July 16, 2019 Show with Cody Curtis on “A Call for Worship Consistent with God’s Word, Rich in Sound Doctrine, & Intelligible for the Sake of Edification”

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Wishing you all a happy Tuesday on the 16th day of July 2019 one

of the great blessings that I experienced recently on my way home from

Franklin, Tennessee.

Many of you know that I attended the Providence Theological Institute

a Bible conference in Franklin, Tennessee very recently.

That was hosted by Grace Church at Franklin this conference

was known as the John Bunyan conference and I was not only blessed at the

conference itself, but on the way home to Pennsylvania I stopped and spent two days

in Greensboro, North Carolina with new friends of mine Sterling and Brawny

Vanderwerker.

They own Royal Diadem Jewelers in Greensboro, North Carolina, and you'll soon

God willing be hearing their commercials for Royal Diadem Jewelers here on iron sharpens iron radio,

but while visiting Both Sterling and Brawny in their gorgeous home

there in Greensboro, North Carolina.

Brawny who is someone with not only personal music talent, but a great

interest in and passion for music.

She said to me you have got to meet and interview a friend of ours Cody Curtis.

He is a composer and the leader of a musical group called Salos.

And she began to play for me some of the music produced by Salos, and I immediately

said yeah.

Let's get Cody on my show and she put me on Skype and

Cody and I had our initial conversation and he Enthusiastically agreed to be on the

program and today is that day Cody Curtis is my guest for the very first time.

And today we are going to be speaking about a call for worship Consistent with God's Word

rich in sound doctrine and intelligible for the sake of Edification and it's my honor and privilege

to welcome you for the very first time ever to iron sharpens iron radio.

Cody Curtis.

Thanks for having me Chris.

Hey, the pleasure is all mine Cody and if you could Tell us a bit about

this musical group Salos that you are a part of that you.

Where you serve as a composer and you are the leader of this group tell us about this group and

After that, we'll have you give your personal Salvation testimony, which is a tradition here in iron sharpens iron

radio whenever we have first -time guests, but first, let's hear about Salos.

So our listeners Who are going to be hearing your testimony will have more of an

idea of who you are now.

Before we even hear more about the testimony of yours

group that my wife and I started in 2012 and we we created it with the mission to

Theologically rich and artistically excellent music that leads people to worship God and to

study his words.

That was we started it was just the two of us when we began and it has

grown since then To a lot more people involved, but we're both still involved more

behind the scenes me Primarily was just the writing and engineering and produce.

We just wanted to write music.

That was you know lyrics that are consistent with scripture origin theology poetic witty and

imaginative and Intelligible for the sake at

some musical goals of you know, when we're writing corporate worship.

We wanted to make sure it made of the

magic of adventurous artistic all these things and really we wanted to help

to a temporary Christian music in a positive way and so we began that

in 2012 With this album called slave songs.

It was one that we recorded in our apartment when we were living in Greensboro serving at a church with Ronnie and

Sterling Vanderwerker and Started off really small slave songs was this album.

Based on the biblical metaphor of spiritual slavery how we are born slaves to sin and how through Christ We

are ransomed from that slavery made to be slaves of God and so from there we have I

think we've done three major albums and we are Now taking

New Testament letters of the Bible and setting them to music not in a word -for -word manner, but more of

a poetic paraphrase a way of teaching the overarching story of each epistle and a way that is a

Believers can understand and those who've never even read these books of the Bible can come in contact with them for a first time.

And so trying to use music to teach scripture to glorify God.

And just to lead people in greater understanding of scripture.

And so we we've been doing that really since 2012 for now in partnership with Union University where I

I work I teach here at the music department at Union We

our goal is really to set off 21 New Testament epistles of music one day and we have three down.

We've done Romans Hebrews, and we just released Jude about a month ago.

Right and so our listeners Will have even more of an idea of what you are doing

before we get launched into your personal testimony.

I'm gonna play a song from your new CD on Jude and this

is this and this is the song beloved.

And I hope that you all are blessed by this.

And then when we return we'll hear about the personal salvation Testimony of Cody Curtis, but

first here is the song beloved by Salos.

Be loved.

I have so much to say So

much that I want to write to you.

Won't you

give me some time.

And I will send

Raging before

praise God.

And now we are back with Cody Curtis.

The composer and leader of Salas that group that you just heard performing that song beloved

from their new CD Jude and Now Cody.

