The Continuing Decline of Modesty — David Cooper

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Good morning, all you brothers and sisters. Greetings to you in Jesus' name this morning. I had one of those mornings where I thought that I would easily cover my material and then it exploded on me as I got into it and began putting my sermon together.

I thought I had all my thoughts together and then ended up with a lot of other thoughts that came when I started putting my sermon together this morning. So, I'm going to bite off a big chunk and chew with all my might.

The Continuing Decline of Modesty

God help me. I'd like to speak this morning on the decline of modesty. The continuing decline of modesty is the title of this message. And as I've been looking into the Word of God and meditating on this subject, I'd like to say at the beginning, I'm very aware that I am a child of my generation.

And as I speak this morning, while I intend to speak, as it were, the oracles of God, because that's what the Scripture commands us to speak in the Church of God, yet I am speaking from my own background, my own nation, my own perception, and my own limitations and my own smallness this morning.

I'm aware of that. However, having said all this, the Bible is not silent on this subject. Do not deceive yourself to your own hurt by writing off what I'm about to share as the mistaken concepts of a foolish preacher.

But rather, open your heart to the Word of God. And I'm saying not to me, but open your heart to the Word of God. And could you just simply pray this prayer? Lord Jesus, do you have something to say to me about the area of modesty in my life?

Could we kneel for prayer as we begin this message? Yes, Heavenly Father, we approach thy throne to ask grace to help in time of need. We take hold of the promises of your Word. We lay hold of those things which you have given unto us, by which we might be partakers of the divine nature.

Thank you, Lord. We lift up our prayer here, not in hopelessness, but in earnestness. We need you, Lord. Not only do I need you to guide my lips this morning, not only do I need you to clarify my thoughts and guide my words, but we need the work of your Spirit in this place, in the hearing of the Word, in the understanding of the Word.

We are wholly and unlimitedly dependent upon you this morning. So I come and lay my petition before you with your people. In the name of Jesus. Amen. I'd like to begin quickly this morning by defining a couple of words.

Biblical Definitions of Modesty and Shamefacedness

There are two Greek words in the New Testament, or in the Bible, that speak of modesty. One is the word kosmos, which maybe some of you are familiar with in the book of Timothy. The other word is eidos.

I'd just like to give a little bit of definition to what modesty means in the Scripture. It's very interesting that in our English language, it's the same. Not always do we find that English words are exactly the same as the Greek renditions, but in this case, the concept is surprisingly similar.

Kosmos means orderly, well-arranged, decent, or modest. The word eidos means modest or reverent, fearful or reverent, respectful, or shame-faced, which is in the book of Timothy, it actually uses the word shame-facedness.

Webster defines it like this. Interesting. Modest comes from the French word modeste and the Latin word modestus. In other words, both of them had a very similar word. It means moderate, unassuming. It comes from the base word modus, which is to measure.

In other words, it's measured. It was calculated. It's something that's done on purpose. Webster's definition says this. Having or showing a moderate or humble opinion of one's own value, abilities, achievements, etc., or unassuming, that's modest.

Not forward, shy, or reserved as modest behavior. Behaving according to a standard of what is proper, or decorous, or decent, pure. And now, especially, this is a newer dictionary saying this. Now, in other words, in our generation, especially, it means not displaying one's body, but that was not the primary meaning in the beginning.

Showing or caused by moderation, not extreme or excessive as a modest request. Quiet and humble in appearance, style, as a modest home or a modest apartment. It is synonymous with reserved, unobtrusive, diffident, bashful, coy, shy, decent, becoming, chaste, virtuous.

That is actually a very accurate description of what the Bible uses the word as in the book of 1 Timothy there, and the book of Hebrews, I believe it is. I'd also like to look at one other word here, shamefacedness.

Shamefaced, surprisingly, comes from an Anglo-Saxon word, which means, the Anglo-Saxon word is skam fast, which literally says shamed fast. In other words, quick to be shamed. Isn't that self-defining?

If we think about it, a man or woman that is shamefaced is governed by that which is considered proper and decent, and would easily be ashamed to act improperly or indecently. It actually means, shamefaced literally means, I would be ashamed to act like that.

It's someone who's being governed by decency. It's their being governed by a standard of rule of ethic in their life that they would be ashamed if they would act in an indecent manner. Shortly, it can be said, they are easily ashamed.

