Are Women As Courageous As Men?

Courage as a Masculine Virtue and Why the Question Offends

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Opening the Question on Women and Courage

Welcome to Bible bash where we aim to equip the saints for the works of ministry by answering the questions you're not allowed to ask. We're your host Harrison Kerrigan, pastor Tim Mullett. And today we'll answer the age old question.

Are women as courageous as men? And, uh, you know, this is one of those questions, Tim, that for whatever reason, you know, I guess we just have a knack for doing this, but it feels like a very offensive question to ask.

Like if I were, if I were to just go out on the street, you know, and ask random, you know, random men and random women,. Hey, are women just as courageous as men? I, I would probably, you know, brace myself for dirty looks and, you know, sarcastic remarks that are, that essentially boil down to, well, obviously, you know, like, why are you even asking that question?

That's as, that's as obvious as, you know, two plus two equals four, which is, I guess, apparently that's a racist thing to mention now, but we won't get into all that, but it does feel like a, uh, it does feel like a very offensive question to even ask.

And, and, you know, you're, you're going to get a lot of pushback that essentially boils down to, obviously they're just as courageous as men. Honestly, they're probably more courageous than men in a lot of ways.

And, and, and that seems to be sort of the, you know, a lot of, a lot of people that we've asked this question to, they, they had that kind of response, um, that was, there was like a, well, they're actually, they're more courageous than men actually, you know, so, so, uh, what's the deal with that, Tim?

Why, why is this such a, uh, why is this such an offensive, you know, an offensive question to even Because I'm laughing at it. That means that, that's why. You're laughing because you're laughing.

That's why it's offensive. And, you know, it's, it's funny too, cause it's like, well, it's just a question. You can just, you can just say, yes, they are. It's correct. You can just say yes, you know, so it's like even, even merely challenging the idea is offensive.

So why, why is that?

Men, Women, and the Meaning of Courage

Uh, well, so yeah, there's a lot of things going on here. I mean, I mean, one of the things that's going on is it's like the most obvious reality in all the universe, like you can empirically verify this reality.

I guess one of the easiest, uh, most empirically verified viable realities to actually prove that exist, that men are like way more courageous than women. I mean, like, and it's not even close. I mean, it's like four or five, maybe 10 times as courageous as women.

It's like, it's like so imbalanced in terms of this is the strength of men. So like reality would like a test to this in a variety of ways. You can just, like, there's any number of objective scientific tests or experiments you could do to prove this very point, the same way that like, um, with strength, like physical strength, like the fact that men in general are stronger than women is one of the most easily verifiable like propositions that you can possibly imagine.

But then what's happening is like, as I've tried to point this out, um, typically the way I pointed out online in particular, where, you know, I do this online, but then I do this with, um, people in real life and, and I know that this is one of those topics that will get people riled up and I, you know, nevertheless, I persist, you know, and I just, I boldly go where, you know, angels dare to tread, um, on this one, you know, and so, um, but like, I know that people are going to get mad at it and I could care less that they get mad at it.

Like, I'm going to say it, you know, and I say it as much as I can just to, you know, not because I'm trying to get under their skin, but because I'm trying to help them to see something that like, it's so obvious that they are, um, actively suppressing, you know, as far as this goes.

But then typically the way I do it is I'll, um, I'll say something along the lines of like, strength is a domain of men and beauty is the domain of women. And like, strength is a domain of men, like that's true in terms of like physical strength and mental strength.

Okay. So what courage actually is, is courage is that basically the strength, like mental strength needed to face difficulties or dangers, um, with, you know, confidence and resolution. Right. And so like, that's what courage actually is, is like mental strength.

Right. So men are physically stronger than women, but then like, when you're talking about courage, you're talking about mental strength. And what typically happens is that like, particularly in circles that are more patriarchal, like, um, the ones I'm normally in, uh, like in egalitarian circles, it's like a circus man.

It's just like, uh, like if I were to say that men, like men are stronger than women and men are more courageous than women, they will absolutely like lose their mind in a dumpster fire of offense. Like they will literally light their hair on fire and scream, you know, as if I've uttered absolute blasphemy.

And most of it's like, like in more egalitarian circles, it's, they'll disagree with both, right. Because they can't handle like generalities at all. Like they hate, they love, like they'll point out like the one strong woman who is weak, uh, stronger than like the one weak guy they know.

