A Holy God and a Holy People: The Church — Jeremy Strang

I was going to just say the church in Barnesville, but it appears there's more people than from Barnesville here today, including myself and my children. I do want to say thank you. This has been a wonderful time being out here with fellowship, and it's been humbling.

Before we start, I want to pray one more time. Can't pray enough. Father God, I thank you, Jesus. Thank you, Father God, that you are God. I echo the words that Michael said earlier. I need a mighty God who can wrestle this man to the ground and save his soul, pull him from sin and death and the continual sin that seeks to lurk in the still dark areas of my heart that deceive me, Father.

Father, we don't need a man to stand up here and preach. It would be best if you just drove us to our faces today, right now, and then there would be no credit given to any man. This is a true fear for your word.

We just sang and prayed. I hope it was the prayer of every person here. Make us to be a sanctuary. Is that what we want, God? Is that really what we want? Is that what I want? You've got to speak, Father.

We praise you in Jesus' name. Amen. Well, it was a journey coming here. We woke up early and drove for almost 1 ,200 miles, almost straight. Sick kids and kids all cramped up in a little car. It was fun.

We get here, and it was even more fun. I could have talked all night long and stayed awake straight through. Before we actually go to the text, if I even get to it, I'm going to be honest with you. I feel there's something I want to read.

The Church’s Hidden Influence and the Need for Self-Examination

I want to say something. You don't know how the Lord is using you here, church. You have no idea the nations that you're touching. You have no clue. You have no idea. You would think in the back of your mind, well, why would God do such a thing?

God always does such a thing for people who are seeking Him. But even with the people who are seeking Him, sometimes we have to be dealt with. So my question to you today is this. Is there any man in here who knows God so well he can't stand to know Him more?

Is there anybody in here that hates their sins so much that you're not willing to do business with the Lord today? The Lord willing, He'll do business with us today. But He never crushes His people. Oh, it may feel like a crushing.

I wept through the first prayer. I wept through Brian's prayer. I tried not weeping the whole time Michael was speaking. I didn't want him thinking I was crying about what he was saying. But the Lord was actually touching me through what he was saying.

There's a verse I want to start with here. Not the text I was going to start at, but I think it's a place we need to start to remind ourselves of some things today. We're going to go to 1 Peter briefly.

Excuse me, 2 Peter. We're going to go to 1 .19. It's a good reminder before we even start. But I had my plans on what I would like to be and what I thought maybe things would go. And I'm even using some cheat notes here today.

There's some things I do want to say that I don't want to forget. What we don't need is our emotions to start to deceive us and our hearts to deceive us to tell us that our emotions must be what's making us spiritual.

Now, the Spirit of God can move your emotions. We know that the Lord has given us emotions. They can be very good. But we don't want to get off on a tangent and let our emotions deceive us into thinking that that's of the Spirit when it could not be.

So what we need today is we want to start here, I believe. It says,. But then we have something more sure, the prophetic word, to which you do well to pay attention. You do well to pay attention to this.

As to a lamp shining in the dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star rises in your hearts. Knowing this, that no prophecy of Scripture comes from someone's own interpretation. Did you catch that?

No prophecy of Scripture was from someone's own interpretation. For no prophecy was ever produced by the will of man, but men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit. What we don't need is man to speak today.

We don't. Now, over in Jeremiah 17. Some of you know 17 .9, the heart is deceitfully wicked. Back up to Jeremiah 17 .5 for a minute. I'm going to read it direct. I thought I was going to paraphrase, but let's just read that direct.

Because I want us to go into something here a little bit. Maybe ask a few more questions to ourselves before we begin today. Let's really look into the word. Jeremiah 17 .5 It's a good reminder for us all.

It says, Thus says the Lord, Cursed is the man who trusts in what man? Trusts in man. And makes flesh his strength, whose heart turns away from the Lord. The minute we stand upon any ounce of the flesh for our strength, we essentially turn our back on the Lord.

Now, if left to wander, one of two things then becomes resultant. We're either never worth His if He continues to let us go and we never are repentant. Or, He lets us go for a season, a time, and a place and to each man a certain degree.

But then He brings us back. Now, today, what I want us to look at is do we really believe what it says in 2 Timothy? Do we believe the Word of God is all inspired? Do you believe that? I'm going to take we out of it for a moment because I do believe that God wants to speak to every single soul in the building.

