May 5, 2026 Show with David Arthur on “The Testimony of a Male Prostitute Who Was Saved by Jesus Christ”

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My friend, Pastor Matt Trujillo, who is the pastor of the congregation known as the

Mercy Seat Christian Church in Heartland, Wisconsin, he informed me about an event that he is having later this month with a brother in Christ who has an absolutely remarkable story to tell.

His name is David Arthur, who was once enslaved to homosexuality and Satan's deception that he was transgendered for 30 years and then was saved by the grace and mercy of the

Lord Jesus Christ. He's going to be telling his testimony of a male prostitute who was saved by Jesus Christ from the satanic lies of transgender and the

LGBTQ movements, and how God continues to preserve his life with AIDS.

And it's my honor and privilege to welcome you for the very first time ever at Iron Sharpens Iron Radio, David Arthur.

Well, thank you very much for having me. It's a pleasure and an honor. And before we even get into your testimony, please tell our listeners about the date that you will be speaking at the

Mercy Seat Christian Church in Heartland, Wisconsin. So I will be at Mercy Seat on May 20th at 630 p .m.,

May 20th, 630 p .m., that's a Wednesday. And if anybody wants to find out more about that and how to get to the

Mercy Seat, go to mercyseat .net, mercyseat .net,

and God willing, I will be repeating that later on in the program.

Well, this is an issue that baffles and mystifies many people.

There are all different stories about people who claim to have been transgendered, and they're not all the same.

There are some people who were and are not homosexual and yet are transgendered who believe that they are of another gender, trapped in the body that they do not belong in.

And in your story, you were both a homosexual and someone who had gender dysphoria or believed you were a woman.

So why don't you start at the very beginning of your childhood when you think this story begins in your life?

So my story starts with my father taking his life just before I was born, and that set my course, really.

I longed for male validation as a young boy, and surrounded by women, and I was—let me just say that—put a target on my back, and put a target on my back for some very bad people.

And so I was targeted, I was desensitized, and I was sexualized by men in my life, be it a family friend, trusted adults at that, two teachers, one of those teachers was also a guidance counselor, a friend's father, a neighbor, and that list goes on and on.

By 10 years old, I really just was starting to dissociate from self.

And in that process, I was also becoming what I now just claim to be a sex addict.

I was longing for sexual contact. This is how young were you?

I was probably 10 years old, 11 years old. I was cutting school. I was hanging out in—we were in South Jersey at the time, and I was hanging out in public bathrooms on the boardwalk, just waiting for some pervert, basically, to come along.

At 10? They always came along at 10. That's amazing. Sitting in public bus stops. Because even as a heterosexual 10 -year -old,

I don't think that I was longing for sexual activity with girls at 10.

I can't remember exactly how young I was. Go ahead. I associated sex with love.

That was male affirmation to me. That was male validation. So those men to me were being father figures in my eyes.

And by the age of 13, I overdosed on pills, which

I was the baby of four, and that put my mother at her wits' end with me. So she said,

I have to get out of South Jersey, and she took me to Pennsylvania. And we ended up in Philadelphia at a family friend's house.

And she said to me—I was 14 years old—she said, I had a son.

I did not have a daughter. Your name is David. You cannot be Paige or any of these other names you're coming up with for yourself.

I can't find women's clothing in your book bag or makeup hidden in your room.

You can't do that under this roof. So I ran away from home. And I was 14 years old.

Did your mom know about the actual sexual activity? I don't think that she did.

By that point, she did. When I overdosed on pills at 13, I blacked out and really spilled the beans and told her everything that had been going on for years.

And that's why she just snatched me up and took me out of the state to where she thought was going to be a better place for me.

For me, it was out of the frying pan and into the fire, because Philadelphia compared to South Jersey was that whole community, that whole debauchery on steroids.

So I ran away from home. I was 14 years old. I was living on the streets of Philadelphia.

I found my way downtown very quickly. I was taken under the wings of older, trans -identified individuals.

I was prostituting. I was on drugs. I was on alcohol. I started wrong sex hormones at age 14.

And I was also HIV AIDS positive at age 14. Wow. Now, how did you get female hormones at 14 years of age?

So wrong sex hormones, my first batch or two, were given to me by the older, trans -identified people that took me under their wing.

They took me into their homes. I was also lured in and seduced in by what they call glitter families.

Glitter families are just groups of people that love bomb children. And they find on the streets, they love bomb them and say, you know, well, your family won't affirm you, but we'll affirm you.

We love you just the way you are. And they bring you into their home and everything is really nice for a little while, and then you have to earn your keep.

And then they traffic you or they rent you, sell you. Wow. Yeah. So I spent those years on the street.

When I started wrong sex hormones at 14, being

HIV AIDS positive, I went to my peers and I said, what am I going to do if I'm HIV AIDS positive?

And my peers looked at me and said, so what? So are we. And the blankety blank that gave it to you didn't care.

So don't you care who you give it to? Wow. And the hormones really just took me to a whole nother level with a mental break, mental breakdown.

My when I got on the wrong sex hormones, my suicidal ideation in my depression only got worse.

It never got better. It only got worse. I also had met at that time and it's important for for later on in my testimony,

I met two post -operative transgenders and I idolized them.

I wanted to be them. I thought they were beautiful. I thought they had it going on. I thought they were happy and content and secure.

And I just thought that it was all about them. And I wanted to be just like them.

And so I set out to be just like them with the wrong sex hormones and prostituting, making money, traveling.

By the time I was in my early 20s,

I went to New York City to get castrated and I was sitting on a beach on Coney Island with those two post -operative transgenders that had the full operation.

And they knew what I was there for. We were hanging out. We were sitting on this on a blanket on the beach and we were all talking.

And one of them looked at me and he said, don't do it. Huh? And I said, don't do what?

Because we weren't talking about what I was there for. And he said, all of my life,

I felt like if I could just become a woman, I'd find peace, joy and happiness. He said, now

I am legally, medically a woman and I'm more miserable now than I've ever been in my life. I think of ending my life every single day.

And the other one looked at me and said, I get on the subway several times a day. And every time that train comes down the track,

I think of stepping off that platform onto and in front of that train. You don't want to be us.

