Why Hating on Jews is So Last Century: The Rise of the Spirit of Haman

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I know some of you are, some that are there, well, maybe not those that listen here because, but the regular listeners, but if you share this with friends, something tells me friends might not like this.

That's just a theory. We'll see. But we're going to deal with a topic of anti -Semitism.

And I have with me a fellow board member with me on the

Truth Fellowship Council. That is how I've, well, actually, I got to know

Dr. Russell Fuller through a mutual friend we have, John Harris, back when he was, well, being, shall we say, kicked out of teaching at this, you know, you know, do we want to get into that?

Well, during COVID, you know, there were strange things going on and wokeness going through seminaries and whatnot, even by people who claim that that wasn't happening.

And men who stood up for the truth paid the price and Dr. Fuller was one who stood up for truth, which those who are regular here, you know, that that immediately got me to be like, oh,

I like him. So being that, that's what we try to do here.

And that's what the Truth Fellowship is about. And so you may be new to Dr. Fuller.

And therefore, I'm going to let him first introduce himself. And before we get into this, and I'm going to tell you, he has, if you wanted to get seminary training, he's going to provide a way that you can get seminary training inexpensively and get good quality training at the same time.

None of the woke stuff in there. So, Dr. Fuller, welcome to The Wrap Report. It's great to be here.

Well, you and I were just down in Tampa together. You preached a sermon on anti -Semitism.

That was, I think, I think all of us on the board were begging you for your notes.

Would that be fair to say? I sent the paper to you. Yeah. And so we're going to go over that.

But first, just introduce yourself to my audience, people who may not know who you are, could learn a little bit more about you.

Yeah, I'm married to my wife, Donna, and we had three kids and we have seven grandchildren.

That's what's important to know. Yeah. And I, of course, I taught at a major seminary,

Southern Seminary, for 22 years. And I went to for my

Christian training. I actually went to rabbinic school. I went to Hebrew Union College in Cincinnati and also went to another one called

Dropsy College, which used to be in Philadelphia. So it is fair to say for my audience, who knows if anyone tuning in,

I'm from a Jewish background. It was funny because you and I in Tampa were sitting with John Harris and John had asked us whether we read the

Talmud. Yeah. And and I honestly could tell you that I didn't know another person that's

I don't know any anyone that's not Jewish that has read the entire Talmud. And so when you said you did,

I was like, wow, that's like, oh, I need to make a correction. Not the whole.

OK, not the whole. OK, I read some Talmud. Yeah, because the Talmud is a rather large.

It is an extremely large. That's right. It takes years to read.

And so, yeah, I was I was the and just some of the the things that you know, your knowledge of the

Talmud and Jewish thinking, I had known that you did quite a bit of study.

And so I think it was a great topic for you to cover with the conference on antisemitism.

And so when we were putting the conference together and we were putting the book together and I'll be mentioning folks more about the book as we were working on it.

I mean, we're in the final edits, but we we're putting a book together for the truth fellowship.

And we have a couple of chapters dealing with antisemitism. And originally I was like, well,

I should I should take those like, you know, and then I was like, you know what? I think I think, you know,

Russell could handle it a lot better. So but but yes, let's let's get into specifically with antisemitism.

Why? What? Well, let me ask, I guess, really, to get the history.

What got you into studying, you know, at a Hebrew university studying

Judaism? What is your your expertise when you were teaching at the seminary level?

Right. When after the Lord saved me,

I really wanted to study scripture. I had a really burning desire to know the scriptures. And I went to school and there

I was going to be a business major. But I saw these guys walking around with Greek New Testaments under their arm.

And I'm like, I would love to read that Greek New Testament. So I took Greek, really enjoyed it.

And I said, well, what's Hebrew like? And I took Hebrew and I'm like, oh, this is even better. And then

I started thinking, you know, I'd really like to do this stuff. I'd like to do Hebrew and Greek in particular. And so I was looking around at some of the great scholars in the past that I had a lot of respect for.

And this one strange school kept coming up, Dropsy College. And I'm like, what is

Dropsy College? And find out it's a Jewish institution in Philadelphia. It's no longer there. It's now part of University of Pennsylvania.

So my records are there now. By the way, I'll just say this. Mr. Annenberg, who basically a big philanthropist in Philadelphia, he first purchased it,

Dropsy College. And then when he decided to get rid of it, he just gave it to the University of Pennsylvania.

But there I was, I wanted to learn the language as well, especially

Hebrew and some of the other Semitic languages. And so there I went for a year.

But unfortunately, the school was going to close down because there was enough not enough students.

And so I ended up going to Hebrew Union College in Cincinnati. Now it's shut down.

Seems like every school I go to has been shutting down lately. Well, you know, I shut it down.

But the the area I was in shut down. Let's put it that way. School's still going on.

Maybe you and I are bad news because my seminary has shut down as well. Which is right.

They train us and they go, that's it. And I tell you what, I had such a great time learning

Hebrew and other Semitic languages and other things, too, from rabbis,

Jewish professors. They were great. They were great with me. And I couldn't have asked for anything better.

When it came to the languages, no one knew it like they did. I mean, they knew the language and their knowledge of their topics.

And the one thing they put in me that I really appreciate was they kept stressing to me,

Russell, whatever you study in life, you've got to know the fundamentals of that subject.

And then by the fundamentals, what they meant was primary sources. Mm hmm.

Yeah, there's secondary sources. And yeah, maybe you need to look at some of those sometime. But if you don't know the primary sources well, like the

Hebrew of the Old Testament, the Greek of the New Testament, and they just kept stressing that over and over again.

And I'm so thankful. So everything was primary scholarship with them, everything.

And secondary scholarship. Oh, yeah. You know, but it was all everything you had to argue was based on primary, not this professor says

X or this guy says Y, they didn't care. Can you show me from the text?

You are that text right there. Show me. And so their emphasis on the primary text was the greatest thing they taught me.

And I really like that. Yeah, it's I think one of the things I valued in my seminary was that we had to read both sides of every argument.

Mm hmm. And when I say read, I think I think the minimum was about 1500 pages of outside reading.

So you had to read like 1000 pages for the class, and then you had about 1500 pages outside of the required reading.

And so but you got to choose, but they gave you a list of books of both sides.

And so if people don't do that, it's extremely important. I remember

I heard so much about the book written by Martin Luther on bondage of the will.

Right. People are like, oh, Martin Luther just destroys Erasmus. So I wanted to read the book.

