July 16, 2019 Show with Cody Curtis on “A Call for Worship Consistent with God’s Word, Rich in Sound Doctrine, & Intelligible for the Sake of Edification”

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Wishing you all a happy Tuesday on the 16th day of July 2019 one of the great blessings that I experienced recently on my way home from Franklin, Tennessee. Many of you know that I attended the Providence Theological Institute a Bible conference in Franklin, Tennessee very recently.

That was hosted by Grace Church at Franklin this conference was known as the John Bunyan conference and I was not only blessed at the conference itself, but on the way home to Pennsylvania I stopped and spent two days in Greensboro, North Carolina with new friends of mine Sterling and Brawny Vanderwerker.

They own Royal Diadem Jewelers in Greensboro, North Carolina, and you'll soon God willing be hearing their commercials for Royal Diadem Jewelers here on iron sharpens iron radio, but while visiting Both Sterling and Brawny in their gorgeous home there in Greensboro, North Carolina.

Brawny who is someone with not only personal music talent, but a great interest in and passion for music. She said to me you have got to meet and interview a friend of ours Cody Curtis. He is a composer and the leader of a musical group called Salos.

And she began to play for me some of the music produced by Salos, and I immediately said yeah. Let's get Cody on my show and she put me on Skype and Cody and I had our initial conversation and he Enthusiastically agreed to be on the program and today is that day Cody Curtis is my guest for the very first time.

And today we are going to be speaking about a call for worship Consistent with God's Word rich in sound doctrine and intelligible for the sake of Edification and it's my honor and privilege to welcome you for the very first time ever to iron sharpens iron radio.

Cody Curtis. Thanks for having me Chris. Hey, the pleasure is all mine Cody and if you could Tell us a bit about this musical group Salos that you are a part of that you. Where you serve as a composer and you are the leader of this group tell us about this group and After that, we'll have you give your personal Salvation testimony, which is a tradition here in iron sharpens iron radio whenever we have first-time guests, but first, let's hear about Salos.

So our listeners Who are going to be hearing your testimony will have more of an idea of who you are now.

Salos, Its Mission, and Its Early Albums

Before we even hear more about the testimony of yours group that my wife and I started in 2012 and we we created it with the mission to Theologically rich and artistically excellent music that leads people to worship God and to study his words.

That was we started it was just the two of us when we began and it has grown since then To a lot more people involved, but we're both still involved more behind the scenes me Primarily was just the writing and engineering and produce.

We just wanted to write music. That was you know lyrics that are consistent with scripture origin theology poetic witty and imaginative and Intelligible for the sake at some musical goals of you know, when we're writing corporate worship.

We wanted to make sure it made of the magic of adventurous artistic all these things and really we wanted to help to a temporary Christian music in a positive way and so we began that in 2012 With this album called slave songs.

It was one that we recorded in our apartment when we were living in Greensboro serving at a church with Ronnie and Sterling Vanderwerker and Started off really small slave songs was this album. Based on the biblical metaphor of spiritual slavery how we are born slaves to sin and how through Christ We are ransomed from that slavery made to be slaves of God and so from there we have I think we've done three major albums and we are Now taking New Testament letters of the Bible and setting them to music not in a word-for-word manner, but more of a poetic paraphrase a way of teaching the overarching story of each epistle and a way that is a Believers can understand and those who've never even read these books of the Bible can come in contact with them for a first time.

And so trying to use music to teach scripture to glorify God. And just to lead people in greater understanding of scripture. And so we we've been doing that really since 2012 for now in partnership with Union University where I I work I teach here at the music department at Union We our goal is really to set off 21 New Testament epistles of music one day and we have three down.

We've done Romans Hebrews, and we just released Jude about a month ago.

The New Jude Album and the Song "Beloved"

Right and so our listeners Will have even more of an idea of what you are doing before we get launched into your personal testimony. I'm gonna play a song from your new CD on Jude and this is this and this is the song beloved.

And I hope that you all are blessed by this. And then when we return we'll hear about the personal salvation Testimony of Cody Curtis, but first here is the song beloved by Salos.

Be loved. I have so much to say So much that I want to write to you. Won't you give me some time. And I will send Raging before praise God. And now we are back with Cody Curtis.

The composer and leader of Salas that group that you just heard performing that song beloved from their new CD Jude and Now Cody. As I said earlier, I would love for you to give a summary of your salvation testimony something about your religious upbringing if any and what kind of Providential circumstances our sovereign Lord raised up in your life that he used to draw you to himself and to save you.