Nakedness, Shame, and the Fall

Well, I'd like to begin in the book of Genesis, if you would. Turn there to Genesis 2 .25. We all know the story, God made man and woman in the beginning, put them in the garden. He made man in the beginning, put him in the garden.

Then he also made woman for man from his rib and brought her to him. And they were given charge over the animals. And in verse 25 of chapter 2 it says,. And they were both naked, the man and his wife, and were not ashamed.

Turn to chapter 3 verse 7. This is after the fall of man, when they had eaten of the fruit that God told them not to eat, the fruit of the knowledge of good and evil. In verse 7 it says,. And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were naked, and they sewed fig leaves together and made themselves aprons.

And then in verse 21 of the same chapter, and it says, after God had cursed man, or cursed the ground on account of man, cursed the woman in her childbirth, and cursed the serpent. Then at the end of the chapter there in verse 21 it says,.

Unto Adam also and to his wife did the Lord God make coats of skins and clothed them. Clothed them. Who did the clothing? God did. Note that the shame of nakedness manifested by the newly awakened conscience of Adam.

Notice that. Here is a man who has walked with God. He has known the fellowship of God in unhindered fellowship. No shame, no guilt. And when he comes to know that he is naked, suddenly there is a guilt that comes over him in his conscience, that he is guilty before God.

When he lost his innocency, he was very conscious of his nakedness, which reflects not only his spiritual state, which reflects his spiritual state as well as his physical state. I don't believe that Adam just knew that he was naked, but the guilt and the awareness of sin in his life gave him a shame over his nakedness before God and also his nakedness before his wife.

Noah, Ham, and the Covering of Nakedness

Well, I would like to turn also to Genesis chapter 9, verse 18 through 27, in talking about modesty and its continuing decline in the world. This is an interesting passage of Scripture. It's brought in after the flood.

God has already recognized that every thought of man is evil only continually from his birth. He has destroyed mankind in the world. All living, breathing flesh died except for eight souls. That's Noah and his sons and their wives.

And they have all been destroyed. God has given them a new covenant, the Noahic covenant it's called, and sent them into the world and commanded them to fill the world with children and people. We're going to start all over with Noah and his sons.

And then it says, "...saw the nakedness of his father and told his two brethren without.". Now, there was no sin recognized here on Noah's account. Even the drunkenness is not recognized as sin in his life here.

Obviously, it's not wisdom. According to Solomon, it wasn't wisdom, but he has uncovered himself in his tent, which there is no wrong there either. Maybe it's hot or whatever and the heat of wine is upon him and he has uncovered himself in his tent.

But for some reason, his son Ham happened upon his tent. Maybe it was a mistake. Maybe he forgot to knock. I don't know how they knock on tents. But Ham came into the room where his father was lying uncovered.

And in his nakedness, he saw his father's nakedness. Now, many people try to read a lot of perverse things into these words. I don't believe any of them. It says here, "...Ham, the father of Cain, saw the nakedness of his father.".

And then, instead of covering it in decency, he went without the tent and then told it to his brothers, Shem and Japheth. And Shem and Japheth took a garment. A garment would be like a cloak. And they laid it both on their shoulders, Shem and Japheth.

They laid the cloak on their shoulders and they went backwards into the tent and felt their way to where their father was lying and laid the garment on their father to cover his nakedness. And their faces were backwards and they saw not their father's nakedness.

And Noah awoke from his wine and knew what his younger son had done unto him and he said, "...Cursed be Canaan.". That was Ham's son. "...Cursed be Canaan, the servant of servants shall he be unto his brethren.".

And he said, "...Blessed be the Lord God of Shem, and Canaan shall be his servant.". "...God shall enlarge Japheth, and he shall dwell in the tents of Shem, and Canaan shall be his servant.". Why does God include the details of this happening in the Oracles of Scripture?

Do you think that God wants us just to know about the curse upon the descendants of Ham? Is that God's reason for including this passage here? He's almost all done speaking about Noah. There's just generations and Noah will pass off the scene of Scripture.

The flood is over. God has already made Noah for all generations a preacher of righteousness and stamped him with the righteousness of a man that he saved out of the entire world. And yet here at the end of this book, God saw fit to put this passage of Scripture and say, Oh yes, one more little story about Noah.