And even, yes, the youth. Do you believe that? Now, some are shaking their head yes. Alright. So we say we believe this. What does it say it's good for? Profitable for what? Training? Teaching? Reproof?

So that the man of God may be adequate? And to understand what? The will of God. Alright, so if we say we believe this, let's go somewhere else. What does Jesus say about Himself? What does He say about Himself?

He said I'm the fulfillment of every Old Testament prophecy. I'm the fulfillment of the Psalms and the Prophets. Oh, not a word is going to go away. Not a word. Alright, so do we believe this? We say we believe the Word of God is all inspired Word of God.

Do we believe that? Do we also then believe that God says I do not change? I do not change. I do not waver. I do not vary. Now if we believe these things, how much are we resting in? Trusting in? For all facets of our lives.

Every movement we make. Is it grounded in Christ and in Scripture? Are we raising our children as to what the Bible says? What do I do with my pastime? Does it please the Lord? Well, you know, I went and did that.

Sunday, you know, we spent the hours of coming to church. And we ate. But now it's me time, Lord. I need some down time. I'm tired. My body's weak. Oh, Lord, You understand. You made me. I'm just going to watch this.

I'm just going to do this. Never taking into consideration maybe the thing we're watching, we're doing, we're reading. Youth, what are you doing with your time? Never maybe thinking for a moment. If my Lord, who's physically walked in and sat down beside me in a physical manifestation of Christ.

Would He, what would I do? What would be my response? Would it be quick, turn that off? Because He hates the things that I'm loving. Now, take for a minute. Michael said something. He said it earlier to me this week.

And I'm glad he mentioned today. I don't even have to try to sin. I don't. But here's the thing. God, He's never once, not only did Jesus never once sin, God's never been tempted with sin. That for a moment in eternity, past, present, or future, has sin been alert to Him?

Has it been something He looked at and for a second had to think? Oh, I hate that. No. He hates it. Do we hate our sin? Do we hate our past? Or are there some people, maybe? Maybe someone in here. Maybe me.

It's been much like a lot twice. Didn't heed the things of God. And turned back longing for a past. Longing for a flesh. Longing for something that I should never look back upon. Anyone? He's never done that.

He's aggrieved you. Are you in any sort of sin today? Do you have a grudge against anyone? Let me ask you this. This morning I was in prayer and I didn't feel like I should say it. And I said, Lord, is this sure?

But I will. This is so wonderful to be with so many people and see everybody come forward. And it's wonderful to see how you do communion a little differently than some other places. And I want to share something briefly before we move forward.

Because my wife texted me before we started and she said, I've been up long before praying for you for today. Just stick to the text. I thought, that's a good word. I'm not texting her back. Text her later.

Here's the thing. No matter how you do communion, that doesn't matter. That's the reason. Let me pose a question to you before I move on. It's what I would like to share briefly before we move forward.

Did anyone take communion? Because if you didn't take communion, do you think Brother Brian or any one of the other brothers would look down upon you of why didn't you take it today? What was the reason?

What was the backing? What was the desire? Worship team. Wonderful. See the music. It's always wonderful. Once again, see Michael behind the piano. Why did you do it? Fulfilling a duty? A role? Has it become a burden?

Has it become a burden to do it? Is it a joy? Is it a passionate joy to do it? I remember where I was at the church, I was saved. This was only about three weeks or so before I was saved. Truly saved, converted.

I grew up in the church. And I remember how they did it there was a bit different. It was a Calvary Chapel. If anybody's familiar with the Calvary Chapel movement, it started out close to Mesa, Pastor Chuck Smith anyway.

A small church in Towson, Mexico. And how they did it there was real simple. After the service was complete, the meeting was done, the preaching was over, the last prayer had been said, he said this, those of you that truly want to stay, you're truly born again, you stay.

Have communion. Those of you that are either not right at the moment, you need to do some business with the Lord, or you need to go to a brother, or you're not converted, just go out and wait and have some coffee or whatever, go out, but don't stay here.

This is for the believers. And then he prayed. Now I'll never forget, my girlfriend that was with me at the time, she got up and left. But out of self-righteous piety, out of an unreality, I sat there.

I was not converted. You could say, well, you didn't know what he was doing. Well, I knew everything. And I took communion. I will never, never again take communion like that. God made it very clear, what you're doing, oh yes, it's bread, it's made of product, man, you've made, but why?