And but I figured, let me first read Erasmus. And ever since then, people will be like, oh,

Martin Luther destroyed Erasmus. And I always say, have you read Erasmus? And they're like, no,

I'm like, because if you read Erasmus, he spent the first 75 pages of his book,

Freedom of the Will, basically saying he has no idea why he's writing it. It's just everyone says that, you know,

Luther, I got to address Luther. So it's like he's writing this book, and he's just like, he's basically saying he doesn't really have hard views on this stuff.

And he's just, you know, it's like, I'm like, Erasmus destroyed Erasmus. It's not that Martin Luther did it.

He teed it up for him. But it is a thing where I think there's a lot of times people read things, and when they don't go and check the original source, because when you do that, you realize a lot of times the original source, the person took out of context.

I just used it on my Apologetics Live. I had a guy who's not a believer. And his whole idea is to question everything, if you keep asking questions.

And he sounds a lot like someone else that I remember reading, which is Descartes. And so many people look to Descartes, and they say, you know,

I think, therefore I am, and they think that's a proof that God doesn't exist. And have you read

Descartes? Because Descartes, actually, his whole thing was he kept saying, if I keep asking questions, asking questions,

I'll get to the ultimate answer. And he said, I think, therefore I am. That was his, that's what convinced him that there was a

God, because he knows he exists. The fact that he thinks that means he exists.

If he exists, there has to be a God. He couldn't explain thinking without God, which is a presuppositional type of argument, which is what

I was arguing for, right? Right. But I've seen so many professing atheists who use that, and it's like, but they've never actually read the source.

And the source says the exact opposite, right? So that's a very important thing to cover.

So you gave a, basically a warning about the rising, rise of antisemitism within the church, which,

I mean, it's been rising outside the church. I've been addressing this, you know, for the last three years, not heavily, but different times on this show.

Um, however, the way you did it was very interesting because you dealt with a text that,

I'll be honest, when I knew the topic of your message, but when you said this, you were talking about the spirit of Haman, and I went, how is he gonna,

I wasn't quite seeing how you were going to bring that together with what was going on in the church. And I was like, wow, when

I was done, and when those videos come out, I'll try to get, if the videos are out,

I'll try to link it to the podcast. But when you were done with that,

I went, wow, that is a perfect illustration. And I didn't see it going into it.

So first, let's start with what is the warning that you see? What is the danger you see with the rise of antisemitism?

And then we're going to eventually get to how Haman works into that. Okay. Um, you know,

I think it started more in the, political sphere, the antisemitism.

And here's the thing, just like with social justice, critical race theory, a lot of these worldly movements, you know, start in the university, the faculty lounge, you know, and what they do is they spread into the church.

And that's what was happening. That's what I saw is happening here as well. It's starting to spread into the church and with, when it comes to, let me just talk about the society right now.

You know, we have these ideologies and these ideologies match up real well with seeing

Israel as the villain. They, to some, on the left, especially, they see it as a settler colonial state, meaning they are coming in, settling and displacing the natives as it were.

And they see this as an apartheid state that has to be destroyed from the river to the sea as the statement goes.

Well, hold on, explain the meaning of that. Because, I mean, if people hear that and they don't understand what that act, they don't see that for what it actually is, that the meaning of it.

Yeah. When they talk about the river, they're talking about the Jordan River and the sea, they're talking about the

Mediterranean Sea. And what they're saying is basically from the river to the sea, the

Palestinian people need to be free of the Jewish oppression that they're under.

What they're saying is they want the, we'll call it the Holy Land or Israel, to be

Jew free. In other words, they want every Jew gone. And that's what they mean by the river to the sea.

So it's a little bit of a code saying we want every

Jew out of the land of Israel. And they don't necessarily mean displacement. No, they do not.

No, because, again, they would, the, you know, even if you go back to World War Two and Hitler is at the gates of Moscow and he meets with this imam in his, in the right chancellery, chancellery,

I'm not saying that quite right, in Berlin, and he's, you know, he's

Muslim. And he's afraid that the Jews are all going to come to, you know, the

Palestinian, Palestine mandate at the time. He's asking Hitler to help him out.

And Hitler says, yo, don't worry, we'll help you on that. And then he will help bring together some

SS units made up of Muslims in order to, again, liquidate the

Jews. So this is, yeah, they don't mind seeing another

Holocaust. It would be, I mean, Mein Kampf is being read in Hamas, you know, in Gaza, you know,

Mein Kampf was a book that was highly recommended. I wanted you to point that out because of the fact that for people to understand when they're saying, well,

Israel is committing genocide, while they're chanting from the river to the sea, the chant, the river to the sea is calling for genocide.

So when these white women, blue haired women sitting there on the streets, and they're chanting for Hamas, you know, and they're saying river to the sea, they have no clue as they hold a sign saying, we're against genocide.

Yeah, I mean, look, even if you go by Hamas's numbers, how many have died? You're still looking at a five figure sum.

You're not looking at over 100 ,000 people. Then you look over maybe to Ukraine and Russia.

I mean, the numbers there are off the charts. And yet nobody's complaining about that.

Nobody's, you know, but, you know, with Israel, whatever they do, they're held to a standard that's absolutely impossible.

It's true. We see politically, I think that this ramped up a lot after October 7th.

Politically, because you have people who just are going with whatever the wokeness tells them to, you know, whatever they're supposed to march for today, we're going for it, right?

Right. I mean, just just think about this today as we're recording this, because who knows what they're going to do in the future.

But today you have Greta Thornburg, the one who's made the news sailing across to come chastise

America for their oil. And we're going to we're going to be in a global crisis in 10 years.

Well, it's it's been 10 years now. And what is she doing? You need to release the oil from Iran.

I mean, don't tell me that they have actual principles. That's right.

And another issue that's very important is the immigration to America by Muslims.

Extremely. And this is why the Democratic Party, both their ideologies, because their ideologies, again, are they really look at Israel as a white oppressor state.

Then you have the immigration. And so where are the most of their votes going to come from? The Jewish people or the

Muslims? The answer is the Muslims, you see. And so the Democrats have, you know, basically abandoned

Israel. Other than maybe Fetterman, I really can't think of anyone who is even

Schumer, who thinks he's the great protector of Israel. No, he's not. But but now it's starting to eat its way into the

Republicans through people like Candace Owens, people like Tucker Carlson.

Tucker Carlson. And now Megyn Kelly. Megyn Kelly. That's correct. These folks.

And and now through the Groypers, Nick Fuentes and so forth, it's getting into churches.

I know a church not too far from my house here in Louisville where anti -Semitism is, you know, really on the rise in that church.

And the pastor has said to people, I'm not going to call them out. You know, I'm not going to call them out on this. And it's very sad, you know, and they're going the grouper route, a groyper route.