Is it just so we can know that Canaan was cursed by God and all his descendants? I don't believe so. Or does God have something to say about modesty? At this point when evil has been destroyed and God is jealous to make a fresh start with Noah and his sons, He is making a plain statement that He has a strong opinion about modesty.

Just in what the Bible has said up until now, I would say these things. The heart of Shem and Japheth is eroding in our generation. The heart of Shem and Japheth that lay the cloak over their shoulder and go through all means and all ends not to look at the nakedness of their father and cover him.

That heart is eroding in our generation. Where do you find someone with a heart like that nowadays? Now, I'd like to say that a Christian does not need to be defiled by the immodesty of the world. You can be men and women and boys and girls just like Shem and Japheth who are not ashamed to make modesty an issue and turn their eyes away from looking on the nakedness around them.

Isaiah 33 .14 says, Who among us shall dwell with everlasting burnings, speaking of God? He that walketh righteously, speaketh uprightly, despiseth the gain of oppression, shakes his hands from holding bribes, stops his ears from searing of blood, and shuts his eyes from looking upon evil.

Guarding the Eyes in an Immodest World

My counsel in that situation, I'm going to intersperse a little bit of my counsel from what my Christian experience has been, but my counsel to all of us is when you're put in a situation where you must speak with a man or a woman who are not dressed, or dressed very immodestly, my counsel is to look at their face.

That's just a very practical piece of information. You know, you wonder what to do. I mean, here's this woman and she's almost undressed and yet I've got to do business with her across the counter. Look at her face.

Don't let her catch you with her eyes, the Bible says. But look at her face and I would encourage you, if you're dealing with a man who is just very ungodly in his dress, you look at their face because they're people behind those eyes.

They're people. But let's not be ashamed to be ashamed in our generation. Often divert your eyes and look somewhere else while you're talking and make them know that you're very uncomfortable with the way they're dressed.

And it's not a shame for us to be ashamed of nakedness and immodesty in our generation. I had a young lady sitting in a small church meeting that I was preaching at one time. I was preaching out of the book of Genesis on the flood and how the world has made light of the wrath of God that is coming upon the world.

And she had come in there and she was sitting there with a miniskirt and I don't think I'm exaggerating that any higher and if she had any on, her panties would be showing. I mean, she was very, very ill-clad.

And she was sitting there with her legs crossed and as I began to preach about the wrath of God upon the world, she began to pull on her miniskirt. And the thing just wouldn't get longer. And she became uncomfortable under the wrath of God and under the hearing of the Word of God.

She sat there unclad. I didn't say anything about immodesty. All I spoke about was God. And I spoke about God's wrath on the world and sin in the world and her conscience. She literally pulled her skirt for almost a half an hour.

Like this. Hoping it would get longer. That is not something to avoid. To make a person aware that you are not dressed properly in the eyes of God is not a wrong thing to do. It may be to their salvation.

It may awaken their conscience again to the course of their life. I would say though, if it is possible, let's not do it unkindly. Let's not do it with a bitter spirit. But let's not be ashamed to be ashamed.

Beware also of looking a person up and down. If you know what I mean by that, when you see that they are not dressed, turn your eyes away. And I mean that by women as well as men. Women looking women up and down.

Men looking men up and down. It isn't necessary. Let's be those that can dwell within a continual burning. Who turn their eyes and close their eyes from looking upon evil. Women, do not think it is okay to look at other women who are immodest in their dress.

Beware, lest it take your heart. You know, I was at the airport the other day. I was flying back from Canada. And I just happened to notice, you know, some of the magazine racks there in the airport are traps for foolish souls.

And I was watching from across the way. I was sitting here and it was probably to the end of the room here, maybe 100, 200 feet. And I saw a woman go in there. And I couldn't see what kind of magazines they were from where I was because unfortunately I know those kind of things.

But a woman went in there and started going through those magazines with all the nude women all over the front. And you know why? It's because women's hearts can be snared by wicked women. They can try to change the pattern that I have in my heart for what a woman should be.

Beware of giving yourself to looking a woman up and down. Advertisers know that women appeal to women. A lot of your women's magazines, you know, the big Women's Day magazine, a lot of it is full of immodest women.

And it's not to trap the men. It's to trap women. Beware of wicked women. While we're talking about magazines, let's beware of those clothing magazines that display underclothing in full color. Many a young man and woman have lost their innocence in the Sears catalog.