As I said earlier, I would love for you to give a summary of your salvation testimony something

about your religious upbringing if any and what kind of

Providential circumstances our sovereign Lord raised up in your life that he used to draw you to

himself and to save you.

Yeah, so I was born and raised in Memphis, Tennessee my parents they took my brother and I through church when we

were younger and so I was exposed to the Christian teaching from a young age and

Didn't really understand much of it when I was younger and didn't really have much fruit.

I was always a pretty good kid to I obeyed the rules and didn't get into a whole lot of trouble.

But it really wasn't until High school that the Lord saved me.

I went to all guy in private school when I'd grown up going to the public school my whole life.

And so that was a bit of a shock and if the Lord surrounded me with a group of

guys who were believers and they they met every Thursday night

at this hot wings place in Memphis called mr. P's and they would just gather for

fellowship eat wings and they talk about you know Christian themes the gospel and any kind of

questions they had.

Struggles of that sort and so I started going to that.

I think it was my freshman year and Really just for to hang out with some good guys and

but through that I started to learn more about the gospel in a deeper way other than just the basics of

Christianity that I you know that I knew from Sunday school and things like that.

So it was Primarily through those those conversations that we had that I came

to faith other circumstances, too.

I was attending Delphi Baptist Church at the time in Memphis and was exposed to some

preaching there.

But really I got involved in the Methodist Church in high school.

It's where a lot of those guys I was referring to he went to church Christ United Methodist Church in

Memphis and I began serving As one of the piano players in the ministry

their involvement through a lot of guys who invested in me.

Was growing in my faith.

Learning more about what it means to be a Christian so it's helping out with youth group stuff Sunday morning playing piano and.

So that was a very formative time in my life.

And I came to faith probably about a junior in high school is I think that when the Lord converted me

throughout high school.

Got to college.

I went to college at Union University of Jackson City where I work and my

freshman year.

Here I grew tremendously.

And I think that

really awakened in me a fresh understanding of the gospel a deeper understanding the gospel of my sin and how

great a God we have in saving us to listen to lots and lots of his sermons and We're

soaking up all of that now also preacher.

I was listening to a lot when I was younger was Tom Nelson in Bible Church he expository

preacher and he he really taught me at an early age how to read the Bible

how to think about it and The really Paul Washer Tom Nelson were people that had a big influence in

my my the early years of my faith.

And grew a lot at Union Christians University lots of great chapel speakers

had a wonderful network of friends community here a great church.

But we're still involved with pleasant plains Baptist Church.

Also was a member of Cornerstone Community Church here in Jackson and so being trying to involve myself in the local church

definitely rooted me more in my faith and Yeah, and since then I

got married in 2009 my wonderful wife Melody and that's when we spent three years in Greensboro,

North Carolina, and That's when we also met the Vander workers started solos.

I went through a year pastoral training and Able to serve as an elder for a brief time before we moved

back to To Jackson, Tennessee where we've been we've been here since 2012 and still involved

in that local church.

Pleasant Plains Baptist Church Working in residence life ministry for the past seven years.

Just investing in students life that was discipling them and now moving to a faculty

position and music composition at Union.

Well, I am personally looking forward to hearing again Paul Washer preach at

two conferences that will be taking place before you know it.

You'll be hearing more detail about these conferences later on in the program.

But he will be preaching God willing at the foundation's conference in New York City December

19th and 20th.

And I am really looking forward to that and also at the g3 conference in Atlanta, Georgia

January 16th through the 18th.

At the latter conference I will be Manning and iron sharpens iron radio exhibitors booth, so

I am really excited about that as well.

I'm assuming that the preaching and teaching of Paul Washer was used by God to lead you into

an acceptance of Sovereign grace theology the doctrines of as they have been

nicknamed reform theology Calvinism etc.

That wasn't the first time I I was exposed to that and in high school That rest of it all of that

stuff and still in the college and Paul Washer certainly helped shape my understanding of it, but I think the

first time I really Began wrestling with it was through Tom Nelson's online.

By the way, I have to I have to just interrupt you a little bit brother that for some reason.

Sometimes you get really muffled again with your voice.

I'm sorry.

Great.

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Well, let's Now find out a little bit more about your musical background.

How did you first discover?

That you had a gift for music.

What what like drew you into a desire to learn Music and how

and into even composing music and so on.

Tell us more about the the roots of that.

It was sort of accidental.

Growing up my brother and I and my sister as well.

We always did sports and we're not very much of musical family and

I think it was around age 14 is the first time I got into music.