Salvation Testimony and Early Christian Influences

Yeah, so I was born and raised in Memphis, Tennessee my parents they took my brother and I through church when we were younger and so I was exposed to the Christian teaching from a young age and Didn't really understand much of it when I was younger and didn't really have much fruit.

I was always a pretty good kid to I obeyed the rules and didn't get into a whole lot of trouble. But it really wasn't until High school that the Lord saved me. I went to all guy in private school when I'd grown up going to the public school my whole life.

And so that was a bit of a shock and if the Lord surrounded me with a group of guys who were believers and they they met every Thursday night at this hot wings place in Memphis called mr. P's and they would just gather for fellowship eat wings and they talk about you know Christian themes the gospel and any kind of questions they had.

Struggles of that sort and so I started going to that. I think it was my freshman year and Really just for to hang out with some good guys and but through that I started to learn more about the gospel in a deeper way other than just the basics of Christianity that I you know that I knew from Sunday school and things like that.

So it was Primarily through those those conversations that we had that I came to faith other circumstances, too. I was attending Delphi Baptist Church at the time in Memphis and was exposed to some preaching there.

But really I got involved in the Methodist Church in high school. It's where a lot of those guys I was referring to he went to church Christ United Methodist Church in Memphis and I began serving As one of the piano players in the ministry their involvement through a lot of guys who invested in me.

Was growing in my faith. Learning more about what it means to be a Christian so it's helping out with youth group stuff Sunday morning playing piano and. So that was a very formative time in my life. And I came to faith probably about a junior in high school is I think that when the Lord converted me throughout high school.

Got to college. I went to college at Union University of Jackson City where I work and my freshman year. Here I grew tremendously. And I think that really awakened in me a fresh understanding of the gospel a deeper understanding the gospel of my sin and how great a God we have in saving us to listen to lots and lots of his sermons and We're soaking up all of that now also preacher.

I was listening to a lot when I was younger was Tom Nelson in Bible Church he expository preacher and he he really taught me at an early age how to read the Bible how to think about it and The really Paul Washer Tom Nelson were people that had a big influence in my my the early years of my faith.

And grew a lot at Union Christians University lots of great chapel speakers had a wonderful network of friends community here a great church. But we're still involved with pleasant plains Baptist Church.

Also was a member of Cornerstone Community Church here in Jackson and so being trying to involve myself in the local church definitely rooted me more in my faith and Yeah, and since then I got married in 2009 my wonderful wife Melody and that's when we spent three years in Greensboro, North Carolina, and That's when we also met the Vander workers started solos.

I went through a year pastoral training and Able to serve as an elder for a brief time before we moved back to To Jackson, Tennessee where we've been we've been here since 2012 and still involved in that local church.

Pleasant Plains Baptist Church Working in residence life ministry for the past seven years. Just investing in students life that was discipling them and now moving to a faculty position and music composition at Union.

Reformed Theology, Paul Washer, and the Importance of Expository Preaching

Well, I am personally looking forward to hearing again Paul Washer preach at two conferences that will be taking place before you know it. You'll be hearing more detail about these conferences later on in the program.

But he will be preaching God willing at the foundation's conference in New York City December 19th and 20th. And I am really looking forward to that and also at the g3 conference in Atlanta, Georgia January 16th through the 18th.

At the latter conference I will be Manning and iron sharpens iron radio exhibitors booth, so I am really excited about that as well. I'm assuming that the preaching and teaching of Paul Washer was used by God to lead you into an acceptance of Sovereign grace theology the doctrines of as they have been nicknamed reform theology Calvinism etc.

That wasn't the first time I I was exposed to that and in high school That rest of it all of that stuff and still in the college and Paul Washer certainly helped shape my understanding of it, but I think the first time I really Began wrestling with it was through Tom Nelson's online.

By the way, I have to I have to just interrupt you a little bit brother that for some reason. Sometimes you get really muffled again with your voice. I'm sorry. Great. Well, I'm gonna give our email address.

For anybody listening who wants to join us on the air with a question of your own. Our email address is Chris Arnzen at gmail .com ch r is a r n z e n at gmail .com and as always, please give us your first name at least.

Your city and state of residence and your country of residence if you live outside the USA. Please only remain anonymous if your question involves a personal and private matter. Well, let's Now find out a little bit more about your musical background.