Why? You're taking my body upon you, my blood that I shed for you, you're taking that upon you, you're placing my name upon you. Do you know me? Because I don't know you. That's what I got back. I did that because I wanted my girlfriend to think I was right.

And I was not right. Praise God, He saved my soul only a few weeks later. Praise God, within 24 hours, the same way that I was saved, my girlfriend got saved. Praise God, He cut off our relations, He cut off our alcohol, He cut off our drugs, He cut off many things.

Praise God, a year later, I married her. Praise God, so many times, my wife, through her obedience to the Lord, her quiet obedience to the Lord, I have been shoved to my face in the wee hours of the morning.

And to all the women here, there's great encouragement. I believe it's in 1 Peter 3. The first part of the verse has been wrongly used by many a man. But the second part of the verse is a great promise to every woman in here.

If you're married, and you've been crying out for greater holiness for your husband, stay firm, rest in that verse. Lift that up and read that. That's a great promise to women. So with saying some of these things, I think we want to turn to 1 Peter 4, verses 1 and 2.

Christ’s Suffering and the Call to Holy Fellowship

I don't really like making titles for sermons. I think that's a lot of times of man in the flesh. But sometimes it's good for us to wrap our minds around some things. It's the mind of suffering. You say, well, my Jesus doesn't have that.

Oh, He gives me my best life now. Well, if this is your best life now, I'm sorry. It's not mine. And I don't want this to be my best life now. I don't need the arm of the flesh to deceive me anymore. I don't.

I don't need the wickedness of my heart to deceive me. I want to look at some things. So let's read these verses. Now originally what I wanted to do was go into this and then end up where we were going.

It was really going to amazingly build off Brian's message from last Sunday. Now I wasn't here physically, but I heard it. What was it on? Love. By the way, the Holy Spirit, I loved what He said. The Holy Spirit's not going to fall on people who won't pour themselves out for other people.

Anybody in here know people who are going to other churches in the surrounding area? Does anybody know people in those churches? Does anybody know people who go to a church in the surrounding areas where you know the doctrine or the teaching's off?

So since you've been here, what have you done to go back to reach those people you used to sit with? Do you love them? Do you love the own people you're sitting by, sitting behind you, sitting in front of you?

Oh, do you just shake your head yes, oh, I love them, yeah. Oh, but I really have ought against my brother. Do you want the Lord to make you a sanctuary? Is anyone willing to go through the fire? How do you purify gold?

Is it done on ice? Is it done sitting cold? How do you burn the dross out of fire? Anybody want to walk and dance with Jesus as Meshach and Abednego did? Get thrown in the fire. By the way, when they came out, did they even smell?

Now, I used to be a smoker. I know if you light up a cigarette for half a second, you stink like it the rest of the day. And that's just the nature of how smoke works. It gets in and penetrates. There was nothing on these men.

The king looked in and saw four dancing. Who was the fourth? Who was the fourth? Oh, yeah. What happened to the men is thrown in. Even getting near, they were destroyed. You want that? You want that? You want to be sanctified?

You want to be made holy? You want to seek God? One of my most favorite people in all the Bible, I know I can't say this because I love them all. Of course, it's Jesus, but aside from the divinity of God, man, Christ Jesus being made whole, I look at the men and there's one verse that captivates me.

It's in Genesis 5. They're going through the lineup of all the people from Adam to Noah, and all of a sudden you come across this guy. You come across this guy. What is the Bible saying? I want to read this direct to Enoch.

We get to Enoch. Now, if Enoch lived out all his days as everybody else was living all those years, what would have happened to Enoch? So we think. Now, we don't have all of our numbers exact. We can play with the numbers here.

Try to figure it out in math. Of course, some of us are kind of nerdy to do that. Like me. Try to figure it all out. Enoch wouldn't even have survived, would he? What would have happened? He would have died.

But what happened to Enoch? He was removed. Like Elijah. God took him. But what does it say about Enoch? It says, Enoch walked with God. He walked with God. What does that look like? How much do we murmur that it's so hard to walk with God?

We're so burdened. It's like sometimes I myself, along with other Christians, they frustrate me. Because we're constantly so pushed down it seems as if. Like there's no victory. And then when we start talking that way, some of us, when we start having deeper theology, so we think, we start running from it because those group of people over there, they're way off over here.