Excuse me. I need to say that right. And this is a great tragedy. If we understand scripture, and that's where I that's where I really want to go with my paper, of course, after setting up, showing you, first of all, that, you know, there's something called the

Christian New Right. They are completely anti -Semitic. And this is people like Joel Webben, J .D.

Hall, Andrew Asker, Isker, and even some of those guys like in Utah, I think

Eric Kahn, those kind of guys. And so the people on the New Christian Right, very anti -Semitic.

I mean, the stuff they say is just it's just awful. It's hard to believe that Christians can say the stuff that they're saying about Jews and Israel and so forth.

And but also in mainstream, let's say evangelicalism, you've got schools like Wheaton, Biola, Calvin, and they got professors who are very anti -Israel.

And so you see, it's there, it's there.

And it's making real heads. It's making real inroads into the church. And to me,

I think if you look at Scripture, what Scripture says about the Jewish people, even from a Christian perspective, it condemns this stuff in the strongest language you can imagine.

And if you'll do, we'll get into that. But that's what matters to me. What does Scripture teach us, you know, and say to us about how we should treat the

Jews? As Christians, and I think these guys, either for clicks, for popularity, because I mean, that's the hot thing right now.

Anti -Semitism, that's kind of cool. That's kind of cutting edge, you know, it's pushing the envelope and all those kind of words, you know, and these guys are becoming, they're getting quite a following on, you know,

YouTube and these other places. And but what they're saying is, to me, completely anti -Christian.

And so that's why I spoke out about it. And I'll continue to speak out on this issue. Yeah, I think that when this happened,

I, and you tell me what your thoughts are, how this crept into the church. I mean,

I think that there's probably some of the, you mentioned Tucker Carlson, Candace Owen, now

Megyn Kelly, and I do find something interesting with those three we mentioned, they were on, you know, on networks where they didn't have the complete freedom to say whatever they want.

Right. And now they have it. And maybe what they're doing is speaking to those paying the bills.

Yes. More than, you know, really having these concerns. I mean, that's not something that doesn't happen.

So is it probable? I mean, how do you have people that can radically change? I mean,

Tucker Carlson now seems far more sympathetic with, you know, Orthodox Islam than he is with Orthodox Christianity.

And he still claims to be a Christian. How do you make that transition? Is it just for the views?

I mean, or is it that there's, I mean, we know that he was, you know, being encouraged to come and live in Qatar.

And, but the fact that Al Jazeera, the Muslim news network, plays

Tucker Carlson. Oh, yeah. He sees a big audience growing. So this is more money coming in.

And he, you know, I think that what you saw, you mentioned something about with the

Democrats, when this war started, they, you know, there was a calculation, I think, that was made, because people were like, how could

Democrats, they depend on the Jewish vote. This always puzzled me growing up, was the reason so many

Jewish people would, especially the more liberal Jewish people, vote for the

Democrats is not because they believe what the Democrats' arguments are, or in their positions.

But I literally would hear often that, well, we vote for the Democrats, because if they need us, they won't do another

Holocaust. Huh, interesting. And I'm like, now

I'm looking at it now, I'm going, really? How'd that work for you? Because they were like, I think they did that calculation, because a lot of people were like, hey, in New York, they were saying, you know, you need that Jewish vote.

It's a big, you know, contingent. It's just that people didn't realize, yeah, but they let so many

Muslims in, that that Muslim vote is now bigger. Correct. And that's it.

And so I think, though, I can understand it in the world, as it comes in the church, I think what

I observed is guys that are, that got very into covenant theology.

Now, just for the record, I'm a dispensationalist. I don't believe you are. But so this isn't something that's on all covenant theology, but there were those who were, who seemed like they were trying to make an issue that there, like, there are no

Jewish, like, I've heard people say there is no Jewish people today. They don't exist. There is no

Israel. Israel's not God's chosen people. And so I think because of a theological reason, and I'm not saying that the covenant theology is right or wrong in this.

I'm just saying that I think some took that and started, you know, extrapolating views that I think are anti -biblical into, you know, to say, well, we are

Israel. And the Israel that's in Israel doesn't exist or shouldn't exist. And that's how

I saw it kind of start morphing in. I don't know how you saw it. How do you, how did you see it kind of start getting in?

Like, what do you think was the gateway into the church for the anti -Semitism?

You know, that's a good question. I don't know for sure, but if I had to guess, I think they saw the success of Tucker Carlson and Candace Owens.

And I think, and, you know, the Groyper movement and it's growing and they're sort of plugging in there.

So I think, I think it's money. I really do. I think at the end of the day, it's the cliques, the money.

I really believe that's what's driving it quite a bit. Now, theologically, what they want to do is they want to sort of scapegoat dispensationalism.

Oh, big time. Dispensationalism is why we have this problem of, you know, you've got to support

Israel no matter what they do. You've got to support the Jews no matter what they do, which that's not what I'm saying. That's not what

I mean. You can criticize Israel. I mean, it's not, I mean, but let's be fair.

I mean, let's not, when you say they're committing genocide. Are you kidding me?

They've gone to all sorts of ways of trying to protect non -combatants from being killed.

They could, I mean, we've even got, there's a guy at West Point who's one of the foremost authorities in urban warfare.

And Gaza is one of the most densely populated places on earth. And he reckons that the, it's like for every combatant, it's like a non -combatant and a half that's being killed.

He goes, this is unheard of. He goes, what Israel's doing, I mean, they're really trying to avoid, you know, killing civilians.

Yeah. But, you know, people don't want to hear him say that. You know, they wanted to say, no, it's genocide. They're murdering people.

They are not murdering people. And by the way, if the Jews wanted to do that, if Israel wanted to do that, by the way, they could nuke them if they wanted to.

Yeah. I mean, they could literally drop an atomic bomb on them. Well, they probably wouldn't, because that would blow back on them, literally.

Yeah, a little bit, a little bit. Yeah, if it wasn't too close. You get my point. They could annihilate those, and they could kill every last one of them.

Tell me any country you know that in war warns the enemy before an attack.

Oh yeah. Like we did. Like, I'm sure we sent all kinds of notices to Nazi Germany, but we were going to come bomb them by day and the

British by night. And here's what we're going to hit this time. And listen, we hit more houses than we hit businesses, you know.

Yeah. And if you go over to Japan, oh, LeMay, the way they were bombing

Tokyo and these places, I mean, they were, it wasn't even, you know.

Yeah. They were just taking out whoever they could take out. I mean, the way they went about warfare, it is so precise to, you know, think about, folks may have forgotten about this, when they went to the phones, the pagers.

Yes. I mean, so people don't realize that was 10 years in the making.

Yeah. 10 years to plan this out so that when they, if they ever needed to do it, the only people they would affect are the people who are the bad guys.