Discovering Music and Developing as a Composer

How did you first discover? That you had a gift for music. What what like drew you into a desire to learn Music and how and into even composing music and so on. Tell us more about the the roots of that.

It was sort of accidental. Growing up my brother and I and my sister as well. We always did sports and we're not very much of musical family and I think it was around age 14 is the first time I got into music.

I was really into baseball and soccer later on and then I had a back injury a freshman year of high school and it prevented me really from pursuing soccer the degree that I wanted to and I Having the downtime there.

I started to explore other hobbies and I remember my dad I'd always saved money as a kid. That's just my natural bent and he said why don't you go buy yourself a keyboard or something like that? And I thought okay do that because I think he knew I was interested in music.

But I had zero skills zero known talents and it couldn't really sing or carry a tune. But I went to Best Buy and I bought a little keyboard probably $60 it didn't even have all 88 keys on there but I'm picking wings out of it and it was one of those keyboards that have like a built-in song bank and Song that you can learn and there's a screen on the front that would walk you through how to play you know, if you're at least by Beethoven or a rudimentary version of it and I would just Kind of go through all those songs and listen to them and learn my first song.

My first song ever I ever taught myself was let it be by the Beatles and it gives in the song bank and so I would I would really would go chord by chord on that song note by note and I'd press play and then pause it and Then look at where the little screen was telling me to put this finger that finger.

And so I learned how to play parts of let it be by the Beatles that way and learn some other songs and then I Started to cover up this and tried to train myself to hear these chords Instead of seeing them on the screen.

And so I did that and started to develop my ear Was I knew the basics of music but not much didn't really take piano lessons. Until I got to college and so when I came to college in 2005 I decided to major in music and I actually had I didn't have much background in music or training at that point.

But Union has a great music program. And so I spent four years here learning more my craft learning music theory Yeah, learning how to play piano classical composers music history all those things that are very important for songwriters and composers and I think initially even when I got into music even on 14 or 15, I had this Desire to write my own music and it was you know None of it was any good, but it was just trying to take what I had been hearing and regurgitate it in a newer way so I did that wrote some songs and Loved it and had some friends who are also some songwriters and did a little bit of it and during college.

Nothing too serious and So that's that's kind of where my musical career started age 14 going on and then Studied at Union for four years I had a degree in music theory and literature piano being my main instrument and more about singing and Then after my wife and I got married in 2009.

That's when I graduated from the Union I moved to Greensboro, North Carolina and attended the University of North Carolina at Greensboro For my master's in music composition ended up living in Greensboro for three years.

And that was a great experience for me as well two more years of training in the Academy and being exposed to different types of music new ways of thinking about music and simultaneously being a part of Shepard's Fellowship in Greensboro where Sterling has pastored and Good time of life.

Like I said earlier. I got to spend some time pastoral training and so I was part of the rotation of Preaching for a season of life. And so once a month I'd get to preach through whatever book That the other elders were preaching through so I got hand-on experience of expository preaching.

And that was really good for me to to see the importance of it. Not just from the listener from the teaching point of view you learn a lot when you teach so we did that for a season of life while working at Chick-fil-a to pay the bills and And Yeah after that then that's when we we started solace as I said before in 2012 and it came about When Sterling he was preaching through the book of Romans.

He knew that I was a songwriter and he was getting close to the doxology at Romans 11 and and you know Talk to me today. You know, I think you can maybe write a song on the doxology of Romans 11. And I agreed to it his telling of the story that he gave me like a couple months notice I remember it being like a week.

He has a better memory than I do so we'll go with that he gave me a lot of time but I guess I just I put it off and I remember maybe like a couple days before writing this song called Oh the depth Based on the doxology of Romans 11.

I wasn't too thrilled about it, but Played it saying it Sunday morning. And of course everybody in your church is just a rule. They have to like whatever music you sing and so they were encouraging. They said they liked it.

I can't be that bad and so that's that was the first time I I had really written a piece of music that was directly tied to Scripture and that song was pretty close to verbatim setting of the doxology at the end of Romans 11 and so kind of pocketed that away as an idea and that was a fun experience and really during that time I every now and then would play around with the idea.

Well, what if I took and I ran the math and there's like 433 verses in Romans and that one song was like three verses and so I can't do that. This can be way too long of an album if you do it word for word.

And then I had the idea well, what if it was more of a paraphrase of it almost like if you think about how a preacher would approach a sermon series through the Book of Romans maybe map It out on 20 messages or so if you're you know, John Piper, I think did how many years of it?

