Is agreeing to disagree the correct response to conflict?

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I Want to move right in to what I wanted to talk about tonight tonight is gonna be another one of those

Controversial topics maybe for some people maybe it won't be for many of you But I think it's it's something that I've thought about in in my studies in in my interaction with people is it's something that That I've thought through and thought about and I wanted to share with you those thoughts

Concerning this this subject that I posted in the in the in the advertisement for tonight's video and if you if you read it or saw it, you know that I'm gonna be talking about the

Response or the phrase Let's just agree to disagree Let's agree to disagree

I'm sure you've heard it if not Used it yourself. I'm sure most all of us have probably used it at one time or another

The phrase agree to disagree. Let's agree to disagree. And the question is the question that I asked myself

When I begin to hear it it hit my ears funny and it made me think it made me contemplate on on whether I should

Be you know using that phrase and I wanted to share with you my conclusions. So the question is

Is it is it a legitimate response for Christians? to Use that phrase or that response

To it when we're in a conflict with someone. Let's just agree to disagree Is it legitimate and I want to share with you?

my thoughts on that issue and you are welcome to tell me your thoughts on the issue and Share your comment

Whether you agree or disagree or however you feel about anything that I say throughout this discussion about agreeing to disagree

And it may not it may not interest everyone But I just wanted to share with you my thoughts on the subject so the first things first You may have heard me say this this phrase comes up Let's agree to disagree when we're in conflict with someone.

So the question is what is what is conflict and What I come up with is that conflict is a is a disagreement between folks and it can be the the process of that disagreement and Can be negative the results can be negative, you know, the whole the whole discussion everything about it could be negative

Excuse me, or It can be civil It can be negative or it can be civil but it but it's a disagreement between folks that can be negative or it can be civil simply put

It is a discussion of differences. A conflict is a discussion of differences

And and of course, I don't think many of us really like I mean there may be some folks that like the the the negative

Aspects of conflict they may feed off of it but most of us don't like the negative aspects of Having a conflict with someone but in simple terms a conflict is discussing discussing differences with one another so Another question that I thought of is is it okay for Christians to Discuss differences with one another.

I mean, I feel like so often in My Christian experience my

Christian journey my interacting with folks a lot of people just simply avoid Having discussions about disagreements about Things that you believe about the

Bible about politics, you know, one of the big things that that people say when you a reminder or a warning when you when you're at work or around a dinner table

Two things they say to avoid When you're when you're meeting with folks and that's religion and politics and that's just to avoid conflict

And so the question is is it okay for Christians to have it is have a discussion about differences

Is that okay? Well the thing about it is is that it's inevitable for Us to have differences of opinion

We're gonna have difference differing opinions about things and it's because that none of us are the source of truth and None of us are perfect.

So therefore we are going to have differences and differing opinions

About things in this world and about things in Scripture. It's just gonna happen.

So we've got to Figure out how to talk about those differences

Because because they're there they're always going to be there and I want to look at one one large portion of Scripture tonight

Well, it's not too large but it's it's gonna be several verses 2nd Corinthians chapter 5 verses 11 through 21

Just wanted to read it to you In relationship to having disagreements having conflict and and what what

Paul is saying here about How God works how God wants us to work in in those differing opinions and Let me just read the verses to you and it may

It may help or may help you think about what our God's role is and what what he wants our role to be but 2nd

Corinthians chapter 5 starting in verse 11. It says Therefore knowing the fear of the

Lord. He says Paul says we persuade men Now, isn't that interesting that in I know at least in my experience

Maybe that it's the same for you that a lot of people try to avoid confrontation try to avoid discussions about differences, but here

Paul is saying We persuade men Almost he's saying we we go after that Discussion We don't avoid it.

We go after it. He says we persuade men, but we are made Manifest to God and I hope that we are made manifest also in your consciences.

We are not again Commending ourselves to you but are giving you an occasion to be proud of us that you may have an answer

For those who take pride in appearance and not in heart. So At some point

Paul's wanting to to, you know work in them and Have this growth in them to where they have an answer to give in response to Discussion or conflict or other things that may arise?

