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The following program is recorded content created by The Truth Network. It's Matt Slick Live!

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Matt is the founder and president of the Christian Apologetics Research Ministry, found online at karm .org.

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When you have questions about Bible doctrines, turn to Matt Slick Live for answers. Taking your calls and responding to your questions at 877 -207 -2276.

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Here's Matt Slick. All right, welcome to the show. It's me, Matt Slick. Let me try it in English.

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You're listening to Matt Slick Live. I'm your host, Matt Slick. Today's date is, let's see, April 25th, 2024.

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I hope you're all having a good time listening so far, if you're driving or podcasting or listening at home or whatever it is, or at work.

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I know a lot of people do that. So there you go. I hope you want to give me a call as well.

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All you have to do is dial 877 -207 -2276.

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And if you are interested, you can give me an email. All you have to do is just send it to info at karm .org,

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info at karm .org, and put in the subject line, radio comment or radio question.

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Real easy to do. I was just looking at some of the comments and questions coming in, and we've got a few in there.

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So, yeah, look at that, quite a bit, actually, gone through a lot of them, I got to get rid of them. Once you've gone through.

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All right. All right. All right. Oh, man, we got something happening. Let's just jump right in.

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Oh, wait. No, no. Something else I wanted to say. And I can't remember what it is. Man, I hate it when

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I do that. Forget it. Let's get on with Derek from Virginia. Derek, welcome. You're on the air.

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Mr. Slick, how are you? How are you today? Well, I'm hanging in there, a little bit melancholy, obstreperousness, with some named persiflage.

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That's how. I got you. I got you. Yeah. So I was listening to your show yesterday and at the tail end, and there was a gentleman on there talking about the flat earth.

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And I didn't know people still believed in that. Yeah. Yes. It's a growing phenomenon and it's problematic.

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It doesn't work for lots of reasons. It just. Yeah. Well, I mean, we've got satellites and we've got, you know,

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Google Earth and Google Maps and, you know, it's kind of hard for satellites, you know, to work. Conspiracy. There's not an orbit.

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It's all conspiracy. In fact, NASA is in cahoots with the power that be for money in order to fake moon landings and also to have their thousands of employees all participate in the

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Great Deception. Yeah, it just blew my mind that, you know, I've heard it in the past.

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I just kind of figured it had gone away, but it's still here. Yep. Yeah.

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There's lots of problems with it. Eclipses are one of them, you know, and the model I gave yesterday, a three foot diameter circle and you put a dome over two hundred,

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I mean, two feet high as an example, and then you flatten the earth out as a map, a circular map of the bottom there.

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OK, great. So then that would mean that near the top center of the dome are the sun and the moon, which are supposed to be the same size.

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And how do you know they're the same size? Because when you look up in the sky, they're the same size.

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It's really good science there. And so there are eclipses, which means the moon gets in front of the sun.

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But if the moon and the sun are up parallel to each other in a perpendicular relationship to the axis of the earth, the flat earth, then how can the moon lower itself down to a perspective and get in front of the sun so that, you know, it could be an eclipse?

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There's other things. It's just just ridiculous. It really is. Sorry, you can tell

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I don't like it. You there? We lose you.

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You still here? Yeah, we lost you for a second. Can you hear me? Yep, I hear you. Sorry.

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That's all right. Yeah, I totally agree. It's a crazy, you know, belief.

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But anyway, yeah, the main reason I was calling me and my wife, we were talking about different symbolisms in the

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Bible. Yep. And it was kind of cool. We were talking about, like, you know, the rapture and the symbolism between that and the marriage of a man and a woman.

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And, you know, like how when Christ, you know, comes back to take his bride or whatever, you know, how that symbolizes the bride in a wedding, you know, the bride is white dress and, you know, and the groom is waiting for her or, you know, she comes to meet the groom and, you know, like the trumpet sounds, you know, is that symbolic of the organ, you know, like announcing the bride and, you know, different.

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What are your what's your take on that? Well, it's an actual literal wedding feast that it's playing off of.

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And so using an actuality and using elements of it to represent what's going to happen so that people are familiar with it.

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So the trumpet is what was there when they go to get the bride. You would have trumpeters and musicians go along to go get the bride.

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Well, we're called the bride. So it's not a symbolism there. Yeah. And it really goes on quite a bit. But yeah, it's that's where it is.