And they're doing this sort of thing. Oh, but these people, we don't want to be like them either. Oh, the theology is right. Their I's are dotted. Their T's are crossed. But they're dead. So out of fear, we start taking some of the promises of the Bible and we start eradicating from our lives and we shouldn't do that.

We shouldn't do that. What's to say about Enoch? He walked with God. And he was not and God took him. Where was Enoch's prayer meetings? Where was Enoch's fellowship? Where was Enoch's Bible? Where did he get these things?

Where was Enoch's church? Where did he go on a Sunday morning? Okay, Saturday for those of you that want to correct me. He walked with God. Is that what you want? Do you want to be made a sanctuary? Do you want to walk with God?

Well, let's find out. And may only the Lord testify to you today. And no man testify to where you're at in your walk. You don't need man. You don't need your own heart to tell you something. You do not even need affirmation from your heart, nor do you need condemnation from your heart.

You need the Spirit of God Almighty alone. If He doesn't show up, you keep seeking Him until He does. If you can't forgive someone, you keep seeking Him and remembering who you were until He grants the forgiveness for you.

Because he who is forgiven little, forgives little. He who does not know the love of God truly cannot love his brother. So let's go back. Let's get to where we need to look at at least briefly now. I'm not some great exegete.

I am not some great pastor. You guys are so fortunate. That teaching that you have. You are so fortunate. You have no idea. You have no idea. I've traveled this nation, seen so many churches dead, so many people who don't know what fellowship is.

They've never experienced it, but when they do, let me tell you, they find it. And I want to say this, as good as this is in the meeting, of coming together on a Sunday morning in this building, us the church gathering together, I know there's still some people here who have yet to experience the deep fellowship of believers and the deep prayer of believers and that deep oneness.

Being one with God and being shut up to God in an old term. So let's go to... Don't ever take it, by the way, take it for granted. Don't take it for granted what you have. Because what will happen is it will all become commonplace to you and you'll not be thankful for it.

And when you're not thankful, don't be surprised if the Lord doesn't show up. Alright, so 1 Peter 4, verse 1, it says, Since therefore Christ suffered in the flesh, arm yourselves with the same way of thinking so whoever has suffered in the flesh has ceased from sin, so as to live for the rest of the time in the flesh no longer for human passions, but for the will of God.

There's so much here, we can't even begin to get to it all. But let's ask some questions. Did Christ suffer? Did He suffer? Alright, we know He suffered in the flesh, correct? He was persecuted. Physically persecuted.

We know this, right? Now, we know He was suffered and we know He had the crown of thorns. We know these things. Okay? Did He suffer in any other ways? Was He not fully manned? Was He not tried as we were tried?

Was He not given up? Now, He wasn't tempted to where He would fall into temptation, but did not the Spirit of God lead Him into the wilderness to be what? Tempted by the devil. Who led Him there? Who led Him there?

The Spirit of God. We need to be careful sometimes in our talk when we start to rebuke Satan. Sometimes, not always. Sometimes we rebuke Satan when it isn't even Satan. God's saying, you want to walk with Me?

Well, let Me show you the valley. And let Me see if you're going to walk with Me. So Christ, we know He suffered physically. Okay? But it also says in Isaiah 53, chapters 3 -4, chapter 3, verses 3 and 4, it says He's a man of sorrows.

Christ was a man of sorrows. He endured sin. Did He not put up with the sin of man? Did He not endure with it? Oh, how long must I be with you, O faithless generation? How long must I be with you? Did He feel emotions?

Did He weep with Martha and Mary? It says He wept bitterly. Deeply moved. Did He taste death? Did He taste the death? Oh yeah, He walked first. Did He bear the wrath of God? How much more did Christ suffer in ways that we can't even account for while He walked as a man on the earth and the flesh?

Persecution, Sin, and the Spirit’s Work

Now, if you read Peter, throughout Peter, he really is building this up in the terms of persecution. So there's two things I want to look at briefly. One is the persecution. I know that you guys hear about that.

Things are coming. And there's believers going on. It was so great to hear you guys praying for the missionaries and the children for Gospel for Asia and these other places where there are people literally right now, the statistics were, and this was three years ago, that over 400 million people were suffering for the name of Christ and over 250 million of them were suffering severely.