I highly recommend that you do not do business inside of stores at the gas station that display pornography at the front counter like the one up the street here. Get a gas card and stay out of the store and do not send your children in there alone.

And please stay out of the men and women's underwear section at Walmart. Can I be that plain? Stay out of that place. I mean, I don't know how to do it, women, but for sure don't take your children in there.

Maybe you can buy it. I don't know what to do. But that is a wicked place. It is not good. You're going to have a hard time. Even the carpet has advertisements on it. It's just everywhere. You can't hardly keep your eyes anywhere.

It used to be safe to look at the ceiling. Now they put video screens up there. You can't look anywhere. They have placards on the ground. You can't look anywhere and be safe. About the only safe place is to stay out.

Clothing and Heavenly Holiness

All right, I'd like to talk a little bit about heaven now. And I'd like to say this to start with. Heaven is not. Period. Heaven is not naked. All the references to angels that are in the Bible, they are robed and girt about with gold.

They are clothed in heaven. In the book of Daniel, chapter 7, let's turn there. 7 verse 9,. And I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the ancients of days did sit. Who's the ancient of days? It's God, right?

The ancient of days did sit, whose garment was white as snow. God has a garment. It's as white as snow. In the book of Revelation, turn with me there to the first chapter, And I saw in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of Man clothed with a garment down to the foot.

That's how the Lord Jesus, having been raised from the dead, having ascended on high, and sat down at the right hand of God, He is clothed in a garment to His foot. Heaven is not naked. Never in Scripture is any heavenly being depicted as being naked in any way.

Rather, in Isaiah 6 -2, the angel that has six wings uses two of them to cover his naked feet. The artistic renderings of cherubim as chubby little children with wings and skimpy sheets falling over one's shoulder and exposing most of their naked bodies to the view of all, is a misconception spawned in the reprobate mind of an unregenerated religious man aided by the devil himself.

Much of what is revered by the scholarly of ancient art, be it Greek sculpture or medieval paint and canvas, is little more than the ignorant adoration of what is pornography in the eyes of heaven. Beware of the encyclopedia, the dictionary, and I would have to say the cyberhymnal.

I don't know how many of you are familiar with the cyberhymnal. It's a beautiful website of hymnology. It has been a blessing to many. But lately, in the last year, they've begun putting pictures next to the music and it's downright pornographic.

It is not godly. It's defiling. Stay off of it. And yes, you need to beware of your grandfather's Bible. I'm sorry, you can't leave that out. Some of that stuff that got inserted in those embossed big books and all those pictures at the center will defile your children.

In the Bible, think of it. Naked people in the Bible, in full color. What does heaven think? Those are not culturally accepted art. They are immodest and we should teach our children not to look at those things.

Don't look at those children. That's immodest. That is not pleasing to God. Nudists have a claim that they are breaking out of the bonds of social expectation and living a free life like the Garden of Eden.

But they forget that it was God who first clothed man. You see, they have made up a religion of their own according to their own perverse nature. And they have forgotten God in the beginning, when man first fell, clothed man.

It was God that recorded the account of Noah, Shem and Japheth. They don't know that heaven is clothed. And that even in the life to come, men and women will be clothed in raiment, white and clean. Robes of white.

It will be our clothing throughout every eternity. The Garden of Eden was a small period of history where men were naked and unashamed. But it shall never be again. In all of Scripture, men are clothed.

Women are clothed. Even in the eternal life to come. They refuse to accept the change that God has made. And they want to go back to the Garden of Eden. They refuse God's will. You see, God had a change of will.

He made man unashamed and naked. But He changed that and put clothes on man. And men on this side of that act want to say, no, I want to go back to the Garden of Eden. They are like the vegetarian who refuses to acknowledge the Noahic covenant that gave animals to Noah and all his descendants as food forever.

They are like the children of Israel standing at the promised land when God says, you shall not enter into Canaan land now. You shall go back into the wilderness and you shall die there. And they rose up and say, let us go and take the land.

And they refused to accept the change of will that God had brought into the world. And they suffered severely for it. But I have never known any man or group of men, any nation, and all the world, which is considered as less than nothing to him, to ever change God's mind.