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And what about like I've heard other people talking about the symbolism between, you know,

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Adam and Eve in the garden as far as like the tree being symbolic of the cross.

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Is that true? And is that like and it is like symbolism of the rib that was taken out of Adam's side as being symbolic of the

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Christ side being pierced. I didn't know if you had heard that or if that's just something that's like.

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No, I haven't heard that. Rib pierced.

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No, I see why they'd say it, but I just don't I just don't see it.

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You know? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. OK. It just doesn't work.

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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. For me. Yeah. I didn't know. I mean, I had heard somebody caught the tail end of a message somewhere, and I didn't quite get the comparison there.

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And it didn't make sense to me. And I figured, you know, get another thought on that. Yeah. All right.

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That's all I've got. That's OK. That's OK. All right, brother. We'll listen. Have a good evening.

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And thanks for taking my call. You too, man. God bless. All right. Hey, if you want to give me a call.

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877 -207 -2276. Let's get to Christopher from Raleigh, North Carolina.

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Christopher, welcome. You're on the air. Hey, Matt. How are you today? Oh, I'm actually tired.

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I'm fatigued. Couldn't get enough sleep last night. It's one of those days, you know. That's OK, though. Oh, man.

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Sorry. I hope you get a nice nap later. Oh, that sounds so good.

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I know it does. Sometimes it's hard to get a good night's sleep. So my question is about Calvinism and free will.

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I haven't really deep studied Calvinism. I'm actually kind of on the cusp of doing that amongst other theological topics.

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So I'm kind of trying to rectify, doesn't

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Calvinism teach that we don't have free will? No.

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It teaches we have free will. Absolutely. It does not deny free will. Yeah.

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We have to define it, though. OK. Yeah. We have to define it, what free will is. And what

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I tell people is free will is the ability to make a choice that's consistent with your nature and is not forced on you.

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So this includes God. You see, God is holy. He has free will. And he cannot choose to sin.

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He cannot choose wrong. So free will is the ability to make a choice consistent with your nature that's not forced on you.

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And so that's what reformed people believe. It's not a big deal. OK. Interesting.

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Because I thought, maybe I misheard one day because I was thinking, I was like, well, that doesn't make sense. Because if we didn't have free will, then it's almost kind of like God is a puppet master and that's not who

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God is. So, OK. All right. I guess I misunderstood. Real quick, do you have or do you know where any good references are to, like, learn more about Calvinism?

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Because I'm very interested. I've, you know, scratched the surface, but not been really in -depth. Yes. Yeah, I have.

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I've written on it. You know, I affirm reform doctrine. So, I know it very well and I can stand up in front of a crowd without any notes and teach on it for well over an hour with scripture references.

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Oh, wow. I'm boasting. I'm just saying, I really know it. I've been defending it for over 30 years. I have a Master's of Divinity from a

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Calvinist seminary. That doesn't mean I'm right, but I know it. And so what often happens is people will grossly misrepresent what we call the doctrines of grace and they're essentially bearing false witness.

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So reformed people, Calvinists, they don't deny free will. They just affirm biblical free will. And biblical free will, for example, look at this,

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I mean, Jesus was God and he had free will, right? Wouldn't you agree? Right. Yeah.

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Okay. But Jesus said, John 5 .19, John 5 .30, he says he could only do what the Father sent him to do.

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Well, wait a minute. Yeah. If he could only do what the Father sent him to do and he had free will, then that means both what is ordained for him to do and free will are compatible because it's right there in Jesus.

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Simple. Yeah. So I'll show people this stuff and they just often just reject it because they have these weird mindsets.

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I don't get it. But anyway, if you want information, I have another website where I've written this kind of stuff.

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There's a lot of stuff in scripture defending it. I have a lot of information on it. Okay. And it's just simple, calvinistcorner .com.

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Calvinistcorner .com. Okay. Cool. Stellar. One word. Do you write anything about Arminianism in there?

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Not really. The reason I don't is I don't want to cause division in the body of Christ. I'm not out to attack a group.

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The reason I wrote about Reformed theology, also known as Calvinism, is because so many people are attacking it and misrepresenting it and causing division in the body of Christ.

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And so I've said, no, no, no, that's not our position. And I was just on three days ago or four days ago,

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I don't know, talking to a woman online about it. And she continues to misrepresent it and say, that's not our position.