I was really into baseball and soccer later on and then I had a back injury

a freshman year of high school and it prevented me really from pursuing soccer the degree

that I wanted to and I Having the downtime there.

I started to explore other hobbies and I remember my dad I'd always saved money as a kid.

That's just my natural bent and he said why don't you go buy yourself a keyboard or something like that?

And I thought okay do that because I think he knew I was interested in music.

But I had zero skills zero known talents and it couldn't really sing or carry a tune.

But I went to Best Buy and I bought a little keyboard probably $60 it didn't even have all 88 keys

on there but I'm picking

wings out of it and it was one of those keyboards that have like a built -in song bank and

Song that you can learn and there's a screen on the front that would walk you through how to play you know, if you're at least by

Beethoven or a rudimentary version of it and I would just Kind of go

through all those songs and listen to them and learn my first song.

My first song ever I ever taught myself was let it be by the Beatles and it gives in the song bank and so

I would I would really would go chord by chord on that song note by

note and I'd press play and then pause it and Then look at where the little screen was telling me to put this finger that finger.

And so I learned how to play parts of let it be by the Beatles that way and learn some other songs and then I

Started to cover up this and tried to train myself to hear these chords

Instead of seeing them on the screen.

And so I did that and started to develop my ear Was I knew the basics of

music but not much didn't really take piano lessons.

Until I got to college and so when I came to college in 2005 I decided to major in music

and I actually had I didn't have much background in music or training at that point.

But Union has a great music program.

And so I spent four years here learning more my craft learning music theory

Yeah, learning how to play piano classical composers music history all those things that are very important for songwriters and composers and

I think initially even when I got into music even on 14 or 15, I had this Desire

to write my own music and it was you know None of it was any good, but it was just trying to take

what I had been hearing and regurgitate it in a newer way so I did that wrote some songs

and Loved it and had some friends who are also some songwriters and did a little bit of it and during

college.

Nothing too serious and So that's that's kind of where my musical career started age 14

going on and then Studied at Union for four years I had a degree in music theory and

literature piano being my main instrument and more about singing and Then after

my wife and I got married in 2009.

That's when I graduated from the Union I moved to Greensboro, North Carolina and attended the University of North

Carolina at Greensboro For my master's in music composition

ended up living in Greensboro for three years.

And that was a great experience for me as well two more years of training in the

Academy and being exposed to different types of music new ways of thinking about music and

simultaneously being a part of Shepard's Fellowship in Greensboro where Sterling has pastored and

Good time of life.

Like I said earlier.

I got to spend some time pastoral training and so I was part of the rotation of Preaching

for a season of life.

And so once a month I'd get to preach through whatever book That the other elders were preaching through

so I got hand -on experience of expository preaching.

And that was really good for me to to see the importance of it.

Not just from the listener from the teaching point of view you learn a lot when you teach so we did that for

a season of life while working at Chick -fil -a to pay the bills and And Yeah after that then that's when

we we started solace as I said before in 2012 and it came about

When Sterling he was preaching through the book of Romans.

He knew that I was a songwriter and he was getting close to the doxology at Romans 11

and and you know Talk to me today.

You know, I think you can maybe write a song on the doxology of Romans 11.

And I agreed to it his telling of the story that he gave me like a couple months notice I remember it being like a week.

He has a better memory than I do so we'll go with that he gave me a lot of time but I guess I just I put it off and

I remember maybe like a couple days before writing this song called Oh the depth Based on the doxology

of Romans 11.

I wasn't too thrilled about it, but Played it saying it Sunday morning.

And of course everybody in your church is just a rule.

They have to like whatever music you sing and so they were encouraging.

They said they liked it.

I can't be that bad and so that's that was the first time I I had really written

a piece of music that was directly tied to Scripture and that song was pretty

close to verbatim setting of the doxology at the end of Romans 11 and so kind of pocketed that

away as an idea and that was a fun experience and really during that time I

every now and then would play around with the idea.

Well, what if I took and I ran the

math and there's like 433 verses in Romans and that one song was like three verses and so I

can't do that.

This can be way too long of an album if you do it word for word.

And then I had the idea well, what if it was more of a paraphrase of it almost like if you

think about how a preacher would approach a sermon series through the Book of Romans maybe map It out on 20

messages or so if you're you know, John Piper, I think did how many years of it?

Yeah, so I'm a more manageable Bite -sized way of explaining Scripture through music and so I

casually started writing other songs from chapter one really just for fun and.