Don't do it. And so I just remember going back to my hotel that night and just curling up in a ball and just crying myself to sleep thinking, wow, if this isn't the path that's going to bring me peace and joy, then what's my next step?

And my life was a mess. But and so I remained trans identified for a few more years into it.

I was trans identified for actually 20 years. I was in and out of juvenile detention.

I was in and out of county jail as an adult and then in and out of prison. My last time in prison.

There was a correction, I was I was trans for 20 years. I mean, I looked like a woman or some kind of woman.

But I was they didn't put you in a woman's prison back then. So I was in a men's prison.

I was on the rec yard. I was wanting to be the the center of attention.

So I was cheerleading on the rec yard. And there was a correctional officer and he actually said to me, what's your name?

And I said, Paige. And he said, no, that's a girl's name. What's the name your mama gave you?

And I looked at him and I said, David. And he says, well, David, do you know that God didn't create you to be this way?

Hallelujah. And I was offended, I was hurt, I was angry. How dare he?

And I said, of course he did. Look at me, I do this well. And he said, no. And I said something about it being natural.

And he says, no, he said, if it's so natural, he said, let me ask you a question. How many pills did you have to take to look like that?

How many procedures did you have to have done to look like that? And that really hit me hard because it was like a wake up call.

Like, wow, OK, so it's not natural. Can't possibly be natural if I have to do all this stuff. And we called him

Bishop. And Bishop witnessed to everybody, fellow officers and inmates all alike.

He treated everybody the same. And I and he did. He said to me, he says,

I'm going to tell you this every single day because I can. And every single day that he saw me, he said,

David, God didn't create you to be that way. And it got to the point where I see him coming and he said,

David. And I say, I know God didn't create me to be this way. And I just keep on walking, thinking, what did

I just say? And I started looking for Bishop. Because there was something that was very clear to me.

It was very, very clear to me that Bishop was the first man my entire life,

I was in my 30s, that ever stood before me, that didn't want anything from me.

He didn't want to use me, abuse me, kick me while I was down, profit off of me, nothing like that.

He just wanted to love me and pour into me ever so freely what was poured into him ever so freely.

And that was something I'd never experienced. So I was encapsulated by Bishop.

And Bishop came and told me a story one day. He said, David, there was a man named

Saul. He said, and Saul, he said he was sincere in all that he was doing.

And he said he sincerely was jailing Christians and was present for their executions.

And he said he sincerely was persecuting God's people.

And he thought he was doing it for God. And it caught my attention, I said, OK. And he says, and then one day he was on his way to Damascus.

And guess who showed up, David? And I was like, who? He said, Jesus. And he said, and Jesus knocked him off his high horse, blinded him so he could see.

And then he went from being sincerely wrong to being sincerely right. And he went from being Saul to Paul.

And that story always stuck with me. And he said to me, he says, you know, I've read your I've read your record.

I've read your jacket. He says, and you have been through a lot. He said, and you've suffered a lot and you've survived a lot.

And he says, you know, when you get saved, your testimony is going to be able to reach people on so many different levels because you've you've been there and you've done it.

He said, but just remember that when you get saved. And, you know,

I never really paid attention that he said when I get saved until I got out of prison in 2006.

And that is when I actually de -transitioned. I no longer wanted to be aged. So I just started living as a homosexual male.

And by 2008, I was stricken. So one thing to understand is by when

I started long sex hormones at 14, by age 20, I was By age 25,

I had osteopenia, which is a bone density disease. By age 30,

I had osteoporosis, which is the next stages of osteopenia.

It's commonly known as an elderly woman's disease. But I also had thyroid issues and heart disease, all directly related to the wrong sex hormones.

And. Now, is that what they call what do they call it in the pharmaceutical industry?

We call it hormone replacement therapy, HRT. I call it wrong sex hormones. OK, because I just never heard the phrase.

I never heard the phrase before, but obviously it's accurate. Yeah, yeah. Wrong sex hormones, synthetic poison.

It's all the same. And so in 2008, I was stricken down with like severe osteoporosis.

I couldn't stand up straight, couldn't walk without a walker. I was in pain 24 hours a day.

They made me a legal drug addict by giving me Oxycontin and Oxycodone out the gazoo.

Like high doses. No, I don't even know how I functioned, but I did.

And I still went to the clubs and I still went to the casinos and I still went to the parties and to those perverted escapades.

Because even in all of that pain and all that misery, the lust of my flesh had control.

It was just to me, it was just about having engaging in sexual activity. And in 2009,

I was stricken down with full blown AIDS. And I know like a lot of people, they say, oh, well, yeah, because AIDS is

God's punishment. And I said, no, AIDS wasn't God's punishment. AIDS was my recompense.

It was my reward for all of the choices that I made in my life. And they put hospice in place and a hospital bed in my home.

And the doctor said, you don't have to take the antiretrovirals, the HIV medications anymore because you won't survive.

And so I had infections in my body. I had infections in my brain and my blood.

And they were fighting to get out by way of boils all over my body. And I don't mean like I had a bump here and there.

I mean, like Job boils all over my body. And they were very painful. And hospice came in and was taking care of me.

And I had a Bible that sat next to my bed on my nightstand.

I used it as a coaster. And one day

I sat up in the bed and I looked at the Bible and I thought for a moment that I was afraid to die.

And I'm like an I want to know why kind of guy. So I want to know why I'm so afraid to die when, you know, all my life

I said, I fear nothing. I fear nothing. And and then I realized that I was afraid to die because I didn't want to go to hell.

And I knew that hell was not only where I was heading, but exactly what I deserve. And I knew that hell wasn't like he wasn't sending me to hell.

He was honoring my choice to go there. And. I picked that Bible up.

And I opened it up in the first verse I read in the New Testament. Romans 127, men burning in lust for one another, giving up the natural function of the woman.

And I slammed it shut and I looked straight up in the air and I'm like, really? And then

I started opened it from the beginning and read it to the end. And I just became so.

Like, I just absorbed all that I possibly could. And to me,

I just kept I remember wondering, like, I felt like he was like I was an app and he was downloading things into me because I was just like recognizing things.