That was four years ago. Five years ago, they estimated, within five years, that was an estimation, that that number will double in the coming days, in the near future. Now, it's very hard to sit here.

We sit in a land. We've been given much. Oh, but we've done little with it. It's hard to not look around and think how can these things be? But that's what Peter's doing. He's bringing up throughout the book, he's bringing them up and he's saying hey, since therefore, now he means look back, but it's also put since, he's about to say something.

He said Christ suffered in the flesh. You're to what? Arm yourselves. This arming is a taking up, a preparation for battle. It's a preparation of getting ready. So, the second part, I don't want to focus today on physical persecution, the persecution that's out there.

We should be praying for our brothers and sisters. We should be feeling deep about them. But, here's the thing. What about the suffering of our own sin? Have you ever felt a suffering for your own sin?

As you walk in the flesh, do you fight your own sin? Or do you just not care? It goes back to some of the questions we previously asked, but why did you come today? What was the motivation of your coming?

Was it to truly, with the people of God, worship the God that we're gathering under? Was it to hear Him? Was it to be sanctified? Was it to be made sanctuary? Was it? Or was it just merely maybe fellowship?

Or catch up? Or perform a duty? Perform a role? Why? Why? Arm yourselves with the same way of thinking. Be transformed by the renewal of your mind. Does it not say that in Romans 12? Paul 1 talks about what is true worship, really, with your body.

And in Romans 2, be transformed by the renewal of your mind. Do you want that? Do you want God to come down in such a way that He gets into your soul and He starts doing business with you? Do you want revival?

You won't get mass revival if you yourself won't allow it to happen in you. And you won't allow it to happen in you because you can then go and say, I really don't want God. God is holy. What does holy mean?

Has anybody really ever thought about that? Holy, holy, holy is the Lord God Almighty. Holy to be cut apart, to be set apart, to be other than. God is not like us, only better. He's not like us at all.

You say, but I was created in His image. Yeah, it's not the other way around. Here's the thing, He's holy, we're not. What does holy mean? It means He's not like us at all. He's totally separate. He cannot be touched by sin.

He is not the same as we are at all. And so, alright, if God is holy, when we start approaching the holy ground, He's going to start to do something. He's either going to cause you one of two things, it can't be three, and the third is the most deceiving, but the third is a reality.

And that is this, you will either run and embrace Him more and more and more, or you will run from Him. And I do believe in this church you won't be able to remain long hidden. God will find you out and find your sin out or you will leave.

And those are the two best options is you repent and come to the Lord and worship Him rightly. And build into the body. The second is definitely not the best, and that is that you leave, prayerfully you get saved, but if you don't, you die.

And the Lord in all His wrath will pour it upon you for the rest of eternity. But the third path that we try to create so often, and this is the most dangerous path, and this is the most biggest danger it could even be to some of us, in this room, not outside here, we're not talking about any other church.

And that is this, the path where we think we're okay, we're right with God, we really don't need to deal with it, that's really not a major sin. The path where we become comfortable. The path where we end up fulfilling the church of Laodicea and being spewed out of the mouth of God and stand before Jesus claiming that we love Him and we know Him.

When we've done these things, we've even casted out demons and performed miracles all to be sent away from Him. Terrifying words. Those are terrifying words to me today. I can stand before you and say a lot of things.

I can even look like I know what I'm saying. I can walk out these doors and God can send me to hell. I'm already under the weight of His judgment. Have you had an encounter with the living Christ for yourself?

Children, have you? As youth grow older, there comes an age and a time in everyone's life we don't know what it is, but God knows your hearts. Have you had an encounter with the living Christ in youth?

Let me say something to you for a second. If you're claiming to be a Christian and you come and do these things, yet you willfully disobey your parents and you know it, do not call yourself a Christian.

Get honest with God. He knows. He knows. Men, how have you treated your wives? Oh, you read the verses, Ephesians, as Christ loved the church. How did Christ love the church? He died for her. What part of the flesh is in that?

What part of the flesh is in that? So arm yourselves with the same way of thinking. So how should we be thinking? Well, how did Christ suffer? Did He stand up and say, yeah, but... ever? Was there ever a reason to put Christ to the cross?

Was there ever a reason? Was there a single, solitary reason that we put Christ to the cross? Can you find one? According to Scripture, we can't. Oh, but what do I do? God, You just don't know what I'm going through.