He wants them to have an answer and it reminds me of what Peter said Also, he says be ready at all times to give an account or an answer

So we need to Be Engaged in the conversation be engaged in the discussion and Be ready to give an answer

Paul is going after the conversation trying to persuade and he's wanting his his listeners to work up in themselves answers to give and then verse 13 for if we are beside ourselves

It is for God if we are of sound mind It is for you for the love of Christ controls us having concluded this that one died for all

Therefore all died and he died for all that they who live should no longer live for themselves

But for him who died and rose again on their behalf, so that's you know, that's what he's doing

He's he's dying to himself and and living for Christ, you know going after that conversation

Trying to persuade others Therefore from now on we recognize no man according to the flesh

Even though we have known Christ according to the flesh yet. Now we know him thus no longer

Therefore if any man is in Christ, he is a new creature the old things passed away behold new things have come

Now all things are from God who reconciled us to himself Through Christ and gave us the ministry

He gave us the ministry of reconciliation namely that God was in Christ Reconciling the world to himself not counting their trespasses against them and he and He has committed to us the word of reconciliation

Therefore we are ambassadors for Christ as though God were Entreating through us

We beg you on behalf of Christ to be reconciled to God He made him who knew no sin to be sin on our behalf that we might be the righteousness of God In him and you see that we're there in verse 20.

He's entreating as though God were Entreating through us. So there's that pursuit

That Language again, he's pursuing this God is entreating you through us to be reconciled to God and reconciliation is part of this conversation of having disagreements and having

Conflict where you have two differing opinions But God wants us to be reconciled with him and a part of this ministry of reconciliation

He wants us to be reconciled with others So if we if we take the common approach and avoid conflict and avoid the discussion of disagreements

Then we avoid this ministry of reconciliation So I just wanted to share those verses with you to help help us get on the right track with this conversation

So the question is How do we go about conflict now, that's that's not the the topic that I'm discussing this evening

But there are Umbrella Umbrella or umbrella, excuse me umbrella responses

Three of them and there there's different different responses under each umbrella

But there's three umbrella responses to to conflict to having a conversation

Having differences with someone and I want to focus on that one that I mentioned earlier

And talk about it tonight the response Let's just agree to disagree as a response to Conflict we have in our lives.

And so though it may be popular very popular

Is it a legitimate response for us as Christians in an argument So I wanted to I want to dig a little bit deeper and look at that question tonight

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So let's take a look at those those those three different umbrella responses to conflict

And then we'll look at our response that we're focusing on tonight. I'm sure you've heard two of these main responses

They're often referred to commonly as fight or Flight, so when we're in a disagreement in a conflict, we have two major umbrella responses that's either to be aggressive and fight and go at it with someone or To fight to get out of dodge and and leave and just avoid it all together

Then there's the third the correct response the gospel response And I'm I've got a chart here in front of me and this charge comes from A little

Bible study book that I just went through with a men's group that I meet with on Thursday mornings It's called the gospel center life by Robert Thune and and Will Walker and this chart comes from inside that little booklet

To help us understand these three different responses. So we're gonna look at the first one The the fight response and the book changes the wording just a little bit

They call fight attack, so the attack response What's the heart foundation but behind the attack or fight response?

It's self -righteousness What is the power source of the attack response?

The power source is our flesh and our pride What is the commitment to the attack response?

It's to be right What is the What is the direction of this attack response it's to argue or Subdue, what is the feeling that we get from this attack response that that life is safe And what is the goal of this attack response?

Self -protection we want to protect ourselves at all costs. And then what is the result of this attack response to conflict?

It's hurt and or Divisiveness All right.

Now we looked at the attack Column, let's look at the flight or what the book refers to Withdrawal response we withdraw from the scenario

What is the heart foundation of the withdrawal or flight? It's insecurity. What's the power source?

flesh and fear What is the commitment to the flight or withdrawal response to avoid the conflict

What is the direction to deny or appease in? The fight or withdrawal response.

What's the feeling that that life is less painful for me if I just if I just avoid it

What is the goal in the fight or withdrawal response peace with quotes

Not true peace Not the peace that comes from the spirit, but a false sense of peace, but we feel like it's it's peace

We're getting peace by just avoiding conflict. And then what is the result of the the flight or withdrawal response?

bitterness and separation And then the last one the correct response

The gospel response to to conflict. So what's the heart foundation of the gospel response?