Uh, but then, and think that they've like proved something, but then in more patriarchal kind of circles, what generally happens is they'll let the men is stronger than women go. But the courage one is the one that like, like gets them really mad.

Like, and they'll get really, really, like really like mad about this. And I think this is kind of like a aspect of internalized feminism that is, um, that I'm like intentionally setting off just to prove a point.

Okay. And so, so the courage thing is like a very hard sell for a lot of people. Like, uh, even people who are more like male and female roles are real. The, like the courage part is really, really hard sell.

And the reason why it gets very obvious why this is a hard sell. It's a hard sell because, I mean, this is what we tell women, like, you know, we're, we're, we're brainwashed in our society to tell women you're strong and courageous, right?

Yeah. Like, that's what we say like over and over and over again, slay queen. You're a strong, powerful African American woman, you know, like you're strong, you're all right. So, but what happens in like more patriarchal kind of circles, like, is that like, they've like, people have learned that like, okay, women are actually the weaker vessel and they accept that.

Right. So they don't fight at that point. Sure. Then this like, uh, courage part is like an aspect of internalized feminism essentially to where like that triggers them because, and they don't even know why, like it triggers them.

They just, they've, they've adopted the assumptions essentially of, uh, feminism and egalitarianism at that point. And they haven't thought through what they're reacting to. And so it feels like utter blasphemy, like when you say that, but then like, as I've said, I mean, there's this one of those obvious, like empirically verifiable, easily verified realities in the world.

Every guy knows the truth of this. Like it is just like, like whether or not a guy's allowed to say it, like most standard red blooded men know exactly the right answer to this question. Uh, and it's just like painfully overwhelmingly obvious.

Uh, and it's an obvious reality that's like impressed upon them almost every day of dwelling with their wife.

Everyday Examples of Male Bravery and Female Fear

I mean, isn't, you know, I remember, um, when a lot of my, when a lot of my friends were getting married, one of the jokes that you kind of always said you're going to include in your, in your vows, you know, was the, the, uh, the girl was, would always joke something about like, you know, you need to promise to take care of me and provide for me and, you know, kill all the spiders for me, you know, and, and they're joking about that.

Right. But then the reason that's a funny joke is because it's rooted in a certain kind of truth, right? Like, so, so like in my house, I actually am, I actually am the one who kills all the spiders, you know, and, and what, or, you know, traps things or whatever, just because like, I'm not going to just absolutely lose my mind when I see it.

Right. So my, yeah, I mean, most women, you know, like you can test this, like empirically, you can empirically verify this and test it just by the presence of a mouse in the house or a roach or something like that, or a bug.

Like one of the first houses that we lived in, um, we, um, me and my wife, um, there's these, um, strange kind of cricket, um, they're kind of like cave crickets or something along those lines. Did you say cave crickets?

I think they're like cave crickets, man, but like they got in the house somehow. And these, um, these things, I mean, they're just, they're ugly looking. They look like spiders, like, but like ugly spiders, like uglier than spiders, but then they like jump towards you.

So I think they're like cave, they're called cave crickets, I think. And they jump towards you because they're trying to get to a dark place and they don't have very good eyesight. And so they actually jump at you really quick.

Right. And so, I mean, my wife was freaked out. Like, like, I mean, it was unsettling, you know, to see a thing barking at this little cricket barking at you and then trying to attack you, you know, but I mean, it, I mean, man, like, um, vast majority of women, like you just see how they react to bugs or mice or, you know, anything in general.

And this is very obvious that men have way more courage than women.

I will say the one thing that, the one thing that still gets me is like, when you have those big cockroaches and then, and then they start flying, that's, that's, that's the, the one where it's like, I have to, I have to, uh, you know, I still have to deal with it because it's here, but like, man, I don't want to, I don't want to deal with that.

That's nasty. But, but at the end of the day, you know, like you still have to, you still have to take care of even the ones that fly, unfortunately, and then just ask yourself later why God ever made something as, as nasty and vile as a flying cockroach.

Jared. Well, this is, this is, I mean, so, you know, like anecdotally, I mean, you can like, you can point out things like this and then there's going to be some smart butt woman who comes along and basically, you know, grew up on a farm or something and said, you know, I, I never personally, I learned to get used to mice and, you know, so therefore I represent the whole entire female gender, right?