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It's not. And if I say, look, I've got a master divinity from the Calvinist seminary. Oh, you're just boasting.

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You know, it's like, excuse me, but the issue here isn't that. The issue is I'm qualified to be able to tell you what it is.

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And you're not getting it right, you know, and they don't care. It's bizarre.

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You know, it is. And so, but you'll go that website, you'll find a lot of information there.

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And if you accept those doctrines, great. If you don't, that's okay. Just do it biblically. That's all.

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Okay. Yeah. All right. One last thing. Literally one last thing. I don't want to hold you up.

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That's all right. So I'm really, you know, because I'm very passionate about theology.

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I think every Christian should be, but anyway, and I really want to go to some kind of seminary.

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I live in, obviously, Raleigh, and there's a Southeastern seminary,

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I think. But I think it's... I've heard good things. Yeah. Okay. Oh, really? Okay.

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Because that's where... Let me make sure. I don't know if that's right. Sorry. I don't know if that's what I'm thinking of, so I'm going to withdraw that.

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I don't know if it is the right one. But go ahead. Okay. Okay. Yeah. No, it's okay.

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But the people that this church that I started going to, that's kind of where they go.

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I'm not going because that's where they go, but it's just the one that's in person. Honestly, I don't mind if it's in person or on the web, but it's just something around here because I'm really wanting to go further into the

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Word. But do you have any recommendations if it is online or anything like that?

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There's a seminary online in Florida and it's driving me crazy. I can't remember the name.

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Some of my old professors went there. Charles, maybe you know the name of it. He doesn't know. I'll see.

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I'm going to break. Let me do a bit of research and see if I can get the name of one of them.

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Okay? So hold on, man. I'm going to break. Okay. Hold on. Hey, folks. We'll be right back after these messages.

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Please stay tuned. It's Matt Slick Live!

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Taking your calls at 877 -207 -2276. Here's Matt Slick.

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All right, everybody. Welcome back to the show. As soon as the producer reactivates the caller, I'll get back in. There he is.

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Christopher, are you still there? Yeah, I'm here. Okay.

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So I'm going to go back to the show. So here I did find the one in Florida. It's a Reformed Theological Seminary. It's in Orlando.

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It's a good seminary. That's one. And then another one is Southern Evangelical Seminary.

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And I think that's in Carolina or the Carolinas. I think it's what it is. And so and it's not reformed.

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But hey, you know, I know I have a friend who graduated from there and no big deal. He's reformed. And so they don't, you know, dock you for it.

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So those are the two. And then there's, um, it's in Nebraska, Kansas City.

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There's a seminary out there, too. That seems to be pretty good. And one of them uses CARM, actually, as as resources and recommendations for reading.

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Oh, wow. Hmm. I can't remember the one out there. Seminary. So anyway,

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Southern Evangelical Seminary and Reformed Theological Seminary, a lot of the time they have stuff online.

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You can just do stuff online and then you have a one or two week thing. You've got to be on site and things like that. You know, it's doable.

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OK, cool. All right. Well, that's all I had. I appreciate you taking my call, Matt. All right, man.

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God bless, buddy. All right. God bless you. All right. You, too. OK. God bless. All right.

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Now, let's get to next longest is Horvath and we'll get to David from Greensboro after that. And then

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Matt back up there. All right. Horvath. Wow. Interesting name. Hi.

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Yes, that's correct. So what do you got? So thank you for taking my call.

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I know that you've spoken about that you believe that you cannot lose your salvation. And so I just.

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So then can you help me understand in Hebrews six, four through six, who are they talking about?

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Who is the author speaking of them? OK, so the book of Hebrews, guess what's written to? Who's the book of Hebrews written to who would you think?

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It's written to Very good to the

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Hebrews to the Jews now for the in the case of those who've once been enlightened and Have tasted the heavenly gift and made partakers of the

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Holy Spirit. We have a problem and The problem is what does that mean? They've been enlightened doesn't mean they've been saved

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Was Judas Iscariot enlightened? Yeah, but Judas was never a

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Christian he was never a believer Well, what does it mean to taste the heavenly gift?

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Does it mean you're saved? Well, no, it means you've tasted the heavenly gift. What does it mean? It's difficult to discern what it means.

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A lot of people come in. They just say oh it means you're saved Well, maybe it does but can you show us that that's what is what it means?

