Michael Jackson, Leaving Neverland, & Accusations

The Need for Christian Justice in a Cultural Accusation Case

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Hey guys, welcome to a very important broadcast of apology a radio. We were talking a bunch this week. Joy was really I've noticed you're very passionate about this and important stuff we were talking about the controversial recent documentary Neeping Never Leaving Neverland.

It's actually two parts. It is four Hours long four hours long. So it is a long one. You can get it on Amazon Prime. At least that's where I watched it. You do have to get that. At least seven at least seven day trial of the HBO thingy.

So if you have it Amazon Prime, you can get access to the four-hour documentary. Very very very controversial right now. Everybody's talking about this documentary. It is about Michael Jackson's accusers to accusers specifically there are more than two but two accusers specifically Wade Robson and Jimmy Safechuck.

Wade Robson Jimmy Safechuck. Also, it includes people like Joy Robson Wade's mother. The families are all involved. I would say it would be worth your time to sit through this documentary. My wife and I sat through it this past week.

My daughter watched the documentary. Herself I think you saw.

Some of it. I haven't I haven't watched it. Okay. I'm not um, no problem. I just have heard that it's. Yeah, I'm not like I'm not a week I'm very much into true crime and all this stuff, but when it came to this I just thought maybe that would be well a little bit much.

Yeah, it's. Just go into it. Basically. I'm not saying don't watch it. Jeff's not saying you have to watch it, but just be know what you're getting yourself into. You're it's not gonna be like a fun family picnic.

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Explicit content. Yeah, I know I need I need to tell you that that's I'm glad you guys are bringing that up. For those of you guys that are watching right now, please join with us. We're gonna try to be witnesses for God God's law true justice in the world where there is so much perversion of justice.

We want to address a cultural issue that I am I am confident not many Christian ministries are gonna address this this subject. From the perspective that we are in terms of how do you analyze this from the position of God's law as the standard of justice?

Criminal proceedings those sorts of things. So that's what you're gonna get right here. But I do want to warn you ahead of time this episode. We are gonna play things from the documentary itself. We're gonna play some clips here that I just want to give you fair warning.

You probably do not want children in the room. No, not probably you do not want children in the room. Listen to this episode. So if you're listening to this via podcast in your car on a road trip with the family.

No, don't do that because we're gonna be playing things in this episode that are very very explicit and they come from the testimonies of those making the allegations including Michael Jackson's made and you're gonna hear some details there that are very very graphic.

So as we give you fair warning right now, don't say that I didn't warn you. I know we're a Christian show, but we need to actually as Christians address these issues and not stay in the background silence.

These are dealing with issues of justice. Criminal justice the innocence the guilty accusations witnesses. How does God tell us to handle these things? How do we manage these things? You might be surprised to know in today's evangelical culture that God has Explicitly answered these things.

He's given detailed explanations as to what true justice looks like and I want to say even further and I know Zach. It looks like you're itching to say something. I want to say further Isaiah 42 I quoted because we believe that that's a current thing.

It's happening right now. Jesus is that servant of the Lord? He's the one that was promised to bring justice to the earth. And did you notice when I read it? It said he will not grow faint or weary until he has done.

So so he's gonna bring forth justice and the coastlands are waiting for his law. We believe that Christ is King over his kingdom now and that kingdom is a present reality over heaven and earth. So it is a present reality here and Jesus is winning the nations and as he wins the nations He actually brings them to life.

He fills them with his spirit and a love for his law a love for justice I would say today in the New Covenant. God is just as concerned with justice today as he was in the Old Covenant. We lose that a lot in today's evangelical culture.

We act like God's just concerned with taking the people to heaven one day, which is not the gospel of the kingdom. It had was had very much to do with this world this life as well. And so we want to be lights for the good news of the kingdom for the justice of God.

And the law of God in today's culture. So if you would join with us share this Share this content, but just know this you probably should share it with just a quick explanation on it it's very explicit content here because we are.

I don't want someone to accidentally come across this this this show or this podcast and Just have it playing while they're baking cookies in the kitchen with their daughter or something. And to hear the sorts of things that we're gonna be playing here.