Pete. Sure, yeah. Jared. And like, those are just ridiculous women or whatever. But I mean, like, this is not, like, these kind of things are not uncommon. I mean, when I was growing up, we used to work, when I was working at Chick-fil-A, like, most of the men would just try to scare the women, like as a contest, you know?

Like, I mean, I mean, these are young, you were young people at that time, but I mean, like, like, they would come up with, like, complicated rituals, because they knew women's care so easily, right? And so, they would come up, like, at one time, like, there's one girl who was, like, uniquely got scared all the time.

And so, they came up with, like, creative ways to scare her. And so, one time, they climbed into one of the trash cans, right? They took the trash bin out of it, climbed into that, and then they, they convinced her to throw some trash away in there.

And then someone reached their hand out and grabbed her hand from within the the trash can. And I mean, you can imagine, like, just, like, utter terror, screaming, you know, like, standing behind the freezer, you know, like, door, she comes in, you know, like, I mean, it was just a contest, but I mean, like, men just, men intuitively know this.

I mean, every time, like, we live in Alabama and there's tornado season, and, you know, it's not men getting on all the group, me talking about, giving, like, minute-by-minute updates about the tornadoes and things like that.

I mean, the men could care less, right? And would just ignore all of it and, you know, wouldn't even care at all except for the fact that their wives are reminding them about all the bad weather that's happening and everything else.

I mean, I remember, like, being in Bible college and there was literally fires that were, I was in LA and there was fires that were literally a few miles from my house. And, you know, when I was going into my apartment, I could see the helicopters dropping the water, you know, from the fire that was visible from my apartment.

And I was so tired because I was only getting a few hours of sleep that I was like, well, I need to go take a nap, you know? And I had my mom, like, calling me, you know, begging me, like, please, you know, get out of there.

You're going to die. You're going to, it's like, mom, it's going the other way, you know, it's fine. I got to sleep, you know? But, I mean, this is just, like, the general reality that, like, every man knows that women are more prone to fear.

Why Men Are Made for Courage and Women Are Made to Calm Recklessness

Pete Well, I mean, isn't the point in all this, at least partly, that men are designed by God to be courageous and so much so that, you know, we're prone to, you know, being, um, being reckless. Yeah, so, like, the saying, hold my beer, right, is not typically a saying associated with women, right?

Jared The Florida man meme. Pete Yeah, the Florida man meme. You know, it's essentially, those are essentially things that are, while not, you know, positive, typically, they're not normally positive statements or stories that are followed up by those phrases, they are typically associated with men, and there must be a reason for that, right?

Jared. Yeah, I mean, definitely. I mean, so, like, you know, if you want to empirically verify this reality, just watch, just YouTube, go to YouTube and see the stupid kind of things that men do, you know?

Like, there's all the hold my beer memes, there's all the, you know, Florida man stuff. I mean, this is just one of the most easily verifiable realities. Like, it's so easy to verify, like, in so many ways.

I mean, there's so much empirical evidence. I, you know, growing up, we would do some, we used to make backyard wrestling videos, and my mom would not go outside because she was like, she had learned, like, you know, having four boys in her family, that she just would rather not see what happened, right?

I mean, we'd jump off the house onto the trampoline, and you know, that kind of, I of crazy things that we could come up with to do, you know, throwing each other through tables, everything, you know, like all this crazy stuff, you know?

Like, but I mean, like, women don't do these kind of things. Like, women do not make videos of themselves, like jumping over cars.

Pete Do you know what my wife did when she was, you know, a kid through high school? Jared What was that?

Pete They would make up dances. Jared About as courageous as you can.

Pete. And then, you know, my wife, she told me, you know, when I was getting to know her, she told me about that, and how much she loved making dances to the new popular songs or whatever. And I was just like, what?

I don't even understand. Like, I shot my friends with BB guns.

Jared. Well, that's what I mean. Like, so men, like men have been given like an overwhelming abundance of courage. And, you know, like courage really, you know, I think Aristotle talked about like virtues as the mean between two extremes and whether or not this is true.

I mean, I think this is a good way of understanding what courage is. But courage is like the average or whatever the mean is the average between like cowardice on the one hand and foolhardiness on the other hand, right?

And so men have obviously been given a lot of something that women haven't gotten, you know, growing up, I didn't even like, you know, part of it's like related to testosterone, right? So men have like 10 times the testosterone than women.