I'm like, well, wait a minute. If I'm supposed to be a fisher of men, then how am

I supposed to catch him? Because I have to catch him and he cleans them. I catch him, he cleans them. That's how it works is

I'm a fisher of men. And how do I do that? And and then I'll get to Revelation and 1211 and I'm reading like, wow, wait a minute.

You mean my testimony is compared side by side in the scripture with the blood of the lamb? Like it's that powerful.

And that they overcame the enemy by the blood of the lamb and the power of their testimony that they love not their lives, even unto death.

And that that just told me that I was a fisher of men. What is my bait?

My bait is my testimony. All I got to do is catch him and then he cleans them. How does he clean them with his blood?

And I'm like, OK, this is great. And then my niece came to visit me and she said,

I love you, Uncle David. And I said, you love me to death? And she's like, yeah,

I love you to death. I said, that's the problem. Everybody my whole entire life has loved me to death.

Literally to hell by remaining silent or compromising and not telling me the truth.

I said, instead of loving me to life with the truth, you know, so what?

You might offend me, but words matter and we're not offending people. We're defending them.

And the only person that ever stood up to me was my mother, and she's the only one that never compromised.

And it was because of that, that when I came to my crossroad, that she was the only one

I could turn to. Was she a Christian or just somebody with... She was not a Christian at the time.

Just had traditional morals. Yeah, and she had, like, my aunt was a lesbian.

She had friends that were homosexuals, and she used to go to gay clubs with them and all of that stuff.

And it was OK for them, but it was not OK for her baby. And it shows you, like, the whole nature, nurture, you know, the truth in that.

And then, you know, later, she did become a Christian through my whole transformation.

Her, my brother, you know, they were just blessed to see such a transformation.

Even in my documentary, my mother actually said to me, or said in the documentary when she was being interviewed, she said, if you would have told me that David would have been saved one day in preaching, she said,

I would have told you, nope, any of my other kids, but not David. David couldn't do it. But she said, here he is, and he's doing it.

And it's not really David, right? It's all God. It's that he touched me.

I remember when I was on my deathbed, I never asked him to heal me. I didn't, you know, and I didn't have a praying grandmom, and I didn't have a congregation coming in and laying hands on me.

And it was just me and him. That was it. And I just talked to him.

And I had a lot of resentment and anger for my earthly father for taking his life.

But God let me know that I had a heavenly father that loved me unconditionally. And that was a turning point for me.

So from there, I just, I remember waking up one morning and I was in so much pain still, but I just thought,

I'm forgiven. I'm not going to hell. Like I knew I was not going to hell.

And so I was like, I just started praying. I said, Lord, I'm ready. Take me. Please take me home. I don't want to be here.

I don't want to live like this. I don't want to feel like this. Please get me out of here. I'm ready. And I said, but I have one request that through my death, others would come to know you.

And he had other plans. So within a week or so, I started getting up.

No more walker, no cane, standing up straight, walking around.

I remember hospice coming in and the hospice, we used to joke so much and laugh. And she's like, but David, if you're not dying,

I can't come back. And I was like, we'll see you. Peace. And, you know, later.

And I went to see my doctor and the nurse practitioner. And she was a stage four cancer survivor.

And she used to ask me over the years if I wanted to pray. And I tell her, no, what do I want to pray to you God for?

Look at what he's done to me. And so I went to see her and she said,

David, Dr. Z is not coming into this office right now. And I said, why not? She's like, because he doesn't have a scientific explanation for what's happening with you.

And I was like, well, what's happening with me? She says, we've never seen a viral load as high as yours in this office.

We know that they exist because there's medical log. She says, but we've never heard of one with a high viral load like yours going undetectable within such a short period of time.

And you had zero T cells, no immune system, a zero immune system.

And now your immune system is that of a pretty normal person.

And I was like, well, that's God. And she was like, well, it is. I said, but does that mean that I'm negative? And she and then the scientists and her kind of came out.

She said, no, no, no. Once positive, always positive. But we just can't detect the virus in your system.

And I said, that's OK, I'll take that. I'll take that. I said, you know what, Jean? I said,

I'll take stage four cancer right now. I said, you want a limb, you can have a limb. I said, you know why?

Because I'm not what I was. And I may not be whom I'm going to be, but I'm not what

I was. And so that was the moment. It was from that time on in 2009 that I just knew that he, in a sense, spiritually, he honored my request.

David died that day, was reborn, and through my death, people will come to know him.

Only by his lead, his guidance, his, you know, his direction. But and so and that's where I'm at.

Like, you know, I've been I've been de -transitioned now for 20 years.

I've been made free since 2010. And I even took a little detour after doing ministry for some years.

I took a little detour and I kind of got hurt in the church, kind of got burned out, started struggling with some things and didn't know who

I could tell, because I was supposed to be the one that had it all together. So how can I tell people

I'm struggling with stuff if I'm supposed to have it all together? And so then

I just kind of got angry at the church because I was struggling. And I decided

I was going to try to be a gay Christian or a homosexual Christian. And God let me walk away from the fold in an attempt to do that.

But he also let me learn pretty quickly that it was a perversion and that I could not claim that false identity while walking in a right relationship with him.

And he made that very clear. And that's when there was an incident that happened that really upset me.

And I was driving down the street and it was raining and I was upset. And I pulled over and I remember just bawling my eyes out like,

I'm sorry, Lord. I'm sorry. I'm sorry, Father. I'm sorry. I hope it's not too late. I hope it's not too late.

And I almost could see through my tears and through the rain of a figure of the

Father standing at the edge of the road with his arms open saying, just come home, David. And so I just went home and that was it.

He reeled me back in and he released me from those struggles.

And that's not to say that we don't struggle with anything because we just don't struggle with the struggle because we're safe, we're content, we're secure in the finished work of Jesus the

Christ on that cross. And so I dedicate my entire life to one, exposing the depths of the

LGBTQ trans queer movement or cult, as I mostly call it, because that's exactly definitively what it is.

It becomes every aspect of your life. It determines your politics.