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Because you're just saying it and made partakers of the Holy Spirit see man. They're made partakers. That means they're saved

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How do you know was not a Gamaliel an unbeliever did he not get moved by God himself to prophesy and he did

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How about the disciples or Judas where I just use Judas was he not a partaker? The Holy Spirit is able to do works and miracles

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Doesn't mean he was saved And they've tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come

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What does it mean to taste the Word of God and then it says and then have fallen away? Are these the words spoken of of a true believer?

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Or is it the words spoken of the Jews who were covenantally aware of who

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Christ was? They had been enlightened. They tasted the heavenly gift made partakers of the

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Holy Spirit Tasted the good word the powers of the edge of come these these poetic kinds of ways of speaking and then they threw it away

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Well, that would make more sense Particularly says it says it says it it's impossible to renew them again to repentance

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Well, people say well, no, they were repentant. It means that they were saved. Nope, because it's in Corinthians 7 10

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Let's see 2nd Corinthians 7 10 been a long time to quoted that one For the sorrow that is according to the will of God produces a repentance without regret leading to salvation

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But the sorrow of the world produces death. There's true and false repentance So Judas repented

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But he was still damned so This is what's so difficult is when people say this means they lost their salvation

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Nothing in it says they lost their salvation. It's poetic usage and then you have to Figure out what it means and it's difficult because these phrases are not used elsewhere

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You know tasted the heavenly gift. It's not found in anywhere else and It's been enlightened.

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Well, the word enlightened is found in other places, but What does it mean in this particular context so I'm not trying to be you know to obfuscate things

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But it's just these are the questions we have to ask and we don't have good answers to them

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So I can't say we'd you lose our salvation. Okay got another one Okay No, that was actually that was actually it because I think that is something

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I've been struggling with I've debated it with my my girlfriends and they don't believe you can lose your salvation

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I'm like, but this does seem like this person Yeah No, thank you.

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I Put this let me help you out. Okay, I'm gonna read a couple things to you here. I'm gonna read

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Ephesians 1 4 Which says and 5 it says and he chose us in him.

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That's the father chose us That's the elect in him. That's Jesus before the foundation of the world

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That we would be holy and blameless well, the only way to be holy and blameless is to be saved

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Okay in love he predestined us to adoption as sons through Jesus Christ to himself

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So God chose us right? He chose us now. What's interesting is we go to John chapter 6 37

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Jesus says all that the father gives me will come to me It does not say all who come to me the father will then give them to me

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No, it says all that the father gives me. They're going to come to me

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Because they're a group by the chosen by the father For the son, which is exactly what

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Ephesians 1 4 is saying and he says and to the one who comes to me I certainly will not cast out for I have come down from heaven not to do my own will but the will of him who sent

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This is the will of him who sent me that all that he's given me I lose nothing

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But raised it up in the last day. So Jesus says the will of the father that Jesus not lose any can

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Jesus lose any No Why? Because the father chose him from the foundation of the world and gave him to the son

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For safekeeping to redeem we can't lose our salvation. Otherwise Jesus failed

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Okay Right So are you saying then like say for example, like one of the

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Pharisees Nicodemus whoever if they tasted of The Word of God and you know partook of the

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Word of God and taste the Holy Spirit if they decided no I don't want this so then

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They couldn't be they couldn't come back to repentance. Oh See, that's what the suggestion

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Be Yeah, you see that's the catch in in a

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Hebrew 6 4 through 6. They can never be renewed again to repentance Well, then you got a problem because you have them people who say you can lose your salvation, but you can get it back again

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Really, but they don't believe the whole of Scripture there What they want to do a lot of here's here's the thing I'm not trying to get on you if you you know,

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I'm just trying to here to think about this We do not get salvation by our goodness.

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Okay, that's no problem So here's a question. Do we keep our salvation by our goodness?

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Do we have to? It's right. Do we have to maintain our position with the infinitely

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Holy God by doing the right thing so that we don't lose it? Then salvation depends.

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Yeah. No Okay problem Okay. Thank you.

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You're welcome. God bless. Okay Hey folks, we're right back after these messages. We're gonna get to David from Greensboro, North Carolina, that's where it's from.

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We're right back. Please stay tuned It's Matt slick live taking your calls at eight seven seven two zero seven two two seven six, here's

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Matt slick All right, everyone. Welcome back to the show. Let's get to Dave from Greensboro, North Carolina.