So I just want you to know that that there's very explicit content here Zach. I think you said it pastor in terms of There are certain realms of the Christian Church today that wouldn't even attempt to address a subject like this and I think In large part that might have to do with their theological perspective on the law of God, right?

They're not even looking to make application because if in your understanding of Scripture, this is something that is irrelevant or has passed away even. You're not even looking to make application. That's right.

If you look at the history of our nation We come from a long lineage of Christians who established our system of justice. Obviously, I'm talking more about the Puritan system which gave us our foundation of justice and the application of God's law and society.

That's right. They to the best of their ability. Of course, they weren't perfect. They made an effort to establish God's justice in the earth because that's what human beings were supposed to do. Even though we fail and fall short at that.

They believe that it was their responsibility to bring God's Word to bear on this issue and issues like these and in our culture. It's amazing. You see you remember a couple months ago. We had the situation with Brett Kavanaugh, right?

You have the same type of you know situation allegations being made sexual assault all this kind of stuff going on and the church by and Large, what can they possibly have to say to that if they're not standing on Scripture?

And so we have a situation now where it moves out of the realm of The civil sphere and in government and now it's pop culture but it's the same standard in the same law that God has given that applies to both realms and it's up to us to be responsible in trying to Make application in this area.

Preserving the Innocent and the Standard of Two or Three Witnesses

Yeah, joy. Why why why would we do something like this? So, what did you want to say about this?

Well, I was just gonna say I'm used I'm glad that you use the word application because that is I I Guess I want to explain to people very quickly that we are using this case that is I mean, it's important.

It's timely a lot of people are talking about it. But this is an example that we are using to show the application the proper application of God's law. So what we're not saying what we're not saying. This is not a court of law, right?

We are not indicting or Saying Michael Jackson is guilty or innocent here. That is not what we're doing. I already noticed a lot of people in the YouTube comments are already arguing over whether or not he did it.

That's not actually why we're here. We're here to look at. We're here to look at the accusation made against him. We're here to look at how you are supposed to take an accusation. We're looking at justice.

What does that mean? Obviously justice is very different for the world than it is. If you use the Bible to apply God's law because I Mean I get and I don't really know exactly what order we want to take all this in but I would say The number one problem we have here is that the world's version of justice involves some sort of like societal doxing.

Nowadays and you see a lot of it just in regards to the me too movement you know in the past few years any instance of or any allegation of Sexual assault or abuse is followed by This large-scale doxing of people which means we take their movies down.

We take their shows down. We stop playing their music and we pretend like they didn't exist and that is our societal punishment for them. And it's because our our justice system really especially especially in regards to sexual assault our Legal system has degraded in the way that it deals with that crime and so the world The world rightfully sees that it's not working.

We're not victims are not getting justice in this area. So we have added this extra layer of like social conventional justice. But that's not actually that's actually from the world. That's not from God, yeah, I mean he you know, this comes out and I think it's it's worth mentioning that you know, he he was already tried for certain things and Whether whatever you think of that trial it is interesting that he was tried and it's interesting that This documentary came out after he passed away when he can no longer defend himself and and you know.

So it may seem like oh, well, you know, he died like what's the big deal? First of all, we know that he's either Eternally separated or right eternally before the father. So it is a big deal. And second of all, his family is still alive so it's not just like there's there's a bigger impact than just Like oh, it's not a big deal because he's dead.

And so now we can talk about him. That's just that's not how. That's not how you're supposed to. You're not you're not supposed to legally Decide whether someone's innocent or guilty societally and you're you're not supposed obviously there are certain circumstances where the perpetrator of a crime has passed away but Yeah, you generally aren't gonna be doing it after they yeah are dead and that right.

There is kind of a delineation between the world's justice and God's justices. I mean what we're talking about here is essentially We want to make try to make meaningful application based on the principles of God's law because we want to demonstrate the superiority Yes of God's justice over right the world's justice.

Yeah, say if society were to function in this way, there would be peace. There would be harmony. There would be human flourishing as opposed to the way that the world does it and that's a key thing here, too.