Repentance and forgiveness What's the power source? Of course, it's the Holy Spirit What's the commitment in the argument the discussion in the conflict is to understand and engage?

What's the direction? to convey or Invite to convey or invite.

What's the feeling? The feeling is life is challenging

Can't avoid that but that's that's a real true feeling that that's

It's not it's not false. It's not giving a false sense of security like like life is safe or Life is less painful.

That's just that's just us being blind to reality. This is a Reality or a real feeling that's that's an appropriate feeling to have with a gospel response, you know life is challenging and Then what's the goal in the gospel response to conflict?

God's glory and They're good. And Then what's the result?

Healing and reconciliation that that's the goal in the kind of conflict that we have with one another it's healing and reconciliation

That's the gospel response So now that we looked at the three columns the the fight or attack

The flight or withdrawal or the gospel response Think with me

When we respond to conflict to having a disagreement with someone

What is What column does our response? Let's just agree to disagree which column

Does that fall under does it fall under the the fight or attack column Does it fall under the flight or withdrawal column or does it fall under the gospel response column?

well, unfortunately it falls under the flight withdrawal

Column, can you hear it when you say that to yourself or when you hear me say it?

Let's just let's just agree to disagree that it's not It's not fighting

But yet it's not the gospel response either it's

It's the flight Removing myself from the conflict without a resolution.

Let's just agree to disagree and Unfortunately, just like the fight or attack column is an inappropriate response if it falls under the flight category as well

It's going to be an inappropriate response to So my next question is why do we why do we use that phrase?

Why don't we use that phrase? Let's let's just agree to disagree Well, I come up with two reasons and there may be others and if you have another reason why you think

That we use this phrase. Let's just agree to disagree Let me know put in the comments and let me know what you're thinking

The first one is the first reason why I think that we use this phrase It's because the the phrase the response

Let's just agree to disagree. It is worded in such a way as to be a camouflage or It's camouflaged as a gospel response and how is that because it has the word agree in it a

Gospel response is meant to bring resolution and reconciliation and To agree on something means that the relationship has either been

Restored or salvaged, right? So by using by using the word agree in This scenario it provides a counterfeit piece.

You remember the column Sorry about the noise. Sorry about the noise What what's the goal in the the flight or withdrawal column?

The goal is that that peace? We're trying to find that peace.

I just want there to be no conflict and peace between us and so the

Just agree to disagree Having the word agree in there Camouflage is that whole phrase to give us a counterfeit or a false sense of peace and Then it allows us to ignore the word disagree in the statement and Forget that there's a disagreement still present in the scenario.

Does that make sense? If it doesn't make any sense, if anything I'm saying doesn't make sense, please ask a question in the comments

Let me know what you're thinking so that was that's the first reason I think that we we use

That that statement or that phrase as a response in conflict The second one that I come up with is this some use it and I would say that most mostly unknowingly so that when when people use it, they do it mostly unknowingly as As a prideful act of self -proclaimed spiritual maturity

And what do I mean by that? In other words, it is an easy way to reveal our spiritual superiority over another person especially when there when there's eyes of onlookers watching on Especially in the eyes of onlookers,

I wrote it better than I said it Because some people want to argue instead of discuss the subject with love

That's exactly where I'm going. Yep. So we tend to use the phrase to get out of the discussion all together

Absolutely Fantastic. That's exactly. Yep. That's exactly what I'm saying. Tammy. You got it.

I'm glad we're glad we're in agreement on that but yeah Second reason why

I think that we use this phrase It is an easy way to reveal our spiritual superiority

Over another especially in the eyes of onlookers We can show how spiritual we are

By saying let's just agree to disagree. I Think those are the two often main reasons why we use that phrase

But unfortunately and you can correct me if you think I'm wrong I believe that both responses are sinful number of the first response supports a

Willingness to remain blind to the unresolved conflict And then the second one is risk is a response that is prideful which is of course sinful in and of itself and then it's much more sinful when we remain in that pride and we

Remain in that disagreement and an unresolved conflict so there with all that said

What could somebody be thinking? What could someone be saying to me right now and in response to all that?

I just said You're I'm taking it to the extreme cases and And aren't there, you know, aren't there smaller?