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Welcome. You're on the air Hey, man, I hope you're doing well

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Yes, sir, he's there yes, I am hanging in there man hanging there what do you got buddy Good good wanted your opinion on the

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Orthodox Church got a buddy that has started going To an Orthodox Church and I've read some stuff on it and I haven't come up with a great opinion

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So just wanted your thoughts on one Yeah, it's a false religion and its doctrines will lead to damnation

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Okay, and I can pick it up. All right. Oh, I was afraid of that Yeah, that's what it is.

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Okay, and so it says Justification is accomplished at baptism The point where a person is granted forgiveness of sins if it's granted at baptism

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They were not justified by faith because the Bible says having therefore been justified by faith

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Romans 5 1 So justification includes the forgiveness of sins and the accomplishment by the imputation of Christ's righteousness to us

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Philippians 3 9 So now they're saying justification is accomplished at baptism.

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Well, wait a minute Doesn't the Bible say having therefore been justified by faith? Yes, then I asked them. Are you justified by faith when you have faith?

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If they say yes, then why they're saying you get justified at baptism If they say no, you're not justified by faith and they contradict

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Scripture Furthermore, they will say that we come to Christ as sinners and are justified by faith apart from good works so justification is

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By faith apart from good works And I have documentation from these sources where they're saying these things.

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Okay Yet it says baptism and the Eucharist check this out according to st

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Paul not only loving deeds, but also the sacraments of baptism and the Eucharist are decisive to salvation so loving deeds but also baptism, okay, so loving deeds baptism and the

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Eucharist are Necessary or they're decisive. So in other words your works loving deeds baptism and the

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Eucharist for salvation And also check this out. All this is just so lovely.

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Okay Orthodox Christians throughout their lives receive salvation and renewal through faith works and the sacraments of the church receive salvation and renewal

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So what doubt what it teaches is that the graces of God are equivalent to the energies of God that are then imparted to you through sacraments the

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Energies help you then become more like Christ so that through the process of your life you become divinized

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Divine, but they're not saying you're actually God They're saying you're becoming Christ -like and in this process you end up being saved.

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In fact, it says These are from the from the go arch org. Oh arch a

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RCH org It's a Eastern Orthodox website that I'm getting that from.

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I also got stuff from Orthodox bridge comm but anyway, this is what it says. This is that yeah go arch

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Okay, how are we saved the article the reception of the gift of salvation is not a one -time event, but a lifetime process

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St. Paul employs a verb to say so said the thigh in the past tense He goes on they take things out of context and the future tense

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He can think even of justification as a future event and part of the final judgment So it's what they teach is this what

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I've done is I've gone in with serious discussions with People who are Eastern Orthodox adherents who say they know their theology and when

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I debate them they know their stuff and So here's some summaries that they have told me and I've said

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I'm gonna write these out the way you say them You tell me if I've written them out correctly. I put them in the chat room

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I read them to them and they say yes there that's correct. And I got different ones from different people

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One of them is we participate in the energies of God that will deify us it means becoming like God identical to what

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God has Accepted his essence the identical things are things like immortality glorified state such as which is energized by God in his operations

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Okay, right Then he says God is working in and through you to do good works

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Which are perfecting your faith in God these same works purify your faith and that purified faith brings

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Theosis which is god -likeness. Okay by which righteousness is obtained

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It is the grace of true faith of orthodoxy that achieves theosis and it goes on and on It's bad

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Sounds crazy It is crazy. Okay. Well, yeah, that's kind of what

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I'd come to on my own I just wanted a little backup on it. I thank you so much You're welcome so much and this guy if he's looking into it with Psychologically it will mean that he's already given

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He's already assuming the validity of it to some degree. So if you were to tell him it's not

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Then he's gonna resist and then more you do something to expose it Generally speaking the less they become receptive and this is of course a problem.

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So what do you do about it? You can ask questions And you read him a quote without them knowing it's it's a quote

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You just say it and if he says yeah, that's good or that's bad. Now you have something to work on That's one possibility you can do and I have stuff written on on karma on Eastern Orthodox.

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I need to expand it But also I would be willing Perfectly willing to do a phone call with him and just have a nice polite discussion and go for it

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You know, so here's what it says. It's the Bible says Okay, I mean volunteering All right, are you there

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Hello, maybe I lost him. Don't know. Okay, so I guess we did

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All right, let's get on the air with Wow match for North Carolina Matt. Welcome. You're on the air.