Yeah, so I'm a more manageable Bite-sized way of explaining Scripture through music and so I casually started writing other songs from chapter one really just for fun and. So I had that idea going on in my head around that time.

That was 2011 and then so graduated from UNCG around that time moved back to Jackson in 2012 started my doctorates at the University of Memphis in 2013 or so 14 and 2003 a program so that was important for me just to keep learning my craft learning my skill to learn how to be a composer because what I want to bring to the table with my Contributions to Christian music is is an artistic background one that is trained in classical composition and understands 20 20th century music and what it means to be a 21st century composer and to do my best to convey and portray for people the beauty of Scripture in a musical language that is you know, that is influenced by and by my by my training and.

So that's that's kind of where I am. That's how I've been trained have been playing rock and roll. Since I was got into music until I have a strong background and and rock and roll music and I'm not At all opposed to popular music and things like that I'm all for incorporating those Stylistic ideas into our our church music if we're careful and wise about it.

But it's so my background really is coming from a self-taught background in rock and roll church music. Then having then having gone through Training of classical music and I think that's just created a unique voice in how I approach my songwriting.

Childhood Musical Memories and the Beatles in Worship

Well, I your your story reminded me of two childhood Experiences of my own. When I was a little kid my parents bought me a toy Keyboard nothing like the one that you mentioned even as primitive as the one that you mentioned may have been.

This was a toy. Actually, and I learned how to play the themes to two television shows that you probably know nothing about because you're too young. One was. One was f-troop and one was kung fu starring David Carradine.

And I could remember a playing the theme to f-troop at a local mall at a Organ and piano store and I actually had a crowd gathered around me while I was playing it. Some reason the owner of the store, even though I gathered a crowd there.

He unplugged the organ and chased me away for some reason. But another another thing that you reminded me of was believe it or not in the Catholic Church that I was raised in before my born-again experience.

And becoming a Reformed Baptist my while a Catholic young man in the late 1960s and early.

1970s.

They used to do what is called or was called folk masses and Believe it or not in the Catholic Church during a worship service. They played and sang. Let it be By the Beatles. Wow because of the line in those times of darkness mother Mary comes to me speaking words of wisdom.

But we're gonna go to it. I'm sorry. We're gonna say that's all it takes.

That's right.

First Break and Sponsor Readings

We're gonna go to our first break right now, but we're going to be led into the break. By a second song from the new Jude CD by Salos and this is Hidden Reefs. So I hope you enjoy it and I hope that you stay tuned and send in your questions.

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Questions About Jude and the Future of the Project

We are now back with our guest Cody Curtis. He is the composer and leader of Salos a musical group a Christian musical group and we are discussing the theme a call for worship consistent with God's Word rich and sound doctrine and Intelligible for the sake of education.

Our email address if you'd like to join us as Chris Arnson at gmail .com. Chris Arnson at gmail .com and we do have a first-time Questioner, her name is Clarice from Jamestown, North Carolina. Hello there Clarice.

I love the perfume you're wearing. I just had a silence of the lamb flashback. I'm sorry. But hello Clarice. It's great to have you join us today and she has actually Three questions. We normally don't take that many questions from a a listener, but we will we will indulge Clarice Cody she has three questions.

The first is why did you choose Jude for this latest project?

That's a good question. It took a lot of time to decide which book we wanted to do next. So after having done Romans and Hebrews both of those letters are so Hefty and weighty and full of astrology and about our salvation our soteriology.

For the third album, we wanted to do something that was For multiple reasons we wanted to do something different one. It's important that We wanted to teach our listeners that the other epistles are not the same as Romans and Hebrews and if you expect For example the same out of a letter like Jude or the same out of like even Ephesians Which is you know at one that people's more beloved album letters people start to draw comparisons between Between that and so my approach to setting these letters to music is to try to let each letter speak for itself and so we wanted to just to go ahead and contrast it and in an extreme way and Jude seemed like a Good way to do that.

Also musically it gave us some new opportunities to explore and that had more of a minimalistic chamber music approach for Jude and less.

Less.

Than what we did for Romans Hebrews like we didn't use any guitars at all on Jude and so Jude being different shorter neglected those are all things that appealed to us and It was also kind of fitting that we did Romans first, which is the very first epistle of the New Testament.

Especially of Paul's epistles and then Hebrews, which is the first of the Catholic epistles and then kind of just going to the very end. There's a little bit more to it than just that. But we wanted to do something really different.