Less significant spiritual matters that you know that we can have Disagreements on and yet still have fellowship.

Can't can't we, you know disagree with one another and still have fellowship? It sounds like you're making a mountain out of a molehill and it could sound that way and Yes, I can hear those responses to what

I've been saying because yeah, there are spiritual matters There are spiritual differences where we we will disagree

But we can still have fellowship with one another and there are some disagreements that we will have with folks that are that are of Such an importance in our you know

Christianity That we we just can't have fellowship with those folks. For example

You know, we believe that Jesus is God Now there may be someone of another

Religion cult that may say we believe in Jesus, but we don't believe that he's

God They may use the same name But it's a totally different person and we can't have fellowship with those folks

So that's just an example, but there are smaller matters that we can have disagreement on and yet still have fellowship

So why are you making this? Why are you making this apply to all?

disagreements and and What about those smaller matters?

Can we can we still have fellowship and and have disagreement all those smaller matters? And so let me answer

Those questions that I just presented. Yes, we can have fellowship and still have disagreements but then there's also a no and I'm going to qualify it like this if We want to hold on to this phrase

Let's just agree to disagree Then then no The answer is no to those questions there there aren't you know

Small less significant matters that we can have disagreements on and and still have fellowship

If we're going to use that phrase, let's just agree to disagree and there's a reason

We can have different disagreements and differences and yet remain in fellowship However, and I want

I want this to be clear however agreeing to disagree ignores the fact

That God is truth Agreeing to disagree

Ignores the fact that God is true. What does John 14 verse 6 say Jesus says

I'm the way the truth and the life and then John 17 17 says

Sanctify them in truth thou word is truth therefore ignoring the fact that truth exists creates a shallow false sense of fellowship so when we say let's just agree to disagree we are ignoring the fact that there's there's a standard out there that there's a truth that we must pursue and And we remain blind or ignore the our differences to have this false sense of fellowship and ignore that pursuit of truth and and it almost in essence ignores the fact there's a a

What's the word I'm looking for there's a truth out there black and white

What is the word I'm looking for Absolute truth that there's absolute truth out there and God is that absolute truth

Jesus said he is that absolute truth and that his word is that absolute truth and we don't want in any way to ignore the fact that that absolute truth is out there and it exists and fail to pursue it

So, how can we how can we have fellowship despite disagreeing? That's the question then if we're not allowed to or if we shouldn't use that phrase

Let's just agree to disagree because it ignores the fact that God is truth It ignores the fact that there's an absolute truth out there just so we can have this false sense of fellowship or or peace

So we can have this withdrawal or flight response How can we have fellowship despite disagreeing with one another and not sin

Let's start with this this quick phrase number one let's both acknowledge that an absolute truth exists and that Absolute truth is

God himself God the Father God the Son Holy God the Holy Spirit and his word

There let's agree that there's an absolute truth out there number two Let's both acknowledge that neither or none of us are the source of that truth

So if we have those two things settled we can we can really move forward if we can come into agreement that there's an absolute truth out there and and this is this is mainly between Christians having a disagreement or conflict with one another and remember when

I define conflict Most of the time when somebody says the word conflict What comes to our mind is

Something negative in argument, you know two people both responding with that fight or attack

Mentality, but it doesn't have to be that way a conflict does not have to be Unrest or or aggressive a conflict can be civil.

It's just a discussion of differences and An argument doesn't have to be negative an argument can just be a discussion of differences and so between Christians we can acknowledge that an absolute truth exists and Acknowledge that none of us and neither of us are that source of truth?

That's one and that's two and I'm answering the question. How can we have fellowship despite disagreeing and not sin?

So my third my third and final step here

Requires just a little explanation until we get to the end So, let me let me begin the explanation on step number three just as God and This this goes back to 2nd

Corinthians chapter 5 verses 11 through 21 Just as God is in the ministry of reconciliation

Reconciliation He says that we are as well and in like manner.

So At one point in our lives We we were in disagreement with God.

I mean, this is This is a really simple way to put it, but it's a very understandable way to put it at one point in our lives

We were in disagreement with God, right? Then he changed our hearts and And Then we became in agreement with him.