Correct. But yeah, I've heard Tucker Carlson say that was attacking civilians.

That was the most precision strike against leadership than Hezbollah.

No one, I mean, you couldn't do, you couldn't hardly walk up to him with a gun and do better. Maybe their son was standing a little bit closer.

That's right. No, it was, I think it was. That's pretty rare. There was, I think the issue is there was a daughter that was holding the pager.

Okay. So I think, but it was like one person. Yes. And she,

I don't think she died. If I remember correctly, she was injured, but you talk about precision.

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Okay, but that's enough of the politics. But yeah, I mean, it's coming in the church, however it's coming in, whether it's coming in through theological or maybe it's just that maybe you're right that there was people who are looking for the clicks, looking for the money.

I mean, look, when I found out Jordan Hall was tied into this, there was no doubt.

I mean, Jordan has been a clickbait hog as long as I've known him. He'll do anything to get attention for himself.

Okay. And he's a man who is disqualified from ministry and should not be out there doing what he's doing by his own admission.

Well, his own admission that he's disqualified. He just doesn't call this ministry. So he feels he's justified.

But the reality is that what you see is this is in the church. However, it worked its way in.

The concern now is, okay, we have this in the church. How widespread of a problem?

And because we want to get to your view of Haman, how does Haman play into this? So how widespread do you see this?

Is it affecting seminaries? Is it affecting mainline churches? And then what

I want you to do is transition into what you talked about with this spirit of Haman. Okay.

It's definitely in the mainline churches. The mainline churches are all anti -Israel, anti -Semitic.

They really are. So the mainline churches, they're very far advanced in this area.

I think in our evangelical churches, some are definitely influenced by this.

I think on the new Christian right, there's an influence and it's getting some of the younger folks.

But I still think if an election were held tomorrow, let's say, and I'm just going to use Trump, but let's say

Trump. Okay. If Trump is held, again, I still think he gets, even with all his support of Israel and so forth,

I still think Trump's going to get 80%, 70 % maybe of evangelical votes.

I don't think it's made in the evangelical community when it comes to,

I don't know how to describe them, the more moderate ones.

Okay. Yeah, it's infecting there a little bit. And then on the other end, with the new

Christian right. But I think a lot of folks are still pretty strong.

That's mostly older folks like me. The younger folks is who I really worry about.

It's the younger folks being influenced on these issues. But I think the church has got to be on guard.

It's just like social justice. It was a movement in the world, spreads into the church.

Well, this time it's another movement of the world spreading in the church. The reason I call it the spirit of Haman is because Haman, he didn't just hate

Mordecai. He wanted to kill all of Mordecai's people, the whole Jewish race.

And you can see a couple of times, like I mentioned in my paper in Psalm 83, it talks about another coalition that wants to completely destroy

Israel, completely wipe them out. And I really believe

I remember one time I was talking to one of my Jewish professors and somehow we started talking about, you know, sort of this issue.

And I looked at him and I'll never forget the look on his face because he's very liberal. Okay. He didn't believe the

Bible in any way. And he's a professor at a Jewish school.

And I knew I was going to shock him when

I was about to say, because he doesn't believe anything I'm about to say. When I told him, I said, sir,

I'm going to tell you, I believe Satan is behind this.

And the look of it was a look of shock. But, you know, I think he really thought about that.

And I think he sort of understood where I was. He didn't believe in Satan. But yet, how do you explain down through the years, the many times?

I mean, I could go through a little bit of a list with you of where they try to kill

Jews, I mean, like massacre Jews, pogroms and so forth, where they try to annihilate the

Jews. Now, think about this, Andrew. You've got the Jews are spread out all over the world after especially the

Bar Kokhba revolt around 125, 130 in there, you know, A .D. We're talking. They're scattered all over the world.

And yet people are trying to destroy them. They can't get destroyed. God won't let them. But yet, time and time again, people try it.

I think it's this. I think it's Satan. I honestly do. And I think right now what's going on in our churches,

I think it's the work of Satan. So I I call it the spirit of Haman. But I think it's demonic.

I actually think it's demonic. Now, I'm not saying you can't disagree. I mean, do I have my differences with liberal

Jews in America? Oh, yeah, sure I do. Do I have differences with Israel on certain things?

Of course. But do I hate them and want to see this happen to them and that?

No, no, not at all. And do I do

I see the Jews as somehow uniquely evil? No, I do not.

I do not. As a matter of fact, you know, they make up. I mean, there's how many

Jews are in the world is disputed because how do you define a Jew? Of course, but it's somewhere between 15 to 20 million.

That's in the whole world. And yet, you know how many

Nobel Prizes this little bit a group of people have won. And we're not talking about just peace prizes.

When I was young, my mother feared more than anything else, polio for me.

My brother -in -law had it. And his one of his legs looks like it came out of a concentration camp.

But there was two Jews. Sabin was one.

And he was from Cincinnati. That's the one I know better. But Jonas Salk, you know, two

Jewish guys were the ones who came up with a vaccine that, you know, that cured a plague that was a true plague on society, a true plague.

And why don't if we're going to criticize the Jews for this, that and the other, why don't we give them credit for this? Yeah. You know, people that they saved from,

I mean, terrible, that was polio's terrible stuff. Yeah. And when you think of what the

Jews have done in society, it's remarkable. Absolutely.

For a small people like that. I got a friend, he's a big medical doctor in America.

And one day he told me, he goes, it's amazing how many Jews are doctors.

You know, my first doctor when I was a baby, Jewish, you know, great doctor. You know,

I appreciate that. You know, I really appreciate this. You know, they are being very productive in society in a positive way.

Now, can we find Jews that, you know, Bernie Madoff?

Oh, yeah. Yeah, absolutely. Can we find George Soros?

George Soros. That's the one I was going to mention next. Who happens to not only be

Jewish. He's a Holocaust survivor. Whose family were Nazis. How about that?

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Nazi party. Wow. So, yeah, I mean, I had a book growing up.

I used to love to read that my dad gave me. It was called They Were All Jews.

And it went through a history of different Jewish people that made major impacts in the world to say, look, everyone's like, oh, they're the worst ever.

And look at all that they've done. Yeah. People don't want to. It's interesting.

I had several people that said to me on social media that Israel doesn't deserve to exist.

Oh, Lord. And I asked, you know, and they try to make it sound like it's a biblical,

God's not, you know, there is no Israel anymore. It's the church and da, da, da, da. And I go, OK, does

America deserve to exist? Does the UK deserve to exist? How come you only have this for one, you know, country?

Yeah. And it's like, well, you know, they didn't have the land. There was no Palestinian.