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Hey, Matt. How are you today? Oh, I'm doing okay hanging in there buddy hanging up. What do you got man?

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My question is was Adam and Eve created to live forever if They had to eat from the tree of life

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Not if they ate they were created to live forever that's the nature all of us live forever

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We don't stop existing because this is what God has ordained for us Some will live forever in hell and some will live forever in heaven.

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So he created them that way now there are theories that go on about had they eaten of the tree of life that they would have

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Remained in their fallen state forever and that's right one of the theories that God says no

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We're not gonna have you do that. We're gonna you know block That was my question because he said lest they eat from the tree of life and live forever

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Right in the following day Right. That's what one of the main theories is about that.

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Yep Yeah, that's so but Regardless if they eat from the tree of life we were created eternally

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Yes, we were created to live forever And that's what we we are nothing in the

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Bible though I know people say it does nothing in the Bible teaches that we stop existing.

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It's called annihilationism Right, it's bad news. Okay, and there's lots of logical problems to it

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Okay Yeah, I believe we were created to live forever. I just was my question was why the tree of life was in the garden and Which is in heaven now

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The garden is is not in heaven just so you know, you know the tree of life is You know, that's interesting

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That's interesting You got me thinking because the tree of life in the garden

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But yet, there's a tree of life that is spoken of in Revelation though That's really interesting.

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Is it that same tree of life in the same context? Ooh You can be thinking about that.

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I'm gonna think about that. That's that's a good Good comment Yeah, I'm gonna look into it

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Okay Well, I appreciate your work well Hey, thanks a lot

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Appreciate it, brother. God bless you. God bless you Have a great night. You too.

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Thanks All right. Hey, if you want to give me a call eight seven seven two zero seven two two seven six

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Let's see Jason from Arizona Jason. Welcome. You're on the air Hey Matt in first Peter one three when he writes about God caused us to be

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Regenerated I know that most non -reformed people

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They they view that as well We cause ourselves to be regenerated by believing first, but as reformed we know

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God is the one causing our rebirth. Can you expound on that? Yes, when people say we cause it ourselves

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It's think about the logic of it It's like saying when they believe that there is a quality to the ontological f essence of faith that has an effect on your soul and The automatic result of your faith.

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Is that this ontological essence? Now you're born again and this is a problem because it actually the foundation of sorcery where you do us a

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Physical thing here, you know say a words or whatever and a guaranteed spiritual result occurs.

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This is dangerous So what they're saying is they're taking credit for what God causes Now when you go to first Peter 1 3 the word there in the

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Greek is on again at all or on again at all And it means to cause to be born again to be get to be regenerated

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So when we get back, I'll look at the Greek a little bit more and explain some stuff So hold we got a break. Okay, buddy. Hey folks be right back after these messages, please.

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Stay tuned It's Matt slick live taking your calls at eight seven seven two zero seven two two seven six, here's

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Matt slick All right, buddy. Welcome back to the show. Jason. Are you still there?

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Yep, I'm here. Thank you All right Okay, so according to his great mercy he has caused us to be born again

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He has performed the action since the verb is on a good not.

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Oh which means to be get to be get again to regenerate and It's useless.

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Uh, yeah, there it is. And so to to be get okay more in the case case born again

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All right. So what the Greek is saying is the was called the aorist active participle

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Aorist is the past tense active is voice and in Greek Passive voices.

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I'm hit by the ball. I receive the action in Active voice

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I hit the ball. I perform the action. All right, so it says he that's

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God Has caused us okay has caused which is the aorist active

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Participle a participle is an ING word walking talking eating So what it's saying in the

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Greek here is that by his great mercy and it literally is has caused us

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To be regenerated to be born again because it's or you could also say it

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Without using the word caused but he has Then something born again

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But you have to have a verb in there because that's what it means to be get because it's a verb So you have to say he has begotten us or he made us begotten

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But he's the one doing it. We're not doing it ourselves. It's not passive voice So it's people come along and they say we do this ourselves.

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Then it would be in the passive voice We heat, you know, we cause ourselves he born again would be the passive voice

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That's not what it is in the Greek is active voice and the object there is God Himself So is

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God who's the one who is doing this and he is the one who makes us born again?

