

Joel's response knowing nothing of the background. So I didn't have that bias walking in, but I walked in and went, wait a minute here.

The, the, this church is saying that like the church is confirming what Joel Webben was saying was that yes, they continue to fund him as he leaves to plant another church while they're saying he was disqualified.

Well, wait a minute. Then you're, you're pretty guilty. If you, if you sat there and said, well, we're just going to take the easy path, get rid of him.

He's disqualified from ministry, but we're going to fund him in a church plant. That's a problem.

That's a red flag against the church, right? There were a lot of things like that. Well, you know, the, the, the wild part about all of that and everything was when you, you know, the, the way

I approach debate is I learn how to debate the other person's argument with a death grip.

You know, I learned every other person's position and I learned how to defend that position.

And so I don't just come in and then I look at like, you know, subjective truth, objective truth, subjective reality, objective reality.

And I, I just start using like, well, what's the genetic fallacy, genetic fallacy?

Where's the origin of this? And then go from there. You know, what's the, where's the genesis of it?

And when I started in on the whole web and the thing, even before we published his, those papers we just saw this pattern over time.

And just listening to the rhetoric, the rhetoric he was using and the stuff he was saying, of course, he was going to end up right here, just like the rest of them.

You know, I'm, I'm in, I got contacted, well, we were, when we were both at Matt Slick's house, you know,

Ed Romaine, Dr. Ed Romaine. You got to learn how to pronounce it. Romaine.

Okay. I call him chicken nugget. So that, that seems, you know, but anyway, she gave me the number of this

OPC pastor. That's doing a, a documentary on con and webbing and all these guys that he's been.

So he, he interviewed me there at the house over the phone. And then when

I got back over here and I started sending him people like Bob the

Bap. Well, I didn't send Bob the Baptist, but me and Bob the Baptist were talking on the phone about this two years ago, you know, and also

Cody Lawrence from spare no arrows. So we've been really covering this for quite some time.

And but when, and each one of these guys, they got a problem because of what they came out of or right.

And where there's no accountability. And when there's no accountability and it's surrounded by conspiracy in the name of Jesus Christ, sure.

You're going to come to these, these conclusions. You're going to fall for what the enemy has to say instead of keep your eyes on Christ.

That's I mean, so a lot of this it's, it's sin and they, these people need to repent because they're, they're leading people into it's going to turn into hate.

And that's the end result of all this. It goes from, from separatism to hate.

And then, then you got, then they just devour one another. Well, that's what we see from the woke group, right?

I mean, they're just, it's funny. I heard a clip from the guy who's singing at the super bowl, the bunny, bad bunny, whatever his name is.

And he's, he's bashing on Trump and ice and saying, we need to combat all the hate with love.

And I'm like, dude, the hate's all on one side. It's yours. I mean, when Charlie Kirk was murdered, what did we do?

We prayed. We, we didn't go attacking people on the streets.

I just had someone that sent a picture, sent me a picture. They, they have every, like they're now just in Minnesota, just smashing every car window because it might be ice.

And so there's just all of them. I mean, there's, it's, it's, that's the hatred and that, but that's where it leads to.

And so that shouldn't be what you see in the church. You shouldn't see hatred in the church.

And as I'm getting older, I'm, I'm realizing more and more that of this tribalism.

Now, you know, I did the true script. If you go to true script, I forget if it's .com .org, but true script,

I did an article on ministry versus platform building. And you can go check that out.

The next one I'm working on and, and doing some research for is on tribalism because that's the, the, the platform building leads to, well,

I got to get my tribe. I got to get my group of people. And it's amazing how people will jump from one tribe to another if they think they could build a bigger platform there.

And it's, it's just, it's so insidious because the focus of the platform building and the tribalism is all self, which is everything that the

Bible says we shouldn't be doing. We should be focused on Christ and loving others, not saying,

Hey, if you don't agree completely with me, you're of the devil, you're God. I literally saw that as a response to me saying with that, you know, on X that, you know, that these guys are willing to do a debate and, you know, just the, the, it's so interesting how the people are being, you know, the, and these are professing believers and literally

I'll just, I'll read one thing that this guy, because I'm a dispensationalist accuses me of actively lying about scripture.

Well, just because you disagree with it, isn't proof of actively lying. He, he said, you know, he's he's cause he, he has his comment to me was that he, he saw left behind and, and I was like, well,

I didn't, you know, like, or he read left behind. And so this, this person says, this person responds is

I didn't, I read the Bible while listening to dispensationalists try to explain themselves and realized they, they weren't just wrong.