Like, I say this all the time. There was no Palestinian country. There's no language, Palestinian language before 1948.

Every Jewish person living in the land that we call Israel today, every single

Jewish people lived in that land before 1948 were called Palestinians. Right, right.

So which Palestinians are we talking about? Because, you know, and it's like, well, well, they forced everyone to move.

Yeah, that's right. Israel did force people to move. They went into Gaza and forced

Jewish people out of Gaza because of a peace deal. Yes, they did. That's who got physically moved.

Now, it's like, well, but but then they forced others into Gaza. Hey, the peace deal went both ways.

They could go blame the you know, those in God that wanted Gaza to be that way because Israel was fighting it.

Israel at one time offered Egypt, Gaza, because we don't want any part of that.

Yep. Like, I wonder why. Yep. So as we think about Haman.

Yes. Do you you used him as kind of the central figure?

Yeah. In your your as you were giving us the warning of anti -Semitism today.

Correct. What is it we can learn from the account of what happened with Haman that we that how does that then bring us into today with what we're seeing in the church today?

That's right. Here's a man who, again, wanted to annihilate the entire Jewish people.

Now, a lot of people, when they talk about the book of Esther, will mention that, you know, God's not mentioned in that book.

And that's true. He's not. But he's there. By the way, Satan's not mentioned either, but he's there, too.

OK. And notice what God does. God, working through his providence, makes it where,

OK, the Jews can defend themselves. And so it was the enemies of the Jews that are actually going to perish at the end of it.

And, of course, you know how he perishes. He perishes on the scaffold that he was building for Mordecai.

And so the Lord protected the Jewish people. There, as he's done through the ages.

Again, let me say something, Andrew, because especially the Puritans, they saw it so clearly. The fact that God has preserved

Israel, the Jewish people, scattered all over the world for 2 ,000 years.

Name me another group that that's happened to. No one. I can think of a group. It was a group of Syriac speakers.

That's a form of Aramaic in Lebanon. And when in Lebanon they messed it up, they had a big influx of Muslims.

I hate to say it that way. And they went to Europe. They left.

They fled for their lives, went to Europe. And within two generations, they're pretty much all gone.

We don't know where those people are anymore. Within just two generations. And groups, it's very,

I mean, I don't know of another in world history. Show me a small group like the

Jews scattered all over the world. And somehow, as one of the

Puritans said, they're like shattered into 1 ,000 pieces, but not one piece is lost.

That's right. And now God's gathering them back in to the land.

The Puritans didn't see that coming, but I think they would be, they were so amazed that they were existing in their time, that the

Jews, because they saw it clearly. If they could see God bringing them back in their land like they did,

I think they would go. I mean, they just couldn't believe it. By the way, none of those people, none of the Puritans were dispensational.

Not one of them. Yeah. Okay. And they loved Israel because they thought, and I say Israel, I mean the

Jewish people, because they saw, look, with the conversion of the Jewish nation, there's going to be a revival that the world has never seen before.

Look what Paul says, you know, in Romans 11, you know, what will their acceptance be? But life from the dead, he says, you see.

And so they looked forward to the conversion of the Jewish people. So let me tell you, in the

Puritans' time, you know, there was, when they overthrew the crown and Oliver Cromwell was running

England. And there was a rabbi in the

Netherlands who was saying, hey, would you let the Jews come back into England? And of course,

John Owen, one of the great Puritans, was the chaplain to Oliver Cromwell.

And he said, hey, let them back in. We've got to get them converted so we can get the revival going, you know.

And the Jews had been out of England for 360 years.

But under the Puritans, they're put back in, you see. And, you know, after that, think about it, how blessed

England was from that time, basically through World War II, you know, greatly blessed country.

Now they're going in a different direction. It's completely different right now in that country.

And very sad. But again, the spirit of Haman is what I call anti -Semitism.

And I defined it, and again, it was just a very basic definition. It's just hating the Jews for being Jews or for existing, you know, like Haman, you know.

And it's so sad that these people hate the Jews. And I hear things like Andrew Isker comes out and says, they have the biggest gay pride parade in the world.

That is just demonstrably false. Or he'll say things like they have one of the highest abortion rates.

That's one of the most false. I mean, again, he's got it exactly. They say these things.

They don't even know what they're saying. They have no clue what they're saying. And if you'll do just a little bit of research, you'll see that many of these stereotypes that people are saying the

Jews about this, the Jews about that, do some real research and you'll find out that this is nonsense. This is lies.

Well, this gets back to how we started with doing the original research doing. That's right. I mean, this is and it's not easy.

This is what I do when I when I work on things is to do original source research. It takes way more time.

Oh, it does. Because, you know, I think back to there was a guy who wrote an article claiming that John Piper was a heretic, that he believes in work salvation.

And this paper was being it. Last I heard was translated in 12 languages.

This was this was the guy was just suddenly got attention and was loving it.

And I said, look, you call someone a heretic and you got it's got to be really clear.

You know, like and there's this is like no one else is claiming this, but everyone credits this this guy.

And I talked to the author and he's like, well, you got to do the research. I said, you know, look, for me to put the time in, it's going to take me like at least 30 hours, you know.

So I ended up putting it in. I said I wanted all the sources of the books he had read, where he everything that he used to get.

So I read all those books from Piper. He had quotes in this paper that I ended up I have in my logos.

I have all of Piper's, you know, sermons and books that, you know, they have, everything that they had.

I searched. There's like things they have he this guy had in quotes. I searched everything

Piper said. And there's a quote there that it didn't he didn't the guy didn't cite it, but it says

Piper believes, quote, works are necessary to earn salvation, unquote.

I said, where is that from? I could not find that in anything goes. Well, that's what he meant.

I'm like, no, no, no, no, no. You cannot put it in quotes and say that's what he meant. The closest

I could find was works are necessary for salvation. And he's talking about sanctification works.

Right. Yeah, I understand. No, granted, you know, Piper likes to be nuanced. So he, you know, but when you actually do the study, you realize, oh, where was

Piper quoting with all that stuff? Well, if you know, Piper, his dissertation was on on Jonathan Edwards.

And you go back to Jonathan Edwards, and he was debating with people who were arguing for works based salvation within Christianity and a lot of Piper's languages coming from Edwards.

And so, you know, when you start looking and Piper is addressing, you know, the modern day version of that with people that are arguing that, oh, you know, we should really have, you know,

I just lost his name. The guy that he was debating on it that is trying to argue for works, works salvation.

So like Piper's arguing against it, you're saying he's really promoting it. Right. But when you do the original source, it's like, wait, you made it up.

You can't say that's what he meant when everything he said is opposite that. Right.