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So the once you've been telling you that Could not fight their way out of an exegetically wet torn paper bag if a chain was pulling them out and it was greased

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Okay So this just reinforces Reformed theology that you know,

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God is the one regenerating and in the Lord regenerates whom he will The Sun quickens whom he will it's not

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I believe and then I get this regeneration It's he regenerates me and imparts faith to me

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Exactly, right now when you say he imparts faith he grants that we have faith lipids 129 That's the heirs active indicative

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Which means he has brought it to us and he's the one causing us and granting that we believe and yet we do the believing

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When I show people this stuff They don't like it because they serve the blonde -haired blue -eyed

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Caucasian surfer Jesus Who's dressed in a woman's nightgown standing at the door of your heart asking permission for you and your wisdom?

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To figure it out and let him in so you can pay yourself in the group and back and say yeah

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I just don't my wisdom. Yeah So Matt doesn't this clearly show us

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That verse where what Paul wrote When the Lord says I will mercy whom

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I will mercy and I will harden who I will pardon It is not of him that runneth nor of him that willeth.

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It is entirely the Lord's decision through election to regenerate Exactly, correct as many people don't like it.

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That's what it says. You're quoting Romans 9 18 and this is what it says before that It says for he says to Moses, I'll have mercy on whom

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I have mercy all compassion on whom I have compassion So it does not depend upon the man who wills or the man who runs but upon God who has mercy the man not a group

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Of people that they like to say this is about representative groups of people. No the man and It says whom is in the

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Greek in the singular for he says to Moses. I'll have mercy on whom that's like saying the one

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Individual whom I have mercy on I'll have compassion on that one individual whom I have compassion on So it does not depend upon the man who wills or the man who runs

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It's what it says literally in the Greek but on God who has mercy for the scripture says to Pharaoh for this very purpose

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I raised you up to demonstrate my power in you and that my name I proclaim throughout the whole world earth

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So he raised up this individual named Pharaoh then is what you said Then he has mercy on whom there's that singular again his mercy on whom he desires.

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He hardens whom he desires You're quoting it and you're understanding it and furthermore just to say this

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There's a there's a statement afterwards. That's very interesting. You'll say to me then Well, why does he still find fault for who resists as well?

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It's a complaint Paul is anticipating a complaint. Well, that's not fair That means if if you understood what to the listeners if you understood what

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I was reading and you say well, that's not right That's not fair. Then you understand the text because Paul asked the same question not exactly those words, but he says, you know

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What is he'll find fault, you know, that's not fair That means you're in the standard text if you understand it, you got to believe it instead of rejecting it.

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Go ahead Amen. I will absolutely I do believe it and It's just like my physical birth.

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Obviously my mom and dad Caused my physical birth by their intimacy

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And yet somehow with spiritual rebirth most Christians who are non -reformed are thinking they're the cause of it

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Which is kind of an absurdity, you know, if you compare it to like our physical birth Mm -hmm.

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I believe that there's a rearing its ugly head in Reformed theology and not reform theology, excuse me and Protestantism as a whole is humanist philosophy and that's part of it

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It's part of it So I just just real quick for you go So when he says I will mercy whom

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I will mercy the reason why it's all on God's mercy is if he doesn't take the initiative to regenerate

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Someone and grant them faith then they're doomed We are all by nature children of wrath

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Ephesians 2 3 we're We're deadener trespasses and sins Ephesians 2 1 the hearts desperately wicked deceitful.

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No man can trust at Jeremiah 17 9 Isaiah 64 6 as a righteous teacher filthy rags before God Romans 6 14 through 20 says that the unbelievers a slave of sin in Romans 3 10 11 and 12

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It speaks of the unbelievers and it says that no one does good the Jews and the Gentiles is actually addressing

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No one does good. No one seeks for God and first continues to 14 But Paul says the natural man does not receive or accept the things of God for their foolishness to him

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He cannot receive them. So this is the condition of natural man of the unbeliever So God what he does is he intervenes and he brings him into salvation

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And that's why Jesus says in John 6 65. You cannot come to me unless it's granted to you from the

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Father Well people say today. No, it's up to me and my wisdom and my ability All I need and all anybody needs is just the right

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Information because we're wise enough and smart enough in and of ourselves and that contradicts scripture and it's humanist philosophy

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That's creeping into the truth. It's bad. And you know, that was so absurd. I listened to your debate with dr flowers and You had the patience of Job because like he would add words into scriptures

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I'm like, I can't believe he's doing this like when you told him It's been granted unto us to believe

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Philippians 129 and he said no the opportunity. What are you talking? It doesn't say opportunity of blatant.