But I mean, young men think that like, they're idiots, man. Like, you know, I was an idiot. Like, I couldn't conceive of like losing a fight to a bear growing up, you know?

Pete You couldn't even conceive of it? Jared No, man. Pete Because there's not even, you know, a slight chance you might lose. Jared No, man. No, no, David could win. I could win, you know?

Pete. It's right there in the Bible. I don't know what else to tell you. Jared. No, but I mean, it's just like men are just like the glory of young men is their strength, right? And so you like men, they're given a lot of testosterone.

And, you know, I think, you know, one of the things that's happened is like testosterone levels right now are kind of at an all time low in men. And maybe they're like half of what they should be or something like that, which means that like a lot of men are a lot more wimpy than they used to be.

But I mean, like men are just like we men are made to like, you know, face danger. And I mean, like a man, like without the mitigating, like balance of a woman really is going to be prone towards recklessness.

Biblical Examples of Courage, Weakness, and Judgment

Okay, right? Like in almost every conceivable way imaginable. So you have like the weaker vessel who is physically weaker and like doesn't have near the testosterone as a man, right? Like she's living in a world that like looks very different from the kind of world that a man like is looking at, right?

Pete. Yeah. Jared. And so, I mean, I go out in public. I'm not afraid of getting kidnapped. I'm not afraid of getting raped. You know, I'm not afraid of like a van pulling up and hauling me off. And, you know, I don't have to like think about how am I going to walk from the grocery store to my vehicle and I need to have my mace ready or and I hear like the ladies at our church like strategizing about how they leave grocery stores and things like that.

And it's just like these these like discussions are incomprehensible to me. Like I've never once like been afraid like to go hardly anywhere, right? Like particularly by myself, you know, as far as those things are concerned.

But I think men like on their own, they're just like we're prone to being reckless, right? So, I'm like men on their own are going to take a nap when there's a fire a few miles away that is national news.

Pete. At least the ones that can't conceive of losing a fight to a bear, right?

Jared. Yeah, yeah. So, I mean, they're going to do stupid things like that, right? Like they're going to shoot each other with BB guns. Like they're going to I mean, my kids like, you know, my boys, they are they come up with all sorts of creative ways to do the most dangerous thing imaginable.

And then I look at my daughter and she's like, you know, when she really gets some courage going, you know, it's just a very different experience to watch, you know, than my boys. I mean, and mostly she's just like nervous, like, you know, they're just like fearless and she's like, you know, cautious, like much more cautious than them in almost every conceivable way.

But I mean, I think like God's made like imbalances to where like a man on his own is probably just going to get himself blown up, right? And then you put a woman in the mix of that equation and she's going to calm him down a little bit, right?

But she's not going to be able to calm him down totally, right?

Pete. He's going to blow himself up. Jared. You know it's true, man.

You know it's true. Like he's a guy on his own that's just like kind of like

I mean, I have shot Tannerite before, so.

Pete. So, I mean, but it's just so, what I'm trying to say is like this is one of the like anecdotally every guy knows the answer to this question. Like it's just so obvious. Like it's just like this is just one of those things you have to pretend because you're being PC that you don't know.

Like you don't know that your wife is just way more prone to anxiety, way more I mean, like the vast majority of like women today I mean, not the vast majority, but I'm just saying like the vast majority of people on psychotropic drugs like as adults are women, okay?

So, like it's just very imbalanced. Like women are way more prone to anxiety and depression than men. Like these things are just like you can verify this in any way you want to verify it, right? But then when you actually think about like the idea of courage, it's like mental strength necessary to face danger or difficulties with self-confidence and resolution.

Like all you have to do like to verify this is just round up, like get everyone at your church, think of the most dangerous situation imaginable, and then see who will do it. You know what I mean? Like just get a very dangerous situation and you're going to find that the men will do it and the women won't, you know?

Pete. Right, right. Jared. And so, like it's just so easy to verify like this kind of thing. Think of a difficult situation and you know, like you could just compare stories, you know, and most men are going to have like throughout the course of their life much better stories related to this topic than ladies will.

Pete. Well, I mean, I think you see this even in the shooting that happened recently, right? So, you know, this girl pretending to be a guy comes in and shoots a bunch of women and children in a school and who goes to stop her, right?

It's a bunch of men, a bunch of armed police officers who are men run in there, you know, like run towards it.