As you guys are maybe just just joining us right now again share the episode make sure you let people know. There's explicit content in this episode where we've been playing through a lot of things. I see the conversations taking place right now live as we're talking through this people are already Going at it with each other in terms of he's innocent.

No, he's not and he's a sexual predator and you don't know that.

We should listen to this episode. You really will tell you what what counts as proof what counts as yes an accusation all that stuff.

Yeah, our our point here is not to try Michael Jackson. But to talk about what are God's standards when you are actually bringing an accusation or receiving an accusation against any person for anything and we want to say right here and now this we uphold the superiority of God's standards of justice and criminal proceedings over against the arbitrary and Dysfunctional standards that we often have today in our criminal justice system.

Here's the key. God's law was concerned with preserving the innocent, right? The preservation of the innocent. Now give me I may say that very clearly it was concerned. Of course with justice being brought to the perpetrator.

But God's criminal proceedings in terms of how do you receive an accusation and how do you work through these things? Was focused in upon protecting the innocent from false charges. That's a big deal.

Now listen, the world doesn't like that. The world just wants to say we just need to punish. We need to make sure there's justice. We have to punish punish punish punish punish make sure this. Especially with this any form of sexual assault any form of sexual assault and and here's the thing the world Of course would be obsessed about just punish just punish Hashtag me too and you hear people and even in the me too movement saying it doesn't make a difference if there's evidence.

It doesn't matter if there were witnesses to it. If if somebody says there was a molestation or sexual assault then that means you believe them me too Hashtag why because the world doesn't have a view that is true about what's gonna take place with the Cosmic justice where nothing is getting neglected.

They don't have a worldview perspective that says hey You got to make sure you protect the innocent from being falsely accused and then someone says but what if we what if the evildoers? Actually somehow get away and the Christian goes.

Nobody gets away. Yeah, there is no getting away. Do you get that now what I mean by that is this if you're in if you're in Christ now.

He didn't get away with it. Yeah, Michael Jackson didn't get away from any of his sin. No, you you either are you? You either have atonement made for you. That's right, or you don't so one way or the other.

And it's not just it's not just pedophilia that would send Michael Jackson to hell. So it's important to keep all this.

All right, this is amazing guys listen I want to encourage you as brothers and sisters in Christ if you're a believer in the comments right now. You have to slow your roll. Listen to the actual watch this episode will truly help you in terms of the accusations that you're already making now.

Demonstrate that you don't hold to God's principles of justice and accusations and that's not to say these sound like these sound like pedo Sympathizers this sounds pro-jackson really do you know what I believe right now about Michael Jackson and the leaving Neverland's these two do know.

What I believe about the situation you you think that there's pro-jackson happening right now. No, here's what we're saying. This is pro God's law pro God's standards of justice. That's what we're saying.

And this is a prime example right now that there are believers right here in the comments already slinging accusations before you have Witnesses evidence and proof you've already now based upon Suspicions started to make accusations and I want to say to you and I mean this with as much love and grace.

It's in me as a believer in Jesus Christ with as meek and mild of Jesus. I can get out of me shame on you. Shame on you for representing the king of the universe. Who believes that justice matters and you're out here slinging?

Accusations before you have any evidence or proof and guess what? That's part of the reason we're doing this podcast, right? What a great very self-refutation. Very very good reason and so if that cut you just now then please give me the grace of hanging on.

So that we can take us through the law of God in terms of how do you handle these things? How do you manage these things. My point a minute ago was that nobody's getting away. There's cosmic justice. Here's the thing if you're in Christ by the grace of God through the gift of faith.

It's all to God's glory. He's done all this work. That means that God's justice that you deserve and I deserve. Seriously deserve. I deserve to go to hell for my sins in my life. I deserve to die all of that justice due to me and you and these guys right here was actually given to Jesus.

It wasn't ignored. It wasn't neglected. It was actually penalized in Jesus so watch in our case. No one's getting off scot-free. No one is neglected the justice due to you was fully absorbed in Jesus Christ.

He took it all so watch that that justice. Do you? Gone only because not a neglectful God. But a God who actually is just right and the justifier are the one who has faith in Jesus. But in terms of those who are not in Christ who will face the judgment seat of God one day that cosmic justice will actually be Exacted on that day and they will suffer the consequences of eternal separation from God.