Heaven is not going to change for all the world. If men say heaven is naked, it will not make heaven naked. If all of the world says it's right to go without clothes, it will not make it any more right.

Because heaven makes the rules. Nebuchadnezzar learned that the hard way. Heaven is the one that makes the rules. Though all men join hand in hand and agreement against heaven, heaven will not change.

Cultural Decline and the Call to Remain Unspotted

It seems to be what is precious in the sight of God is becoming less in the sight of men today. And it seems to be a predictable cycle that as the nations depart from God and from God's Word, that they remove their clothing.

It is a predictable cycle. It is almost a physical demonstration of the spiritual state. Just like Adam's guilt was not only a physical and mental, but a spiritual guilt. So spiritual defiance of God results in a physical immodesty and a breaking of God's code of modesty.

Heathen cultures, where the climate allows it, I would have to say, almost universally depart from modesty. Almost universally. Every one of your Caribbean and down there around the equator where there's any kind of ability to go without clothes year round, they do.

Yet even in those cultures, God has left the candle of conscience. It's interesting that even, you go to Papua New Guinea, we used to look into that quite a bit. Even in Papua New Guinea, where you would think there is no morality at all, it is totally debaucherated and heathen.

And yet there is a line, even in their conscience, that they would say this is proper and that is not. A man may be totally undressed, except for his extreme private parts. A woman may go topless and only the barest of essentials on any other parts of her, and yet they have a code of morality that says this is immodest.

Because God, I believe, has left a candle of conscience in every nation. And yet, they are departed nations. They have departed from God's morality. I also take note that in the Bible, it says of the demoniac that Jesus healed, he went without his clothes.

Something about the devil's influence in that man's life made him strip his clothes off and go naked. Maybe it was to the defilement of other people. Maybe he was trying to get back to Mother Earth or whatever his bewildered mind was trying to think up there.

But he had some imagination that this is what he should do, and he went without his clothes in the tombs. This is the devil's tactic in our day. We are being bombarded. And it is the tactic. We're warned that in the book of the Revelation.

It says in Revelation that the devil, the dragon, opened his mouth and poured water out like a flood so that the woman would be swept away by the flood. And I'm spiritualizing that. I don't know all the implications of that.

But I do understand this. That is the tactic of the devil in our day and has been in the past. He floods the world with wickedness and evil and bombards the church with it until slowly by slowly she is carried away and the tide takes her downstream and she finds herself miles from where she was years ago.

That is the tactic of the devil. Let us not play into that. The Bible says that true religion and undefiled in James 1 .27. Undefiled before God and the Father is this to visit the father and widow in their affliction and to keep oneself unspotted from the world.

The world is looking to spot you, Christian. The world wants to spot you. The world wants to throw some spot on you. It wants to defile your conscience. It wants to defile the way you think about your body.

The way you think about other people's bodies. It wants to spot you. True religion is to be undefiled by it. Unspotted. I have walked through this world. I have kept mine eyes. I am unspotted in the world.

Science, Medicine, and the Image of God

Science has affected our view of modesty. Science has affected our view of modesty. It is very plain to see that those that teach evolution have come to its natural and logical conclusion that we are all animals.

And therefore they act like animals. And they have no morality like animals. And their children who grow up under their teachings also act the same way. But man is not an animal. Science is wrong in what they are teaching.

Man, we are not animals. We are made in the image of God. We were clothed by the Most High Himself in the beginning. He gave us example. He gave us oracle. He has given us His revelation to let it be known that we are clothed beings.

We are heavenly beings. We are not animals. The medical profession is not modest. I don't have all the answers for you concerning medicine. But this I will state very plainly. The medical profession is not modest.

Are there classes in medical school on how to maintain heavenly modesty in medicine? Can anyone tell me of one class they have ever heard of how to maintain spiritual modesty in medicine? I don't believe it exists.

Because the fundamental first principle of medicine is to remove your conscience of modesty. Medical science does not view the body as immodest. They do not view it. They actually train their first catechism is to look at this body and get over the consciousness that it's a moral thing.

It is a body. But I don't believe heaven agrees with it. I don't believe heaven agrees. That's as far as I got with my ordered notes, so if it feels like I scatter from here, I have a lot of thoughts that I wrote down but didn't put them in order.

Modesty as a Matter of the Heart

But I have some things I'd like to say yet if I can go from there. I want to talk about modesty is an issue of the heart. Modesty is an issue of the heart. Men are doing things today in secret. In their secret life.