It determines your thoughts, your feelings, which of your own blood relatives you'll associate with.

It determines where you'll live. It just determines everything about you. And then when you try to walk away, it turns on you and turns on you really hard.

You know, I've had vehicles vandalized. I've been I've had many death threats.

A lot of different things from the from the movement itself. Wow. The LGBT movement.

Yeah, from many, many people in that movement. When we left Jersey when

I got saved and we went to Maine just for a new start.

When you say we, who are you talking about? I took my mother with me. OK. Yeah. So we've been in Maine since 2010.

And I've just been doing as much as I possibly can in him, through him.

You know, mostly traveling. Maine is not a great place for ex -gays or detransitioners.

It's pretty rough for us here. But maybe that's why

I'm here. You know, there's a whole lot of parents out there that are heartbroken.

And dumbfounded, don't know what's up, what's down, you know, how to how to handle this.

They're being told by doctors, you're going to have a dead son or a living trans daughter.

You make the choice. And that's emotional blackmail. There's there's no there's no rhyme or reason in that.

What they're not telling them is that suicidal kids like I was, suicidal trans kids turn into more suicidal trans adults as the transition process goes on.

But that's what they don't want to tell them. And so I'm willing,

I'm willing to tell them anything. I just have to expose this movement as much as possible.

And I also have to make sure that I establish relationships with all of those that that cross my paths, because it's establishing a relationship that really that was able to pour into me.

Bishop planted many seeds. He watered them. And it may have taken a few years for God to cause the increase, but he eventually did cause it.

And I'm just blessed. I'm blessed and highly favored.

I tell everybody because after all that I've suffered,

I am ecstatic. I'm thrilled to have the opportunity that I have and to be able to do the ministry that I do.

I hit the streets, we we do. I wear T -shirts that say, ask an ex -trans anything.

And we hit the streets or we go in the big box stores and just walk around and we go to events.

And there's conversation all night long because everybody has a question.

Everybody is affected by this. I don't know anybody that doesn't have somebody in their immediate family or in their families that is saturated in this colorful trans, queer,

LGBTQ movement. Well, we have to go to our first commercial break.

And if anybody would like to join us on the air with a question of your own, our email address is

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If you just tuned us in, our guest today is David Arthur, and we are hearing his fantastic testimony of a male prostitute who was saved by Jesus Christ from the satanic lies of the transgender and LGBTQ movement and how

God continues to preserve his life with AIDS. And if you have a question, our email address is chrisarnson at gmail .com,

chrisarnson at gmail .com. Give us your first name at least, city and state, and country of residence.

You may remain anonymous if your question is personal and private. And we have a listener named

Roy in Naperville, Illinois, and Roy asks, forgive me for tuning in a little late, but I reached the point where a guard in the prison you were in named

Bishop was evangelizing you. I was wondering how you wound up in prison and if you still keep in touch with Bishop after your salvation.

Wow. So I was in and out of jail and prison for various crimes, mostly prostitution, sex crimes, those kinds of deviant, dark, perverted things.

I am not in contact with him. However, I know that he knows. It was probably my first year or two of being saved that I kept reaching out to a sergeant that I knew there, and in that state, they have very strict rules for their corrections employees not to have any communication with ex -convicts.

And so I did get in touch with a sergeant and she told me that Bishop knows, we know, we all know, and we're all very happy for you,

David, but we can't talk. And so that was it. That was good enough for me.

I always kind of sit back when I'm at a conference or at a speaking engagement, and I kind of look through the crowd or down the aisle to see on the day that he walks down the aisle to shake my hand.

It would be a blessing and a pleasure to see Bishop again. Absolutely. No question.

Hallelujah. We have Amethyst in Jupiter, Florida, and Amethyst says,

Are you taking any medication to continue in your journey back to full manhood, and also because of the

AIDS virus that you had, even though it is undetectable now? No, I take no

Western medications at all. It did take a long time for me to get to that point.

I was on a lot of medications at one point, just for all of the various issues that the wrong sex hormones cause.

So I probably about three years ago, I went into being a naturopath.

I do, I've recognized and I've studied on all of the natural things that God has placed here on this earth to heal us and to take care of our aches and our ailments and our illnesses.

And so no, I do not. I have repaired my heart disease and I have reversed my osteoporosis.

It's now back to osteopenia. So I have brought back some bone density with supplements.

So no, I just do everything all natural, whether it's tinctures, teas, medicinal herbs, whatever it is,

I'm all about that. Great. We have Joey in New Rochelle, New York.

Dear David, praise God for his work in you. In our current day, people are so politically polarized over LGBTQ plus issues that even the first hint of being on the other side of the issue can end the conversation.

How do you handle this problem in your interactions so that you can actually share the gospel with those in the movement?

So, you know, people are so used to other people being either indirect or phony, right?

That clear communication appears aggressive to them, and so they kind of back away from it.

But so I do a lot of different things.

So I don't have any template for ministering to anyone on the streets. It's all to me,

Holy Spirit led. I've noticed that sometimes I've been a little more aggressive and a little more passive with different people in different situations.

I do not compromise. I might find a borderline before I compromise.

For example, I befriended a male that was trans identified.

And he said, my name is Gloria. And I says, well, I'm not going to call you Gloria. I says, but how about I just call you

G for now? I said, OK. Yeah. He said, that's fine. I can take that.

And so I established a relationship with him. You know, it's weird.

When I first started doing ministry, I'd go out to the wherever I could with a Bible, and I tried to beat people in the head with the scripture.

And then I started really digging deep into the scripture. And the scripture says that the natural man receives not things of the spirit.

That is foolishness unto him. So I figured, why am I going to try to feed the natural man spiritually instead of just feeding the natural man naturally with what he wants the most, which is what?

A relationship, a bond with somebody. So usually what I do is I just try to establish a bond.

I kind of call it establish, be, and wait.

I establish a bond, I am, I'd be present, right? And then

I just wait on the Lord. We only need to establish bonds with people, intimate bonds with people.

I know that the world has has has perverted everything, and even intimacy has been perverted.

You go to the mall, what do you see? Intimate apparel. Well, I can assure you you're not wearing any of that stuff to have an intimate relationship with a brother or sister.