So I had that idea going on in my head around that time.

That was 2011 and then so graduated from

UNCG around that time moved back to Jackson in 2012 started my

doctorates at the University of Memphis in 2013 or so 14 and

2003 a program so that was important for me just to keep learning my craft learning my skill to learn how to be a

composer because what I want to bring to the table with my Contributions to

Christian music is is an artistic background one that is trained in classical

composition and understands 20 20th century music and what it means to be a 21st century composer

and to do my best to convey and portray for people the beauty of Scripture in a musical language that is you

know, that is influenced by and by my by my training and.

So that's that's kind of where I am.

That's how I've been trained have been playing rock and roll.

Since I was got into music until I have a strong background and and rock and roll music and I'm not At

all opposed to popular music and things like that I'm all for incorporating those

Stylistic ideas into our our church music if we're careful and wise about it.

But it's so my background really is coming from a self -taught background in rock and roll church music.

Then having then having gone through Training of classical music and I think that's just created a

unique voice in how I approach my songwriting.

Well, I your your story reminded me of two childhood Experiences of

my own.

When I was a little kid my parents bought me a toy Keyboard

nothing like the one that you mentioned even as primitive as the one that you mentioned may have been.

This was a toy.

Actually, and I learned how to play the themes to two television shows that you probably know nothing

about because you're too young.

One was.

One was f -troop and one was kung fu starring David Carradine.

And I could remember a playing the theme to f -troop at a local mall at a Organ and piano

store and I actually had a crowd gathered around me while I was playing it.

Some reason the owner of the store, even though I gathered a crowd there.

He unplugged the organ and chased me away for some reason.

But another another thing that you reminded me of was believe it or not in the Catholic Church that I was

raised in before my born -again experience.

And becoming a Reformed Baptist my while a Catholic young man in the

late 1960s and early.

1970s.

They used to do what is called or was called folk masses and Believe it or not

in the Catholic Church during a worship service.

They played and sang.

Let it be By the Beatles.

Wow because of the line in those times of darkness mother Mary comes to me

speaking words of wisdom.

But we're gonna go to it.

I'm sorry.

We're gonna say that's all it takes.

That's right.

We're gonna go to our first break right now, but we're going to be led into the break.

By a second song from the new Jude CD by Salos and this is

Hidden Reefs.

So I hope you enjoy it and I hope that you stay tuned and send in your questions.

For when we return from the station break the Chris Ornson at gmail .com chrisarnz

and gmail .com for Cody Curtis on a call for worship consistent with God's Word rich and sound doctrine

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These are hidden reefs creeping beneath the peaceful seas far below us

far below us.

These are sleeping thieves waiting to crush and crash and seize far below us

far below us.

These are wicked fiends greedily in the corporate face not far below us.

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We are now back with our guest Cody Curtis.

He is the composer and leader of Salos a musical group a Christian musical group and we

are discussing the theme a call for worship consistent with God's Word rich and sound doctrine and

Intelligible for the sake of education.

Our email address if you'd like to join us as Chris Arnson at gmail .com.

Chris Arnson at gmail .com and we do have a first -time Questioner,

her name is Clarice from Jamestown, North Carolina.

Hello there Clarice.

I love the perfume you're wearing.

I just had a silence of the lamb flashback.

I'm sorry.

But hello Clarice.

It's great to have you join us today and she has actually Three questions.

We normally don't take that many questions from a a listener, but we will we will

indulge Clarice Cody she has three questions.

The first is why did you choose Jude for this latest project?

That's a good question.

It took a lot of time to decide which book we wanted to do next.

So after having done Romans and Hebrews both of those letters are so Hefty and weighty

and full of astrology and about our salvation our soteriology.

For the third album, we wanted to do something that was For multiple reasons we

wanted to do something different one.

It's important that We wanted to teach our listeners that the other epistles

are not the same as Romans and Hebrews and if you expect For example

the same out of a letter like Jude or the same out of like even Ephesians Which is you know at one that people's

more beloved album letters people start to draw comparisons between Between that and

so my approach to setting these letters to music is to try to let each letter speak for itself and so

we wanted to just to go ahead and contrast it and in an extreme way and Jude seemed like a Good way to do

that.

Also musically it gave us some new opportunities to explore and that had more of a

minimalistic chamber music approach for Jude and less.

Less.