Jared. Well, so, but see that's a real, like that's real danger, right? Pete. Right, right. Jared. So, you think of something that's like requires like real danger, like real, like objective real, right?

So, like we've watered down this concept of courage so much to where like, you know, basically it can apply to anyone. But like when you think about like real situations, like the one that you're describing that actually require like a person

Pete.

They mean like, hey, I very well may die.

Jared. Right. Who's going to do that on balance of probability? Not the women, right? Pete. Right, right. Jared. So, like now, because you live in a society that's so hostile to generalities, you know, people are going to point out the one situation where, you know, the lady pulls out her gun and shoots the shooter or something and it's just like, yeah, that can happen.

But on balance of probability, you take 100 women, how are they going to perform in the same thing, right? Jared. And you take 100 men, how are they going to perform? And overwhelmingly, it's going to be the men doing the dangerous thing.

And I mean, that's just borne out in the kind of jobs that men do, you know, like women aren't the ones who are climbing up like very tall, you know, they're not the ones running power lines and doing the, you know, doing the dangerous, like working on an oil rig and like, they're not doing that, like, you know, like, because they're not made to.

Pete. Yeah, I mean, I wish I had pulled up the stat. So, I knew it off the top of my head and wasn't just making something up. But I remember seeing at one point, you know, amongst the debate about women not being paid as much as men, one of the statistics that people brought up is, you know, women may, you know, the famous stat about like women making like 73 or 76 of what a man makes.

But then at the same time, it was like, you know, roughly 70 or 80 of men made up all, you know, on job site deaths. Like, overwhelmingly, men are performing the more dangerous jobs. And you see that in how many men versus women are dying on, you know, various, various jobs or careers that they might have.

So, I mean, they're doing the more dangerous jobs and the one, I mean, so, like, so, Pete. And that's right. That's how it should be. Jared. That's right. Yeah. Yeah, that's how it should be. I mean, so, it's, you think about it like together, like, men are made for strength, both both mentally made for strength and physically made for strength.

And like, typically, the kind of jobs that like, I mean, there's all sorts of jobs that have to be done. And a lot of them require strength. And a lot of them require courage. And men are the ones who are doing that, despite the fact that, like, you know, you have the egalitarians trying to make everything equal.

It's just, it's not going to be like men and women are not equal in these in these ways at all. And there's just, like, it's just a massive, massive imbalance. So, it's not even close. Now, I think if things are starting to, like, get closer in our society as it relates to courage, that's a sign of judgment on a society.

But, you know, overwhelmingly, like, just these are men and women are not the same. And this is one of those areas where they're not. Yeah.

Courage in Scripture: Deuteronomy, Isaiah, and 1 Corinthians

So, we talked a lot about, like, sort of anecdotal examples, which are helpful to help us understand who is more courageous, men or women, or is it equal? Do we see this reflected in the Bible as well?

Do we see, like, various passages of Scripture that tell us that men are more courageous than women? Or is this just sort of something that is like, well, you know, maybe right now in the time period that we're in, it's been men, but it could be women in the future at some point, and that's okay.

You know, is there something in the Bible that's telling us, hey, this is a characteristic that has been, you know, much more given to men than to women?

Yeah, I mean, it shows up over and over and over again in ways that people may not expect, you know. But I think in general, most people haven't read the Bible and put any thought into answering this question with the Bible, and so then they may, like, think in their reading, like, they may not be able to think of any passages, but this shows up in a wide variety of ways.

And you're not, it's not just as simple as just look up courage, and every time courage shows up, see where it's labeled. Does that make sense? Jared. So now you can do that, and like, when you do that, one of the things you'll realize is that, like, just look up the word courage and you'll see that most of the time it's like in the context of battle where men are being told, like, be strong and courageous as they're going into the promised land and everything else, right?

So, you know, like Deuteronomy 36, 31 -6, be strong and courageous. Do not fear or be in dread of them, for it is the Lord your God who goes with you. He will not lead you or forsake you. So, then Moses summoned Joshua and said to them, inside of all Israel, be strong and courageous, for you shall go with this people into the land the Lord has sworn.

So, typically, like, this is, like, you look up strong and courageous and you'll see that this is kind of a motivator to men in general. But then, you know, I'll just give you, without just belaboring the point, I wanted to give you just an airtight passage that makes this point just very obviously.