But hey, oh, look, it's working. Like, literally, he was like, he literally, the author literally said to me,

I can't be wrong. This is so many people have downloaded this and said this has helped them so much.

I this is being translated into 12 different languages now. I'm like, and it's called it biblically.

It's called slander. Yeah. You know, I mean, if you don't like what

Piper says, I have no problem with that. I don't I'm not a big Piper fan, but I'm not going to call my heretic.

Yeah, Andrew, let me say this. I'm talking about the spirit of Haman. And what

I do in my paper is I contrast it with the spirit of Paul and Jesus. And I think it's important I do this real quick.

You know, if you read the first few verses of Romans 9, Paul says that I would, if he could, become a curse, that God would basically curse him and his soul in hell for all eternity if Israel could be saved.

That's the spirit that we need toward the Jewish people to, you know, think about what

Paul was doing there. You know, I would wish my soul to be condemned in hell for all eternity if the

Jewish people would just come to the Lord. That's not the spirit of Haman right there. You know, that's the

Christian spirit toward the Jews. And really, you know, it's like our loved ones. We want to see them come to the

Lord. We want to see the Jewish people come to the Lord. We want to see all of us come to the Lord. When you listen to the people, especially the new

Christian right, I've never seen people enjoy damning people as much as they do.

And I'm like, how in the world? Have you seen some of the sinless perfectionist street preachers?

They enjoy it. That's true. I'm sorry. Some of those guys can do it, too.

And, you know, and then Christ, you know, he weeps over them.

He loves his people. And even after crucifixion, he, beginning with Jerusalem, you know, starting with the

Jewish people and with Paul, you know, to the Jew first and to the Gentile, you see. And so Jesus had a love for his people.

You know, many times the scriptures will say he was moved with compassion. And so, again, it's and then

I hear these people, they spew this just Jew hatred.

And I'm like, that's not the spirit of Paul. That's not the spirit of Christ. That's not the spirit.

But see, they'll grab on to, you know, Matthew 23, where Jesus is condemning the Pharisees. See, there it is right there.

You know, well, yeah, he is. But look, do you not think that Jesus had come today and look at every major denomination and basically put the same thing he said to the

Pharisees on those people right now? No, he could. And but he loved his people, you know, and even when he was on the cross,

Lord, forgive them for they know not what they do. He's making intercession for them, even on the cross.

This is the spirit as Christians that we need. This is the spirit of the Holy Spirit, you know, not the spirit of Haman that demonizes damn, you know, enjoys damning, demonizes and dehumanizing these people.

They're not even Jews. Are you kidding me? This is a this is an old conspiracy theory about the

Khazar hypothesis, you see. And even like even

Martin Luther, he saw them. No, they're real Jews. They're the brothers of our Lord, he says, and the

Puritans, too. And they knew about that Khazar stuff. I mean, that stuff was already out there. They didn't believe a word of that stuff.

They recognize them for exactly what they're Jewish. And I have to do, of course, there's today we have genome studies, you know, on, you know, on the on people named

Owen, for instance, and their relation together and so forth. So you have that, but also you have linguistics.

So you have something like Yiddish. You have something like Ladino, you see, which is a

German, but yet with Semitic influences. And what do you get of Semitic influences? You know, there's only one way you get it, you know.

And look, I can show you Hebrew from the biblical period, the Mishnaic period,

Middle Ages with Rashi and all these guys. It's Hebrew, my friend. And there's been a stream of Hebrew going all the way back to Moses, basically, to modern

Hebrew. And it's pretty much an unbroken chain. Now, is the Hebrew of modern Hebrew the same as biblical?

No, of course not. And neither is English the same going back to the time of Elizabeth. OK, Elizabeth the first, not the second.

And so it's the same Hebrew. It's Hebrew. Let me tell you, it is

Hebrew. And so how do you put it this way? If what they were doing was a conspiracy, it's the greatest conspiracy ever concocted.

So anyway, there you go. You know, you mentioned the genetics, and I do have to give a warning against that in just the sense of you do have, you have like 23andMe and companies like that, that do this genetic research.

Yeah. There is, I think it's Ancestry .com,

I think is the one that is under the Mormon church. Now, one of the arguments made is they'll go to, they look at what

Ancestry does. And if you do your genetics at Ancestry, I can almost guarantee you are going to be some portion

Jewish. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But there's a theological reason for it, because they, the

Mormons think everyone has to, they can't be, everyone has to have a little bit of Jewishness so that they could be, you know, in the temple, right?

And so even, I mean, I find it funny because there was, I met a woman, her family is far back as they know, we're all in China.

She was the first one to leave China, but she was one 14th

Jewish. And I'm like, yeah, so I'll give you the warning there, but you make a really important point with the fact of Jesus called out very harshly to the religious leaders of his day who should have known the scriptures, did know the scriptures, and purposely misleading people in a man -centered religion versus the woman at the well.

Correct. Or others that you brought up as examples of people who were not, Jesus took care of them so that they would come to know

Christ, they would get saved. That's an important distinction that you made. And if you watch even some of the

Pharisees, he'll go have dinner with them too. You know, they get on to him for, you have dinners with, you know, sinners and so forth.

Well, guess what? He goes into the house of Pharisees as well, and he's witnessing to them as well.

And so as much as he goes after some of the, and by the way, you have people like Nicodemus, he was

Pharisee. You know, look what the Lord did in his life. Yeah. And many

Pharisees and Sadducees will come to Christ. They do. And so Paul, how about that guy?

He was a Pharisee of the Pharisees and never a better missionary than that guy.

He's Jewish going to Gentiles. And I make a big point about this in the paper, and I do want to get this across.

Paul says very clearly that the root bears you, Gentile Christians.

You don't bear the root. There's so much as Christians we owe to the Jewish people.

The Old Testament is written by Jews, 100%. And then Paul will say in Romans chapter three, verse two, that God entrusted to them the oracles of God for safekeeping.

The Old Testament's in everybody reads. It's because of what he entrusted that to the

Jews. You thank them. Thank you for the Old Testament, you know?

Yeah. No. But you're not saying with that, just to be clear for the people who want to misconstrue everything, because that's what they want to do.

You're not saying, and I would say, just because God has used

Jewish people through history, doesn't mean they're perfect. Doesn't mean they're sinless. Doesn't, you know, because that's the argument.

It's like people say, like, if Israel does, the nation does anything wrong. Yes. Then see, that's proof of their argument against Israel.

Yeah. Does America ever do anything wrong? Does France do anything? Like, why don't you have this standard for anyone else?

And I'll tell you what, Israel will be, I tell you what, when

Israel came as a country in 48, of course, they immediately entered into a war.