Than what we did for Romans Hebrews like we didn't use any guitars at all on Jude and so Jude

being different shorter neglected those are all things that appealed to us and

It was also kind of fitting that we did Romans first, which is the very first epistle of the New Testament.

Especially of Paul's epistles and then Hebrews, which is the first of the Catholic epistles and then kind of just going to the very end.

There's a little bit more to it than just that.

But we wanted to do something really different.

Okay, your second question is What was the most challenging aspect of composing it?

Of composing Jude.

Jude was Looking back.

It was probably for Hebrews and that doesn't make

sense to even me because Hebrews is about an hour and a half's worth of music and Jude's only 30 minutes

worth.

Jude was tricky because I didn't want to.

Again, like I said, I wanted the letter to speak for itself and trying to think of a way to clearly communicate the

narrative of Jude.

In a way that that made sense that was compelling musically.

It just it just took some time Figuring out my pacing.

It's only 25 verses and I knew I wanted it to be, you know longer than just two songs.

So figuring out how I wanted to map that out and so I ultimately mapped it out over 17

tracks using a chiastic form.

That seemed to be church the letter and gave me some Artistic liberty to to

do some neat things musically so it just it just took time a lot of time of Brainstorming

it in my mind before I even started writing the exact song and.

Finally Clarice asks.

Romans Hebrews and Jude are wonder are a wonderful blessing.

Cody.

What's your timeline for completing the remaining 63 books?

I guess we're gonna have Cody back when he's a hundred and twelve years old for the Final recording.

Who knows what who knows what format that will be in the future.

CD CDs will obviously be totally extinct.

And and of course, I'll be long dead and there'll be another host of iron sharpens.

I'm radio if it exists, but anyway.

Well, what do you actually?

Envision as.

The remaining books of the Bible.

What is your next plan in other words?

As far as the the other.

Parts of the Canon that you have not yet put the music as of now, I've

talked to just the New Testament epistles and.

Even that is it's about a year and a half

get a new album out all of that.

It takes about a year and a half or up to two years.

Between albums mapped all that out and I think.

Even if I just restrict myself to that Lord willing.

Oh, you know, I'll probably be my 60s by the time I finish finish that.

But I'm not opposed to doing other books of the Bible a lot of the Old

Testament books that when you're dealing with narrative

It's hard to deal with narrative in a

reasonable contained.

That's where a lot of the the one

we'll see if I do anything Old Testament later on I I'm not opposed also to doing revelation

the obvious reasons

little be just yet.

We're we're letting our

fans vote.

That's cool.

Well, thank you so much Clarice for being our first time for being a first -time questioner.

Today all's I know is that for dinner?

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Now I have a first -time listener with a question who although she is a

first -time listener.

She's now she's no stranger to me now.

Her name is Brandi brawny Vandewerker and of course, I just mentioned her earlier.

In the program she and her husband Sterling are the ones that introduced me to

Our group today solos and our guest today who

is Cody Curtis and Brawny has a question.

And in fact, I had it in front of me and I accidentally Deleted it.

So I'm gonna have to look up brawny's question.

Sorry about that brawny.

I will ask it when we return from the break.

And I assure you I will find it before we return.

But what I'm gonna do now since we're going to our midway break I am going to play another song from

solos.

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And now here's that song I promised from the new Jude CD.

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We have some events coming up that I hope you attend.

My very dear friend, dr Tony Costa professor of apologetics and Islam at Toronto Baptist

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And if you want more details on this conference go to church at Friendship

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you tell them that you heard about them from Chris Arnzen on iron sharpens iron radio.

The next event that I hope that you attend is one that I am personally attending.

This is an event I mentioned at the earlier part of the program where Paul Washer is on the lineup.

That is the foundation's conference in New York City Thursday and Friday December 19th and 20th.

What better time of year to go to New York City than the Christmas season?

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Armand Tomassian who is a young man a young pastor, but he has Abilities and gifts

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He is one of the most powerful preachers I've ever heard and that's not an exaggeration.

I truly believe he's going to be a household name amongst Reformed Christians over the next decade.

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I am going to be packing up my bags once again and heading down south to Atlanta.

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This is going to be Thursday January 16th through Saturday January 18th at the Georgia

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expecting as they always do over 5 ,000 people this January.

I have a feeling they're gonna have over 6 ,000 people maybe even more because John MacArthur as you

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speakers and He alone would be worth Making the effort

to get to Atlanta to go to this conference.

But there are many other people on the roster.

The theme by the way is worship matters.