So, like, Isaiah 19 -16 says this, okay? And this is from God. Like, this is a judgment from God, okay? So, it says, in that day the Egyptians will be like women. Okay? I haven't even read it yet. All right, what does it mean to be like women, Harrison?

What do you think it means to be like women? What does it mean? Weak. No, no, like, none of the, none of, all right, frightful. So, in that day the Egyptians will be like women and tremble with fear before the hand that the Lord of hosts shakes over them.

So, God knows. Yeah. God knows. Right. God knows. So, as a sign of judgment on a society, the men will tremble with fear like a woman, like women do, right? So, I mean, women are women, right? Like, women are women.

Like, and women are not made to face danger and difficulty. And they're not. I mean, they're not made to, like, they're not, like, made by God to, like, you take the most difficult, you know, dangerous situation imaginable, women aren't made to face them in the same way that men are.

Whereas, like, you can think of, like, any kind of terrifying, like, world-ending kind of, you know, D-Day, you want men storming the beaches of Normandy, you don't want women storming the beaches of Normandy.

Like, any kind of, like, anything that requires significant courage, you want, like, you're going to want men to do it. Right. In general. Right. And God knows that. God knows how He made women, right?

And He didn't make them to be, you know, Mulan or, you know, brave or whatever. Like, He didn't, Alita battle angel, you know? Pete and Jared laugh. Like, He didn't make them to be courageous and He knows it.

Pete. Right, yeah. And you see that in other places too. Like, I was going to bring up, you know, 1 Corinthians with Paul in chapter 16 where he tells the men to, you know, be, what is it? Let's see. Jared.

Act like men, be strong. Be on the alert, stand firm in the faith, act like men, be strong, right? Pete. Right, right. Jared. And so, he's essentially, you know, he's essentially describing a bunch of, sort of like these defensive kind of characteristics, right?

Like, defend, essentially he's saying, like, defend what is valuable in a certain way. And how do you do that? Well, you have to be on the alert. You have to stand firm in the faith. You have to act like a man.

You have to be strong. And so, and then he, you know, later on in this passage, he also mentions doing everything out of love, right? Which I think is an important thing for us to remember in general.

But, you know, it seems like Paul understands this too. Like, act like men. You know, I think if I were to just go out in public and say to someone, you know, hey, act like a man, they would probably respond, or if a woman was near, they'd probably say, well, what is that supposed to mean?

Because they know what I'm saying.

Jared. Everyone knows, yeah, everyone knows what it means to be a man and what it means to, like, and people throughout church history knew what it meant to be a man. I mean, there's like that famous example of Latimer with Ridley or whatever where he encourages him to play the man as they go and face their martyrdom or whatever.

And I mean, everyone knows what that means. Like, what you mean is someone who has courage, right? Who is not going to fold in the midst of danger in a way that everyone has much greater expectations for how men are going to handle difficult situations than women.

And it's just like not comparable, right? So, like you expect a man to go running into that burning building. You don't expect a woman to go into that, running into that burning building. You expect a man to stop that bank robber.

You don't expect a woman to do that. And it's not, you know, it's not all about just physical strength differences, right? Pete. Right. Jared. There's more to it than that. You expect a man to, you know, tough it.

Pete No, Paul obviously thinks there's more than just that to it because part of the reason that, part of the justification he gives for why men should be pastors and not women is because women are more, he says they're more easily deceived.

Jared Sure. Pete And how does he say that? He says that, you know, it was Eve who was deceived and not Adam. Now, Adam had his problems too, right? But he wasn't deceived, you know, and Eve was. And so, the Bible is obviously painting a picture that women and men are different and it's more than just a simple physical difference.

Jared Right, right. Pete So, okay, so we see how the Bible, you know, we see God is saying they'll be like women and we all know what he's saying, right? Jared We do. Pete Paul is saying act like men and we all know what he's saying there, right?

Jared Right. Pete So, we see in the Bible this is confirmed. Now, okay, you know, we've made a lot of jokes about this and whatever and, you know, I think we've kind of driven the point home that men are at least supposed to be more courageous.

I guess I think you could probably, I meant to say this a little bit earlier, but I think you can probably make an argument right now that, and you kind of, you definitely alluded to this, but I think with where we're at as a society right now, you know, it's not, I think we're getting dangerously close to it not actually being true that the current men of this generation are not significantly more brave.