Mormon/Christian speak at Mormon Temple (part 2)

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Just asking you. I'm asking the question. Is that what you believe? God the Father. There's no question.

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To you it was shown that you might know that the Lord, He is God. There is no other besides Him. As far as your and my salvation...

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Notice you're adding, notice you're adding... Wait, you're the one adding. Just forward it. Very simply it says, as far as you and I are concerned, there is no other besides God.

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No, it says there is no other beside Him. There is no other. 39. Know therefore today and take it to your heart...

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Sir, when you get over there, you'll notice it. That the Lord, He is God. You see Elohim. You see God. Can I finish?

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The Lord, He is God in heaven and earth. I've read that more times than you have. But you'll notice, sir, that while I'm giving you the text of scripture, you have to inject words into the text itself.

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No, you're the one injecting words. No, you did, sir. You said that that means pertaining to us and this earth. That's who

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Moses is writing in. Right, but it says, though, that there is no other besides Him.

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Notice you're adding those words. You accuse me of perverting the text, sir, and you're adding words into the text. Sir...

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What do you do, sir, with passages in the Bible that clearly display that the Mormon Church teaches a different God and a different gospel than the

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Bible teaches? What do you do with those texts? Let's just go to one scripture.

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Love to. Genesis 1, 26 and 27. Okay. Where God said, let us...

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We're there, and I love it. Let us create man in our image. What's interesting is that you'll find in the BC... Wait, wait, wait, before you tell me, are we creating in His image and likeness?

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Absolutely. Are we? Yeah, absolutely. And you'll notice that the same person who wrote Genesis was who?

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Genesis? Moses. Moses. So Moses, who wrote Genesis, writes that God says, let us create man in our image.

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And yet Moses, throughout the Pentateuch, the five books of Moses, teaches clearly... They're heroes for our

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Lord, our God, the Lord is one. There is only one God. None before, none after. So you can't be saying that the same person who pens the

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Pentateuch, the five books of Moses, would contradict what he's saying when there's only one God.

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But see, the thing is... If you understand who God is, they're one. One being.

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You believe in one in purpose, correct? One in purpose. Yeah, you believe in three beings. And when Moses says that, there is one

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God. Just like my wife and I, we're one. But you don't believe in... But Joseph clearly taught in the history of the church, he says...

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He says, many men say there's only one God. The Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit are only one God. He says,

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I say that's a strange God anyhow. Three in one, one in three, it's a curious organization. All to be crammed into one

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God according to sectarianism. But that's what you believe. Well, right, but that's what you were saying. No, that's what you believe. Well, of course. Well, I know better.

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He'd be a giant or a monster. He'd be as large as the universe and small as my arm.

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It's a wonder we don't bump into him all the time. Right. We ought to be invited here. Well, he's already here right now, speaking to you at the moment, right?

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He is. Yeah, he sure is. Okay, thanks for listening to me. Let us create man in our image. Notice that in the

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BC era, there's no record anywhere of a plural spoken of in the royal we sense.

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Like we as in one being. But it's Father, Son, Holy Spirit, and one being of God.

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I've already demonstrated to you that there's only one God. Let me tell you who that was. Yeah. Let me tell you right in the Scripture. God says, this is

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Elohim speaking. You know who Elohim is? Well, I believe Elohim is an interchangeable synonymous with Lord.

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God, Lord. You believe they're separate. You believe in the Trinity. Elohim is

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God the Father. Really? Jehovah is Lord God is

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Jehovah. So you believe that? You believe that Jehovah is Jesus, Elohim is

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Heavenly Father. No, Elohim. Jehovah is

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Jesus Christ. What do you do with a passage like this? See, Lord here in this passage is Yahweh, Jehovah.

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Okay? And capital G is Elohim. So let's see if that works. So you may understand that I am

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He. Before me there was no... So this is the Lord. This is Jehovah speaking. You say that's

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Jesus. He says, before me there was no Elohim formed. Well, what you're reading here...

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Okay, it says that you are witnesses, declares Jehovah. That's what the word Lord is there. And my servant whom

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I have chosen, so that you may know and believe me and understand that I am He. God the Father is also... Before me there was no

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Elohim formed. So this is Jehovah saying there was no Elohim formed before me. Do you see how that doesn't work?

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It makes a lot more sense in this screw God that you've got all screwed up here. Notice that the conflict is what you're creating.

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How come I don't turn to water all of a sudden if I screed in His image? I can be anything.

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Do you believe what Jesus says where Jesus says God is spirit? Do you believe that Jesus knew what a spirit was? I know.