They were attacked by Egypt and many other countries, and somehow they beat them. I don't know how.

It was a miracle of God, in my opinion. And remember, there was less than half a million Jews in the land at that time.

Now, by the way, there are over 10 million. You can see how much abortion they're having. You know, and by the way, they're having a baby boom right now over there.

And this is before the October 7th. See, they were having a baby boom. And by the way, the

Palestinian population has grown by leaps and bounds under Israel. Think about that for them, for people who are trying to oppress and so forth, explain how the

Palestinian population has exploded since 1948 under Israel domination. They're really being mistreated.

All right. No, but if you go back, what would happen sometimes is the

Palestinians would do a slaughter into a Jewish community, and it would happen the other way around as well as revenge back and forth.

And Israel, I saw it one time, and I could probably find the video again, where Ariel Sharon, who will later become a prime minister of Israel, and he was a famous general, especially in Yom Kippur.

He admits it. He goes, yep, I led a raid that, you know, slaughtered people. It was a revenge one.

But he goes, yeah, we killed civilians. We killed people. And look, he's being honest.

He's telling you straight up. And I'm like, you know, the Lord is going to hold him accountable.

But I'll tell you one thing. He's being honest about what happened. And he's not trying to play games.

He's saying, hey, these things happened. And to me, a good comparison is

Northern Ireland, slaughters on both sides. And really, what brought about the peace over there?

They had a hard time killing the IRA people, but they found out where their relatives were.

They started killing their relatives. Well, their relatives didn't have anything to do with it. That brought them to the peace table.

Yeah. This world's a pretty nasty place, let me just tell you. When you learn some of this stuff,

I mean, they were killing, you know, let's go kill his children. Let's go kill his, you know, mother and father.

That's the way life really is. And you don't hear anybody talk about that much. Over there, they will talk about the troubles, you know?

Yeah. Yeah, well, it's, yeah, it's, I mean, you can end up seeing that October 7th.

They didn't, Hamas didn't target the religious leaders, the governors, they targeted a bunch of people that were just at, they were at a rave, which is some sort of music party, right?

Now, I find it interesting here in America, where everyone's promoting Hamas, when the reason they went to Tel Aviv is because that is where they were having the largest, you know, homosexual community in Israel.

So they, so all these liberals that are for homosexuality here in America, and they're for Hamas.

Why did Hamas do what they did, where they did it? Was because of the homosexuality.

And they want to say, oh, Christians are white, are against. We want to convert homosexuals.

They want to kill them. And we're the bad guys, like. So, so let's talk about quickly what you're doing now.

You, you decided, you know, you really like wokeness. And so you'd stay as a seminary professor at a school.

No, you didn't. You are doing something a little bit different right now.

And getting people educated at a seminary level without the, so much of the expense.

And you're doing something that is, shall we say, not traditional. But I, I think that I personally think would be more in line biblically, which is getting people,

I think we, we talked very briefly about this. I, I've, I've shared that.

I think the way we hire pastors is not biblical. I think that pastors should be hired from within the church.

And the argument always is, well, how are they going to get trained up? Well, the church should be training people at a seminary level.

No, not everyone's going to gravitate toward that. Fine, but train up those who want that.

You're doing something that can train people up and keep them in their local church so that they can serve within that church as a pastor.

So let's talk about what, you know, the very, very creative website, folks. If, you know, do not think that Dr.

Russell Fuller is not creative. I mean, when he thought of a website to direct people to, he came up with RussellTFuller .com.

I mean, the creativity of this man knows no bounds.

Yes, I know. There's a story behind it, but you don't want to hear it. But, but yes, what

I do is I teach basically this, the core curriculum of a seminary. At a very affordable price.

As a matter of fact, you name your price and we can basically meet your budget.

This is not just for a money -making organization. We don't, you know, the Lord's helping me.

He's supplying for me. And especially like a church, you know, you have a good pastor.

He can train you. And I think pastoral training should be a lot like an apprenticeship, where you're really learning how to minister to people, you know, with your pastor.

And you're learning, hey, this is the way it's done. You know, this is how you really minister to people and so forth.

Matter of fact, I had a plumber over today. And again, he had an apprentice with him. You know, they were correcting what the apprentice did last time they were here.

But that's the way it needs to be. Now, sometimes your pastors don't know the Greek and the Hebrew. Well, I can help you with that.

And then we teach, again, what I call the core. So like systematic theology, biblical theology, books of the

Bible, the book of Jeremiah, Esther, whatever, Romans and so forth.

And then I have another man who works with me. Tom Rush used to be a trustee at Southern Seminary as well.

Tom has done almost everything you can imagine in ministry, from being a chaplain in the military to being a pastor, an evangelist.

He's done it all. I mean, I don't know anything he hasn't done. So he teaches a lot of our ministry courses.

But he's teaching Bible as well. And I have one other guy that works with me. He does most of my history. And he does

Bible with me as well. He does language with me as well. And right now, just to give you an idea, we're doing a course on the

Christian life. And we're going through John Bunyan. But we're not just reading Bunyan's Pilgrim's Progress. But what we're doing is, we'll read the

Pilgrim's Progress, but show the biblical support or the foundation behind it, you see.

And so it's sort of really a practical Christian growth theology is what we're doing through Bunyan.

And so, you know, that's the kind of things we do. And if you want to, just contact me.

But you'll put my email perhaps in the... Well, let's see, is there a contact? Let me look.

Is there a contact page on your website? There's a signup page. Yeah, there's a signup page. It's on there somewhere.

My... Yeah, there is. Let's see. And what you can do is...

And by the way, I have students 80 years old. So I mean, there's no...

And by the way, I don't do tests. Now, I set things up where you can test yourself. Because I'm not...

What's the term? I'm not accredited. Though I taught at accredited school for 22 years and another one for so many years.

So I have the accredited degree. Don't worry about that. But this late in life,

I'm not going to go out and try to get accreditation. It's not worth it. So you do have to keep that in mind. If you really need accreditation, then this is not going to help you.

It can still in one sense that if you know your Greek and Hebrew well, you can probably test out.

But again, probably you'd have to talk to whatever center you want to go to. But...

So there's no test. There's no papers. You're going to hear me lecture. We have some discussion, but not a lot.

I have a lot of the classes I've already taught. They're all on video.

So you can watch them at your time, whenever it's convenient for you. And... If you want to,

I'll give you... Watch these and see what you like. If you like it, join us. If not, that's okay.

And so, you know, there's nothing you don't... There's nothing... Put it this way. You're not putting any money in my hands or at all.

I'll give you a sample of what I do. You can even sit in a class for a while if you want to. And we can make it work for you.