And so I just, and another thing, I always try to remember that homosexuality wasn't the only sin

I was guilty of. And so there were other things. So when Bishop established a relationship with me, he didn't always beat me in the head that I was, you know, that being homosexual was a sin or anything like that.

He reminded me daily that God didn't create me to be that way. But at the same time, he just he loved me.

He truly loved me, and he just wanted to pour into me. And so I think that that's really important that we establish relationships with people because, you know, we can't dodge the truth.

But when I befriended G, I told G while we were having lunch one day,

I said, you know, G, I don't want to be your friend. And he looked at me and he kind of looked surprised and he said, huh?

And I says, I want to be your brother. I said, but I'm going to befriend you in hopes of becoming your brother.

And we just hung out. We went on hikes together. We went for walks. We went to see the

Sound of Freedom like 12 times because it was hard. It was very difficult to watch a movie about trafficking because there's a lot of triggers in there for him, too, because surprisingly,

G was actually had no father in his life, was molested as a young boy.

And he ended up on the streets. He prostituted. He did drugs. He drank alcohol.

He did everything that I did. It was like we were the same person. And one day out of the clear blue, he says,

I want to buy men's clothes. And we went out and we bought some men's clothes.

And he told me my name is Grayson. I said, well, Grayson, good to meet you.

And now, I mean, of course, Grayson's whole community. He worked for an organization here in Maine called

Out Maine. They they immediately fired him as soon as he started to de -transition.

His own family turned against him. His mother told him he was meant to be a girl.

Wow. Yeah, it was so horrible. The things that she said to him in text messages, I couldn't even read them without bawling my eyes out and being very angry.

And that is his community turned on him and was writing profanities all over his apartment door.

And they destroyed his bike and just all kinds of things. And so this is the loving, inclusive, you know, diverse movement that loves everybody, but hates anyone that goes against them or can expose them or sees the light, right?

Anyone who sees the light. And so Grayson had to move. He actually lives in Massachusetts now.

And he just got married about six months ago to a beautiful young woman who also is a de -transitioner.

Wow. And yeah, that's how they became friends. And they're just amazing together.

And I'm just very proud of that. I'm very proud of him. You know, there's and it's not David.

David didn't do it. It was the God within David. It was the

Holy Spirit. It was what God wanted to happen. It was what was meant to be.

You know, God wills that all men be saved. Not some, not this one, not that one, but all men.

And so it's our job. We have to be out there. We have to be in the streets. We have to be in their face.

And we have to be trying to establish relationships with them. Now, we don't have to go up and say, you know, do you know

God didn't create you to be that way? I was in a situation where Bishop could say that, right?

He could say that to me because I couldn't leave. I mean, what can I do? Walk away?

No, because he's an opposite, you know? So we just have to know that we have to be the example.

As I am the example in word, in deed, and action. Now, I've watched the

Lord touch so many deceived, delusional people. I've watched him give them a desire for something more.

I've seen it. I've experienced it. I've seen so many homosexuals and trans -identified people come out of those delusions, come out of that bondage that held them captive.

I mean, and I've also seen a lot of the ones that call themselves allies and supporters of this movement have their scales removed as well, only to see this dark, deadly movement for what it is, you know?

So we just have to heed the umption or that still small voice of the

Holy Spirit and know that it's up to the Holy Spirit how we minister to others and when to minister.

By the way, before I forget to announce this later, since you brought up the falsehood that thankfully you abandoned in near the beginning of your journey into Christianity where you thought you could live as a

Christian homosexual, I orchestrated and moderated a debate between my friend

Dr. James R. White of Alpha and Omega Ministries and a man who claims to be a

Christian homosexual. Although he is chaste, he is celibate.

Well, he claims to be, and I'll take him at his word. And this is commonly called today

Side B Christianity. And you could see this debate.

I thought it was extraordinary. If you go to YouTube, just type in Dr.

James R. White on the debate with Gregory Coles, C -O -L -E -S.

James White versus Gregory Coles, I guess is a good way to type that in. And you'll see that on YouTube.

And James White certainly had the victory in that debate because the truth was on his side.

Amen. You know, I was just asked the other day about that, about what

I thought about those who claim to be homosexual, but don't practice it because they're trying to walk in God's will.

And my immediate response was, if you're going to claim that false identity, then you might as well be engaging in it because to God, it's the same thing, right?

And I mean, if you say that you are something, then you might as well just go be it because through God's lens, it's the same thing.

And I think that what has happened, and this is my take on it in my studies of intimacy and in my life knowledge and experience of actually establishing relationships with men and them saying one day out of the clear blue, you filled a void within me.

And now I just kind of feel like I'm satisfied and I'm not seeking sexual activity, you know?

And so because of that and because of what intimacy truly is, like what David and Jonathan shared, that was true intimacy.

And so because of intimacy, I think that we have this desire as a part of our makeup to desire same -sex intimacy, little boys with their fathers, their brothers, their grandfathers, uncles, other men in their community, little girls, the same with women.

And I think that when that desire is corrupted, like when molestation or abuse comes in or no father in the home, when all of those different things come in and then you have culture and society that tells you, well, if you have a desire for same -sex intimacy, then that's called an attraction.

And then if it's attraction, then it has to be romantic and or sexual, you know? So it's kind of like,

I don't believe that we're designed that way. I think, you know, a lot of the pushback

I get is, well, I was born this way. Well, yeah, I was born that way too. We're all born that way, whatever that is for us, because we're born into sin and we're shaped in iniquity.

Iniquity at its root means perversion. So if that's the case, then we're all born that way.

And that's why Jesus the Christ said to be born again, you know, and if, well, it's just who I am.

Well, Jesus said, deny self. And so these are just some of the things that I get on an almost daily basis when

I'm in the streets. And these are things that are very matter -of -factly said back.

And it really does make people think, like, wow, wait a minute. You mean that I'm not same -sex attracted?

Not if you don't want to be. You're only something outside of God's will if you want to be, if you choose to be.

Because the only thing that can stop God's will for you is your will for you. And that just makes a lot of people stop dead in their tracks and say, well, wait a minute, let me rethink this.