The speakers include my friend Kosti Hinn and that name if it sounds familiar, it's probably for a

very horrible reason.

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heretic Benny Hinn and Kosti would not be at all upset by hearing me describe his uncle that way because a

major part of Kosti's missionary I'm sorry.

His major part of his mission I should say is to expose his uncle and the word -of -faith heretics for the

dangerous deadly and damning deceivers that they are.

He is on the roster.

And by the way, Kosti is a reformed Baptist pastor and a cessationist in California.

Darrell Bernard Harrison is also on the roster a Phenomenal writer and this

brother is also a newly added Team member to John MacArthur's grace to you ministry.

David Miller is a phenomenal preacher an old -school fire and brimstone preacher that I just love hearing

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Derek Thomas a name that is certainly recognizable to the vast majority of reformed Christians.

Author for banner of truth and a world -renowned speaker my dear friend.

Dr. James R. White of Alpha Omega Ministries since 1995.

I've known James and have conducted many debates and speaking engagements for him.

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Joel Beeky another friend of mine going back to the 1990s president of Puritan Reformed Theological Seminary in

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Paul Washer is also on the roster at this conference along with dr. Steven J. Lawson.

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My friend Phil Johnson the executive director of grace to you ministries.

Steven J Nichols who is the president of?

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Todd Freel.

His voice you keep hearing promoted this prototyping this conference along with Phil Johnson.

Dr. Tom Askew the president or should I say the executive director of founders ministries the Calvinistic ministry

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God willing but Ronnie has her questions for Cody Curtis of Salos and

they are as follows.

What is the primary goal of Salos and

very much a brawny question?

Our primary goal is I mean if we want to glorify God with our music we want to lead people to a deeper understanding

of scripture.

We want them to worship God through listening to our music and it's important that we we're not

just trying to create this emotional experience where you know in a very personal sense you

feel Close to God, but we're trying to tie that into a theological truth with words from

scripture that you can worship God in spirit and in truth your heart and your head and.

So we we aim that all the music that I write it does that even if it's

Imaginative and seems adventurous and we are paraphrasing scripture it's all it's all going to that

and also as I said before we contemporary Christian music and to enrich it

with our own sound and try to add to What's already being being out there just to be an additional

voice and what it means to be a Christian artist.

So That's probably how I'd summarize it.

And her second question is how did you find members who were all on the same page?

Doctrinally and theologically.

And perhaps you could.

I'll add my own Part of that question.

Tell us some.

Tell us something about the other members of solace.

So whenever we moved back to Jackson, Tennessee in 2012 We didn't know what

solace was gonna it's gonna be like it was just my wife and I at that point and we did some Concerts we did a

little mini tour and we enjoyed it.

But I think it is it exhausted us.

We realized we didn't like being too much in the forefront.

So we knew moving on that we would need other people to help us help us out

because at that point 2013 I had decided that I wanted to do

Romans as our next project which was an ambitious album.

And just writing it was ambitious recording.

It was ambitious we had zero money really for that project and So we knew we needed to link

arms with other people and the hard part was finding

vocalists who we thought could pull off such a big task and Through the Lord's Providence.

We we met Thomas Griffith and Kelsey Leaf now Kelsey Edgren and

they were freshmen at Union whenever I was started my first year there in residence life.

And so I got to meet Thomas.

I was helping out with men's choir.

He was one of the singers there just immediately knew he had a wonderful voice and Kelsey I

heard singing on some open mic night at Union and was just blown away instantly by

her Angelic voice sweet voice that she has.

And so there were the first one and taking the lead vocal

roles and thankfully they both agreed to it.

Which is amazing because they didn't I mean they had to trust me a lot that I know that I was able to

pull off What I had planned.

And yeah they're both both believers and on the same page of what we want to do teaching scripture to people through music and

Then for the instrumentalists, it really was just trying to find anybody we could to help

to record these albums and to perform with us and so for all of our albums

truthfully Everybody is either a Union student a student of Union University or an alumni of Union University

or closely associated with it.

And so just out of that wonderful community at Union a lot of faithful believers who are

I think recognize the ministry that we're trying to accomplish they agreed to be a part of it and

thankful the Lord has always provided the instrumentalist that we we've needed and Moving forward that's always something

we're always looking for different musicians.

You not only have the ability to pull off the music that I write

the understand the desire of what we want to do.

And let's see.

It's Brawny also asks.

So many other groups who start out in Christian music seem to veer to the secular side

or get a bit off track.