Because that justice will not be neglected. So the point is is that unbelievers today have a hard time with a system of justice. Earthly justice because they so want to make sure that justice is upheld that they're even willing to allow Probably maybe possibly innocent people to go away.

So just to make sure that there is justice for victims. God's law is the just system but God's law has a eye on the preservation of the innocent to make sure that they aren't condemned and I'll talk about that for a second in terms of the the defiling of the land we had that conversation earlier in terms of Justice the land the innocent that I think that's a really important element and then guys hang on because we're gonna start playing clips from leaving Netherlands and Neverland and Some other clips of Accusers and those sorts of things.

Well, I think it starts with right where you landed. Which is that God is the just just and the justifier of the wind of his faith in Jesus. So in Christ is the punishment for our guilt, right? So Christ is the perfect victim.

He's the only innocent man to ever live and he made no Bones about just going straight to his death and being that innocent victim that was put to death. So that the justice of God would fall on him rather than fall on us who have faith in him, right?

So that's that's gospel 101, but in terms of if you look at Scripture the law of God makes such a Protection for the innocent that God sees the shedding of innocent blood as so severe that it actually brings Long-term ramifications on the nation that does it and that's not we're not just talking about abortion.

Okay? I know we talked about that all the time like abortion is an issue of national sin. If you shed the blood of the innocent it defiles the land it pollutes the land. That's the testimony of Scripture Old and New Testament.

But as you see that principle laid down in the Old Testament with the nation of Israel, you know. They're shedding innocent blood shedding innocent blood and then when you get to the New Testament What happens the only innocent blood that ever walked the face of the earth comes on the scene and what Scripture says about Jesus is?

That in Galatians chapter 3 it says that Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming the curse. Right for it is written curse. It is everyone who has hung on a tree. That's a quotation from Deuteronomy.

Yeah, right. So Christ the only innocent one became the sin seed curse of the land. That defiled the land of that first century and then he was raised from the dead. He was seated and what happened to that first century generation.

God punished them He judged them in such a way as to answer for the shedding of the ultimate sacrifice. The the true shedding of innocent blood. Yeah, right and that's the same thing that I mean, we're looking at our nation.

What we've done with you know, unborn children. Obviously, the point is God will answer the shedding of innocent blood and that's a principle. We see in the Old Testament and the New Testament Jesus obviously being the prime example of the only innocent one and God will answer it.

So so that's powerful stuff present or cosmic present or cosmically that's that's amazing. So I want to say to everybody listening to us right now. How grateful we are for all of you guys who are staying with us and staying in the middle of this conversation with us.

I want to tell you a bit of our purpose here. Our purpose here again is to not have a court proceeding and begin indictments but our purpose here is to actually wade through the current circumstances and as people talk about Michael Jackson and the allegations of molestation and all the rest is we want to say how should we as Christians be filtering through this and asking questions when People are making accusations.

It's very very important because what we want to make sure happens is that those who are truly guilty Actually receive justice from our civil magistrates that God has ordained Romans 13 but we also want to make sure that innocent people are not falsely accused and Charged with crimes because let's all grant it happens.

It happens yeah, and you know you have examples of people today women who have made allegations against men in terms of Sexual allegations against them that they come out later and say no. I made it up.

I wasn't telling the truth. We have experience with that personally even with someone that we know that that sort of thing happened. And the person came out later like no, I made the whole thing up. So false allegations happen.

But we also want to make sure that if people are truly victims that there is justice and we have to ask the question from a Christian perspective. How do you get to that justice how do you get to it? What does God say is the appropriate way of moving through people's allegations?

I'll give you an example in in the Old and New Testament. The standard of two to three witnesses is upheld in both Testaments. So I don't care what your theology is in terms of eschatology or whether you're a theonomist or New Covenant theology.

It doesn't matter all of this works for all of us. Okay, all the New Testaments you have the two and three witnesses rule of God. Upheld and you know, the Apostle Paul says to Timothy He says to not receive an accusation against an elder unless it's on the basis of two to three witnesses.