And, you know, let me really think about this. And it makes them want to establish a relationship.

And that's key. That's key, just to be word, deed, and action to other people. We've got

Carl in Jenks, Oklahoma, who says,

I was listening to a previous interview that Chris Arnzen had on Iron Trip and Zion Radio with another former transgendered man,

William Allen. And he said that although he desired to be a woman from the youngest of ages that he can even recall thinking, he never was a homosexual until he started taking the female hormones, and that triggered something in him with sexual desire for men.

Since you began those hormones at such a young age, could that have led you into a homosexual desire that you never would have had otherwise?

Well, no, I was sexualized already as a young child.

You know, I was targeted and molested by trusted adults. And so I automatically, by that point, way before hormones,

I just thought that it was okay for males to engage in that activity with other males.

And I thought that it was okay. To me, it was love. It was male validation and love.

And then as I grew into it, actually, the second teacher that molested me who was also a guidance counselor, he's the one that I, probably around seven years old, seven, eight years old, he started putting it in my head when he molested me, telling me that I was a pretty girl.

I was such a pretty little girl. I was such a good little girl. And so, you know, this is a spiritual war.

It's not a political battle or a social issue. This is a spiritual war.

And I kind of call those things

STDs, spiritually transmitted demons, because I do believe that that darkness can transfer or push into or onto somebody else, oppress them.

And I think that whatever was in control of my abusers oppressed me as a youth.

Well, we have to go to our midway break right now if you have a question for David Arthur on his life for 30 years as a homosexual, believing he is transgendered and actually also involving himself in male prostitution.

You can, and especially obviously his victory over those things in Jesus Christ, making him a new creature in Christ and giving him a new heart that led him to abandon and oppose and warn against these things.

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David Arthur, who for 30 years lived as a homosexual, transgendered man, and even a male prostitute, and was saved by the grace and mercy and blood of Jesus Christ, now living his life the way

God intended him to as a biological male. And we do have a listener named

Ramon in Waldwick, New Jersey. And Ramon asks, have you ever led any people who believe they are transgendered or homosexual to Christ?

Yes, absolutely. So like I was saying earlier, right, it's about establishing a relationship with them, about being the example of the

Christ. In word, in deed, in action, being available to them and then just waiting on the

Lord to do what he does through people. And I've had a lot of men and some women that have come out of that darkness and have come into the light and are doing just amazing things right now.

It's about being available and about communication, about relationships.

I can't say that enough. I really can't because it's so important, you know, and it's just as important that we make sure everybody realizes and recognizes that the confusion and the delusions, the perversions of gender dysphoria known as transgenderism and that it's mutable, absolutely mutable and curable.

And so is the stronghold of homosexuality and sexual addictions. And also, right, the underlying issues must be addressed.

If we just look at dysphoria, it tells us that it's a mental issue. Dysphoria, D -Y -S means an abnormal condition.

Phoria means mental confusion. So it's an abnormal condition of mental confusion and it needs healing, not hormones, right?

It needs, it needs somebody, it needs therapy and it needs a relationship.

It needs somebody to come in and say, no, this is not what you were created for and this is, you cannot be this.

We have to start paying attention to all of the factors, right, that we are born either male or female.

There is nothing else. DNA is not the only deciding factor. It's not just about genitalia or what we look like either.

Each one of us has over 6 ,500 genetic markers that makes us distinctly male or distinctly female.

So it's literally impossible for a male to have a female brain. And so no amount of affirmation or acceptance or encouragement or promotion or celebrating can remove mental illness.

That's really just exploiting the mentally ill. And I believe there's laws against that.

No amount of surgeries and procedures, injections or pills or shots can change your biological sex.

It's just not an option. So even if somebody partakes of like sexual reassignment surgery or what they now call gender affirming surgery, there's still who and what they were created to be.

They've simply just mutilated and disfigured their bodies. And that's what we have now, especially with the children.

I mean, we have children being put on puberty blockers. Puberty blockers were actually used to chemically castrate deviant and heinous sex criminals.

Chemically castrate them. And then they started experimenting on using these puberty blockers that the drugs themselves on cancer patients.

And now they're giving them to children. And I mean, if we can't sit back and recognize that wrong sex hormones and puberty blockers are synthetic poison, they alter brain function.

They alter brain development. They alter your nervous system. They cause severe maniacal mood swings.

They cause rage. They cause outbursts. They also cause irreversible damage to organs, to your development, to your bones, and so much more.

I mean, this is just, it just doesn't really make sense. Sometimes I sit back and say, am

I going to wake up? When am I going to wake up from this? This is one of the longest, most horrible nightmares

I've ever seen. And it's children being mutilated and butchered and sterilized and experimented on all in the name of love and diversity and inclusivity.

And it's just treacherous. It's treacherous what this movement is doing, what this agenda is doing to children.

Yeah, I think physicians who don't deserve to have the honor of wearing such a title as a physician, but those that do perform these so -called transgendered surgeries and use pharmaceutical attempts to change gender in children, or in adults, for that matter.

And we know that nobody can change gender, as you just very clearly stated. I think that these people should be imprisoned for a very long time.

Absolutely. Absolutely. And so should the un -parents. Yes. I just posted a video on my social media a day or two ago, and it was a mother actually holding her son down so they could inject him with puberty blockers.

What? Yes. Isn't a part of the so -called gender dysphoria that you want to be a part of the other gender and you're forcing him against his will?

That's demented and satanic. My friend that I mentioned earlier,

Dr. James R. White of Alpha Omega Ministry, years ago, he brought up an excellent point.

I don't know if you've ever heard of this mental disorder, but there is a mental disorder, a condition called body integrity identity disorder,

B -I -I -D, where people desire, they have a passion to have healthy limbs removed from their body.

Now, if a doctor, a surgeon, was appeasing them in this way, cutting off their healthy arm or leg,

I think most people, even leftists, even perhaps leftists in the

LGBTQ and transgender movement, would say, no, that's psychotic.

That's like something out of Nazi Germany or whatever. Well, what's the difference? You're mutilating a body, and in many cases, irreversibly.