What do you do to keep your group and music focused centrally on Christ and him crucified?

Heather our music so closely the scripture with these musical adaptations of the New Testament letters I mean that keeps us on

course if we want to you know if we're going to stick to this goal of doing all the 21 New

Testament letters, and we're dealing with scripture as as it is and so that

definitely helps keep us on track and That keeps me from just writing what

you know is kind of on my heart or my own personal Experiences and some of that is going to overflow

into my writing, but if you're a preacher at a church He's

preaching scripture, and he's and he's doing that faithfully, and he's less likely to veer off into his

own home soapbox topics and things like that and also being a part of the local church is

important for us and that's being committed to that and committed to growing and we're not in this

for fame or Anything like that and we hope that we never never really get famous.

We want our music to be out there of course to have a wide -width initiative.

But we're not.

We're not trying to get on Christian radio stations or win awards or anything.

We just want to be faithful to the Lord and Hope that they'll use our music well, so if our

ambitions stay where they are then I think we'll be in a safe place.

Well, I think Bronnie wants my job because she's been asking some very good questions.

She asks how do you juggle family and the demands of writing and singing?

That's just these projects that do

and I because I have a full -time job as well.

This is sort of just a hobby that I do.

And so I write always in the background of the mind.

If they're just trying to set aside family time is important and just structured writing

time when I can or it's being structured it's using a calendar carefully and.

And Yeah, I'm not letting not letting solace encompass my life.

It's easy for people like me to get sucked into their ministry.

Just recognizing.

It's just a part of who we are.

Not in a sense to the Lord doesn't need all those.

The Lord doesn't need any of our ministry and we'd be humble about that and Praying for time to write and

praying for inspiration so that the time that I do invest into it Is.

I'm sorry brother getting a little bit muffled again for some reason.

Yeah.

Well some days.

I'll just walk around try to try to write a lot and won't really have much to show for it.

So it's just praying that God will give me fruitfulness in writing and left the time that I invest in it.

Okay.

Now she asks her final question and she says now what this question you could tell.

It's from the Vander workers.

When will you be coming back to Greensboro to live and work in a church where we can serve together again?

Yeah.

That would be wonderful.

We have no plans as of now to do that.

We're putting more roots down in Jackson, Tennessee, but we do plan on visiting soon.

We would love everybody in Greensboro.

Yeah, that was a sweet season of life where we got to do church together to do life together and.

Well, I want to thank Bronnie for making my life a lot easier with these excellent questions.

And she says thanks for doing this Chris.

I pray the Lord will use it to bless others and bless their ministry.

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I want to ask a couple of questions of my own.

People who listen to this program Frequently will know that I have some

pet peeves about worship.

And I hope that I don't step on any of your toes, but I know that the body of Christ.

We do have differences of opinion and convictions on things but one of the things that concerns me

about modern worship is that there seems to be much more of a

Interest a much more of a concern or even a strategy to

entertain people in the congregation.

Whether they be saved or lost rather than incorporate the

congregation in Joint worship and corporate worship where people are not just

spectators enjoying music.

But they are actually fully involved in their participation in worshiping God and song

and The other side of that is that there are many churches today that use music as

a lure to draw lost people into their congregations because they're trying to appeal

to the earthly appetites of the lost and Sometimes even if they would never say this

admit this or even be conscience of it Conscious of it.

They sometimes are it's a trick.

You know, you you're hearing the gospel admit amid a Spectacular performance or show that's

being put on now.

I want you as somebody who's a gifted artist obviously.

Who can create extraordinary music?

How do you respond to what I just said?

Amen well, we have to go to our final break right now.

It's gonna be much shorter than the last one and when we go to this break I'm going to also play a

song to lead us into that break.

The next song on our list is the body of Moses.

So I hope you enjoyed this song and please if you have questions of your own that you want to ask Cody Curtis

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Welcome back and this is the final segment of today's interview with cody curtis composer and leader

of the musical group salos.

Our email address if you have a question is chrisarnson at gmail .com chrisarnson at gmail .com and send in your question

immediately.

Because we're rapidly running out of time.

We have another first time questioner from Jacksonville, florida.

Noah.

And noah says or asks who are some of your favorite christian artists and

bands?

Brother, you're muffled again.

I'm, sorry, but can you move your mouth somewhere?

Yeah, yeah, all right.

Um, let's see.

I listen to josh gill.

You listen to who.

I didn't understand what you said.

Josh gill, okay, and uh.