Oh, really? Was He not tempted in all ways as that we were, but never felt of the temptation because He saw it what it was? It was wicked and it was evil and it was vile. And let me tell you something, there's nothing too small, there's no too smallest thing in God's economy.

There's not like, well, there's a little. That's okay. There's none. What is your opinion of Muslims? Are they people God made with souls? Are they a radical bunch, but because they believe something different, now we have a different mindset?

What do you think of the homosexuals? Is that sin so grievous? Is it much worse than all the other sins? How much you love them and how much you'll go and pour out your life for them is how much you love them and how much you really believe the Word.

Your co-workers? How about each other in this room? Now, I don't know everybody, so that makes saying some of these things a little easier for me because I don't know all the intricacies. I like it like that.

When I start thinking I can figure it all out, I get in trouble. God forbid that. God forbid it. Arm yourselves with the same way of thinking. What is that thinking? What does Romans 8 .13 have to say?

Let's go to Romans 8 .13 for a second. Now, if we said we believe the Bible is the inspired Word of God and we believe that no prophet came up with this stuff on their own, it's inspired, God did it, then I can't find anything there that will truly contradict, can I?

Now, I can make it contradict in my flesh, that simple, because that way I can justify my sin. I can sit there and absorb myself and I can justify myself. But let me tell you something, when you stand before Almighty God on that day, whether it be He comes back and gets us before we see death or we die and we come before Him, let me tell you something, you won't have the chance because there will be no breath in you that will have the ability to speak forth, but it won't be tolerated on that day.

He's got mercy and grace right now. It's here. And by the way, don't forget something, if Adam wouldn't have sinned, you wouldn't have known mercy or grace. There'd be no need of it. There'd be no need of it.

So when you do sin, believer, remember this, there's mercy and grace right now. He doesn't wish that any would perish. Why is He waiting? Why does it feel like, God, You're waiting so long? You think we're the first generation to think He's coming tomorrow?

He's coming soon? No, we aren't the first generation. They thought that when they wrote it. They'll know everything about that day. You don't need to worry about the arguments of eschatology. You're blessed.

You're blessed aloud. You read the words of the book of the prophecy of Revelation. But what does it say if you add to or take away a word? Does your eschatology add a word or take away a word that wasn't even written?

Why do I say that? Because on that day, there'll be no buts. There'll be no buts. Mercy's cut off forever. Grace will be cut off forever for those on the earth. Cut off, there'll be none when He lifts His Spirit, the common grace of God that's here today.

It is out there. It's here. It's everywhere. It's what restrains the people on the planet from being more wicked than they already are. The common grace of God. The common grace of God is what He's given us all.

But to those who are the children of God, He shows, He opens their eyes, He says I poured it out for everyone, but that you would come and receive that. Receive a deeper grace. But what's it say in Romans 8 .13?

It says we need to be armed with this way of thinking. What is part of that armed? Where do we have to be armed? What are some of the ways of thinking we need to be armed with? Let's look at this a second.

For if you live according to the flesh, you will die. Let's stop there a second. Are you in any way that the Lord has made known to you? Living by the flesh. Serving self. Brian talked about love last week.

What was one of the key themes that he pulled out that the Lord showed him in that love? Is it not a sacrificial dying to self? How do you die to self? You don't look at yourself. I've met many men who have met messed up fathers.

Bad. Bad. Messed up fathers. And they swear, I'll never become like my father. I won't do it. Who do they end up looking like? They look like their father. Why? Because they can't get their eyes off their father.

Why? They can't get their eyes on anything else. That's what we need. We need to have our eyes affixed upon Jesus to the degree that we understand that if we live according to the flesh, do you base your life off newspapers and news media?

Do you? Tell me that any of that is of the Spirit of God. Now, can the Spirit use it? He can use it. He can cause you to mourn and to weep over what's going on. If you live according to the flesh, you will die.

But if by the Spirit... Now how? By the Spirit. Can the flesh do what's about to happen? About what He's about to tell us? Can the flesh do it? No. But how? By the Spirit. That's what I love about the Scriptures.

He shows so many men. What are they? Weak, pitiful men. Sinners. Fallen. Would you want David to come here today and train us on a men's camp? Really? Or how about Solomon? Would they be a good leader to lead up our young men?