Exactly. And so it is actually very well accepted in the new progressive

LGBTQIA plus movement. That specific?

Yes. Wow. Well, I guess they're trying to remain consistent anyway in their satanic ideology.

Exactly. You know, I had somebody say to me when I was talking about what

ROM sex hormones and puberty blockers do, not to mention, when you do not treat mental illness, it only manifests, it only gets worse, right?

And so someone asked me, they said, why are all of the leftists pushing this and promoting this and celebrating this?

And the only answer I could come up with, Chris, was that they are creating martyrs or super soldiers, human bombs, because they're creating people who have no will to live and do not care if other people die in the process.

And it's just very sad. I mean, there's so many instances where we have trans -identified youth in the court system.

We don't hear about them because the newspaper prints, young girl kills mother.

Well, it's really a boy that identifies as a girl that killed his mother. And this is mental illness untreated.

And it's just, it's mind -boggling at times. We do have an anonymous listener who says, has the

Lord completely freed you from same -sex attraction? Yes.

So this is the best way I can explain it. I went to Dunkin' Donuts last week and there was a young woman there who looked kind of masculine or was trying to look masculine.

Actually, she had a beautiful face and she had very short hair, very spiked hair. And I keep my hair, you know, cut and pretty sharp.

I have to say. But she said to me, great,

I love your hair. It looks good. It's really, you know, it's really sharp. And I said, well, thanks. And before I could even think,

I said, yours is kind of nice too. And then it hit me. I said, kind of nice.

And she looked at me. I said, I'm not trying to be rude. I said, but I'm not into the bleached blonde thing, the yellow thing.

I was like, and I was like, you have a beautiful face. I was like, so, you know, your natural hair grown out would probably look much better.

And she says, oh, well, I'm gay. All men are attracted to lesbians.

I was like, no, men are just attracted to women. It's natural. And I said,

Arne, don't you find men attractive? She said, I do find men attractive. She actually told me I was attractive for an old guy.

And so I said, OK. Yeah. So I said, OK. I said, so let me ask you a question.

When you look at me and think I'm attractive, when you look at a woman who you think is attractive, do you see us the same way?

She said, no. I said, what's the difference? She said, I think of sexual things when

I look at the woman. I said, well, that's not natural. There's nothing natural about looking at somebody and thinking about engaging in sexual activity with them.

That's just not natural. That's the lust of the flesh. That is perversion. And she looked at me.

She said, you know, I never thought about that. I says, the way you see men as attractive,

I said, that's your natural attraction. I said, so there's no such thing as same sex attraction.

And she didn't. She didn't throw me out. She didn't throw my coffee on me. She didn't spit my coffee.

She she made it. I watched her. She handed it to me. And she was thrilled to actually talk to somebody.

And she actually messaged me. And she said, David, I want to thank you for being so blunt and so bold, bold enough to tell me what you told me.

No one's ever told me that before. And that's all I have been thinking about for a couple of days now.

So it's just how we how we that's why there's no template right to ministry. It's about how we how we deal with people being led by the

Holy Spirit. And so what I have been able to recognize is that when

God reeled me back in. He removed. All of those those lusts of the flesh that I was

I mean, that I was so attached to that that I'd grown to know ever since I was a little boy.

And so now I can look at a man and say, you know, hey, that's a good looking guy.

And not think about engaging in sexual activity with him. And I can look at a woman and find her very attractive.

And the way a man is supposed to find a woman attractive, you know, I don't

I don't think that. I think that when we think see people in sexually, that that's just not natural.

There's nothing natural about that. That wasn't part of God's design for us to look at other people and think about sex.

So you are, hallelujah, completely free from that. I am completely free from that.

Wow, that's great. Because that's not the story is not always the same. You hear some people who have.

Repented of that behavior and occasionally will erupt in their life.

But thank the desire. Anyway, thank God that you do not have that anymore.

Amen. And, you know, I also think that it has to do with. How you give it to God.

How you surrender to him and what you how you get to recognize the deceptions of this world, right?

How you get to realize that same sex attraction doesn't even exist when you recognize that and you recognize all of the other things about about our makeup and our design, then you kind of just come to the conclusion like, wow, this is this was a really good deception, but it's a deception nonetheless.

There's no such thing as same sex attraction. Already, we have

Dorothy. In Keene, New Hampshire, Dorothy asks.

Is there some difference in the mindset? Between the sin of women who want to be men and men who want to be women?

I don't know, and that's a good question now. I've heard I've heard from, for instance.

Former homosexuals. That have said that they believe there are very different.

States of minds, very often different reasons that they're behaving that way.

Well, there are different reasons, you know, I mean, that's that's a given. Because everybody, it's a trauma response in most cases, and so everybody deals with trauma in different ways, and they have different types of trauma.

And at the same time, we have a 4000 % increase in girls. In young girls that are trying to identify as trans men, and that's scary.

But the majority, the greater number of those girls that are transitioning are dating men, males.

They're not dating women. They're becoming, they're getting to look like a boy so that they can date a male.

They're literally trying to become gay men. And it just shows you, right, the whole mentality and the spiritual confusion of it all.

It's just deception. It's one of the biggest deceptions and delusions

I think we've ever faced. We have to go to our final break, and if you want to send in a question, do it immediately because we're rapidly running out of time.

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Well, we are now back with David Arthur, who has been telling us his fascinating testimony of salvation, having been acting as, acting out his satanic lusts in homosexuality and also transgenderism for 30 years, when

God finally delivered him. And thanks be to God, that the

AIDS virus that he contracted is not detectable any longer.

And we would pray, I would ask you to join me in praying that this remains that way in David's life.

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Only remain anonymous if your question involves a personal and private matter. We have RJ in White Plains, New York.

And RJ says, before the break, I think that you said that the percentage of young girls who want to be boys and men has increased 4000%.

Doesn't this indicate that this is not really some kind of a textbook mental illness like gender transphobia, transphobia, but is actually something that the society is pushing upon children?

Exactly. It's a social contagion. And that's the problem, is that it is being pushed on children from pre -K all the way up through the government schools.