They were actively lying about who the chosen elect are and lying when first, first Thessalonians four says it happens at the coming of the

Lord, you lying snakes. Now that's not the folks who listen to this show regularly.

You know, that's not the language you're going to hear me speak about those that disagree. Go watch a projects live where people come in regularly who disagree with me.

That's not how I, I deal with, with them. Now I am going to say there's some like the, the

Orthodox rabbi who came in and he was, you know, he was very aggressive and very harsh.

And I responded the same way. And I ended up doing a show explaining cause people were like, wow, that was odd.

Like, why did you do that? And I ended up explaining why I did that because it was, you know, it was meeting it, you know, he, he was just being very aggressive and not listening.

So I, you know, I was doing the same. Now there's some times where people will be aggressive and I don't do that.

So it's, it's a thing of, you know, I think it's a lot of emotionalism, you know?

Well, that's what I'm finding, which is what the left is. I mean, this is like, I'm looking at all the comments and I go,

I'm treating these people that claim to be brothers in Christ. I'm treating them the way I would the left going. They're not thinking through this problem.

They're feeling their way through. You know, I called up Matt about this and this was like two years ago.

I remember, no, no, it was Matt and I were on a road trip to oh, to debate you.

That's right. And, and we were talking. Yeah. He was going to debate you at the Utah Christ. Matt was debating me in Utah on Charismaticus.

Yeah. And so him and I drove down there and we discussed on the way that he's,

I told him, he started explaining, explaining to me the, the cult mind.

And, and I was like, yeah, everything he was saying, I was seeing getting people out of cults down in California.

And I go, I go, they go from one extreme to the other. And, and he goes, yeah, we, we call that the snap.

And I was like, yeah, he goes, it's called the snap. So whatever they're, what they thought their objective truth is, is demolished.

And, and, and so whatever truth they come upon becomes their new absolute truth.

So that's kind of, that's kind of like what I would call the whiplash where, you know, one day all the left is arguing no

Kings and 88 days later, when we, when we remove a dictator, they're arguing for put the dictator back.

They want the King, you know, that's wild. Yeah. Yeah. But no, this gets to the quote that I've used for, for decades now, but to many people, truth doesn't matter.

The narrative matters. And if truth interferes with the narrative, we just, we just change the narrative because the narrative is, is the, is what's

King, not truth. So we'll forget truth. We'll forget whatever. We'll, we'll make things fit because it's the narrative that matters.

Yeah. And you know, this is done by Jews and Gentiles. Yeah. Weird, huh?

Yeah. And this is wild. Let folks know where they can get ahold of you if they want, you know, we, you got the open air theology conferences, it's in the organizing stages.

Yes. But you know, how can folks get ahold of you? Find out what some of the stuff you're doing.

Well, you can get a, you can message me on Facebook messenger at Haps Addison, H -A -P -S -A -D -D -I -S -O -N.

Also with open air theology and I have a new show coming out. My editors, film editors and everything are working on it.

It's called the Broken Bones Society. And we'll be discussing a lot of these, these current issues.

And yeah, it's going to be fun. A lot of interviews coming up this year. But yeah.

All right. Or you could just come down to my office and say hi. Yeah. Idaho coin exchange.

So if you have coins, Idaho coin exchange. Oh, you can find me on whatnot too.

But Idaho coin exchange. I do, gold and silver. I do have. Yeah, well,

I'm, I might need to be buying some. So, so with that folks, just to let you know, again,

I do, we don't know the dates for open air theology conference, but we do have the dates for the built to conquer conference.

And that is March 12th to the 14th. That you can go to Caleb Gordon .org

to get the tickets there. Get the tickets because he is really trying to figure, you know, there's another conference that's in the area, not far.

So there's, there's that just happened to be the same weekend he had planned at first, but I think that they're, they're now struggling with, with tickets, but going to a smaller conferences is where I think you get a lot more fellowship.

It's a lot better. So go to Caleb Gordon .org, get the tickets there.

I mentioned the truth conference. We're going to have our conference in Tampa, Florida, May 1st to the 3rd.

So if you want to go down to Tampa, Florida, just get out of the cold after, you know, as soon as spring starts before Tampa gets too hot, you could just join us there.

You can go to the truth conference .com or .org.

I forget which one, but you have to have the, so it's the truth. Sorry, the truth fellowship, the truth fellowship .com

or .org and find it there. So with that, folks, that's a wrap.

We'll see you next time. I hope that you just remember that to strive to make today an eternal day for the glory of God, and we will see you next time on The Wrap Report.

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