And if it's beneficial to you, you don't need to be a Sunday school teacher. And you just want to learn more about the

Bible. Yeah. And you don't have to take Greek and Hebrew. And a lot of my courses, you don't have to know one

Greek or Hebrew. Or you don't have to have any seminary training at all.

Just come and enjoy and just see if it's for you. And I think you'll enjoy it. And if you join us, fine.

If not, hey, that's okay, too. Yeah. So I'll put your email for folks to contact. Yeah, great.

You do have it on the website under the different instructors.

Okay. I do know Tom Rush a little bit. I went to spoke at an event with him some years ago.

And he has really endeared to him. He and I just sitting over a meal with another young man that needed some counsel.

And the two of us were just counseling him over dinner. And just the kindred spirit that just I mean, he and I did not know each other.

And just as we just had a burden for this young man. And it was just like,

I still reflect back to how God's providence, how we just synced very well in the council, just worked off of what each other was saying.

And as if we were friends for years. And really what it is, is we just got all our information from the same source.

Yeah, that's exactly right. You know, that's so well, Dr. Fuller, it's always great.

Spend some time with you being here. I hope that folks will take advantage of the training that you're providing.

Look forward to getting our book out. The Truth Fellowship Shepherds Must Speak is the title of it.

Actually, I have it here. And I'm doing final. I'm doing the final some of the final edits on it.

And so hopefully we will have that out shortly. Let me say one more word if you don't mind.

No, of course. There's a great verse again in Romans 11 that I think I want to leave you with this.

Paul talks about he says, you know, from the standpoint of the gospel, their enemies and by that he means they're not accepting the gospel.

And he goes, but with respect to the fathers, they are beloved of God.

And so they're still beloved in the sight of God. There's a sense in which that's true. They're still the people of God in a sense.

That's true. And I think it's important for us to recognize that they're still beloved of God.

And what we want to do is help them to remove that veil, you know. And so we as Christians, again, need to be recognized.

Again, we're indebted to them in so many ways. And Jesus, the Jew, the apostles are

Jews. I mean, come on. Well, I don't know. Some people are doubting that now. I know, but that's just that's that's that's that's beyond reality.

That's just for clicks. I'm sure that's that's beyond the Twilight Zone. Yes. I mean, Joe Webben was agreeing with I forget.

I don't know. I don't remember the guy who he was talking to. I don't know if the guy even professes to be a Christian, but Joe Webben claims to be a pastor.

Oh, yeah. And he's agreeing with the guy that Jesus wasn't Jewish. I know. I know. I mean,

I can't believe. But but but it doesn't mean that everything

Jake Shields, Jake Shields. That's right. And the only Jake Shields I know is an MMA fighter.

So I don't know if it was him. Oh, was it? Yeah. Yeah. But now instead of fighting, he's hating on the

Jews for some reason. OK, interesting. Well, I know this.

I know my skills and I've seen his skills. And I know that I'd just rather have a verbal argument with him and not.

Yeah, that's true. That's true. We're not we're not going to I'm not going to. Yeah, that's right. I know. I know where I'll win and I know where I definitely won't.

Them being beloved of the of the Lord. I think we ought to be careful about hating them.

Well, we shouldn't we shouldn't be hating anyone. Exactly. And I think the thing is, is that, you know, just because they are the you quoted the verse where I've heard it thrown in my face.

Well, Jews are the enemies of God. Well, but God still has a love and care for them.

Correct. He puts he brains on the just and the unjust. So we don't have a right to to hate on people just because of their.

Rejection. Well, I want to say race, because that's sort of the the mindset that people have because of their ethnicity.

That's called racism. And the Bible speaks very much against another one race, the human race.

I just went to I had to go for a see a doctor. I think you knew from when

I was there in Florida. I pull I tore my meniscus and they they had the the form you fill out for race.

You got a bunch of check marks. One is other. I check other right in human. And so there was a lady that was filling out the form.

She's always she was like, that's funny. I should do that. But there's only one race. But but the thing is, like, by saying that we think

God has a love for the Jewish people does not mean that everything they do is sinless or right, or that they have some special blessing that is, you know, look, they just like you might have a child that maybe you have a wayward child.

You still love that child, even if that child is doing things purposely, even to to show their rebellion to you as a parent.

You still love that child as your child and hate everything they're doing.

That's right. You know, in John, it talks about he came to his own in his own and receive him.

But then it says also in that same area, he came into the world that he created and the world rejected him.

And so we got to keep that in mind as well. But, yeah, what you're saying is absolutely correct. You know? Yeah.

And so it's like we're it's just like we want to be compassionate to the lost, whether they're the lost

Gentiles or the lost Jews. Yeah. And it's not again, it's not that Israel can never do wrong.

We've got to back Israel all the time. No, America needs to do what's in America's interest. Israel needs to do it in Israel's interest.

But let's not hate them for simply being Jews and treating them in a way that is just, in other words, a sinful partiality about them.

You know, and one of the reasons that we're addressing this, we were at our national meeting.

Just that's what we're doing down in Tampa just this past month. And so and I encourage you guys to check out the the truth fellowship dot org.

OK, you have to have the the in front of it because there's a different truth fellowship that's out there. But if you go to the truth fellowship dot org, you can learn more about what we're doing there.

But at our national conferences, when we we have our board meeting and we met and one of the things that I was the one to bring up because I like bringing up elephants in the room and I don't

I don't have an issue like challenging. And, you know, but we have certain certain if you go to the truth fellowship dot org, you'll see our distinctives and we have some distinctives about Israel.

Now, many of the board members are dispensational, but not all. We don't require people to be dispensational.

We don't have to be pre -mill or things like that. But I brought up the question, say, do we really, you know, if we make this distinctive of Israel, people are going to be thinking dispensationalism and that may limit who would partner with us.

And it was interesting because I, you know, I realize I'm the the Jewish guy, right?

I'm the one that's that was raised Jewish. But I felt like I wanted us to have that discussion to make sure we're all in the same mind.

I have no problem with speaking in favor of Israel being both raised

Jewish, being a, as you mentioned, a Kohine, you know, being, you know, a dispensationalist.

But I want to make sure we as a board are of the same mindset. And it was really interesting discussion because the discussion had nothing to do really with the theological issues of Israel as much as it was.

Look, the truth fellowship wants to stand up for truth. And when it was a social justice was the issue that was attacking the truth of God's word.

We stood up for that. Now, antisemitism is standing up against God's word, and we need to stand up for that.

And there's going to be something else coming. Well, at this rate, maybe next week, we'll stand up for that too.

Because really what I heard from the men was we need to be standing up for the truth wherever that is.

And that's what the truth fellowship is trying to do. So I thank you for coming on.

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