Now, what does that mean is you take that the general equity of that and you would say you need two to three independent lines of witness and evidence. For an accusation to stick right? So for example today, we have the benefit and the blessing of screenshots text messages audio recording devices video recording devices.

Now you can actually have a video recorder happening and now you've have 1 million witnesses. Do you see the point? Yeah, so we have the benefit now. It's almost like the the victory of what God is doing in the world is making it Easier to apply God's standards of justice.

Yes, we would just do it. Yes. And it's like a blessing it is and in some cases today we actually have the benefit of DNA evidence. That counts as an independent line or witness itself. You have all kinds of Ways today that you can get to the two or three independent lines now.

Why two or three witnesses why according to God's law because you need to have two to three independent witnesses. People who are not colluding together on a story because that can also happen. But you need two to three independent witnesses when an allegation is made now.

This is really important in particular for the Michael Jackson discussion. Yeah. Is this is vital is that even though in the documentary you have two people with their own? Stories of molestation. You can't really count those as two witnesses actually.

Because on biblical standards the one person say Wade has to make the accusation. Well, the other guy wasn't actually there when when his allegations are taking place of that incident, right? Exactly.

So it actually doesn't follow that this meets the biblical standard in the documentary of two to three witnesses. Technically just because those two witnesses though. They have their own stories of molestation.

They don't have like yeah Wade was with me on September 10th when this thing took place. He saw it. He didn't see it now that watch this for those you guys that are listening. Please listen with grace and patience because I want you to understand something.

I think that there is definitely something to the allegations, but we have to say however. Can we make an accusation and can we bring charges against somebody and how do we do that? We have to connect these things.

You can't just say hey, there's a documentary with two guys that are saying that they were molested. Okay, well that doesn't necessarily Necessarily it could mean something but it doesn't necessarily mean the accusation should stick and charges are brought.

Because those two guys have different stories and they're separated from one another they don't count as two witnesses to the same event. Do you get the point when a charge is being made according to God's law?

You've got to have two to three witnesses about that charge right that the person is bringing and so that's very very important. And so when we talk about this situation with Michael Jackson I'll just go on record here and I will say that I have a personal Belief that the witnesses in Leaving Neverland are telling the truth.

That's my personal belief, right? But watch this. I can't make accusations and bring charges against a person. Unless it's corroborated. Right based upon these other things so I can have a suspicion but we can't operate based on suspicion in terms of bringing accusations.

That's what's very very important here. So follow with us now because we're gonna start moving through some of these things to say well, how do we do this? Biblically biblically because God's law lays down how you're supposed to wade through these sorts of things and we're gonna do that.

Actually as we start working through here, we're gonna talk about rape in God's law. We're gonna talk about how God tells people to actually receive those accusations of rape. We're gonna talk about how God actually preserves the dignity of the woman.

Yes, and in God's system of justice, the woman has no shame. No shame. No shame. God tells her from on high that she is the victim and she needs to come out immediately. Yeah, and tell everybody because she's the victim and she's upheld and that's just a very critical aspect of God's law.

But I'll just play this clip here. This is from What do I do first here. I'll do this one first this is from leaving Neverland part one again, it's for our documentary. I want to warn you now. I know I've said it several times friends I need to warn you what you're about to hear is extremely graphic.

So just be ready for it. If you have children that are walking in the room right now, you've got to turn this down. You don't want little children hearing this. So I've given you fair warning right now, please please listen I'm not exaggerating this what you're about to hear is very very graphic.

So please be aware of that.

He and Wade would avoid me. I could tell they were avoiding me, you know, it's a big place. It's 2 ,700 acres and they'd take off for the day and I'd spend all day looking for them. That was his mom. That's the mom.

Couldn't find them. So I spent a lot of time alone there playing with the chimps. We became good friends.

We were back and forth throughout the trip between Neverland and the hideout in Westwood, but you know my mother being in a different room and Michael and I sleeping in his bed. The sexual contact Continued every night we were together.

I guess it sort of became a routine masturbating the oral sex both sides and and touching and the fondling and the gyrating and the kissing. Me bending over with the masturbation and the tongue and all that.