The

silent

is one and

i'm

not sure what has changed but your voice is very muffled.

So if whatever you could do to try to correct that while we are only have a few minutes left, that'd be great.

Uh, noah, thank you so much.

You're a first time questioner.

So you have also won a free new american standard bible.

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Uh, here is somebody who is not a first time Questioner.

In fact, he's a long -time listener and frequent questioner and that's the husband of the woman we

heard from before uh, this is sterling vanderwerker, uh, and sterling

asks.

Artists are naturally critical of their own work.

So what cody said is right.

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But do you have any you have any comment on the part uh about artists Uh being

naturally the your worst critic.

I think that's yeah

growing as a composer and.

Yeah, well, thank you

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And no bible for you since you've probably sent in about a thousand questions to this program.

Uh.

We have let's see we have uh, susan margaret in dauphin

county, pennsylvania.

Who says that earlier you mentioned that you include rock music in some of your

christian music?

I don't necessarily have an objection to that.

But obviously there are lots of different kinds of rock music and some of those

melodies under that umbrella I would be strongly objecting to because of the fact.

That I am certain That it is absolutely a fact that melodies

and rhythms produce Moods and not all moods are appropriate for worship.

I was wondering what your guest has to say to that.

I've actually said that identical thing on this program before I do believe That there

are melodies and rhythms that are not uh conducive to worship.

And and someone who uh, I have interviewed in the past.

Uh who wrote the book?

Uh, why johnny can't sing hymns?

Uh, dr. T david gordon.

He when somebody asked a very similar question years ago on my old show broadcasting out of new york.

He said can you.

And i'm paraphrasing because I don't remember exactly what he said, but can you imagine he said Uh at the funeral of a

precious loved one of yours without your permission, uh.

A.

A trio of kazoo players get up and start playing the kazoo during this very

solemn time of Tribute and memorial to your loved one and I think he made a very good point about

that that there are certain rhythms even uh music that is.

Very.

Quickly connected to sensuality.

There's a reason that they they play.

Uh.

There's a reason they play central music in in certain Places like nightclubs.

There's a reason that they play militaristic music in the the armed

forces because it instills.

A.

Preparedness for battle and those kinds of things.

So I think that that the listener has a.

A good point, you know, what is your response to that?

Yeah, and that's that's a big topic I don't think I have time to fully respond to you.

But if you think about what rock and roll is it's a synonym for american popular music in that

sense and if you go deeper and analyze the theory of rock and roll music, it's largely based on

blues music and so.

Harmonically, you're borrowing from the 12 12 bar blues.

Um heavy emphasis on you know, the one uh, sorry beats two and four in rock music.

And so it's it's taking elements from that um that those elements in and of themselves are certainly not.

We use those.

And just historically we've seen rock and roll artists use those in such a way to

like you like so those

things in and of themselves Aren't bad.

It's just things

knowing that they could reference in the listener's mind something else and that's maybe inevitable but

handling them carefully and um, I mean Think about using the use of the guitar or

electric guitar things like that from rock and roll music or chord progressions and

Certain rhythms.

Yeah, not all not all of it under that umbrella

that the listener might be thinking.

And so it's it's picking through it's being careful.

It's Digging deeper into what the music is and finding out what can we use from that?

It's all god's music.

What can we use from that to cultivate?

Uh christian worship and not you know immorality right.

And I think that there is also a big difference between christian recording

artists who have a wider field and spectrum and liberty

of musical styles when they are performing in a concert rather than

uh seeking to be an aid to worship because You could have instruments that totally smother

the sound of the congregational singing.

Uh, or even even if you were to have.

Uh.

A duet or a trio.

Uh up there singing the music can overpower that.

Uh, I mean i've even heard classical music Uh at reformed

churches being played so loudly as far as a brass Ensemble i've

heard them play so loudly that I can't even hear my own voice Coming out of my mouth.

So that's not even rock and roll.

That's just a traditional classical approach to music and and uh, but anyway.

Um, well, thank you.

Uh, susan margaret keep listening to iron triple design radio.

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I know that for instance solos uh that uh.

That website is solos .com.

P s a l l o s .com.

Do you have any other contact information?

Uh, yeah.

Email they can always email us at solos music at gmail .com.

I would also point them to our patreon page if they do want to support our ministry.

It's it's we.

We kind of sustain ourselves.

And so we're dependent upon Support as well.

We have a patreon page.

I think it's patreon .com Solos, but if you visit our website solos .com You'll

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