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He said spirit, spirit. But you don't know what a spirit is. Well, I'll tell you what Jesus says. Jesus says, spirit does not have flesh and bone as you see me have.

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That's correct. So if God is spirit according to Jesus, and I think you would know. He says God is spirit. Spirit does not have flesh and bone as you see me have.

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So how do you square Jesus' own testimony about what spirit is with Joseph saying

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God has a body as tangible as man's? Well, what did he say to... Let's go to the very same scripture you're using now.

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Okay. He says, handle me and see. What's that? Sorry, I missed you.

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Let me go back to one point. What kind of body was Jesus Christ resurrected with? We're going to see it here tonight.

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The body He was crucified with. Okay, a body of what? Flesh and bone. The word became flesh. God became flesh.

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And he was telling them that a spirit wasn't like that. Right. So my father, so what he says is my father is not like this.

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He says, you're on the right track. You're on the right track. Did Jesus Christ have His body today?

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Yes. Did God the Father have His body today? The God the Father was not once a man. This is the difference in our beliefs.

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This is the difference in God. You and I don't worship the same God. I know because you don't rise all mixed up. No, no, no.

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It says, and God became flesh and dwelt among us. But remember when God became flesh,

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Jesus, He says, when He's talking about the Father, He says, God is spirit. Spirit does not have flesh and bone as you see me have.

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So how do you get the same God in Mormonism, who has a body of flesh and bone as tangible as man's, with Jesus' Father who is spirit and does not have flesh and bone?

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Jesus Christ's Father does have a body of flesh and bone. Where? Where?

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Where does it say that in the scriptures? I just showed you. You have to help me understand. Genesis 1, 26 and 27.

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Yes. Elohim speaking. He says, let us make man in our image after our lives. He made a body of flesh and bones for Adam and Eve.

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You believe that, but the problem is that image or likeness, image or likeness of God, right?

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Well, wait a minute. You believe that the Holy Spirit is a what? What? The Holy Spirit, does He have a body? Does He have a body?

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He has a spirit body. Spirit. So wait, you were created. Okay. So you believe the Holy Spirit has. Well, what happened to Him though?

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How come He didn't get a body? Well, I know more about that than you do.

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I'm asking for enlightenment. Well. Let me ask you a question. Do you believe that you're saved by grace and your works?

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I am saved by. It takes.

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James tells the answer to that. Go read that. James chapter 2. Whoever should keep the whole law and yet stumble on one point is guilty of all.

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No, he says faith without works is dead. Absolutely. But what kind of faith justifies you before God? Real faith, right?

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And if I have faith, I am justified, declared not guilty. Paul says in Romans 3 .28, he says,

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Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith apart from the deeds of the law. This church teaches that you are working towards exaltation with faith by grace through your works to get exaltation to become a

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God. Correct? Do you believe you're going to become a God one day? I know that. You do? I do know that.

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Well, what would you do with God if He told you you can't? Well, I know I can. If God says I am the first.

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I am His offering, am I not? And since you're made in His image? Sure. No, He said no.

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He says I am His offering. Right, but do you believe... If I'm in His offering, am I going to turn to that and be an elephant?

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No. Well, God already told you He's the first and the last, correct? Is He the first and the last? I will become like God.

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Is God the first and the last? I can become like God. Yes or no? I can become like God. Is God the first and the last?

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You don't know what you're talking about. You don't know how He's the first. You don't know how He's the last. He says there's no other God besides Him.

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He says, Is there a God besides me? Indeed, there is no other God. There's no other God. Huh? You don't have certain facts.

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You don't know where you're starting at. There's three steps to state the thing. You're just stating your theology. You're just stating your theology.

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You're not giving me any text. I know it's a theology. You're just stating your theology. I'll say it one more time. Yeah. You want to really take some time.

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You really want to... I'd love to talk to you. You've got my number. You've got my way to get a hold of me on this friend. I'll get a hold of you.

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Alright, get a hold of me. You really are sincere. Uh -huh. You really want to know... How about you, are you? I am.

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Are you? I am. So, if you were shown in God's Word that your belief about God is wrong and that your gospel is in conflict with Scripture, would you reject it?

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Yeah. If you showed me and the Holy Ghost bore witness to me, then

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I might listen to you. Fair enough. Fair enough. But, there's one thing you've got to remember.

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Yeah. God will never witness that two and two is five. It'll always be four.

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Okay. And that's what you've done to me. We're going to be right on with that. Very sure, yeah. Absolutely.