I mean, we have hundreds and hundreds of videos that we've captured from social media platforms of actual teachers sitting in their classrooms.

The teacher is trans identified. The teacher is giving the children the choice to wear a bracelet to represent a different gender.

I mean, one of like 150 genders. You know, it's just children are being targeted, desensitized, sexualized with explicit materials.

And then they're going to be victimized. And then eventually by this movement, they're going to be weaponized and criminalized.

And this is where our children are at right now. This is it is a social contagion.

We have to recognize that there are many different categories that are falling into this, this trans queer umbrella.

And some of them are just that, people who are very easily influenced.

And by the way, folks, I want to recommend that after this live show is over to look up and listen to in the archive of IronSharpensIronRadio .com

interviews that I have had with other people who believed they were transgendered, which would include

William Allen, who's been on the program several times, and also

Laura Perry Smoltz. And I found out just before the show that my guest today,

David Arthur, happens to know Laura Perry Smoltz. You want to tell us about that connection? Yeah, so Laura reached out to me many years ago when she was struggling with coming out of transgenderism.

And I just kind of poured into her the way the way that Bishop poured into me. And I think she had other people in her life like Dr.

Piper and other people that she was paying attention to and reaching out to and listening to.

And yeah, so we just became, we got pretty close. And Laura came out, she was when she very first came out of transgenderism, she came to Maine and she spoke at one of my benefits.

And I also had George Carneal, ex -homosexual, that came and they spoke at my benefit.

And Laura has been just, I mean, I look at pictures of Laura when

I first met her and I look at pictures of her today and it's a whole new creature.

She's just turned into this beautiful, beautiful flower that has blossomed.

And so I have, I just actually posted one of my videos, a short clip of a video that I did with Laura.

She's been on my live stream a few times. And so I just posted that on my social media, on my

Facebook and my ex. So if anybody wanted to see that, they can do so.

It's at Ibelonginmin, min, M -I -N, at Ibelonginmin on Facebook.

And on ex, it's IBA Ministry. And you can also just go to the website and have access to all social media.

It's Ibelonginmin .com. And so, yeah, Laura has just been, she's just a blessing.

Her book, I believe Transgendered to Transformed was,

I think in 2018 is when it came out. And I was doing, I had her on one of my streams.

And as I was reading the book or excerpts from it, I came across a part where she really said how important it was for her that I communicated with her, that I poured into her.

And so, and that's why I know relationship is so important. It's so important for us to connect with people and actually pour into them.

Instead of just saying, well, I'll pray for you and then move on.

That doesn't always quite work. It's vital. It's very vital that we pour into others just like others pour into us.

So I would encourage everybody to go check out that clip.

I think it's, it's like 12 minutes. That clip that I posted is like 12 minutes long.

It's a great clip. And it says a lot about creating and establishing relationships with people and actually pouring into them and doing all that you can for them, right?

Being available to them, be available for a phone call, for a walk, take them to lunch, go on a hike, be a shoulder to lean on.

Sometimes you don't have to say anything, just be present. Well, let's see if we have enough time for one more question.

Well, yeah, let's go for it. And I was just looking at the question and I can't find it now.

Oh, here it is. We have Doreen in High River, Alberta, Canada, who says,

I heard you say earlier that the Lord has removed all same -sex attraction from you.

Do you have any intention on getting married to a woman the way God intends people to marry?

Well, yeah, as soon as He places the right one in my path, that Proverbs woman, and He lets me know that she is from Him, then absolutely,

I look forward to that time of my life. You know, last night, we do a project called

Ask an Ex -Trans Anything, and every so often, we'll just do a live stream and just take questions by email and live and in the chat.

And last night, one of the questions just really took me back.

It took me into all of the regrets of not living the way

God had planned for me to live from the very beginning. And that was one of the regrets, not being able to have biological children and also not being able to be in a family or be married and have established that family already.

As I would have had I been brought up in the right home, you know, and all of those factors would have fell into place, but I just wasn't.

So everything for a purpose. This is all for such a time as this. I don't regret anything.

I do have sorrows over my past, but I don't regret it because it's a powerful testimony that God has allowed me to attain.

And the fascinating thing for me is he allowed me to attain this powerful weapon, this tool, while I was running away from him and trying to ignore him and deny him.

And he allowed me to attain that this testimony during those years. And so that's the most powerful thing to me.

So I think about that a lot when I'm out in the streets. Now, when you say that you're no longer able to have biological children, is that because we became sterile from the medications?

Right, right. I was sterile by age 20. But you did not.

You didn't go through the full blown surgery or anything. I did not. I did not. And so and that's why it's so important about what they're doing to children with the puberty blockers and the wrong sex hormones.

They chemically sterilize people. Just the pills alone and the shots.

They sterilize people. They will destroy their ability to procreate. And if you could, in about 90 seconds, summarize what you most want etched in the hearts and minds of our listeners today.

Being set free from homosexuality, transgenderism, it is attainable.

Freedom is available for trans identified individuals, for those who are stuck in false identities, in addictions, in mental anguish.

Freedom is just available from all delusions, oppression and possession. And your true self is not what someone has told you, taught you, or conned you into believing.

Your true self is exactly who and what you were created to be from conception, who

God created you to be. And so just know that there's freedom and there is no joy at the end of that path of transgenderism or homosexuality or addiction or false identities or any of that.

There's no joy at the end of that path. The only joy is found in Jesus the Christ. Amen. And don't forget, folks, if you're able to get

The Heartland, Wisconsin on Wednesday, May 20th, my guest will be speaking at Mercy Seat Church in Heartland, Wisconsin.

And the website for that wonderful church, where my friend, Pastor Matt Trujillo is the pastor, is mercyseat .net,

mercyseat .net. And also don't forget about my guest's own website,

Ibelongamen .com, Ibelongamen .com. I want to thank you so much for being such a superb guest today, brother.

I will continue to pray that the Lord keeps the AIDS in an undetectable state and that you continue to grow in your strength and wisdom in the

Lord Jesus Christ. I want to thank everybody who listened, and I want you all to always remember for the rest of your lives that Jesus Christ is a far greater