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It says the act of believing has been given to us Yep, I remember that very well and I've quoted that so many times and I remember talking him thing.

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What are you doing? If you have to alter God's Word to make it fit your theology

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You've got a problem. What I'll do is I trick people and I don't mean a malicious way, you know

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I'll be talking to them, you know, they don't like the idea of God predestining people Or making them or whatever it is and I say well,

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I believe that God makes everything even the wicked for the day of evil I believe that and they go. No, he doesn't and they don't realize

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I just quoted Proverbs 16 for And I'll do this to the little man regularly and they disagree with God's Word And then when

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I pointed out the common response is that that's just your interpretation. No, it's a quote You understood exactly what it is and you reject

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God's Word Yeah, I'll call back next week next week

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Matt I have so many questions for you, thank you so much for today No problem. I'd love to answer him.

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I've been doing this for years answering these various kind of questions Okay, take care. So no problem.

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All right. God bless All right Let's get in here

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Michael from Oregon. Welcome. You are on the air Thank you very much, and I appreciate it

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My thing is that I need two things one I Have been trying to get ahold of you because Kenneth hopefully need to be put on your false preachers and teachers

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He is teaching the same thing. It's a Joyce Meyers saying that Jesus was born in Bethlehem Died and went to hell and became the firstborn of many

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Yep, and that we all can be firstborn He's on my list already have a list of it's called positive confession preachers and teachers list of heresies and he's on there

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Not only that he said, okay, cuz I was going through the preachers and teachers one

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I've actually been a follower years for many years. I was one that actually ordered your book when you had the books available

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I still have them available. Oh, yeah, your voice sounds familiar. Yeah Yep Was one that I ordered your book originally you had it in a binder pull that you could put it in.

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Yeah the mother of all But no he is he is teaching that you know people are that we can also become firstborn and it's like That's something that needs to be brought out because I'm you know

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I'm seeing a lot of people with you know, where he said that God is the biggest loser because he

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Lost his first man his first woman lost his anointed angel and it's like You know, why he's a fool in this because he's a fool.

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He really is. Yeah, he's a fool He also said, you know, he also said for God to work on earth.

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He has to be an agreement with a man So he has to be with a man, okay and Adam was much female as male about that right and Adam is a reproduction of God and Adam had the same size body as God earth is a copy of the mother planet

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Yes, he says heaven is a planet. It's a team team. Yeah, he doesn't know what he's when he couldn't argue He's way to have a wet paper bag the guy he's he's

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He's horrible Charles Capps is like really and oh, yeah, and Joyce Meyer is just like I said,

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I was going off of Joyce Myers and all them. They all teach the little God theology, which is part of the prosperity gospel or You know, there's another one.

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I can't think of the name of it right off the bat and it's like how are people buying this?

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Because they're you know, someone told me I forgot I'd be like what? Yeah Yeah, that Joyce Meyer said that Jesus stopped being the

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Son of God. He paid for our sins in hell Without believing Jesus went to hell. You can't be saved.

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That's she's preaching a false gospel right there Yeah, she gets revelation knowledge and she says that we can be called little gods

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Yes, and that's scary because that's that's the exact teaching of the devil He was the first one that tried that in Isaiah 14

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Yeah Yeah I tried making himself God and when it didn't work for him there Then he went and deceived him and even to believe in day could be just like God and the prediction carries

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But okay, I will do more research like I said, I was on your preacher teacher section and that's why

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I was like Oh Kenneth is not on this list You know update that because it is but it's

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I guess it's not in that particular exact location which means oops I gotta put that link in there, right?

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That's why I was calling cuz I'm like this is important because I want people to see Why not to follow these people?

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Yeah, I mean when I was a little kid, I used to watch I'm gonna say this I used to watch

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TV and faithfully and then I like got in the way I didn't then when I came back, I'm like, maybe that's why

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I didn't because they all teach the same thing That we are a little heresy. Look, okay.

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We're out of time because there's a music. We've got to go but call back tomorrow We'll continue. Okay. Have a blessed one. And thank you so much.

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You too. Make a blood Hey folks, we're out of time. May the Lord bless you by his grace back on here tomorrow, and we'll talk to you then