And then one of the kind of newer things that started to happen. Was he started to show me some pornography. Pretty graphic. Heterosexual porn. You know oral sex full penetration anal stuff it seemed like he like.

Told you I told you. But if we're gonna if we're gonna be, you know be faithful Christians and witnesses for God's truth in this world. We do have to be willing to actually engage with these things in the cultural conversation.

This is happening on a large scale right now, and we need a Christian response to this. How do we engage with this and that's yeah I think the the proper thing like you said at the beginning is starting to ask the questions that will determine Who's at fault can it be corroborated what from that Testimony of that man who was there or what evidence is there to?

Corroborate that testimony. Yeah that that actually took place. How do we get to the bottom of that now? I want to say that's a very very important thing here. This is I think key right now in the times that we live in today.

There are a lot of different therapies. That happened today on a large scale in the hospital system medical system. We have today when I was a chaplain for four years at a at a hospital full-time. Every month they had one day dedicated to a very special seminar you could be a part of that was literally from like 8 in the morning until like maybe 5 or 6 o 'clock at night and You could voluntarily participate in a seminar thing where they basically try to help people.

Who were addicts who were using drugs and alcohol to try to cope with pain that from their past or something like that? That you could take this seminar and what the seminar ended up doing and I saw it every day I'm sorry every month for four years every month for four years I had been counseling with people for a long period of time and when they would go into this seminar.

They would always come back with some sort of sexual trauma or some memory. That they all of a sudden had that they had never ever had before and they never. They never remembered this thing and all of a sudden they went to this thing and now they had a memory of a sexual trauma.

And so I want you to know that this is really critical today because this happens a lot and it's been debunked many many times Over. I'm not saying that every case is the same. I'm saying that this this particular trauma.

Finding a trauma and repressed memory sort of thing is is is a very important thing to analyze. I think it's important to recognize that with these different therapies we have today. There are times that people will go into a therapy session and they will come out with a sexual trauma.

And it's interesting because as you as you learn about these sexual traumas that they never remembered before never had before. You'll learn oftentimes that people have a very fuzzy memory of it. Not a lot of details just sort of images and their images that many people would argue are implanted through the therapy process.

Yes, it's possible to actually earn a sexual trauma memory in some of these seminars and sorts of things. I'm not saying that's true of every case brothers and sisters. I'm saying that of course there are times where there's trauma that's so bad.

We tried to forget but there are there are times where it is possible and you just need to research this yourselves for people to actually get a trauma experience through these therapy sessions and different tactics and strategies that the therapists have been trained in.

To actually guide people through a process of ultimately getting a trauma. And so we just have to be cautious about that. So here's what's interesting in Wade. That was Wade there in Wade's Testimony there know this he didn't have a single Incident he didn't have a single incident.

He says that it happened all the time every day. He was with Michael Jackson he said that whenever they were together this happened and he would have different details of different events that happen and That's his that's his explanation.

Now if you watch the leaving Neverland, I'm never gonna get that right today. If you watch leaving Neverland, you'll see that Wade actually wasn't in us like just every once in a while He'd see Michael Jackson.

He like Lived with Michael Jackson. Yeah slapped with Michael Jackson. His family stayed with Michael Jackson. Here is Michael Jackson special video of Michael Jackson sending a home video to Wade on his birthday.

Here is Michael Jackson doing that. Hello Wade.

Congratulations a little one. Today is your birthday. I don't celebrate birthdays, of course. But I thought I would take this moment to say congratulations On the day that you were born. And in my opinion you should spend this day with your mother and your father who conceived you and you should be giving them the presence And being thankful that they brought you into the world.

And the future is yours and you can do whatever you want. So congratulations. I Love you. Goodbye.

And I don't know if it's time to go there yet. I know we were chatting earlier about the role of parents and protecting their children in this regard. Because if something like this is true, yeah, and this is actually happened.

You shouldn't be celebrating with your parents and thanking them for the job that they did in allowing this to happen. Mm-hmm. It's something to where this scripture says we need to abstain from the appearance of all evil.