I agree with him that I need it I'm that I'm a sinner that I need a Savior and Then I agreed to that response of repentance and putting my faith in Jesus so at one point we were in disagreement with him and Then he changed our hearts and then we've become in agreement with him and there's that ministry of reconciliation that God is

About and that is a simple way to understand justification and then secondly as we begin to grow in holiness the

Holy Spirit Continually, and this is what growing in holiness means in a simple understandable way

The Holy Spirit continually brings us into agreement with his truth over time and this is what we know as sanctification growing in holiness conforming to his truth and and not our own and That's sanctification.

So that's the ministry of reconciliation and in like manner God has put us also in the ministry of reconciliation

Being reconciled first to God and then being reconciled with one another

So what does that mean for us? Ask yourself ask yourselves these questions ask yourself this these questions.

I apologize Can we agree to disagree with God?

Can we agree to disagree with with the scripture Can we agree to disagree with Jesus?

Can we agree to disagree with the Holy Spirit? Can you just imagine that?

We're the Holy Spirit is growing us in sanctification growing us in holiness and he reveals this truth to us that he wants us to He wants us to leave our false understanding of this truth and he wants us to come

Into conformity with Christ into agreement with him that this is right that this is the truth

Could you imagine yourself saying Holy Spirit? You know, I'm just gonna have to agree to disagree

To me the way that comes across to me would be Offensive to God offensive to Christ and offensive to the

Holy Spirit For us to have that kind of response to him conforming us to his truth

Therefore since since the

Holy Spirit role is to point the light on Jesus Christ and And conform us to his likeness which is sanctification

That should be our goal as well We should want folks to come to God and be reconciled to him and then

Grow in holiness and be conformed to the image of the

Son That should be our goal in Dealing with one another in our conflict our disagreements with one another therefore instead of saying let's just agree to disagree our

Goal with each other should be to pursue truth together with grace

Pursue truth together with grace and remember and be reminded that To ignore the disagreements to continue to use the phrase

Let's just agree to disagree is an ignoring that there's disagreements present and It's to ignore

That God is truth If we continue on that that same response

Then we ignore That there's disagreements and in essence, we are ignoring that there's

Truth that God is truth. There's absolute truth and scripture is truth

And and I wouldn't I wouldn't want us to go that route. I Would want us to pursue

Truth together and what is truth? Jesus said he is truth and what's the role of the

Holy Spirit to conform us into the image of the Son? And so therefore we should have the same desire for one another

I Would I would hope that you would want me to conform to the image of the Son and I have the same desire for you as well, so You know, it's this is something that It this type of conversation about whether to use the phrase let's agree to disagree

Should not cause us to attack one another And it shouldn't cause us to withdraw from the conversation the gospel response even to this conversation

Is to pursue truth together To conform to the image of the

Son So I hope that was helpful. I hope that was encouraging to you and and if it if it was and it is

Just so that it's just because it's a way to help us reach our community together

Like share comment and and help me lock arms with me in in reaching our community.

So I've been with you long enough this evening. I'd like to pray And worship

God in prayer and and pray for you if you would like prayer. So Let me know if I can pray for you love to be able to do that and I Don't see anybody right now requesting prayer

But if anybody does later in the notifications, I Surely will see that So if you're still with me, let's uh, let's pray together father

We worship you and we thank you for the time that you've given us together And I pray father and I and hope in you that this was a worthy

Conversation to have and I hope that it was helpful. I hope that you were honored Father we want to thank you for the veterans

That you've given us Those who serve in our military those whom you've given the courage and the strength and the fortitude and the the willingness to want to give their lives in service to protect the people of this nation the integrity of this nation and Your Your gift of a nation to us as being good stewards father

Thank you for giving us those people. Thank you for those people father We ask a special blessing on those individuals and their families tonight

Father we we honor them and We we thank you for them father.

We thank you for your word and we thank you for justification Thank you for this ministry of reconciliation that we may have life in you

Thank you for the the ministry of the Holy Spirit were where he grows us and conforms us to the

Son Father we would be hopeless and helpless without you And so we thank you and worship you tonight in Jesus name.

We pray. Amen All right. Thank you guys for watching. I really appreciate it. Thank you for your support.

Thank you for your prayers Remember that Jesus is our King and he is Jesus is

King Go live in that victory and let's continue to go out there together and share the gospel