In the heart. Things are going on in the man's heart that then manifest in his public life later. Maybe you know somebody that you knew years ago and you haven't met them. And suddenly you meet them and you find them in a place that's shocking.

And you wonder, how did you ever get here? How did you ever find yourself in a place? It's because modesty is not an issue of outward restraint. It's a working of the heart. It's a turning of the eye by the inward desire of the heart to stay pure and to live within a continual burning.

And so, when you are first defiled of heart and you yield yourself in heart, it will sooner or later end up in your physical life. Men and women do not remove their clothing unless first in their hearts they have removed their conscience of immorality and modesty.

Modesty is a reflection of a condition of the heart. Someone has departed from their moral standard of modesty. When you see a woman or a man who is unclad or improperly dressed, it is not because they accidentally did what their friends did.

They departed from a moral standard. Somewhere along the line, bitterness, resentment or whatever, they departed from a moral standard of modesty in their life. Is not modesty a factor of a defiled heart?

Immodesty. And a step toward fornication. You know, one of the reasons that immodesty is a topic we need to preach here is because fornication is a topic that needs to be talked about here. The Scriptures are not silent about fornication.

Fornication is probably the fundamental and primary sin mentioned in the Bible. And immodesty goes hand in hand with it. The things that are going in the heart of the person that is unclothing himself are the very things that put men into fornication and drive men into fornication.

Actually, they go on in the heart long before they go on in the flesh. Where are you in your generation? Where are you in your generation? Do you find yourself going downstream? Or are you, like Matthew said, set your eyes to go upstream?

Yeah, I may not get very far upstream, but I'm going upstream. Take a little sensitivity test, if I can just ask you a question. What is your response when you see someone ill-clad? Is there a sense of agony, moral agony in your heart that says, I don't want to see that.

And when you're enveloped in it, is it agony to you and labor to you to look somewhere and not be carried away and unspotted by it? Or is it just you can just blend in there and look and everything? How sensitive are you to the area of modesty in your life?

When you dress in the morning, do you think about modesty? And maybe some of you, it's a long time dead issue and you're settled on it and all that. But I know some young people that don't. When you stand in front of the mirror, are your thoughts, am I modest in the sight of Heaven?

What does God think of my dress today? I don't know where to plug this in, but it's a thought. And I feel like somewhere in this message I want to say it, and I'm going to say it now. The beach is no place for a saint.

Now, I'm not talking about October, November. I'm talking about July, August. The beach is no place for a holy man of God or a woman of God. Period. Get off the beach. Stay off the beach. Unless you're down there like Stanley Dale was preaching the Gospel in a group of four or five who hold one another accountable and encourage one another on and then get out of there before they're beat up.

The beach is no place. You will be defiled. It will defile you. You cannot go there and just have a fun day with your family and swim on the beach while everyone is lying nude around you and think, oh, it won't bother me and it won't damage my children.

It will desensitize you at the least. It will defile you. Stay off the beach. Immodesty is sinful and defiling. And the world is numb to it. But while we are avoiding it, let us love men and women. I want to say that.

It seems like kind of a hard message. You know, like we want to just shut everybody out. But let me just say this. Jesus came into an immodest world too. They were doing wicked things in His eyes too.

God loved the world when the Bible says His eyes look on all the evil and all the good. And we see a little bit of it and it makes our soul agonize over it. God who saw it all, not only the outworking of it, but saw the heartworking of it, and yet He loved men and women enough to send His Son into the world.

But that does not mean that we just open ourselves up and change our way of thinking about modesty. It's still immodest. And praise God, they should be saved from their immodesty. Angels are waiting, the Bible says.

Jesus says they are waiting to rejoice when a sinner repents. We should have the same attitude. Not a dark hatred for people. Oh, such an immodest person. Not a darkness like that, but a very clear awareness.

This woman is immodest. This woman is not going to defile me. I hope this woman gets saved. Have an attitude like that. Ready to rejoice when she puts on her clothes and sees her error. That man, when you deal with him, not a, oh, that's a wicked man there.

You know, in a condemning, cutting off sort of way. But a way that acknowledges they're in their sin. That man is living in sin. But yet the Lord Jesus died for his soul. I think we can live like that.