Jeff Talks New Age with Steven Bancarz

The New Age as a Path Away from Christ

And one of the things that I immediately noticed was this track that goes from this field right into the New Age. And it's almost like if you embrace this field, it leads to a denial of Christ's deity, Christ's message.

It just went hand-in-hand. And that's the one thing I said, is if you go this direction, it's not neutral. If you grab hold of this worldview, it now removes the need for Jesus' redemption, the Word of God as the Word of God.

And so it's really fascinating to hear somebody that genuinely went that course.

The Law of One, Panentheism, and Astral Projection

Yeah, I genuinely went that course. And the contact material that I was reading, I was reading something called The Law of One, and it was explicitly denying Christ and it was pushing a sort of, more of a panentheistic model whereby humans can sort of move their way up a scale of deification, depending on their psycho-spiritual development.

And that, to me, it seemed to make sense at the time. And they encourage people to practice things that will help elevate them to a higher state of consciousness. And something I started practicing was, well, obviously meditation, but lucid dreaming and in particular, astral projection, like actually leaving my body.

And not just dreaming that I'm leaving my body, like my spirit man being outside of my body, being in the same layout of everything. And that to me, I had two experiences like that once where I observed real things that were happening in my house that I couldn't have known were happening, like very specific details right down to what was on television at that particular time.

And that to me, I thought I was like hacking the matrix. I thought I was really onto something. And I was practicing a lot. I was researching a lot. And it reached a point where, now I'm actually, my little brother's friends were so interested in this stuff.

Human Thirst for the Supernatural and the New Age View of Consciousness

Like people are really thirsty for the supernatural.

Yep.

They're really, really thirsty. And they don't know that they have that in Christ and in the Holy Spirit. And I didn't, I thought it was like a dry religious system. The New Age actually teaches that everything, every kind of belief system is really just a play in consciousness.

That we are all consciousness experiencing itself as different personalities to learn about itself. And so it doesn't ultimately matter what the content of your mind is. It's just a form that arises in your consciousness and then it goes back away.

Is it in a sense sort of like a universal mind?

There's a universal mind that is experiencing itself as individual persons.

Yes.

And so we're just kind of playing this role out so that way the universe can learn through our experience.

New Age Ideas in Chiropractic and Dowsing

It's interesting too. Are you catching, do you hear it? So it's interesting how the New Age, these ancient beliefs sort of morph and turned into different flavors and sort of work their way into other things, practices.

For example, there's a form of chiropractic care called Corrin's specific technique. That's really, it's only, it's new. It's a newcomer. It's since about the year 2000. There's a guy named Dr. Corrin who created it.

But that whole world, he borrowed from the New Age world. And there's the idea of this universal mind. And all of our minds can actually leave our bodies and enter into another body to try to do a diagnosis, like to figure out what's wrong in the body.

And a lot of Christians even impacted by this, they go and do this chiropractic care and don't realize that the practices are dowsing, New Age technique of dowsing to get to information. And the idea is that my mind enters your body and figures out information.

And Christians are duped by this. But it's interesting because it's a New Age belief.

Yeah, it is.

Yeah.

Rejecting Christianity as Irrelevant and Building a New Age Platform

And so basically, I thought that Christianity was in principle irrelevant by virtue of the fact that all religious beliefs and so forth are, you're just trading one set of thoughts for another. And so I was convinced that there's just really no need for any kind of faith or belief, since we're all just the universe experiencing itself.

We all return to source eventually anyways. I made a Facebook page to share some of this stuff with people who are asking me questions and so forth as a culmination of my research. And the Facebook page grew pretty quickly.

Basically, I had the largest New Age YouTuber reach out to me and said he liked my Facebook page and we started collaborating, networking with other Facebook pages. And then, you know, I had 500 ,000 likes on my page and then I decided that I need to make a website.

Give us some of your tips.

You can talk after. I had 500 ,000 likes on my page and then I made a website called SpiritScienceMetaphysics .com. And at the time, it was, you know, top three largest New Age websites in the world as soon as I launched it because of the Facebook pages I had access to.

I was getting, you know, 200 ,000 views a day on it on average, you know, up to three quarters of a million. And the articles that seemed to do the best were actually ones pertaining to the afterlife, near-death experiences, reincarnation and so forth.

And people were just drinking it up. And I'll share this on here. I haven't shared this publicly on film yet, but the income, just people should know, it was, the AdSense revenue was 40 to 50 grand a month.

And to me, I thought that that was divine confirmation from the universe and from God that I was on the right track. And I thought I was attracting that into my reality through like the law of attraction and that God was blessing me for waking humanity up.